Isagenix - will it work?
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Ok... I know there have been a few posts about this, and I am very curious as to the results. Firstly, I am no stranger to MLM... I have seen the Good, the Bad and the Ugly. Right now that is secondary to what I want to find out about this product.
To begin with, Since January 1st 2017, I made a decision to loose some weight and become healthy. I went on Atkins and did the treadmill daily. As of April 1st, 2017... I lost 40lbs and feel amazing. About a month ago, I realized that the my home treadmill was not enough. I joined the gym (GoodLife Fitness on March 1st). My routine is muscle building and then some cardio. To increase protein I went to Costco an Bought Protein powder stuff ($60), I also went to GNC and bought some BCAA splash to use during my workouts ($60). So these retail companies are making a profit of of me and there a literally 100's of choices... I was ignorant and needed guidance.
So, at Goodlife I occasionally nodded at a body builder... I mean the guy is huge... He helped me with form and technique on a few machines. I noticed that he was always carrying a bag around with Isagenix... and thus the conversation started. NOW, am I SKEPTICAL... You bet. But this is not your average Joe. He has been body building for 35 years and is Massive. He has done pro wrestling, Professional Arm wrestling and Body building. As an elite athlete, he is very very very aware of what he put in his body. He told me he has been approached by many companies to represent their product (and I believe him), but six years ago he started with isagenix and has not looked back. Is he trying to sell me a line in his MLM... yup... but so what. We chatted about that and Im not interested. However, I did order the 30 day pro pack and he is training me in the gym.
So here is the deal... I am at hovering between 200-222 lbs... I will repost back here in a few days and the end of the month. I will give you an honest answer about my experience. If it slims me down more and helps me tone up... then that would be amazing. I started at 260 and my goal is 190-200 with a nice beach body. I am 48 years old and right now I feel amazing. I go to the gym 3-4 times a week. I realize that I can not take anything and simply do the gym stuff, but with all the research I have been doing I realize that there is a science to how your muscles use nutrients. If you can feed them at the right time, it WILL make a difference. So, I was already willing to give Costco and GNC my money and YES they made a profit. Now I will experiment with Isagenix and see how it goes. My order should come in today or tomorrow. Ill have some reading to do and then I will start. Wish me well, or don't. LOL!
To begin with, Since January 1st 2017, I made a decision to loose some weight and become healthy. I went on Atkins and did the treadmill daily. As of April 1st, 2017... I lost 40lbs and feel amazing. About a month ago, I realized that the my home treadmill was not enough. I joined the gym (GoodLife Fitness on March 1st). My routine is muscle building and then some cardio. To increase protein I went to Costco an Bought Protein powder stuff ($60), I also went to GNC and bought some BCAA splash to use during my workouts ($60). So these retail companies are making a profit of of me and there a literally 100's of choices... I was ignorant and needed guidance.
So, at Goodlife I occasionally nodded at a body builder... I mean the guy is huge... He helped me with form and technique on a few machines. I noticed that he was always carrying a bag around with Isagenix... and thus the conversation started. NOW, am I SKEPTICAL... You bet. But this is not your average Joe. He has been body building for 35 years and is Massive. He has done pro wrestling, Professional Arm wrestling and Body building. As an elite athlete, he is very very very aware of what he put in his body. He told me he has been approached by many companies to represent their product (and I believe him), but six years ago he started with isagenix and has not looked back. Is he trying to sell me a line in his MLM... yup... but so what. We chatted about that and Im not interested. However, I did order the 30 day pro pack and he is training me in the gym.
So here is the deal... I am at hovering between 200-222 lbs... I will repost back here in a few days and the end of the month. I will give you an honest answer about my experience. If it slims me down more and helps me tone up... then that would be amazing. I started at 260 and my goal is 190-200 with a nice beach body. I am 48 years old and right now I feel amazing. I go to the gym 3-4 times a week. I realize that I can not take anything and simply do the gym stuff, but with all the research I have been doing I realize that there is a science to how your muscles use nutrients. If you can feed them at the right time, it WILL make a difference. So, I was already willing to give Costco and GNC my money and YES they made a profit. Now I will experiment with Isagenix and see how it goes. My order should come in today or tomorrow. Ill have some reading to do and then I will start. Wish me well, or don't. LOL!
