April 2017 Running Challenge
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@JessicaMcB - I wear whatever has been best for me in training. I like having a few different training outfits. Not sure if that helps...
@ctlaws44 - Like @MobyCarp I like having 3 of my favorites in rotation. That meant I always had 3 pair of Brooks Glycerin, then I tried some Brooks Ghosts and found I liked them better. Yes, I currently gave 3 of each kind in rotation.
I'll also buy a new model version of shoes to test them before adding them into rotation. Like @MNLittleFinn said, having different types of shoes is good, not only to work other muscles, but you may also find something you prefer. I have road shoes and trail shoes, with varying drops from 4mm to 12mm. I want to start working on some zero drop, minimalist, and barefoot shoes later this year, but I want to wear through my higher drop shoes first, hoping to gradually switch on perhaps a more permanent basis. 0 -
autumnblade75 wrote: »I also played a bit more with the settings on the Garmin Connect site. I can't figure out if it isn't meant to add activity calories or if there's still just a checkbox that I haven't noticed. But they're definitely selling the Vivosmart line as activity trackers, so I feel a little bit cheated that only yesterday's run added anything, and after deleting the additional activity (sent by RunKeeper, where I had to delete a second copy of the run as sent by Zombies, Run!) I was only working with 2100 calories, as opposed to a similar day with the Fitbit, which would be 2800. But even with my substandard degree of compliance, that ought to make the weight loss actually happen, right? Feels like too much of a jump, to me.
@autumnblade75 Not sure if you're talking about what I think you're talking about, but I find Garmin to be rubbish at letting you count calories.
Garmin gives you barely any calories for exercise earned through walking. Fitbit was amazingly accurate for walking and running.
I've asked and asked about this all over the web. Basically, no-one has a reason.
I'm currently experimenting with having my MFP Activity Level set to Very Active (since I do at least 17,000 steps a day).
I find my Garmin overestimating my calorie burn yesterday DH and I ran together and our calorie burn was 20-30 calories apart. Hes 185 vs me about 125. We still burn 800 calories for a 77 minute run. I don't buy it.
There's probably something I need to adjust in the settings.
Did you compare heart rates? His could have been lower than yours.0 -
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Speaking of shoes, I've been running such low mileage for months now that sadly it's taken me months to start connecting the dots.... but I think I've had this dull ache in my shins ever since I retired my Ghost 7 and Pegasus 31 and began primarily wearing the Launch 2. It's never developed into full blown shin splints but it's always nagging and worrying me. I have 200 miles on them now.
Also realized the other day that every time i have horrible calf pain while running, I'm wearing the Pure Flow 4. Only about 50 miles on those. They're lower drop shoes. I really like them though and hope to transition to them and maybe start putting more miles on those and slowly put another 100 miles on the Launch 2 if I can.
Other than that i have the Ghost 8 which I've only worn maybe 3 times but they're even higher drop which will probably make it harder to transition to the Pure Flows. Argh. I don't know what I want to do. I just feel like I've been so much more sore and achey in the Launch 2 despite low mileage.
I bought all three of these shoes last summer so I haven't really bought shoes in a long time. I just waited a long time to wear them.1 -
autumnblade75 wrote: »I also played a bit more with the settings on the Garmin Connect site. I can't figure out if it isn't meant to add activity calories or if there's still just a checkbox that I haven't noticed. But they're definitely selling the Vivosmart line as activity trackers, so I feel a little bit cheated that only yesterday's run added anything, and after deleting the additional activity (sent by RunKeeper, where I had to delete a second copy of the run as sent by Zombies, Run!) I was only working with 2100 calories, as opposed to a similar day with the Fitbit, which would be 2800. But even with my substandard degree of compliance, that ought to make the weight loss actually happen, right? Feels like too much of a jump, to me.
@autumnblade75 Not sure if you're talking about what I think you're talking about, but I find Garmin to be rubbish at letting you count calories.
Garmin gives you barely any calories for exercise earned through walking. Fitbit was amazingly accurate for walking and running.
I've asked and asked about this all over the web. Basically, no-one has a reason.
I'm currently experimenting with having my MFP Activity Level set to Very Active (since I do at least 17,000 steps a day).
