I'm having issues and not sure why.
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AsylumTourGuide wrote: »I know lots of my weight is in muscle because I can see it. I find my genetics a bit unfortunate because I'm a woman and women aren't supposed to be this muscular. I don't do weight training atm but I do repeatedly walk through 9 acres of floor space and up and down four flights of stairs all day. My legs...ugh...they're big. My arms are pretty defined as well but Idk why. I don't lift anything other than kids. Calorie tracking is something I've just started today. I have eaten less than 1500 calories so far today and since I've actually had time to eat today this is a lot for me.
Love, woman are supposed to have muscles. otherwise we'd not be able to stand upright. Plus muscles are good! They need more energy than fat. And more importantly, they keep your bones strong and prevent osteoporosis. Apart from that: Women tend to store fat on their thighs. I'm sure you don't have bigger thighs due to muscles but a combination of both.5 -
Lol, that's exactly what he does. Today was your turn. The woo is strong with this one!CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »AsylumTourGuide wrote: »Means nothing notable. My weight fluctuates normally and on average there has been no loss in the past few weeks. .5 lbs a week doesn't seem like very much at all. I would rather lose more than that.
if you need to lose 25lb 0.5lb/week is about right. anything more than that would most likely be too aggressive. you wont lose every week either sadly its how weight loss works because weight loss is not linear.you cant lose a small amount of weight quickly and safely.The less you have to lose the slower it is and should be.if you are losing 0.5lb/week it means you have a 250 calorie deficit.
She's 5'9" and 205. Losing more than 0.5lb/week is perfectly fine. Just because her goals is to lose 25lbs doesn't mean anything in terms of weight loss per week. Telling someone to diet for another year to lose 25 pounds which wouldn't even put someone in their ideal weight is horrible advice. Literally telling her to lose 1% of her weight a month when realistically it could easily be more like 1% of your weight a week if you're overweight or obese
first of all the less weight you have to lose, the less per week you should be trying to lose. especially if you dont have the fat stores like you did at a larger weight. so no its not bad advice.so you are saying 2lbs a week is ok with so little to lose?.
yes it could be more if you are obese and have more to lose(like more than 75lb) . but clearly she said she needs to lose 25lbs.she already lost a lot in 6 months time and with that fast of a loss,I'm sure there was a decent amount of lean mass lost as well. to safely lose weight you are only supposed to lose a percentage of your weight.saying large and rapid weight loss is ok when you have so little to lose is what is horrible advice.
1% of your total weight is sustainable until you're getting into single digit bf% for men and under 20% for women.
You're not understanding what I'm saying. Just because someone's goal is to lose 25lbs, doesn't mean that's the amount of weight they can lose and still be healthy.
I could be 60 pounds overweight, and my goal is to lose 25-30 pounds, so according to what you're saying, I should lose 0.5lbs/week when in reality, I can very easily lose 2lbs/week. Just because my goal is 25-30 pounds doesn't mean anything in terms of the speed of weight loss.
she said she has about 25lbs of fat that has to go. your body can only safely lose so much bodyfat at a time. losing weight too quickly can result in lean mass loss,which is what I dont think you understand.you arent going to lose 2lbs of only fat per week if you dont have a lot of weight/fat to lose.
8 lbs a month for someone looking to only lose 25lbs is aggressive. That would make a 2lb a week loss a 1000 calorie deficit. we dont even know what her BMR/TDEE is. 1000 calorie deficit may put her under 1200 calories a day.now if she said well I really need to lose 50 lbs then she could go with a higher deficit.not to mention weight loss is not linear either.
So depending on how much she WANTS to lose, that's how much of a calorie deficit should be used?
What does weight loss not being linear have to do with anything?
OMG you are just wanting to argue. because others above also said the same thing I did above yet you are singling me out? please find someone else to argue with.
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tunablue5150 wrote: »"Calorie in, calorie out" and "eat less and move more" are antiquated approaches to weight loss and body conditioning. What you're eating and when you're eating it is very important? If you've got a 16-hour window for eating, you could be sabotaging your chances at additional weight loss.
Take a look at Dr. Jason Fung on Intermittent Fasting (IF) and the Diet Doctor, both on YouTube. Do you have any experience with the LCHF approach?
