Why is bread the enemy?
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I used to eat bread. After surgery it feels like it expands in my pouch. Icky feeling. I hardly eat bread and when I do, I toast it.0
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ladypoohbear1 wrote: »I used to eat bread. After surgery it feels like it expands in my pouch. Icky feeling. I hardly eat bread and when I do, I toast it.
I love bread so much I worked very hard to find the textures my pouch would tolerate. I toast mine too. Rough breads like the ryes are tolerated well too.
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As a low carb eater, I rarely eat bread. Many low carb folks don't eat any bread, ever.
https://authoritynutrition.com/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets/
Many health professionals now believe that a low-carb diet (higher in fat and protein) is a much better option to treat obesity and other chronic, Western diseases.
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thewindandthework wrote: »I know that there are a lot of people who eat low carb, and I understand the various reasons for that, though I don't eat that way myself.
But I feel like I'm always seeing people avoiding bread specifically without limiting other carbs or food made from processed grains. What's the reason for this? Why do so many people view bread as adversarial to weight loss?
This is the reason. Its killer.
If you read the package a little closer you see that Dave's bakery does hire released convicts, even released felons.2 -
As a low carb eater, I rarely eat bread. Many low carb folks don't eat any bread, ever.
https://authoritynutrition.com/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets/
Many health professionals now believe that a low-carb diet (higher in fat and protein) is a much better option to treat obesity and other chronic, Western diseases.
1) Authority Nutrition is a junk science website.
2) Science shows that fat restriction is more effective than carbohydrate restriction for fat loss:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26278052
Low carbohydrate diets increase cortisol: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17785367
Ketogenic diets have no metabolic advantage: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16685046/
Low-carb diets have no effect upon weight loss: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22935440/
Keto diets do not result in more fat loss than isocaloric non-keto diets: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27385608/9 -
As a low carb eater, I rarely eat bread. Many low carb folks don't eat any bread, ever.
https://authoritynutrition.com/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets/
Many health professionals now believe that a low-carb diet (higher in fat and protein) is a much better option to treat obesity and other chronic, Western diseases.
1) Authority Nutrition is a junk science website.
2) Science shows that fat restriction is more effective than carbohydrate restriction for fat loss:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26278052
Low carbohydrate diets increase cortisol: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17785367
Ketogenic diets have no metabolic advantage: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16685046/
Low-carb diets have no effect upon weight loss: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22935440/
Keto diets do not result in more fat loss than isocaloric non-keto diets: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27385608/
You must keep a folder of links for times like this.
The authority nutrition link is to 23 other peer reviewed studies.
All that was said was that many heath professionals now believe a LCHF diet is s better option to treat obesity and and other chronic western diseases. That's true. My doctor recommended it too.
It was not said that LCHF lowers cortisol, that keto has a metabolic advantage, or that keto results in more fat loss. I do think a LCHF diet can be used to achieve weight loss though - it's a fine tool.
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I don't eat much bread simply because it doesn't keep long enough. I get maybe half a loaf eaten and it is moldy. Unless I buy the white bread from Kwik Trip...that stuff never molds (and scares me as to what is in it!). Sure I freeze some but it never tastes the same.0
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I'm not getting into that waste of time discussion again. The OP asked what's the harm in bread. I was providing evidence of why a person would not eat bread. It's high in carbs. A large percentage of people that are trying to lose weight are doing it successfully eating low carb. Just get over it.0
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I think it has to do with the person. Bread isn't evil. If you want it have it in moderation. I choice not to include bread in my plan as I want to spend the calories on other foods. And for me when I eat a lot of bread in my diet my weight stalls .. But that's how it works for me. And that's not just breads for me that's pasta, rice, bread and processed junk. I think you got to see what works for you and go with it!
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I'm not getting into that waste of time discussion again. The OP asked what's the harm in bread. I was providing evidence of why a person would not eat bread. It's high in carbs. A large percentage of people that are trying to lose weight are doing it successfully eating low carb. Just get over it.
I would say that the "large percentage" part is wrong. The National Weight Control Registry tracks sustained weight loss statistics and studies. There's no significant pattern to eating habits that have contributed to maintaining the loss.
Yes, there are lots of people who chose to reduce or eliminate carbs from their diet and they are successful. There are also lot of people who chose balanced macros and are successful. Sustainability is really the only factor that matters.10 -
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It's right. I didn't say a majority. Of all the methods in use, a large percentage could be something like 25%.0
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rheddmobile wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »snallred0102 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »snallred0102 wrote: »What is the healthiest bread you can buy at Walmart or similar grocery store?
