Wearing Cologne/Perfume at the gym
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Therealobi1 wrote: »
Never heard if it. So why cant that be used in the gym.stanmann571 wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »How do you guys manage at work with people that drench themselves in perfume. Do you tell them
I work in a professional environment. Excessive perfume/cologne is a health and safety hazard, since some people are actually, and dangerously allergic to certain artificial fragrances.
So If it came to it yeah.
Professional environment. Is it wriiten in your code of conduct
It's actually the law. ADA/Reasonable accommodation.
Also what about the people who work as fishmongers
Not sure what fishmongers have to do with artificial fragrances and illnesses caused by chemicals and smells.
As far as using it in the gym, That's a good question. I know that under the ADA, employees have a greater level of protection than customers and "club members"... but IANYL1 -
Therealobi1 wrote: »How do you guys manage at work with people that drench themselves in perfume. Do you tell them
I did in a kindly way. I went up to the offender like I was going to tell her a secret and "I am really sorry but I have a sensitivity to your perfume and it is giving me migraines. Any chance you could forego it at work?". Worked with all but one and I let the manager deal with that. This was before the ADA was passed so he used "peaceful co-existence" as the reason for the request.
The expansion of the ADA definitely makes it easier to raise the question.
Now that there's the possibility of fines managers are much more willing to find accommodation.0 -
Therealobi1 wrote: »
Never heard if it. So why cant that be used in the gym.stanmann571 wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »How do you guys manage at work with people that drench themselves in perfume. Do you tell them
I work in a professional environment. Excessive perfume/cologne is a health and safety hazard, since some people are actually, and dangerously allergic to certain artificial fragrances.
So If it came to it yeah.
Professional environment. Is it wriiten in your code of conduct
It's actually the law. ADA/Reasonable accommodation.
Also what about the people who work as fishmongers
Occupational lingering scents are a different story and they usually do not kick off allergies, they more fall into the BO category. I worked for a spice merchant and I always had a lingering smell of spices on me. We could NOT wear perfume at work (FDA regulations) because of possible cross-contamination. Food items can absorb other odors.
Most of the comments as I passed when shopping after work were along the lines of "Somebody's cooking something that smells good" or "who broke a jar in the spice aisle?"
ETA: the ADA is the "American's with Disabilities Act" which protects the rights of the disabled including requiring employers to find "reasonable accommodation" for an employee who is or becomes disabled in order to continue at their job or has a health condition that requires accommodation.
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stanmann571 wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »
Never heard if it. So why cant that be used in the gym.stanmann571 wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »How do you guys manage at work with people that drench themselves in perfume. Do you tell them
I work in a professional environment. Excessive perfume/cologne is a health and safety hazard, since some people are actually, and dangerously allergic to certain artificial fragrances.
So If it came to it yeah.
Professional environment. Is it wriiten in your code of conduct
It's actually the law. ADA/Reasonable accommodation.
Also what about the people who work as fishmongers
Not sure what fishmongers have to do with artificial fragrances and illnesses caused by chemicals and smells.
As far as using it in the gym, That's a good question. I know that under the ADA, employees have a greater level of protection than customers and "club members"... but IANYL
You said reasonable accommodation. So is only regarding artificial fragrances?0 -
Therealobi1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »
Never heard if it. So why cant that be used in the gym.stanmann571 wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »How do you guys manage at work with people that drench themselves in perfume. Do you tell them
I work in a professional environment. Excessive perfume/cologne is a health and safety hazard, since some people are actually, and dangerously allergic to certain artificial fragrances.
So If it came to it yeah.
Professional environment. Is it wriiten in your code of conduct
It's actually the law. ADA/Reasonable accommodation.
Also what about the people who work as fishmongers
Not sure what fishmongers have to do with artificial fragrances and illnesses caused by chemicals and smells.
As far as using it in the gym, That's a good question. I know that under the ADA, employees have a greater level of protection than customers and "club members"... but IANYL
You said reasonable accommodation. So is only regarding artificial fragrances?
ADA(American's with Disabilities Act) requires reasonable accommodation for medical conditions/limitations.
In other words, If you're a cashier at home depot and you're wheelchair bound or extremely vertically challenged, the employer must provide accommodation for your limitation.
When it comes to smells, it's not annoyance, it's physical harm. There's a grey area when it comes to discomfort or nausea. But mere distaste or annoyance doesn't meet the legal requirement.
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stanmann571 wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »
Never heard if it. So why cant that be used in the gym.stanmann571 wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Therealobi1 wrote: »How do you guys manage at work with people that drench themselves in perfume. Do you tell them
I work in a professional environment. Excessive perfume/cologne is a health and safety hazard, since some people are actually, and dangerously allergic to certain artificial fragrances.
So If it came to it yeah.