Also, I would take the muscle over fat any day. If what you have is truly muscle (definition in arms and legs), you should be burning calories big time. Something is amiss.
I hope this is helpful.
It is very, very, very, unlikely that OP has turned into a muscular she-hulk by NOT lifting weights and only going for long walks in the forest. it may be (slightly) more believable if she was talking about lower body muscle, but she is saying her arms are overly muscular as well - this just doesn't make sense. Women have to work super hard and work for years to put on an overly muscular physique. it is even less believable if she is still that overweight that muscle would be coming through so much. something definitely not adding up....10 -
Woo is not helpful,tunablue5150 wrote: »"Calorie in, calorie out" and "eat less and move more" are antiquated approaches to weight loss and body conditioning. What you're eating and when you're eating it is very important? If you've got a 16-hour window for eating, you could be sabotaging your chances at additional weight loss.
Take a look at Dr. Jason Fung on Intermittent Fasting (IF) and the Diet Doctor, both on YouTube. Do you have any experience with the LCHF approach?
Also, I would take the muscle over fat any day. If what you have is truly muscle (definition in arms and legs), you should be burning calories big time. Something is amiss.
I hope this is helpful.4 -
Lol, that's exactly what he does. Today was your turn. The woo is strong with this one!CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »AsylumTourGuide wrote: »Means nothing notable. My weight fluctuates normally and on average there has been no loss in the past few weeks. .5 lbs a week doesn't seem like very much at all. I would rather lose more than that.
if you need to lose 25lb 0.5lb/week is about right. anything more than that would most likely be too aggressive. you wont lose every week either sadly its how weight loss works because weight loss is not linear.you cant lose a small amount of weight quickly and safely.The less you have to lose the slower it is and should be.if you are losing 0.5lb/week it means you have a 250 calorie deficit.
She's 5'9" and 205. Losing more than 0.5lb/week is perfectly fine. Just because her goals is to lose 25lbs doesn't mean anything in terms of weight loss per week. Telling someone to diet for another year to lose 25 pounds which wouldn't even put someone in their ideal weight is horrible advice. Literally telling her to lose 1% of her weight a month when realistically it could easily be more like 1% of your weight a week if you're overweight or obese
first of all the less weight you have to lose, the less per week you should be trying to lose. especially if you dont have the fat stores like you did at a larger weight. so no its not bad advice.so you are saying 2lbs a week is ok with so little to lose?.
yes it could be more if you are obese and have more to lose(like more than 75lb) . but clearly she said she needs to lose 25lbs.she already lost a lot in 6 months time and with that fast of a loss,I'm sure there was a decent amount of lean mass lost as well. to safely lose weight you are only supposed to lose a percentage of your weight.saying large and rapid weight loss is ok when you have so little to lose is what is horrible advice.
1% of your total weight is sustainable until you're getting into single digit bf% for men and under 20% for women.
You're not understanding what I'm saying. Just because someone's goal is to lose 25lbs, doesn't mean that's the amount of weight they can lose and still be healthy.
I could be 60 pounds overweight, and my goal is to lose 25-30 pounds, so according to what you're saying, I should lose 0.5lbs/week when in reality, I can very easily lose 2lbs/week. Just because my goal is 25-30 pounds doesn't mean anything in terms of the speed of weight loss.
she said she has about 25lbs of fat that has to go. your body can only safely lose so much bodyfat at a time. losing weight too quickly can result in lean mass loss,which is what I dont think you understand.you arent going to lose 2lbs of only fat per week if you dont have a lot of weight/fat to lose.
8 lbs a month for someone looking to only lose 25lbs is aggressive. That would make a 2lb a week loss a 1000 calorie deficit. we dont even know what her BMR/TDEE is. 1000 calorie deficit may put her under 1200 calories a day.now if she said well I really need to lose 50 lbs then she could go with a higher deficit.not to mention weight loss is not linear either.
So depending on how much she WANTS to lose, that's how much of a calorie deficit should be used?
What does weight loss not being linear have to do with anything?
OMG you are just wanting to argue. because others above also said the same thing I did above yet you are singling me out? please find someone else to argue with.
ahh ok.kinda noticed that in other threads.the ignore button was engaged on that one.0 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »If you're eating enough protein you will not lose muscle mass
Is this correct? I'm 6'1" and currently 250lbs and looking to get to 185lbs. If theory, could I lose 2lbs of fat per week and if I eat 200g plus of protein per day I can retain lean muscle mass all the way to 185lbs?
