Isagenix - will it work?
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Your body doesn't "switch" from burning carbs to burning fat. Everyone's body can convert any of the macronutrients into glucose if necessary. In the end, your body will only "burn" glucose to make cellular energy, but how it gets there is flexible.
Can you explain KETOSIS TO ME? Please do some research before posting an opinion. What you claim is 100% inaccurate.
I can happily explain ketosis to you. Its the process by which your liver produces ketone bodies from fatty acids when insufficient glucose is available to fuel cellular respiration, but fatty acids are available.
Under these conditions the ketone bodies are converted to acetyl-coA, instead of the glucose being converted to Acetyl CoA, as it would be if it were available.
After that ATP generation basically takes place in the same way.
You can use fat for energy. You can even use protein. You can, however, never lose weight unless you are taking in less caloric energy than you are burning. Because if you eating more calories than you are burning, then the fat stored in your fat cells will never be released and made available to your liver to be turned into ketone bodies and used to generate ATP.
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Vismal, Im not going to argue with you. I agree about water weight... in fact the first 10lbs is water weight... the next 30 was not. My body switched from burning carbs to burning fat. Im not here to defend the Atkins diet and/or the pro/cons of it. I went from a size 40 pants to 34. I at a 4 eggs every morning, usually some cheese and celery or Atkins bar for lunch and then a 16 oz steak with lots of butter, mushroom and onions and a side salad. My time on the treadmill burned maybe 300 calories. Now if you do the math according to you laws of physics... something is not adding up here. Again, you can convince me that I am imagining my weight loss... but everyone around me is in awe. So the question is... why am I looking to change??? I guess I have been doing some reading and I also want to build muscles. I know carbs are going to be important, in fact I scared shitless to even begin this because my carb intake will go up. But I know building muscles will burn more calories even while Im at rest. So, Vismal, You look like a fit guy and I do value everyones reply but I never ever counted calories on Atkins and ate like a bloody king. Sometimes a whole bloody chicken for dinner.
were you logging every calorie that you consumed and using a food scale?
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anyone want to wager? you can hire someone to follow me around and we can put your claims to the test. I loose, I pay you back double of what you spent on this little test. LOL.
There is actually a show all about this call secret eaters!!! They eat like triple what they were reporting and couldn't figure out why they weren't losing
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anyone want to wager? you can hire someone to follow me around and we can put your claims to the test. I loose, I pay you back double of what you spent on this little test. LOL.
I think you need to show this thread to your body builder friend. Maybe that will help you understand. Don't tell him about it, show him. I can imagine you trying to explain it to him...
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The Isagenix people in my area are crazy-it's like a cult. Multi level marketing for a glorified Slim Fast. No thanks.4
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We aren't making claims. We're stating scientific truths, specifically the laws of thermodynamics. You are the one making claims and they go against a law of physics. It's akin to arguing that gravity specifically affects you differently than everyone else and saying "trust me" as your evidence.anyone want to wager? you can hire someone to follow me around and we can put your claims to the test. I loose, I pay you back double of what you spent on this little test. LOL.
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OP - simple question and I mean this with all due respect. If you supposedly lost weight be eating more calories than you burnt, then how did you gain weight in the first place?7
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this. this right here is very exciting and entertaining. and informative. thanks to all.3 -
Looks like I wasted time defending a diet that worked for me. You guys are all smarter than me. I ate less than I did before, Im wrong, I have no clue what Im doing, you are are all brilliant diaticians and need to go on TED talk tours promoting your ideas... the hell do I know.... LOL
You are so on the defensive that you aren't even understanding what's being said to you. Of course you lost weight on your diet, many have. But your body does not go against science, you do not lose weight with an excess of calories. That's science. You don't weigh or measure your food, so you just don't know how much calorically you are consuming....but your body does, and if you've lost weight that means you have taken in fewer calories than you have expended. That's just how it works. That's science.
Alan Aragon
James Krieger
Dr. Spencer Nadolsky
Dr. Layne Norton
Dr. Bret Contreras
These guys are legit researchers, scientists & doctors of nutrition and sports science. Reputable, science-based, no BS. There are many more, but you can start with them to do *your research.
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Isagenix works - by creating a calorie deficit. It also works (like most other fads) to flatten your wallet. Healthy eating at your appropriate calorie level (lose weight, maintain, gain), is the best, long-term solution. Note - I've lost over 120 lbs with healthy eating, in the middle I tried Isagenix. It didn't speed anything up, didn't make me healthier, just emptied my bank account.4
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The funny part about all of this, is you keep asking people to do research, but won't do any on your own.8
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quiksylver296 wrote: »
so how do people eat carbs and lose weight then..???1 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »
so how do people eat carbs and lose weight then..???
Magic. We're wizards.