I find my Garmin overestimating my calorie burn yesterday DH and I ran together and our calorie burn was 20-30 calories apart. Hes 185 vs me about 125. We still burn 800 calories for a 77 minute run. I don't buy it.
There's probably something I need to adjust in the settings.
Did you compare heart rates? His could have been lower than yours.
I did compare. His was very similar to mine. His was158 average and 187 high 11:48 average pace, while mine was 163 avg 180 high, 12:03 average pace. He literally ran circles around me several times.
I changed my activity setting back up, I figured a higher activity level may be a lower burn if you're "conditioned". Which I'm not, but maybe it'll help with a better calculation. I just put a fudge in mfp so I don't eat it back.
ETA- I don't think HR is used in the calorie expenditure calculation anyway.. unless something changed or I missed something.1 -
Did 6.29 miles - 2nd time with the new shoes that should work better. Apparently, I've gotten out of shape as feared from slowing down due to this knee issue. Garmin estimated recovery time at 3.5 days. I've never seen it that long before.
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April 1- 42.2
April 2- 7.6
April 3- 14
April 4- 13.4
April 5- Off
April 6- 10
April 7- 15.8
April 8- Off
April 9- 9.5
April 10- 15.5
April 11- 11.1
April 12- 7.3
April 13- Off
April 14- 15.7
April 15- 19.1
April 16- 7.4
April 17- 15.2
April 18- 19.1
April 19- Off
April 20- 15 (TM)
April 21- 15 (TM)
April 22- 10 Earth Day 5K Virtual- 27:15
April 23- 8.6 (TM)
271.5 km/300 km
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@MNLittleFinn Were the ones how had a lot more milage on Strava your "default" shoes? Because Strava always defaults to one pair of shoes if you don't correct the entry manually; that's why I use runningahead to strack my shoe milage - there the equipment field is empty by default, so if I forgot to select the shoe, it's obvious.
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24/04 - 3 mile Interval, Arms & Core - short workout before flying off to Germany for the week. Hotel has a Smellness Centre - so that means a lot of outdoor running, which does not coincide well with my Taper week ... oh well, we'll see - T-7
Completed
• 11/03 - 10K Run The Solar System (thanks for the tip) - 52:01
• 12/03 - TM Half Marathon (plugged in the MK HM route - attempt 1 ) - 1:54:02
• 25/03 - TM Half Marathon (plugged in the MK HM route - attempt 2 ) - 1:53:53
• 15/04 - TM Easter Bunny support run (plugged in the MK HM route - attempt 2 ) - 1:59:03
Coming up:
• 01/05 - Milton Keynes HM
• 18/06 - Run-Bedford-Run - 10K
• 02/09 - Bedford HM
• 24/09 - Windsor HM
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Mostly walked this week other than sprints I did with my dogs, .5 mile a day combined. Very sore from strength workouts, feeling good again after a couple days of rest from strength, ready for a big run (big for me) of 3 miles today to see where I am at for a 5k.
Hope everyone has a great week, happy Monday.5 -
@ctlaws44 - I might also add that I'm trying to be quick to interpret twinges as a reason to retire shoes. Retiring shoes earlier than I need to is cheaper than keeping them too long and paying for physical therapy.JessicaMcB wrote: »As someone who has owned both the Guide 10 and the Kinvara I personally find the Guide to be the superior shoe for my serious overpronation on roads (Nomad TR beats them both on trail for obvious reasons). The Kinvara is very neutral so if you are more than moderately overpronated prepare to potentially roll in hard- I do every.single.day. #thestruggle
@MobyCarp Good point about maybe the shoe causing some pain and injuries. This is probably also a good reason to have different pairs of shoes to diagnose if it's the shoe causing pain or injury. Thank you!
@JessicaMcB Thank you for the comparison between the Guide's and Kinvara's. I have a slight pronation according to my local running store's analysis.
I hope everyone has a great morning! Rain and 60's here. I plan on doing hills later with my running group.