Professional environment. Is it wriiten in your code of conduct
It's actually the law. ADA/Reasonable accommodation.
Also what about the people who work as fishmongers
Not sure what fishmongers have to do with artificial fragrances and illnesses caused by chemicals and smells.
As far as using it in the gym, That's a good question. I know that under the ADA, employees have a greater level of protection than customers and "club members"... but IANYL
You said reasonable accommodation. So is only regarding artificial fragrances?
ADA(American's with Disabilities Act) requires reasonable accommodation for medical conditions/limitations.
In other words, If you're a cashier at home depot and you're wheelchair bound or extremely vertically challenged, the employer must provide accommodation for your limitation.
When it comes to smells, it's not annoyance, it's physical harm. There's a grey area when it comes to discomfort or nausea. But mere distaste or annoyance doesn't meet the legal requirement.
To expand on this, scents fall into the same category as things like cigarette smoke: things that are put into the air by people rather than are naturally occurring (except smoke has been proven to be harmful to everyone where perfumes, etc. are only harmful to some)
More on the ADA: if you have a chronic issue, including mental health, "reasonable accommodation" can also include allowing you to leave work with no consequences for things like doctor, therapist, PT appointments, even if it is several times a week.0 -
Cologne should only be smellable during a hug situation anyway so...3
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No. I'm allergic to the scent of most perfumes/colognes. I get a terrible headache and feel disoriented, and my skin breaks out when I wear them. Since they are more synthetic, these days, I can understand why they bother me now, and didn't when I was younger.0
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Packerjohn wrote: »Okay only if one is a French prostitute.
My mum used to tell people they smell like a tarts handbag
*before folks think my mums an awful person she developed vascular alzhimers in her late 30's and her brain to mouth filter stopped working. She came out with some cracking one liners before she lost her speech *5 -
I have on perfume for my midday work out. It's not like I put it on right before I walk through the doors but it's from after my morning workout and shower....I don't think it's overpowering but who knows?
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Lizakabibbis wrote: »I have on perfume for my midday work out. It's not like I put it on right before I walk through the doors but it's from after my morning workout and shower....I don't think it's overpowering but who knows?
I think thats the problem not everyone knows how strong it is unless told. Mind you some might not care0 -
Therealobi1 wrote: »Lizakabibbis wrote: »I have on perfume for my midday work out. It's not like I put it on right before I walk through the doors but it's from after my morning workout and shower....I don't think it's overpowering but who knows?
I think thats the problem not everyone knows how strong it is unless told. Mind you some might not care
Ehhhh, if I don't hear about it then it's not an issue. I'm also not the type to bathe in perfume. I'm a one spray and done kind of person. I will say at 5am I've never had an issue with BO or fragrance. For some reason - at 11:45 it's a much bigger issue.0 -
Lizakabibbis wrote: »I have on perfume for my midday work out. It's not like I put it on right before I walk through the doors but it's from after my morning workout and shower....I don't think it's overpowering but who knows?
Even if it is not "overpowering" it can still trigger an allergic reaction.0 -
Therealobi1 wrote: »How do you guys manage at work with people that drench themselves in perfume. Do you tell them
It's against the rules at my job to wear excessive cologne/perfume. "Excessive" is defined by the number of complaints received about a particular person from within the department, and an objective party agreeing that it's excessive.
ETA I didn't even know the ADA had anything to do with it. Just going by company policy. Guess they'd have to be even more strict if someone is allergic.2 -
Lizakabibbis wrote: »I have on perfume for my midday work out. It's not like I put it on right before I walk through the doors but it's from after my morning workout and shower....I don't think it's overpowering but who knows?
Even if it is not "overpowering" it can still trigger an allergic reaction.
In your opinion, then, are people supposed to shower thoroughly before a workout as well as after to avoid this? That seems a little unreasonable in my opinion.
Honestly...my husband has asthma and approximately a million allergies and is sensitive to a lot of scents, so I do sympathize. However, I don't think expecting people to be absolutely scent-free when entering a gym is reasonable, and I suggest that if you're terribly sensitive to scents, then perhaps a public gym isn't for you. Sweat and elevated body temperature have a way of exacerbating scents, whether it's laundry detergent, perfume, or natural ones, and so the cologne someone applies in the morning may well make a re-appearance once they start their workout and that's just life, since lots of people work out on lunch, after work, or at the end of their day.
To me, a reasonable accommodation for working out in public is to have showered in the past 24 hours and to be wearing clean clothes and (preferably) some type of deodorant. Beyond that, I don't think you can really expect that people won't have applied any scented products at any point since their last shower.6 -
Lizakabibbis wrote: »I have on perfume for my midday work out. It's not like I put it on right before I walk through the doors but it's from after my morning workout and shower....I don't think it's overpowering but who knows?