I suspect this is not going to be correct but I am no professional.
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RAD_Fitness wrote: »If you're eating enough protein you will not lose muscle mass
Is this correct? I'm 6'1" and currently 250lbs and looking to get to 185lbs. If theory, could I lose 2lbs of fat per week and if I eat 200g plus of protein per day I can retain lean muscle mass all the way to 185lbs?
I suspect this is not going to be correct but I am no professional.
A huge oversimplification. On the other hand, you have 65 lbs to lose. You can afford to be aggressive for a short time. Adequate protein and strength training would be essential for preserving lean mass and keeping the focus on fat loss. If you can stand that level of restriction and remain compliant, you could do it for 25 or so lbs.
Also, a key to the process of getting to a healthy body weight and composition is learning the right habits so that you don't regain the fat.2 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »vespiquenn wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »AsylumTourGuide wrote: »Means nothing notable. My weight fluctuates normally and on average there has been no loss in the past few weeks. .5 lbs a week doesn't seem like very much at all. I would rather lose more than that.
if you need to lose 25lb 0.5lb/week is about right. anything more than that would most likely be too aggressive. you wont lose every week either sadly its how weight loss works because weight loss is not linear.you cant lose a small amount of weight quickly and safely.The less you have to lose the slower it is and should be.if you are losing 0.5lb/week it means you have a 250 calorie deficit.
She's 5'9" and 205. Losing more than 0.5lb/week is perfectly fine. Just because her goals is to lose 25lbs doesn't mean anything in terms of weight loss per week. Telling someone to diet for another year to lose 25 pounds which wouldn't even put someone in their ideal weight is horrible advice. Literally telling her to lose 1% of her weight a month when realistically it could easily be more like 1% of your weight a week if you're overweight or obese
first of all the less weight you have to lose, the less per week you should be trying to lose. especially if you dont have the fat stores like you did at a larger weight. so no its not bad advice.so you are saying 2lbs a week is ok with so little to lose?.
yes it could be more if you are obese and have more to lose(like more than 75lb) . but clearly she said she needs to lose 25lbs.she already lost a lot in 6 months time and with that fast of a loss,I'm sure there was a decent amount of lean mass lost as well. to safely lose weight you are only supposed to lose a percentage of your weight.saying large and rapid weight loss is ok when you have so little to lose is what is horrible advice.
1% of your total weight is sustainable until you're getting into single digit bf% for men and under 20% for women.
You're not understanding what I'm saying. Just because someone's goal is to lose 25lbs, doesn't mean that's the amount of weight they can lose and still be healthy.
I could be 60 pounds overweight, and my goal is to lose 25-30 pounds, so according to what you're saying, I should lose 0.5lbs/week when in reality, I can very easily lose 2lbs/week. Just because my goal is 25-30 pounds doesn't mean anything in terms of the speed of weight loss.
OP is ~35lbs overweight, so we are still only talking a pound a week.
Why only a pound a week? Everyone is so convinced you have to drastically slow down your weight loss. If you're eating enough protein you will not lose muscle mass, if you don't change any muscle stimulus you've already been getting, while losing 1.5-2lbs a week until you get LEAN and then you can go down to 0.5-1.0lb per week when you're on your last 10-12 pounds of fat to get to essential fat/no subcutaneous fat, not when you're 35 pounds overweight
there's a cap on the amount of body fat you can lose in any given time frame. so even if OP has 50 pounds she 'could' lose, unless she's super focused on protein intake and serious about strength training she's going to lose lbm at a high rate along with fat. not ideal.1 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »AsylumTourGuide wrote: »Means nothing notable. My weight fluctuates normally and on average there has been no loss in the past few weeks. .5 lbs a week doesn't seem like very much at all. I would rather lose more than that.
if you need to lose 25lb 0.5lb/week is about right. anything more than that would most likely be too aggressive. you wont lose every week either sadly its how weight loss works because weight loss is not linear.you cant lose a small amount of weight quickly and safely.The less you have to lose the slower it is and should be.if you are losing 0.5lb/week it means you have a 250 calorie deficit.