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4/1- 15.23
4/2- 3.14
4/3- 7.07
4/4- 3.69
4/5- 9
3/6- REST
4/7- 5.12
4/8- 17.58
4/9- 4.05
4/10- 7.13
4/11- 3.79
4/12- 9
4/13- REST
4/14- 17
4/15- 5.11
4/16- 4.06
4/17- 5.71
4/18- REST
4/19- 7.14
4/20- REST
4/21- 3.69
4/22- 15
4/23- 3.15
4/24- 8.1
Total: 153.76
Monthly Goal: Stay "healthy" and get in good marathon training
Nominal Mileage goal: 191 miles.
Today's notes: Today's assignment was 8 miles a E pace. I ended up with 8.1, but that's just because I set it so I could walk a little for cool down on the way back home. Run felt good. Ran it at 9:33 pace, and my average HR was 156, so a tiny bit high but not bad. This was the first run of a 50 mile week for me. I'm a little excited/nrvous about it, I'll set a weekly mileage PR and a long run distance PR this week.
2017 Races
6/16- William A Irvin 5k
6/17- Grandma's Marathon (Full!)
8/19- Rampage at the Ridge 5k OCR
9/23- Ely Marathon (full)
10/21 Wild Duluth 50k<- yeah, I'm crazy enough to go for it
11/23- TBD 5k Turkey Trot2 -
I just realized we're in the last week of April. May starts a week from today! EEK2
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Date Miles today - Miles for April
4/1 20 miles - 20
4/2 10 miles - 30
4/3 REST DAY
4/4 10 miles - 40
4/4 4 miles - 44 << Daily Double
4/5 6.2 miles - 50.2
4/6 6.2 miles - 56.4
4/6 4 miles - 60.4 << Daily Double
4/7 REST DAY
4/8 16 miles - 76.4
4/9 REST DAY
4/10 7 miles - 83.4
4/11 7.5 miles - 90.9
4/12 REST DAY
4/13 8 miles - 98.9
4/14 5 miles - 103.9
4/15 14.5 miles - 118.4
4/16 REST DAY
4/17 6.2 miles - 124.6
4/18 5.5 miles - 130.1
4/19 5 miles - 135.1
4/20 5.5 miles - 140.6
4/21 4 miles - 144.6
4/22 12 miles - 156.6
4/23 REST DAY
4/24 4 miles - 160.6
Upcoming races:
UAH 8K - 3/6 <<< 34:33 3 in AG
Oak Barrel HM - 4/2 <<<< 1:38:00 3 in AG
Bridge Street HM - 4/10 <<< 1:36:33 3 in AG
PEO-AVN Team Day 5K - 5/4 <<< 19:10 (2.9 mi) 1 in AG 5 OA
Cotton Row Run 10K - 5/30 << 44:57 PR
Firecracker Chase 10.2 miler 6/25 << 1:20:22 1 in AG & 15 OA
Huntsville Half Marathon - 11/12 << 1:35:55 2 in AG & 25 OA
Rocket City Marathon - 12/10 << 3:44:41
Elkmont Hound Dog Half (unofficial) - 1/21 << 1:46:48 2 OA
Elkmont Hound Dog Half (rescheduled) - 2/18 << 1:41:04 1 in AG & 24 OA
Kentucky Derby Festival Marathon - 4/29
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4/1 - 7.7 miles in sunny San Diego
4/2 - Travel day
4/3 - Rest day
4/4 - 5 comfortable miles.
4/5 - 4.4 miles.
4/6 - 5.05 miles.
4/7 - Unplanned rest day.
4/8 - 6.31 super hilly miles.
4/9 - Too many hills :-(
4/10 - 5 miles.
4/11 - 4.93 miles of track/speed work. Then upper body weights.
4/12 - 4.5 miles.
4/13 - 4.9 miles. Some hip soreness that I am going to have to keep an eye on.
4/14 - Unplanned rest day / life day / holiday prep.
4/15 - 9 mile group run. Hip not perfect, but improved.
4/16 - 5 miles. Ugh...too much buffet.
4/17 - Planned rest day.
4/18 - 4 miles of track/speed work. Then upper body weights.
4/19 - 5 miles.
4/20 - 5.1 treadmill miles. Trek class. Humid at the Y today!!
4/21 - 4.20 miles in honor of yesterday's "holiday"
4/22 - 10.2 mile group run.
4/23 - Rest day.
4/24 - 5 miles.