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Anything that drastically reduces calories will work, the question you should be asking is not if it will work but rather "will it last?"11
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Isagenix isn't special. It will only lead to greater weight loss if it allows you to create a larger caloric deficit. Calories determine weight loss, period. As far as when you eat affecting muscle growth, this is largely overstated. While it is important to have a meal with protein within a reasonable amount of time after training the whole "you must drink a fast acting protein shake within 20 minutes" is completely false and is a myth perpetuated by supplement companies to sell their products. As far as supplements go most of them do not provide results vs. their cost. Diet + training will always be the main driver in results. Protein powders or bars are fine to get in extra protein but think of them more as food then a supplement. Protein powder only "works" inasmuch as chicken breast "works". Bcaas in almost all cases are worthless if you are already getting in adequate protein for the day. Studies that point to their usefulness are almost always conducted on people who do not take in adequate protein. Protein shakes contain bcaas as does meat, dairy, and all other protein sources. Know that if you continue to see results after using the isagenix it's because of your own hard work in the gym + your diet and the shakes just happen to be around for the ride.
I took a look at the 30-day-pack. It seems woefully overpriced for what you get. Cleanse products are worthless. You body has organs that will cleanse all the toxins necessary for survival. I think the Isaflush product is basically just designed to make you poop. The isonix supreme is a fancy vitamin drink. The accelerator is mostly green tea extract, black pepper, and capsaicin. These things will "increase" you metabolism but not in a significant manner calorically speaking. Probably less then the calories in 1 apple. They also add niacin which won't increase your metabolism but will make you feel flush to give the illusion that "it's working". The amped hydrate is very similar to the lower calorie gatorade G2.
I feel like you could have ordered 1 or 2 bulk tubs of protein powder, a simple multivitamin, and purchased some gatorade G2 and gotten about the same thing. Additionally, the extra money you had left could purchase you some creatine, vitamin D, and fish oil, all of which are research proven to be useful supplements. And for the price of the 30 day pack, you probably could have bought 3-4 months worth of the what I mentioned.
The thing about every Isagenix product is that an asterisk appears next to every single claim they make and the asterisk refers to this line of text, "These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease." This essentially means they can make any claim they wish without any real evidence to support the claim.30 -
...So here is the deal... I am at hovering between 200-222 lbs... I will repost back here in a few days and the end of the month. I will give you an honest answer about my experience. If it slims me down more and helps me tone up... then that would be amazing. I started at 260 and my goal is 190-200 with a nice beach body. I am 48 years old and right now I feel amazing. I go to the gym 3-4 times a week. I realize that I can not take anything and simply do the gym stuff, but with all the research I have been doing I realize that there is a science to how your muscles use nutrients. If you can feed them at the right time, it WILL make a difference. So, I was already willing to give Costco and GNC my money and YES they made a profit. Now I will experiment with Isagenix and see how it goes. My order should come in today or tomorrow. Ill have some reading to do and then I will start. Wish me well, or don't. LOL!
The thing is, anything will work if you combine it with a caloric deficit and a decent workout routine. You could mix sawdust and insect parts in a shake daily while hitting your calorie goals and exercising and you would see results. The diet and exercise are what's creating the results, not the 'supplements'.
If he's a competitive bodybuilder, there's a good chance that the "supplements" that really worked for him are the kind you and I can't buy on the open market - the ones that are taken via the needle. But at least you're approaching it with skepticism and some knowledge of what MLMs really are. Good luck.7 -
I agree with Vismal entirely.3
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I've been using Isagenix products for over a year. I love them. I especially like the performance line to help fuel my runs. FYI, the eshots are amazing. My two cents. ;-)2
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Thanks for the replies guys... as for calories... I lost 40 pounds eating a crap load of meat eggs and fat. I ate more calories than I burned and lost weight. So although I 100% agree with the formula (Calories in/out), there is more to loosing weight than just counting calories... I was never hungry on Atkins and sometimes knew I HAD to eat vs wanting to eat. But, the order is in, I will see if there is a difference. As far as cost... I have a pro builder who is going to work with me for several hours a week at no charge (I guess something your average "recruiter" will not do). My take on this is, GoodLife wants to charge me $300 for 6 - 1hr sessions with their trainers. If my end result is that I get 12 hours plus of training from this Pro at no extra charge... I'm ahead of the game.3
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Unless the laws of physics doesn't apply to you, or you lost only water weight, you absolutely did not lose weight eating in a calorie surplus. It's simply not possible.23
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They work as well as GNC or vitamin shoppe or Amazon products.