She's 5'9" and 205. Losing more than 0.5lb/week is perfectly fine. Just because her goals is to lose 25lbs doesn't mean anything in terms of weight loss per week. Telling someone to diet for another year to lose 25 pounds which wouldn't even put someone in their ideal weight is horrible advice. Literally telling her to lose 1% of her weight a month when realistically it could easily be more like 1% of your weight a week if you're overweight or obese
first of all the less weight you have to lose, the less per week you should be trying to lose. especially if you dont have the fat stores like you did at a larger weight. so no its not bad advice.so you are saying 2lbs a week is ok with so little to lose?.
yes it could be more if you are obese and have more to lose(like more than 75lb) . but clearly she said she needs to lose 25lbs.she already lost a lot in 6 months time and with that fast of a loss,I'm sure there was a decent amount of lean mass lost as well. to safely lose weight you are only supposed to lose a percentage of your weight.saying large and rapid weight loss is ok when you have so little to lose is what is horrible advice.
At her stats 5-9, 205,she's got a LOT more than 25 lbs of fat to lose. So just because she may only think she needs to lose 25 lbs, she's no where near that zone of needing to lose slowly at 0.5 lbs per week. She's very very likely to have much less muscle than she's claiming. All one needs to do is some simple bf%calcs to see how much lean body mass she'd have to have to only need 25lbs lost. For a women who doesn't strength train, she'd have more LBM than most men who do strength train.5 -
AsylumTourGuide wrote: »I'm a tour guide. I walk all day. I don't eat very much. I definitely feel like I should still be losing weight. I've lost 60lbs this year already. I'm 5'9 and 205lbs. Lots of my weight is in muscle but I know there is still about 25lbs in fat that needs to go. Any suggestions? Btw some fitness friends would be nice. I don't know anybody who likes to workout so I have been in this alone.
Your thread has unfortunately turned into a bit of a battle among other posters. It happens here sometimes. Please do not let the behavior of a few discourage you.
A short logic trail for you to follow:
1. Eating at a deficit is the way to lose weight over time.
2. Your body is always using energy, 24-7.
3. Eating less than what your body is using = deficit. In general, a 500 calorie deficit daily should average 1 pound lost per week.
4. Different people use different amounts of energy daily. This depends on their stats (gender, height, weight, age), activity level and exercise habits.
So what about you? Based on the information you provided (height, weight, daily activity) a conservative estimate is that you use about 2250-2450 calories per day, without any intentional exercise. Really, this is the starting point for determining a reasonable weight loss goal (per week). While 2 pounds might be a bit aggressive (eating 1250-1450) - aiming for 1.5 pounds would be pretty reasonable in my opinion for a calorie goal of 1500-1700.
For comparison, daily I burn about 1850-2000 calories most days based on my size, activity level, exercise habits. It WOULD NOT be possible/reasonable for me to try to average 2 pounds lost per week as that would mean eating 850-1000 daily.
But what else do you need to know? Weight loss does not happen every day or even every week. As you know already your body's weight fluctuates naturally. Weight loss is thus a trend and happens over time. So accurately & honestly log your food, eat 1500-1700 or so calories per day, and be patient. You should see results. But those 3 things are the keys: accuracy of your food logging, honesty to log everything you take in, and patience.5 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »RAD_Fitness wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »AsylumTourGuide wrote: »Means nothing notable. My weight fluctuates normally and on average there has been no loss in the past few weeks. .5 lbs a week doesn't seem like very much at all. I would rather lose more than that.
if you need to lose 25lb 0.5lb/week is about right. anything more than that would most likely be too aggressive. you wont lose every week either sadly its how weight loss works because weight loss is not linear.you cant lose a small amount of weight quickly and safely.The less you have to lose the slower it is and should be.if you are losing 0.5lb/week it means you have a 250 calorie deficit.
She's 5'9" and 205. Losing more than 0.5lb/week is perfectly fine. Just because her goals is to lose 25lbs doesn't mean anything in terms of weight loss per week. Telling someone to diet for another year to lose 25 pounds which wouldn't even put someone in their ideal weight is horrible advice. Literally telling her to lose 1% of her weight a month when realistically it could easily be more like 1% of your weight a week if you're overweight or obese
first of all the less weight you have to lose, the less per week you should be trying to lose. especially if you dont have the fat stores like you did at a larger weight. so no its not bad advice.so you are saying 2lbs a week is ok with so little to lose?.
yes it could be more if you are obese and have more to lose(like more than 75lb) . but clearly she said she needs to lose 25lbs.she already lost a lot in 6 months time and with that fast of a loss,I'm sure there was a decent amount of lean mass lost as well. to safely lose weight you are only supposed to lose a percentage of your weight.saying large and rapid weight loss is ok when you have so little to lose is what is horrible advice.