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Nice tapering @Stoshew71 only 5 days to go! you're doing great!1
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Heart rate zones and max heart rate will also play into things...two people could do the same run and both have a HR of 140, but if one person has a max HR of 150, and the other has a max HR of 200, then they're running in entirely different zones with entirely different levels of effort.I did compare. His was very similar to mine. His was158 average and 187 high 11:48 average pace, while mine was 163 avg 180 high, 12:03 average pace. He literally ran circles around me several times.
I changed my activity setting back up, I figured a higher activity level may be a lower burn if you're "conditioned". Which I'm not, but maybe it'll help with a better calculation. I just put a fudge in mfp so I don't eat it back.
ETA- I don't think HR is used in the calorie expenditure calculation anyway.. unless something changed or I missed something.
My run this morning was with the group rather than the usual longer solo run I would normally do on a Monday. I have an annual checkup with my doctor later this morning in order to get the biological equivalent of a car inspection sticker, and as I need to be fasted for the appointment, the plan was to run easy so that I won't be starving later. It was a good plan, but I got to the meetup point after a few warm-up miles only to find that a) the group would be running 30 minutes late, and b) only the two faster runners would be making it. So I got to run for an additional 30 minutes, and then run faster than planned for an hour. No biggie, except my appointment means I can't eat yet; not for at least another couple of hours anyway. And I'm really rather hungry right now.
03 - 13.37
04 - 9.59
05 - 13.39
06 - 10.75
07 - 13.36
10 - 10.73
11 - 9.27
12 - 8.16
13 - 8.89
14 - 2.33
15 - 13.14
18 - 11.37
19 - 13.51
20 - 8.89
21 - 5.46
24 - 12.95
Total: 165.16 / 175 miles2 -
Heart rate zones and max heart rate will also play into things...two people could do the same run and both have a HR of 140, but if one person has a max HR of 150, and the other has a max HR of 200, then they're running in entirely different zones with entirely different levels of effort.I did compare. His was very similar to mine. His was158 average and 187 high 11:48 average pace, while mine was 163 avg 180 high, 12:03 average pace. He literally ran circles around me several times.
I changed my activity setting back up, I figured a higher activity level may be a lower burn if you're "conditioned". Which I'm not, but maybe it'll help with a better calculation. I just put a fudge in mfp so I don't eat it back.
ETA- I don't think HR is used in the calorie expenditure calculation anyway.. unless something changed or I missed something.
That seems intuitive, but Garmin says:
"...The Garmin fitness device uses this (activity class) information along with gender, age, weight, height, and lifetime athlete settings in order to calculate the calories burned during a given activity...."
No mention of HR.0 -
Starting once again with working out before work. Figured this was my first day back since completing the outpatient program so I'd turn over a new leaf, so to speak.
Had very little issue waking up early. Good start. Got out and walked 3.55 miles in just under an hour. I may have jogged 0.25 of a mile just so I could get home in time to shower and do the things I have to do.
It was chilly out, but not terrible. My hip gave me very little discomfort. Very encouraging.
Tomorrow is more intervals.5 -
WhatMeRunning wrote: »One thing I have noticed in my training, and can't say it works for all, is when I do a steady build over 3 weeks to new mileage compared to just running my new target mileage for 3 weeks is that I feel better at the end of that 3 week period when I do the target mileage over the 3 week period than when I steadily build. I have a theory why, but it's just my observation. The first week is the most tiring, but your cardio adapts and by the 3rd week it is easier than the 3rd week of a slow build, as each week building up you have to adapt again. I think your strength gains are better off also as you get 3 weeks at that effort as opposed to 2 lower weeks and one at target.
This in no way means it is for all. But I have experienced it and for whatever value tools like Sport Tracks provide that show your fitness adaptations and fatigue, the results on those tools seem to back it up.
The trick is to know how to build up the right amount and not just jump into too high of mileage that the first week at new mileage is more harm than good.
Of course, much is to be said with going with what you know will work and you are comfortable with. I know I'm comfortable with my plans and have seen them work, but what works for one may not work for others.
Just thought I would put that out there because I'm not sure it has been discussed here before, and I have found it pretty interesting. I'm not saying it's right, just thought I would solicit others opinions.
This is actually the method that Jack Daniels suggests for increasing mileage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnEI8MPVOas 3
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