By all means, do the research on the products and build your own stacks.0 -
Vismal, Im not going to argue with you. I agree about water weight... in fact the first 10lbs is water weight... the next 30 was not. My body switched from burning carbs to burning fat. Im not here to defend the Atkins diet and/or the pro/cons of it. I went from a size 40 pants to 34. I at a 4 eggs every morning, usually some cheese and celery or Atkins bar for lunch and then a 16 oz steak with lots of butter, mushroom and onions and a side salad. My time on the treadmill burned maybe 300 calories. Now if you do the math according to you laws of physics... something is not adding up here. Again, you can convince me that I am imagining my weight loss... but everyone around me is in awe. So the question is... why am I looking to change??? I guess I have been doing some reading and I also want to build muscles. I know carbs are going to be important, in fact I scared shitless to even begin this because my carb intake will go up. But I know building muscles will burn more calories even while Im at rest. So, Vismal, You look like a fit guy and I do value everyones reply but I never ever counted calories on Atkins and ate like a bloody king. Sometimes a whole bloody chicken for dinner.1
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Vismal, Im not going to argue with you. I agree about water weight... in fact the first 10lbs is water weight... the next 30 was not. My body switched from burning carbs to burning fat. Im not here to defend the Atkins diet and/or the pro/cons of it. I went from a size 40 pants to 34. I at a 4 eggs every morning, usually some cheese and celery or Atkins bar for lunch and then a 16 oz steak with lots of butter, mushroom and onions and a side salad. My time on the treadmill burned maybe 300 calories. Now if you do the math according to you laws of physics... something is not adding up here. Again, you can convince me that I am imagining my weight loss... but everyone around me is in awe. So the question is... why am I looking to change??? I guess I have been doing some reading and I also want to build muscles. I know carbs are going to be important, in fact I scared shitless to even begin this because my carb intake will go up. But I know building muscles will burn more calories even while Im at rest. So, Vismal, You look like a fit guy and I do value everyones reply but I never ever counted calories on Atkins and ate like a bloody king. Sometimes a whole bloody chicken for dinner.
If you never counted calories on Atkins (your words), you have no idea how your calories in compared to your calories out.
Even if you're eating things like eggs, cheese, and steak, it's possible to create a calorie deficit. In fact, if someone finds those foods satisfying and satiating, it may be easier for them to create a deficit than someone who is eating foods that don't satisfy their hunger well.13 -
It's not the products that are going to make you slim down and tone up (whatever that is). It's going to be working with a trainer and a calorie deficit. Guaranteed you give the product all the praise for your hard work though. Also did you just sign up today, to ask a question about Isagenix? Oh and also that body builder, pro wrestler super athlete isn't selling you everything he is taking.3
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Thanks for the replies guys... as for calories... I lost 40 pounds eating a crap load of meat eggs and fat. I ate more calories than I burned and lost weight. So although I 100% agree with the formula (Calories in/out), there is more to loosing weight than just counting calories... I was never hungry on Atkins and sometimes knew I HAD to eat vs wanting to eat. But, the order is in, I will see if there is a difference. As far as cost... I have a pro builder who is going to work with me for several hours a week at no charge (I guess something your average "recruiter" will not do). My take on this is, GoodLife wants to charge me $300 for 6 - 1hr sessions with their trainers. If my end result is that I get 12 hours plus of training from this Pro at no extra charge... I'm ahead of the game.
It's just not possible
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If you never counted calories on Atkins (your words), you have no idea how your calories in compared to your calories out.