Even if it is not "overpowering" it can still trigger an allergic reaction.
In your opinion, then, are people supposed to shower thoroughly before a workout as well as after to avoid this? That seems a little unreasonable in my opinion.
Honestly...my husband has asthma and approximately a million allergies and is sensitive to a lot of scents, so I do sympathize. However, I don't think expecting people to be absolutely scent-free when entering a gym is reasonable, and I suggest that if you're terribly sensitive to scents, then perhaps a public gym isn't for you. Sweat and elevated body temperature have a way of exacerbating scents, whether it's laundry detergent, perfume, or natural ones, and so the cologne someone applies in the morning may well make a re-appearance once they start their workout and that's just life, since lots of people work out on lunch, after work, or at the end of their day.
To me, a reasonable accommodation for working out in public is to have showered in the past 24 hours and to be wearing clean clothes and (preferably) some type of deodorant. Beyond that, I don't think you can really expect that people won't have applied any scented products at any point since their last shower.
Can you point out to me where in my post I say that I expect public places to be scent/perfume free? I was just commenting that although perfume may not be excessive or overpowering, it can still trigger an allergic reaction. How does that get misconstrued into me saying that people need to be "absolutely scent-free"?
I do not expect public places to be scent/fragrance free, and never have I said that they should be. I was commenting because many people that I say something to (at work, never in public), do not realize that a) perfume/scent allergies are a thing, or b) that their perfume was overpowering/too much.
For what it is worth:
*I don't go to a public gym because of the scents/perfumes
* I have changed to a dr/specialist office where it is perfume/scent free
* I deal with the migraine and trouble breathing when I go grocery shopping, or out to any public place.
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Lizakabibbis wrote: »I have on perfume for my midday work out. It's not like I put it on right before I walk through the doors but it's from after my morning workout and shower....I don't think it's overpowering but who knows?
Even if it is not "overpowering" it can still trigger an allergic reaction.
In your opinion, then, are people supposed to shower thoroughly before a workout as well as after to avoid this? That seems a little unreasonable in my opinion.
Honestly...my husband has asthma and approximately a million allergies and is sensitive to a lot of scents, so I do sympathize. However, I don't think expecting people to be absolutely scent-free when entering a gym is reasonable, and I suggest that if you're terribly sensitive to scents, then perhaps a public gym isn't for you. Sweat and elevated body temperature have a way of exacerbating scents, whether it's laundry detergent, perfume, or natural ones, and so the cologne someone applies in the morning may well make a re-appearance once they start their workout and that's just life, since lots of people work out on lunch, after work, or at the end of their day.
To me, a reasonable accommodation for working out in public is to have showered in the past 24 hours and to be wearing clean clothes and (preferably) some type of deodorant. Beyond that, I don't think you can really expect that people won't have applied any scented products at any point since their last shower.
Can you point out to me where in my post I say that I expect public places to be scent/perfume free? I was just commenting that although perfume may not be excessive or overpowering, it can still trigger an allergic reaction. How does that get misconstrued into me saying that people need to be "absolutely scent-free"?
I do not expect public places to be scent/fragrance free, and never have I said that they should be. I was commenting because many people that I say something to (at work, never in public), do not realize that a) perfume/scent allergies are a thing, or b) that their perfume was overpowering/too much.
For what it is worth:
*I don't go to a public gym because of the scents/perfumes
* I have changed to a dr/specialist office where it is perfume/scent free
* I deal with the migraine and trouble breathing when I go grocery shopping, or out to any public place.
There really is a gray area when it comes to smells in public. Basically, if it is proven to be harmful to the majority of people (like cigarette smoke) it can be banned. If it is harmful to a minority (like perfume) it is up to the individual affected to maintain their space scent free (like you are).
I don't like strong smells and use scent-free products on my body and laundry. I get migraines from a few perfumes (usually those containing ylang ylang and/or orrris). I do wear perfume on occasion and want to smell the perfume, not all of the other things in addition. There is something about the combination of laundry soap, fabric softener, shampoo, hair product, deodorant, etc all topped up with perfume that is just too overwhelming. Yes, I can still smell the laundry soap on my clothes weeks after doing laundry with scented detergent.0 -
Lizakabibbis wrote: »I have on perfume for my midday work out. It's not like I put it on right before I walk through the doors but it's from after my morning workout and shower....I don't think it's overpowering but who knows?
Even if it is not "overpowering" it can still trigger an allergic reaction.
In your opinion, then, are people supposed to shower thoroughly before a workout as well as after to avoid this? That seems a little unreasonable in my opinion.