At her stats 5-9, 205,she's got a LOT more than 25 lbs of fat to lose. So just because she may only think she needs to lose 25 lbs, she's no where near that zone of needing to lose slowly at 0.5 lbs per week. She's very very likely to have much less muscle than she's claiming. All one needs to do is some simple bf%calcs to see how much lean body mass she'd have to have to only need 25lbs lost. For a women who doesn't strength train, she'd have more LBM than most men who do strength train.
missing the point and others have said the same thing I have. so are you going to single just me out too? we dont know what her body fat % is or her muscle mass % either,and those calculators are just an estimates . I never said she had a lot of muscle.maybe she wants to be around a certain weight for her to say she only has 25lbs to lose? again she can only lose so much body fat at a time anyway.. so she has about a 250 calorie deficit. there is nothing wrong with that. others have said a lb would be fine. it could be but when a person says they only have 25lbs of fat to lose, trying to lose it too quickly will also result in loss of lean mass(which includes muscle). she already lost a good bit in a short time.
also she says that she doesnt eat much through the day,(deficit says otherwise) but if she is say undereating that also is not good to lose quickly without the proper nutrition either.maybe she feels better around the 180s? not everyone wants to be ripped and have really low body fat either.some feel better at a weight that may classify them as overweight. But Im not arguing with you either. so adios3 -
Muscleflex79 wrote: »tunablue5150 wrote: »"Calorie in, calorie out" and "eat less and move more" are antiquated approaches to weight loss and body conditioning. What you're eating and when you're eating it is very important? If you've got a 16-hour window for eating, you could be sabotaging your chances at additional weight loss.
Take a look at Dr. Jason Fung on Intermittent Fasting (IF) and the Diet Doctor, both on YouTube. Do you have any experience with the LCHF approach?
Also, I would take the muscle over fat any day. If what you have is truly muscle (definition in arms and legs), you should be burning calories big time. Something is amiss.
I hope this is helpful.
It is very, very, very, unlikely that OP has turned into a muscular she-hulk by NOT lifting weights and only going for long walks in the forest. it may be (slightly) more believable if she was talking about lower body muscle, but she is saying her arms are overly muscular as well - this just doesn't make sense. Women have to work super hard and work for years to put on an overly muscular physique. it is even less believable if she is still that overweight that muscle would be coming through so much. something definitely not adding up....
I think it likely that it's just that she stores more fat in her lower body. It's not all that unusual to be able to see muscle definition in the arms before seeing it in the legs. It also doesn't necessarily mean there's a lot of muscle mass.
I also think OP is not really aware of what our concept of 'a lot of muscle' would look like on her. Some people think that any muscle definition equates to 'a lot of muscle'. And some women want very little if any muscle definition.3 -
RAD_Fitness wrote: »If you're eating enough protein you will not lose muscle mass
Is this correct? I'm 6'1" and currently 250lbs and looking to get to 185lbs. If theory, could I lose 2lbs of fat per week and if I eat 200g plus of protein per day I can retain lean muscle mass all the way to 185lbs?
I suspect this is not going to be correct but I am no professional.
If you're eating over 200g of protein a day, and being 250lbs, you can very easily lose 2lbs per week probably until you get down to somewhere between 190-205, unless your already VERY muscular, which then may be closer to 210. Once you're there, you can probably lose at 1.5lb/week until you're around 185-200, and then down to 0.5lb-1.0lb until you're 170-185. It really just depends on how lean you'd be at those weights, that's why I gave it such a broad weight range, if you have an idea of how much lean mass you currently have then that would be more helpful. But until you're at about 200lbs, unless you're very muscular and 200lbs would put you under 10-12%bf you are very able to lose 2lbs/week with adequate protein.
This is all assuming you don't change your training stimulus. i.e if you're working out, don't stop working out and expect muscle to stay around. But if you're not training, you're not going to lose very much muscle.1
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