ANSWER: I ate a Full BBQ Chicken at least 2 times a week (With lots of Mayo). Google says (just the chicken) is 2,484 Calories less 300 on treadmill - IDK 500 for daily movement. Now Lets add calories from 4 Eggs and Cheese and a whole bunch of other stuff... Hmmm No I did not count calories because it works.0 -
If you never counted calories on Atkins (your words), you have no idea how your calories in compared to your calories out.
ANSWER: I ate a Full BBQ Chicken at least 2 times a week (With lots of Mayo). Google says (just the chicken) is 2,484 Calories less 300 on treadmill - IDK 500 for daily movement. Now Lets add calories from 4 Eggs and Cheese and a whole bunch of other stuff... Hmmm No I did not count calories because it works.
300 calories on a treadmill aren't the only calories you're using in a day though. Your body is burning calories all day long, even when you're sleeping. Men can burn a lot of calories just through existing, especially if they start out bigger. And you keep repeating you didn't count calories -- so again, you have no idea what you were actually eating. Studies have shown that people aren't very good at estimating calorie intake.
My daily workout usually burns 200-400 calories. But I eat 2,000 a day and maintain my weight. Why? Because I'm burning energy all the rest of the day, just as you are and were.11 -
It's not the products that are going to make you slim down and tone up (whatever that is). It's going to be working with a trainer and a calorie deficit. Guaranteed you give the product all the praise for your hard work though. Also did you just sign up today, to ask a question about Isagenix? Oh and also that body builder, pro wrestler super athlete isn't selling you everything he is taking.
I ordered my pack 2 days ago... in fact, we never even spoke about a business plan etc... I suspected it was MLM but honestly, I wanted to try the product. Granted, the Body builder guy has been training for 35 years.... so He did not get there based on these products. Maybe he is taking other stuff and not telling anyone... IDK. But he seems genuine enough and if the average joe told me how great this stuff is, I would be weary. But the fact that this dude is huge, tells me he is not going to put crap into his body. Maybe he is... IDK. (Im changing my profile so you see his size). Again, all opinions are welcome... I'm not here to pitch you, I m not here to get you on Atkins, Im here to see if it makes a difference.0 -
If you never counted calories on Atkins (your words), you have no idea how your calories in compared to your calories out.
ANSWER: I ate a Full BBQ Chicken at least 2 times a week (With lots of Mayo). Google says (just the chicken) is 2,484 Calories less 300 on treadmill - IDK 500 for daily movement. Now Lets add calories from 4 Eggs and Cheese and a whole bunch of other stuff... Hmmm No I did not count calories because it works.
Still didn't happen. Not counting calories doesn't = calorie surplus. Unless you weighed those chickens off the bone, a google search isn't going to help you. Seems like you believe what anyone is trying to sell you, but don't believe in yourself enough to give credit for losing weight.
By the way, I was a high school and college athlete, and a pro MMA fighter, can I interest you in some supplements that I know will make you lose 100 pounds in a month? Real cheaper if you take in consideration the magic vitamins from neverland that speed up your metabolism, and burn fat while you sleep by detoxing through your armpits....
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It's not the products that are going to make you slim down and tone up (whatever that is). It's going to be working with a trainer and a calorie deficit. Guaranteed you give the product all the praise for your hard work though. Also did you just sign up today, to ask a question about Isagenix? Oh and also that body builder, pro wrestler super athlete isn't selling you everything he is taking.
I ordered my pack 2 days ago... in fact, we never even spoke about a business plan etc... I suspected it was MLM but honestly, I wanted to try the product. Granted, the Body builder guy has been training for 35 years.... so He did not get there based on these products. Maybe he is taking other stuff and not telling anyone... IDK. But he seems genuine enough and if the average joe told me how great this stuff is, I would be weary. But the fact that this dude is huge, tells me he is not going to put crap into his body. Maybe he is... IDK. (Im changing my profile so you see his size). Again, all opinions are welcome... I'm not here to pitch you, I m not here to get you on Atkins, Im here to see if it makes a difference.
From your first post.
"Is he trying to sell me a line in his MLM... yup... but so what. We chatted about that and Im not interested."
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OP lots of huge fit guys here on mfp and guarantee they did it without isogenix. And eat carbs.
