Who read "The Obesity Code" by Jason Fung
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When you are reducing calories you are probably unknowingly reducing carbs.0
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I have to ask- why is there so much resistance to CICO as a concept? I see it over and over again in the forums; people just want to believe that 'x' approach is somehow independent of basic physics, even when any success is still due to burning more than one consumes. I understand that people who have never counted calories before may have to learn a few new skills, but it isn't difficult and it doesn't take much time at all. There seem to be 3 new posts a day asking about 'x' approach or 'y' approach and when someone inevitable chimes in with "It's all about CICO", they seem to get push back. I don't get it.6
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Plenty of scientific backing behind Dr Fung's statements! Love Eric Berg too.13 -
pacific904 wrote: »I also gotta kinda laugh because he's Asian and if he attends any family gatherings or parties, I can bet there's a lot of rice, and other starchy foods around. And like most Asians (with the possible exception of those raised in the US), they're likely well within normal weight and body fat range.
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A bit "cliche" your comment!
I work with a few thousand Asian people and it doesn't seem cliche to me. People from different regions have different staple foods. Kind of how the world works.5 -
I have to ask- why is there so much resistance to CICO as a concept? I see it over and over again in the forums; people just want to believe that 'x' approach is somehow independent of basic physics, even when any success is still due to burning more than one consumes. I understand that people who have never counted calories before may have to learn a few new skills, but it isn't difficult and it doesn't take much time at all. There seem to be 3 new posts a day asking about 'x' approach or 'y' approach and when someone inevitable chimes in with "It's all about CICO", they seem to get push back. I don't get it.
Because they dont want to take ownership of their situation. They would rather keep the blinders on and believe in some magic that will save them.5 -
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Plenty of scientific backing behind Dr Fung's statements! Love Eric Berg too.
Please, share links proving this.3 -
pacific904 wrote: »When you are reducing calories you are probably unknowingly reducing carbs.
Not always. When I cut calories, its all from fat. I still get close to 300g or so of carbs per day. Others might cut carbs.. but not universally true.3 -
The song is still in my head. Thank you for that.
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pacific904 wrote: »When you are reducing calories you are probably unknowingly reducing carbs.
Not always. When I cut calories, its all from fat. I still get close to 300g or so of carbs per day. Others might cut carbs.. but not universally true.
Same. All of my cut calories are from fat. I get plenty of carbs. I thrive on them and protein.4 -
Actually it's factual and not theoretical. Basic mathematics apply regardless of the person. Yes, some people need to eat much less than others possibly due to a health issue, but that's usually because that health issue causes them to burn less.gebeziseva wrote: »Fung believes CICO is a "theory". That automatically makes him a "woo" seller of whatever program he wants people to believe it.
OP, people get obese eating more than they need to. Whether it's protein, carbs, or fat. The more overweight someone gets, the higher risk they have for diabetes, metabolic dysfunction, hormonal imbalance, etc.
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I agree with what you're trying to say but you need to check the meaning of the word theory in the dictionary.
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That's great. I have clients that lost over 100lbs and didn't diet to do it and got off meds, increased strength and several have gone on to do Mud runs and Spartan races. And still eating what they want to eat albeit, in CONTROL of calories now.pacific904 wrote: »My husband lost 49 lbs following Dr Fung's principles. He is also off all his diabetic and heart medication. Thank you Dr Fung!
Regardless of approach, weight loss happens when one burns more than they consume.
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Or just eating less of EVERYTHING.....................knowingly.pacific904 wrote: »When you are reducing calories you are probably unknowingly reducing carbs.
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Much more scientific backing on CICO.pacific904 wrote: »
Plenty of scientific backing behind Dr Fung's statements! Love Eric Berg too.
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Um, I'm Asian. I go to several Asian parties throughout the year.pacific904 wrote: »I also gotta kinda laugh because he's Asian and if he attends any family gatherings or parties, I can bet there's a lot of rice, and other starchy foods around. And like most Asians (with the possible exception of those raised in the US), they're likely well within normal weight and body fat range.
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A bit "cliche" your comment!
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pacific904 wrote: »My husband lost 49 lbs following Dr Fung's principles. He is also off all his diabetic and heart medication. Thank you Dr Fung!
I have lost 66 lb. counting calories and meeting macros. I am also off diabetes meds as well as the BP and lipids meds.
losing weight is the important thing for improving health markers, not how you do it.3 -
Um, I'm Asian. I go to several Asian parties throughout the year.pacific904 wrote: »I also gotta kinda laugh because he's Asian and if he attends any family gatherings or parties, I can bet there's a lot of rice, and other starchy foods around. And like most Asians (with the possible exception of those raised in the US), they're likely well within normal weight and body fat range.
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A bit "cliche" your comment!
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It's true and if that poster had read Fung's book, he would know that he clearly acknowledges rice and other starchy foods in the Asian culinary tradition and the lack of obesity in traditional Asian cultures.