What would a "healthy" bread be for you? Are you looking for the lowest calorie? Fiber count? Higher protein? Certain micronutrients?
I guess I'm just looking for a kind that benefits a super healthy diet. I am trying to lose about 10 pounds, but am more concerned with putting good calories in and getting the crap out. So I guess something high in fiber and/or protein but low in carbs.
For ordinary sandwiches I like Sara Lee 100% whole wheat - like all bread, it's pretty much carbs and empty calories, but it's only 130 calories and 20g net carbs per two slices. I'm a diabetic and eaten with other non-carb food two slices of this bread has a modest effect on my blood sugar.
What?!?!?!?!
Were you thinking that bread was a great source of nutrients? It's really not. It's not the devil, but neither is it nutrient-dense. It's not even a good source of the nutrients which usually come from grains. On a 1200 calorie a day diet, that's relevant - two slices of low calorie bread form one tenth of everything you get to eat in a day.
You called bread "empty calories"...
But if it doesn't fill you up, that's pretty much what it is, lol. For me, at least.0 -
I'm not getting into that waste of time discussion again. The OP asked what's the harm in bread. I was providing evidence of why a person would not eat bread. It's high in carbs. A large percentage of people that are trying to lose weight are doing it successfully eating low carb. Just get over it.
If only there were a way to have answered the question without claiming that one's own diet is somehow superior or starting the low carb vs. other diets battle again. If only.
Oh, right, this is one thing I might say:
I don't eat bread very often because I'm low carbing (due to personal preferences) and also because it's usually not worth the calories to me, as most of the time I prefer the things I'd put in a sandwich on their own to putting them on a sandwich, and I tend to prefer ground beef in some other ways than on a bun. I don't really like most supermarket bread and most of the time even with better bread I can take or leave it, never really crave it or miss it or even notice whether it's there or not, so for me it's a waste of calories.
Like bbell said, I do like really good bread and will occasionally have it at the right restaurant or if someone offers me homemade bread, but there really aren't any supermarket breads worth the calories for me, and it doesn't fit well in my current macros (I prefer to use my carbs for vegetables, nuts, dairy, and fruit, and occasional legumes).
I don't think bread is "bad" or "bad for a diet" and if anyone enjoys it and wants to, they totally could fit it in daily.6 -
I've cut back on bread, but I won't/can't cut it out. Every Sabbath, every Jewish holiday meal begins with a piece of challah, often homemade. Eating falls under 'If you have a medical condition that makes it impossible to eat it, (e.g. celiac) that's one thing. Otherwise, you should have at least about a half-slice'. I limit my bread consumption to two slices on Friday night, two slices on Saturday. Plus a bagel. The rest of the week, if I'm in the mood and calories permit, sure. But maybe not. And the days when I was buttering or oiling naan, warming it in the oven, and eating 2 to 3 rounds at a time? Gone, hopefully never to return.1
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I have never restricted bread or carbohydrates in general. Bread is not a food that I get excited to eat, though, unless it's a really good, freshly-baked kind. It's just kind of a boring food! People crave what they've restricted, so maybe that's why I'm not especially drawn to bread?0
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It's the enemy to me because I love the stuff too much, with a slab of salted butter on it.
I'm out to eat tonight and will have a bread roll treat.0 -
And yet, your post didn't really coincide with the OP's.I'm not getting into that waste of time discussion again. The OP asked what's the harm in bread. I was providing evidence of why a person would not eat bread. It's high in carbs. A large percentage of people that are trying to lose weight are doing it successfully eating low carb. Just get over it.
Their post:thewindandthework wrote: »I know that there are a lot of people who eat low carb, and I understand the various reasons for that, though I don't eat that way myself.
But I feel like I'm always seeing people avoiding bread specifically without limiting other carbs or food made from processed grains. What's the reason for this? Why do so many people view bread as adversarial to weight loss?
Yours:As a low carb eater, I rarely eat bread. Many low carb folks don't eat any bread, ever.
https://authoritynutrition.com/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets/
Many health professionals now believe that a low-carb diet (higher in fat and protein) is a much better option to treat obesity and other chronic, Western diseases.
OP clarified the low carb part...
I truly wish low carbers would stop touting low carb as a treatment for disease. It doesn't. I see LC being mentioned for Alzheimer's treatment and that irks me. My father has been naturally low carb for most of his life and is now a sufferer of Alzheimer's. Eh.6 -
cerise_noir wrote: »
And yet, your post didn't really coincide with the OP's.I'm not getting into that waste of time discussion again. The OP asked what's the harm in bread. I was providing evidence of why a person would not eat bread. It's high in carbs. A large percentage of people that are trying to lose weight are doing it successfully eating low carb. Just get over it.