ETA- I hope they come to comment, I like looking at their pics:)12 -
Dude (bagge72), stop being a jerk and mocking me. Im not an idiot and understand calories. All I did was cut our carbs... and ate more than I ever did that made me obese. I am not looking for a miracle solution here. GNC and Costco sell a bunch of overpriced stuff as well. If I meet you and you are as fit as this other dude, Ill listen to what you have to say. Detoxing through my armpits sounds like fun... we could do it with the Protein Filled Beers Im marketing.
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Movement + treadmill is not your total calorie burn. You are forgetting that the majority of calories burnt a day for most people come simply from existing. Breathing, pumping blood, digesting, etc. All those bodily functions burn calories. At 260 lbs with even a sedentary lifestyle and some treadmill work you could easily have been burning 3-4000 calories a day. Trust me when I say that this is not a matter of opinion. You simply cannot lose fat in the long run if you are eating more then you burn. Even if you ate zero carbs and you're body relied 100% on fat for fuel you still can't lose weight in a surplus. If you eat more calories then you burn where is the surplus energy going? If it's not being stored as glycogen (no carbs) it must be stored as fat. The body doesn't simply "waste" energy. It has to be accounted for. Any diet that ever worked did so because of a calorie deficit. He's a useful table to illustrate my point.If you never counted calories on Atkins (your words), you have no idea how your calories in compared to your calories out.
ANSWER: I ate a Full BBQ Chicken at least 2 times a week (With lots of Mayo). Google says (just the chicken) is 2,484 Calories less 300 on treadmill - IDK 500 for daily movement. Now Lets add calories from 4 Eggs and Cheese and a whole bunch of other stuff... Hmmm No I did not count calories because it works.
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The problem I have with this type of woo is that someone who is REALLY struggling and looking for a miracle will read this and believe it because they so badly want to. No one in the history of forever has lost weight in a calorie surplus. Never. I don't care if your body is burning carbs, fat, protein or jet fuel, it aint happening. I fear this is yet another veiled promotion of a load of crap called something that starts with an I.13
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Vismal, I get all that. Somehow my eating habits and O treadmill had me at a size 40 pants and just plain fat and unhealthy. All I Changed was eliminating carbs. I used to have a Bagel with cheese each day, a moderate lunch and a regular dinner. I was fat. I went onto Atkins, Started eating more and only added the treadmill for 300calorie burn, no other additional activities, no other change in my lifestyle and I lost 40 lbs and went down to 34 waist. I know my food consumption before and after January 1st. I can guarantee you that I ate more after January 1st. Now maybe the steaks, chicken, eggs, cheese, fats all contain less calories than the calories in the carbs I cut out. I highly doubt it... but if that the science... hurray for me. Frankly, I could care less about calorie counting. I love food. Now, with this new thing, I think counting calories will be important. I just want enough carbs for the muscles to get what they need and no more.
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Dude (bagge72), stop being a jerk and mocking me. Im not an idiot and understand calories. All I did was cut our carbs... and ate more than I ever did that made me obese. I am not looking for a miracle solution here. GNC and Costco sell a bunch of overpriced stuff as well. If I meet you and you are as fit as this other dude, Ill listen to what you have to say. Detoxing through my armpits sounds like fun... we could do it with the Protein Filled Beers Im marketing.
I'm sorry, but you didn't just cut out carbs and eat way more food to lose weight, it just doesn't work that way. You simply just didn't track your calories even though you ate less than you burned. My self at 265lbs now, there are days that I have easily burned 5,000 calories in a day by walking a lot, and then working out at the gym. So because you ate a whole chicken twice a week with 4 eggs, with cheese and mayo does not mean you ate more than you burned. I don't mean to mock you, but you are literally giving all your hard work and credit to a named diet, and soon to be an overpriced protein powder, which I think is a huge problem on these boards some times. You could go to Wal-Mart, buy a tub of six star or body fortress for little money and get the same result.