That...or CICO5 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »
so how do people eat carbs and lose weight then..???
i'm pretty sure any variation of the question "how do people XXXX XXXXX XXXXX and lose weight?" is answered, many times, in this thread.
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This is totally my favorite thread of the day. Science, sarcasm, and wizards.
you guys. 3 -
I like their protein powder- only one I've tried that had staying power for me.
It's like anything- you get out of it, what ya put in.0 -
overall, carb wizard was a disappointing google image search
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I have multiple friends who use/sell the Isagenix products. One of my girlfriends and her husband made over 60K last year selling their products!! In the end I could not bring myself to buy a product that costs $50/week to use the way it's intended. What ingredients do the Isagenix shakes have that others don't have that is making you spend this kind of dough??0
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http://www.livestrong.com/article/510136-can-you-burn-fat-without-being-in-ketosis/
READ THIS AND DO SOME RESEARCH.... You can burn Fat by being CALORIE Deficient YES!!!!.... BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT YOU CAN ALSO BURN FAT BY NOT BEING CALORIE DEFICIENT.
IF YOU DONT BELIVE THIS I REALLY DON'T CARE!!!!
There's nothing on that page that suggests you can lose weight without a deficit. You seem to be confusing burning fat with losing weight. Of course if all you do is eat fat, your body will be burning fat you eat for energy. Your body has two sources of energy 1. calories you eat 2. calories you have stored as glycogen and fat. The question is are you giving your body enough energy to function, regardless of the type of energy, when you eat? If you don't give it what it needs, it will turn to the second source which is stored fat. If you give it too much, it will store the excess as fat for the future. As everyone has said here, you need to restrict #1 so that your body must get some of it's energy requirements from #2, causing you to get smaller.
Hopefully you understand this at some point or at least don't make others more confused.
Good luck.1 -
All the people I personally know that sell MLM nutritional products have a considerable amount of weight to lose. Personally not a good recommendation.1
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Maybe he's slipping his client's dnp.1
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Ketosis still requires a calorie deficit to burn fat..... THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. Please do some Research on this.
Lol. Wrong.
I've done keto/low carb. I was recommended by my Dietitian to experiment with it. If I ate over my maintenance, guess what?
I. Gained. Weight.
I'm sorry, but unless you're an alien, you are not exempt from the laws of physics. This quote here is often spouted on LC blogs by those who do not understand how science and the human body work.
Go tell Lyle McDonald what you posted. I'm sure he'll set you straight.2 -
How is anyone arguing that you can eat over maintenance and lose fat? These are the people that will be making posts like "Starting over, 100lbs to lose" in 6 months no doubt. My mind is legitimately blown at the willful ignorance.0
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You may be able to INITIALLY offset any scale measured weight gain as you put on .5lb of fat at the same time you deplete 2lbs of water and glycogen stores but that's about it. Eating in a surplus = fat gain whether or not the scale deceived you for a week or two. Sorry m80
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If you will lose weight eating over maintenance if you're low carb/keto, how do low carb/keto people ever maintain? Or will they just waste away to nothing unless they start eating carbs? Would a person who had no access to carbs starve, despite eating all they want of protein and fat?1
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cerise_noir wrote: »Ketosis still requires a calorie deficit to burn fat..... THIS IS ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. Please do some Research on this.
Lol. Wrong.
I've done keto/low carb. I was recommended by my Dietitian to experiment with it. If I ate over my maintenance, guess what?
I. Gained. Weight.
I'm sorry, but unless you're an alien, you are not exempt from the laws of physics. This quote here is often spouted on LC blogs by those who do not understand how science and the human body work.
Go tell Lyle McDonald what you posted. I'm sure he'll set you straight.
If only. Oh, if only.
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OP, i'd recommend you take a look at some of Kevin Hall's work. He has already done isocaloric comparison where protein has been held constant comparing high sugar/high carb vs ketogenic diets.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10436946/are-all-calories-equal-part-2-kevins-halls-new-study#latest
The problem is, too many new people to keto diets hear fat burning and assume it's body fat. But what you have to realize, is you are taking in more fat, so you increase storage of that fat. And if you aren't an endurance athlete, the substrate you utilize is not going to matter.
And as already stated, your body can convert all nutrients into glucose through glucenogenesis.1 -
I gained weight on a low-carb diet back in the day before MFP.... ate coconut oil off a spoon (you know, to go with the ACV LOL and together they would turn me into a fat burning machine *eyeroll*). Wondered why I didn't lose weight. I was eating under 30g carbs per day, still gained weight. It all boils down to CICO.
Here is the nutritional value for Isalean, nothing in here that would make you magically lose weight?
https://www.isagenix.com/~/media/3ebe371d5b0f4e589370538df1cf5069
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