Their post:thewindandthework wrote: »I know that there are a lot of people who eat low carb, and I understand the various reasons for that, though I don't eat that way myself.
But I feel like I'm always seeing people avoiding bread specifically without limiting other carbs or food made from processed grains. What's the reason for this? Why do so many people view bread as adversarial to weight loss?
Yours:As a low carb eater, I rarely eat bread. Many low carb folks don't eat any bread, ever.
https://authoritynutrition.com/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets/
Many health professionals now believe that a low-carb diet (higher in fat and protein) is a much better option to treat obesity and other chronic, Western diseases.
OP clarified the low carb part...
I truly wish low carbers would stop touting low carb as a treatment for disease. It doesn't. I see LC being mentioned for Alzheimer's treatment and that irks me. My father has been naturally low carb for most of his life and is now a sufferer of Alzheimer's. Eh.
I'm sorry your father is ill.
It's actually ketosis, and the use of MCTs, which is a treatment currently being tested and starting to be used for dementia. Not just low carb. The book, What if there is a Cure? explains it.
http://coconutketones.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/whatifcure.pdf0 -
cerise_noir wrote: »
And yet, your post didn't really coincide with the OP's.I'm not getting into that waste of time discussion again. The OP asked what's the harm in bread. I was providing evidence of why a person would not eat bread. It's high in carbs. A large percentage of people that are trying to lose weight are doing it successfully eating low carb. Just get over it.
Their post:thewindandthework wrote: »I know that there are a lot of people who eat low carb, and I understand the various reasons for that, though I don't eat that way myself.
But I feel like I'm always seeing people avoiding bread specifically without limiting other carbs or food made from processed grains. What's the reason for this? Why do so many people view bread as adversarial to weight loss?
Yours:As a low carb eater, I rarely eat bread. Many low carb folks don't eat any bread, ever.
https://authoritynutrition.com/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets/
Many health professionals now believe that a low-carb diet (higher in fat and protein) is a much better option to treat obesity and other chronic, Western diseases.
OP clarified the low carb part...
I truly wish low carbers would stop touting low carb as a treatment for disease. It doesn't. I see LC being mentioned for Alzheimer's treatment and that irks me. My father has been naturally low carb for most of his life and is now a sufferer of Alzheimer's. Eh.
I'm sorry your father is ill.
It's actually ketosis, and the use of MCTs, which is a treatment currently being tested and starting to be used for dementia. Not just low carb. The book, What if there is a Cure? explains it.
http://coconutketones.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/whatifcure.pdf
It should also be noted that one cant just do ketogenic. Its in conjunction with a variety of other things to slow the advancement of alzheimers. There is medication and cognitive therapies on top of ketogenic.1 -
cerise_noir wrote: »
And yet, your post didn't really coincide with the OP's.I'm not getting into that waste of time discussion again. The OP asked what's the harm in bread. I was providing evidence of why a person would not eat bread. It's high in carbs. A large percentage of people that are trying to lose weight are doing it successfully eating low carb. Just get over it.
Their post:thewindandthework wrote: »I know that there are a lot of people who eat low carb, and I understand the various reasons for that, though I don't eat that way myself.
But I feel like I'm always seeing people avoiding bread specifically without limiting other carbs or food made from processed grains. What's the reason for this? Why do so many people view bread as adversarial to weight loss?
Yours:As a low carb eater, I rarely eat bread. Many low carb folks don't eat any bread, ever.
https://authoritynutrition.com/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets/
Many health professionals now believe that a low-carb diet (higher in fat and protein) is a much better option to treat obesity and other chronic, Western diseases.
OP clarified the low carb part...
I truly wish low carbers would stop touting low carb as a treatment for disease. It doesn't. I see LC being mentioned for Alzheimer's treatment and that irks me. My father has been naturally low carb for most of his life and is now a sufferer of Alzheimer's. Eh.
I'm sorry your father is ill.
It's actually ketosis, and the use of MCTs, which is a treatment currently being tested and starting to be used for dementia. Not just low carb. The book, What if there is a Cure? explains it.
http://coconutketones.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/whatifcure.pdf
It should also be noted that one cant just do ketogenic. Its in conjunction with a variety of other things to slow the advancement of alzheimers. There is medication and cognitive therapies on top of ketogenic.