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bagge72... I hear you... it worked for me. WHY... because your body switched from what is burns. I was in Ketosis and was burning my body fat. Look, I lost weight, other I know who do not go to the gym have lost weight on low carb diets. Many quit and gain the wight back because of poor eating habits. I get all of that. As for the tubs they sell at walmart... maybe you got a point there. IDK. I am not going to do a study on this comparing all the products out there and how they are. Maybe this whole bloody thing will be a placebo thing in my brain. If I gain a few inches on my chest and loose a few on my waste... hell Im happy because the past few years I was getting more and more unhealthy. So if this is a few $ for a BS Placebo thing and I got a Trainer helping me...yupeeeee! I have no time to build an MLM. I own 2 businesses already and am about to start a 3rd one.
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...But he seems genuine enough and if the average joe told me how great this stuff is, I would be weary. But the fact that this dude is huge, tells me he is not going to put crap into his body. Maybe he is... IDK.
Testosterone enthanate
Winstrol
Deca durabolin
Anavar
Trenbolone
Winstrol
Clenbuterol
2,4-dinitrophenol
"I'll take 'what are things bodybuilders put in their body' for $500, Alex!"12 -
Vismal, I get all that. Somehow my eating habits and O treadmill had me at a size 40 pants and just plain fat and unhealthy. All I Changed was eliminating carbs. I used to have a Bagel with cheese each day, a moderate lunch and a regular dinner. I was fat. I went onto Atkins, Started eating more and only added the treadmill for 300calorie burn, no other additional activities, no other change in my lifestyle and I lost 40 lbs and went down to 34 waist. I know my food consumption before and after January 1st. I can guarantee you that I ate more after January 1st. Now maybe the steaks, chicken, eggs, cheese, fats all contain less calories than the calories in the carbs I cut out. I highly doubt it... but if that the science... hurray for me. Frankly, I could care less about calorie counting. I love food. Now, with this new thing, I think counting calories will be important. I just want enough carbs for the muscles to get what they need and no more.
Bagel with cheese 500 calaories minimum. 8oz of 15% fat ground beef around 430 calories. 8oz chicken 275 calories. 4 large eggs 288 calories.
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bagge72... I hear you... it worked for me. WHY... because your body switched from what is burns. I was in Ketosis and was burning my body fat. Look, I lost weight, other I know who do not go to the gym have lost weight on low carb diets. Many quit and gain the wight back because of poor eating habits. I get all of that. As for the tubs they sell at walmart... maybe you got a point there. IDK. I am not going to do a study on this comparing all the products out there and how they are. Maybe this whole bloody thing will be a placebo thing in my brain. If I gain a few inches on my chest and loose a few on my waste... hell Im happy because the past few years I was getting more and more unhealthy. So if this is a few $ for a BS Placebo thing and I got a Trainer helping me...yupeeeee! I have no time to build an MLM. I own 2 businesses already and am about to start a 3rd one.
What worked for you is a calorie deficit. You body burns fat for fuel whether you are in ketosis or not as long as you are in a calorie deficit. You think I'm ganging up on you, but it really is to keep other people from reading this and thinking it can happen.
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Vismal, I get all that. Somehow my eating habits and O treadmill had me at a size 40 pants and just plain fat and unhealthy. All I Changed was eliminating carbs. I used to have a Bagel with cheese each day, a moderate lunch and a regular dinner. I was fat. I went onto Atkins, Started eating more and only added the treadmill for 300calorie burn, no other additional activities, no other change in my lifestyle and I lost 40 lbs and went down to 34 waist. I know my food consumption before and after January 1st. I can guarantee you that I ate more after January 1st. Now maybe the steaks, chicken, eggs, cheese, fats all contain less calories than the calories in the carbs I cut out. I highly doubt it... but if that the science... hurray for me. Frankly, I could care less about calorie counting. I love food. Now, with this new thing, I think counting calories will be important. I just want enough carbs for the muscles to get what they need and no more.
You may have eaten more stuff...but that doesn't mean you ate more calories. It's really that simple. When you do Atkins you're burning fast because you are eating at a deficit. Period. Energy balance is not a law you can violate even if you wanted to.5 -
trust me I did not eat just 8oz of chicken..... and my steaks were 16 oz or more with lots of butter. I also did not cut out the cheese. I ate more.
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