Honestly...my husband has asthma and approximately a million allergies and is sensitive to a lot of scents, so I do sympathize. However, I don't think expecting people to be absolutely scent-free when entering a gym is reasonable, and I suggest that if you're terribly sensitive to scents, then perhaps a public gym isn't for you. Sweat and elevated body temperature have a way of exacerbating scents, whether it's laundry detergent, perfume, or natural ones, and so the cologne someone applies in the morning may well make a re-appearance once they start their workout and that's just life, since lots of people work out on lunch, after work, or at the end of their day.
To me, a reasonable accommodation for working out in public is to have showered in the past 24 hours and to be wearing clean clothes and (preferably) some type of deodorant. Beyond that, I don't think you can really expect that people won't have applied any scented products at any point since their last shower.
Can you point out to me where in my post I say that I expect public places to be scent/perfume free? I was just commenting that although perfume may not be excessive or overpowering, it can still trigger an allergic reaction. How does that get misconstrued into me saying that people need to be "absolutely scent-free"?
I do not expect public places to be scent/fragrance free, and never have I said that they should be. I was commenting because many people that I say something to (at work, never in public), do not realize that a) perfume/scent allergies are a thing, or b) that their perfume was overpowering/too much.
For what it is worth:
*I don't go to a public gym because of the scents/perfumes
* I have changed to a dr/specialist office where it is perfume/scent free
* I deal with the migraine and trouble breathing when I go grocery shopping, or out to any public place.
You were the one that commented to point out that someone else's leftover perfume could trigger an allergic reaction. I was just trying to ascertain what action you intended by your comment, which is why my comment was a question and not a statement.
To me, it seemed like you were putting the onus on the wearer of the scent, which didn't seem particularly fair to me.
You've now clarified that you take personal responsibility and avoid places where scents might be an issue, which answers my question.2 -
When I worked in a hospital we had a policy against wearing strong scents/perfume, but the unit clerks were notorious for wearing way too much. It made me sick to be near them--I can only imagine how patients felt!
Speaking of which... my dad was at the oncologist's office getting his immunotherapy the other day and there was another patient there wearing so much perfume that my mom had to leave the treatment room. My dad has lung cancer, so diminished breathing capacity anyways, and it's not like he could get up and leave. So rude of that other patient--I "get" the whole part about dressing up to make yourself feel better, but no one needs to smell you...0 -
No. My husband has fragrance allergies and certain fragrances cause him to have an instant headache that will last the rest of the day. We don't go to movies, the theater or malls because of the fragrance thing. Be considerate. Just because it smells good to you doesn't mean it smells good to everyone.0
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No no no0
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Perfume has the added problem of possibly attracting wasps and bees.dudasd1973 wrote: »Let's not forget on walking/running trails. Nothing like running past somebody bathed in the stuff and gagging...
http://www.courierpostonline.com/story/life/home-garden/2015/05/04/avoid-scents-attract-bees/26877045/
Of course you could always try Axe and see if it repels bees just as much as it does humans.
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Perfume has the added problem of possibly attracting wasps and bees.dudasd1973 wrote: »Let's not forget on walking/running trails. Nothing like running past somebody bathed in the stuff and gagging...
http://www.courierpostonline.com/story/life/home-garden/2015/05/04/avoid-scents-attract-bees/26877045/
Of course you could always try Axe and see if it repels bees just as much as it does humans.
If so, I'd rather have the bees.3 -
My aunt is terrible when it comes to drenching herself. She takes a perfectly OK smelling scent and then overdoses and ruins it. It's hard to be in the same room with her, and forget about riding in a car with her. Even outdoors you can smell her coming.
Over time, perfume/cologne wearers become less sensitive to their scents and start layering on more and more so they can keep smelling it. While the rest of us can smell one squirt, they need 12. That's why these people walk around smelling like a HAZMAT zone. They don't even know how strong it is to the rest of us.3 -
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I would not intentionally put on perfume just going to the gym. However, if I go straight from work I have remnants of perfume on me from getting ready in the a.m.0
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I'm shocked at all the no's. I never really thought about it.2
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STLBADGIRL wrote: »I'm shocked at all the no's. I never really thought about it.
I work with some people who are huggers who wear cologne/ perfume and I do my best to avoid them.
Once those chemicals are on my clothes or in my hair, I get a headache that can last the rest of the day.1 -
STLBADGIRL wrote: »I'm shocked at all the no's. I never really thought about it.
I work with some people who are huggers who wear cologne/ perfume and I do my best to avoid them.
Once those chemicals are on my clothes or in my hair, I get a headache that can last the rest of the day.
I'm the same. I was on a crowded train a few months ago and ended up going and buying a new top half way through the day because some lady's perfume had rubbed off on me and my shoulder stank like her.2 -
I think body spray is ok. Not like all out perfume/cologne. Like, it's not a night club but this isn't a deli either. I don't want to smell hot italian hoagie while I'm running. Just saying.0
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