Personally, after reading Fung's book, he has some hits and some misses. I think his final protocol of low added sugars and simple carb, higher fiber and more fats with moderate proteins as well as IF will work well with his client population of sedentary obese people. How he gets there in terms of rationale is a whole other story. When he started referencing Taubes, Lustig and Wheat Belly, my wooo detector was going off big time. Some right conclusions despite taking a flawed road to get there. It's not the definitive answer by any means. Too much woo.2 -
pacific904 wrote: »When you are reducing calories you are probably unknowingly reducing carbs.
Study's been done already, reducing carbs or not is irrelevant.2 -
I think the book can be quite effective for his target audience: overweight individuals with insulin resistance who struggle with steady calorie restriction (for months or years to lose their weight) on a higher carb diet. It brings insulin and blood glucose levels down quite quickly - important to those with IR.
It won't work for all, but it will work for many.
I found the idea of not needing to eat for a few days to be quite freeing, Busy? Don't eat. Need to get out of the house quickly? Skip eating. Need some extra mental clarity? Don't eat, and when you do keep it lower carb (especially refined carbs).12 -
I think the book can be quite effective for his target audience: overweight individuals with insulin resistance who struggle with steady calorie restriction (for months or years to lose their weight) on a higher carb diet. It brings insulin and blood glucose levels down quite quickly - important to those with IR.
It won't work for all, but it will work for many.
I found the idea of not needing to eat for a few days to be quite freeing, Busy? Don't eat. Need to get out of the house quickly? Skip eating. Need some extra mental clarity? Don't eat, and when you do keep it lower carb (especially refined carbs).
Mental clarity for me is improved when I eat. Otherwise, I just want to nap. When I say eat, I don't mean *overeat* - a huge meal (like Christmas dinner, for example,) usually makes me sleepy, too.
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snickerscharlie wrote: »I think the book can be quite effective for his target audience: overweight individuals with insulin resistance who struggle with steady calorie restriction (for months or years to lose their weight) on a higher carb diet. It brings insulin and blood glucose levels down quite quickly - important to those with IR.
It won't work for all, but it will work for many.
I found the idea of not needing to eat for a few days to be quite freeing, Busy? Don't eat. Need to get out of the house quickly? Skip eating. Need some extra mental clarity? Don't eat, and when you do keep it lower carb (especially refined carbs).
Mental clarity for me is improved when I eat. Otherwise, I just want to nap. When I say eat, I don't mean *overeat* - a huge meal (like Christmas dinner, for example,) usually makes me sleepy, too.
I agree, people who know me can tell when I get busy and miss a meal. I get sluggish and can't concentrate.
There are a lot of charlatans out there who take a kernel of truth and blow it up into an empire of woo. Sure it might help certain people, but not due to the reasons they say, just because of that kernel of truth and boring old calorie restriction. And it's dangerous, because we're in this mess because people have no idea how their body works and all the conflicting info just amplifies that.6 -
@mariaros and @pacific904 and others there are many ways to lose weight. Just counting calories does work to lose weight but it still does not address the cause of our desire to eat too many calories of the wrong types for our own bodies.
For those interested in losing weight and finally learning a Way Of Eating that in our own case keeps the weight lost off for the rest of our lives plus increases quality and quantity of life often we need to take the time to grasp the science behind why we eat too many calories.
In my case I expect factor one was Candida overgrowth that was driving my controlling cravings for sugar and any form of grains. After a hellish first two weeks starting Oct 2014 of no sugar and no form of any grains the cravings just started to fade fast. Weight loss did not start of 6 weeks.
When we can reverse major medical health issues and remove the need for Rx Meds by changing the way we eat 100% can agree our former way of eating was wrong for our own body.
What works for one may or may NOT work for another. Our n=1 results is all that counts in our own case.
After nearly three years my body keeps wanting changes in my way of eating as it heals from me feeding it wrong for the last 40 years. My lab work proves my new way of eating is working. No longer being obese is helping in ways I never realized that was possible. I study to learn more every day and finally more and more of the science I read about is starting to make sense.
Best of success for all seeking to understand how and why to eat in a way that works best for your body.13 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »I think the book can be quite effective for his target audience: overweight individuals with insulin resistance who struggle with steady calorie restriction (for months or years to lose their weight) on a higher carb diet. It brings insulin and blood glucose levels down quite quickly - important to those with IR.
It won't work for all, but it will work for many.
I found the idea of not needing to eat for a few days to be quite freeing, Busy? Don't eat. Need to get out of the house quickly? Skip eating. Need some extra mental clarity? Don't eat, and when you do keep it lower carb (especially refined carbs).
Mental clarity for me is improved when I eat. Otherwise, I just want to nap. When I say eat, I don't mean *overeat* - a huge meal (like Christmas dinner, for example,) usually makes me sleepy, too.
It is thought mental clarity is improved with better fuel uptake. Those with insulin resistance in the brain, not always T2D but those with higher insulin levels and IR, won't get enough fuel and that affects cognitive performance.
Ketones seem to be a great fuel for the brain, superior to glucose for IR people, and having that steady fuel supply tends to improve cognition in those people. Fasting, along with a low carb diet, will create beneficial ketones.
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