So True.0 -
As a low carb eater, I rarely eat bread. Many low carb folks don't eat any bread, ever.
https://authoritynutrition.com/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets/
Many health professionals now believe that a low-carb diet (higher in fat and protein) is a much better option to treat obesity and other chronic, Western diseases.
1) Authority Nutrition is a junk science website.
2) Science shows that fat restriction is more effective than carbohydrate restriction for fat loss:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26278052
Low carbohydrate diets increase cortisol: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17785367
Ketogenic diets have no metabolic advantage: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16685046/
Low-carb diets have no effect upon weight loss: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22935440/
Keto diets do not result in more fat loss than isocaloric non-keto diets: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27385608/
You must keep a folder of links for times like this.
The authority nutrition link is to 23 other peer reviewed studies.
All that was said was that many heath professionals now believe a LCHF diet is s better option to treat obesity and and other chronic western diseases. That's true. My doctor recommended it too.
It was not said that LCHF lowers cortisol, that keto has a metabolic advantage, or that keto results in more fat loss. I do think a LCHF diet can be used to achieve weight loss though - it's a fine tool.
Exactly the same as any other diet that has you in a caloric deficit. 5 -
I am very finicky about how my bread is made and where the ingredients come from.
Much of the wheat in the US is GMO / Monsanto / Roundup derived.
Ref: http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/real-reason-for-toxic-wheat-its-not-gluten/
I make my own bread with non-GMO / non-Monsanto / non-Roundup wheat that is processed in a factory that doesn't contain wheat that is GMO / Monsanto / Roundup derived.
(It's expensive and I don't eat a lot of bread for that reason.)
I do love bread, though, all kinds of it... so it's a bit sad.
When I eat wheat pasta I eat it in small amounts imported from Italy where GMO / Monsanto / Roundup is banned.
GMO wheat is not currently grown for commercial use in the US.
https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/crops/wheat/background/
From the U.S. Wheat Supply paragraph:
"In addition, U.S. food processors are wary of consumer reaction to products containing genetically modified (GM) wheat, so no GM wheat is commercially grown in the United States."3 -
ha ha. I said I wasn't getting into it. LCHF has believers and non-believers. The non-believers are a ferocious bunch that has to have it their way. As a serial dieter, who's been losing and gaining weight for 40 years, I can tell you LCHF has cured some medical stuff for me. It's 100 times more enjoyable and sustainable, for me than high carb, low fat, restricted calorie. If that's what you like, wonderful for you. Many of the other diets I've used required limiting bread. Or you ate crap like 1 egg white on a piece of dry toast. Restricted calorie diets restrict bread. A medical diet like Medifast, no bread. The first diet I ever did 40 years ago, no bread. Atkins, no bread. Keto, no bread. Weight watchers, some bread. But I bet it would have to be low fat, low taste, low carb to be low in points. I wouldn't know about weight watchers.0
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Analysis paralysis.
Eat bread, don't eat bread.
It's not the enemy. It's bread. Some can have it, some can not, life's not fair.
Get over it already...
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snickerscharlie wrote: »As a low carb eater, I rarely eat bread. Many low carb folks don't eat any bread, ever.
https://authoritynutrition.com/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets/
Many health professionals now believe that a low-carb diet (higher in fat and protein) is a much better option to treat obesity and other chronic, Western diseases.
1) Authority Nutrition is a junk science website.
2) Science shows that fat restriction is more effective than carbohydrate restriction for fat loss:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26278052
Low carbohydrate diets increase cortisol: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17785367
Ketogenic diets have no metabolic advantage: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16685046/
Low-carb diets have no effect upon weight loss: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22935440/
Keto diets do not result in more fat loss than isocaloric non-keto diets: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27385608/
You must keep a folder of links for times like this.
The authority nutrition link is to 23 other peer reviewed studies.
All that was said was that many heath professionals now believe a LCHF diet is s better option to treat obesity and and other chronic western diseases. That's true. My doctor recommended it too.
It was not said that LCHF lowers cortisol, that keto has a metabolic advantage, or that keto results in more fat loss. I do think a LCHF diet can be used to achieve weight loss though - it's a fine tool.
Exactly the same as any other diet that has you in a caloric deficit.
Depending on your health needs and beliefs, certainly.0 -
Bread is not the enemy, and neither is cake or Mcdonald's. You have a budget. You spend it as you will, just like with money. You pay your bills, and then you get some money for entertainment. You spend your calories on food that will keep you full, satisfied, and preferably provide things that are good for your body. Then you spend whatever you have leftover on cake or something. Bread is fine as long as you don't blow your entire wad on bread and then you're still hungry.3
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