Who read "The Obesity Code" by Jason Fung
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This was asked back in March in MFP. It got pretty ugly.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10527944/jason-fungs-book-the-obesity-code-thoughts
Any diet against CICO won't go over well here.3 -
TheWJordinWJordin wrote: »This was asked back in March in MFP. It got pretty ugly.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10527944/jason-fungs-book-the-obesity-code-thoughts
Any diet against CICO won't go over well here.
... because it represents a denial of reality.14 -
I also gotta kinda laugh because he's Asian and if he attends any family gatherings or parties, I can bet there's a lot of rice, and other starchy foods around. And like most Asians (with the possible exception of those raised in the US), they're likely well within normal weight and body fat range.
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Fung believes CICO is a "theory". That automatically makes him a "woo" seller of whatever program he wants people to believe it.
OP, people get obese eating more than they need to. Whether it's protein, carbs, or fat. The more overweight someone gets, the higher risk they have for diabetes, metabolic dysfunction, hormonal imbalance, etc.
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I agree with what you're trying to say but you need to check the meaning of the word theory in the dictionary.
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Jason Fung's weight loss rules depend heavily on the fact that many people need a structured way of eating to lose weight, someone to tell them when, what and how much to eat. This is the basis of most of the weight-loss fad diets and scammy books. People who follow his advice and lose weight do it basically because a keto diet is satiating for them and their energy input will be less than their energy output. CICO. Like any weight loss effort, the long-term sustainability will depend on the person's ability to continue eating in this way after getting to maintenance.
Which is to say most people will gain the weight back because most people do using any weight-loss method.
In my opinion people trying to adhere to restrictive diets like this one usually not only fail to reach maintenance, they also develop anxieties around foods that might make it easier to lose weight in the future because those are the foods they like and that are satiating for them.1 -
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TheWJordinWJordin wrote: »This was asked back in March in MFP. It got pretty ugly.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10527944/jason-fungs-book-the-obesity-code-thoughts
Any diet against CICO won't go over well here.
Because CICO is the underlying scientific principle that governs *all* diets.
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I cant stand his work, or at least the bs he pushes in his blogs. I have come to the conclusion that i will not listen to MD's when it comes to dietary advice, unless they have been educated and have specialized in the field. Doctors diagnose and treat based on what PhDs discover. I would much more listen to the those trained in the field of nutritional sciences; even if they only have masters degrees.
Ultimately, your dietary approach will be personal to your needs. If you like his approach then give it a shot. But it does come down to CICO, even though fung thinks otherwise.5 -
I also gotta kinda laugh because he's Asian and if he attends any family gatherings or parties, I can bet there's a lot of rice, and other starchy foods around. And like most Asians (with the possible exception of those raised in the US), they're likely well within normal weight and body fat range.
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A bit "cliche" your comment!
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My husband lost 49 lbs following Dr Fung's principles. He is also off all his diabetic and heart medication. Thank you Dr Fung!14
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When you are reducing calories you are probably unknowingly reducing carbs.0
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I have to ask- why is there so much resistance to CICO as a concept? I see it over and over again in the forums; people just want to believe that 'x' approach is somehow independent of basic physics, even when any success is still due to burning more than one consumes. I understand that people who have never counted calories before may have to learn a few new skills, but it isn't difficult and it doesn't take much time at all. There seem to be 3 new posts a day asking about 'x' approach or 'y' approach and when someone inevitable chimes in with "It's all about CICO", they seem to get push back. I don't get it.6
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Plenty of scientific backing behind Dr Fung's statements! Love Eric Berg too.13 -
pacific904 wrote: »I also gotta kinda laugh because he's Asian and if he attends any family gatherings or parties, I can bet there's a lot of rice, and other starchy foods around. And like most Asians (with the possible exception of those raised in the US), they're likely well within normal weight and body fat range.
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A bit "cliche" your comment!
I work with a few thousand Asian people and it doesn't seem cliche to me. People from different regions have different staple foods. Kind of how the world works.5 -
I have to ask- why is there so much resistance to CICO as a concept? I see it over and over again in the forums; people just want to believe that 'x' approach is somehow independent of basic physics, even when any success is still due to burning more than one consumes. I understand that people who have never counted calories before may have to learn a few new skills, but it isn't difficult and it doesn't take much time at all. There seem to be 3 new posts a day asking about 'x' approach or 'y' approach and when someone inevitable chimes in with "It's all about CICO", they seem to get push back. I don't get it.
Because they dont want to take ownership of their situation. They would rather keep the blinders on and believe in some magic that will save them.5 -
pacific904 wrote: »
Plenty of scientific backing behind Dr Fung's statements! Love Eric Berg too.
Please, share links proving this.3 -
pacific904 wrote: »When you are reducing calories you are probably unknowingly reducing carbs.
Not always. When I cut calories, its all from fat. I still get close to 300g or so of carbs per day. Others might cut carbs.. but not universally true.3 -
The song is still in my head. Thank you for that.
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pacific904 wrote: »When you are reducing calories you are probably unknowingly reducing carbs.
Not always. When I cut calories, its all from fat. I still get close to 300g or so of carbs per day. Others might cut carbs.. but not universally true.
Same. All of my cut calories are from fat. I get plenty of carbs. I thrive on them and protein.4 -
Actually it's factual and not theoretical. Basic mathematics apply regardless of the person. Yes, some people need to eat much less than others possibly due to a health issue, but that's usually because that health issue causes them to burn less.gebeziseva wrote: »Fung believes CICO is a "theory". That automatically makes him a "woo" seller of whatever program he wants people to believe it.
OP, people get obese eating more than they need to. Whether it's protein, carbs, or fat. The more overweight someone gets, the higher risk they have for diabetes, metabolic dysfunction, hormonal imbalance, etc.
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I agree with what you're trying to say but you need to check the meaning of the word theory in the dictionary.
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