I'm frustrated, tired, and hangry. [rant]
Geocitiesuser
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I'm so hangry I feel like I could rip someone's face off with my fingers. "Just eat more" "increase your calories" "You need to eat more xyz" "drink more water" blah blah, I don't care. After 130lbs I've been trapped in a quagmire of gaining and losing the same 10lbs over and over, always staying around 15lbs away from my goal weight for about four months now. The lower my weight goes, the hangrier I get, and the more likely I am to wig out, eat a bunch of food, and repeat the process of gaining and losing the same 10lbs.
The "real" answer is only that it will take another year or two to get to where I want to be in terms of bodyfat percentage. This is a marathon and not a sprint. I don't need anyone's advice because I already know what I'm doing. It's just not "comfortable". Two years of calorie deficit doesn't "feel nice". If it was so "easy" everyone would have already done it.
When the changes I hoped to see weight loss bring about don't materialize, I feel defeated. Especially when I have to read threads from people who did get those changes from weight loss. I just have to suck it up and keep going. I'm already in vastly better shape than a good portion of the population. It's just not enough. Every month at inadvertent maintenance, on the bright side, is a month of inadvertent body recomp. I'll get there. If I don't lose my mind first.
The "real" answer is only that it will take another year or two to get to where I want to be in terms of bodyfat percentage. This is a marathon and not a sprint. I don't need anyone's advice because I already know what I'm doing. It's just not "comfortable". Two years of calorie deficit doesn't "feel nice". If it was so "easy" everyone would have already done it.
When the changes I hoped to see weight loss bring about don't materialize, I feel defeated. Especially when I have to read threads from people who did get those changes from weight loss. I just have to suck it up and keep going. I'm already in vastly better shape than a good portion of the population. It's just not enough. Every month at inadvertent maintenance, on the bright side, is a month of inadvertent body recomp. I'll get there. If I don't lose my mind first.
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I hear you.
Sometimes it's a b**ch of a journey. Nothing people say will help. Regardless of the resources and support at your disposal, ultimately, you're on your own with this and that can totally suck.
All the best to you and gritting your way through this.3 -
Thanks friend!0
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Besides the scale, what other changes have you enjoyed from the stupendous 130 pound loss?2
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I'm swole. I'm almost into a 30" waist at 6' 185lbs. wearing large cut smalls and small cut medium shirts comfortably. If not for the loose skin I'd look a lot better naked than I do now, but it will come with time. All of my fitness markers are great now. The goal has always been aesthetics and outside validation though. Whether people want to shame me for that or not I'm beyond caring about. Other than that I'm just hungry/hangry. lol. I like what I see in the mirror, but it's still not enough for other people. So the grind continues.0
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Ever since the day I hit "normal" BMI it's like my body has been completely rebelling against the idea of becoming lighter. My long term goal is to stay under 184lbs for eternity, my theoretical goal weight for very low body fat is somewhere between 170 and 175, but all I do is bounce between 180 and 190 over and over. I get down close to the 170s and the hunger gets so ravenous I can't think straight. All it takes is one pizza to myself eaten in a blind fury of hunger to make the scale jump up 6-8lbs over night and it always takes a few days for the hunger to subside.
When I was very overweight my issue was emotional eating. Now that I'm very close to being "Fit", my over eating stems from raw ravenous hunger like I never experienced before.
I'm entering the cycle again. I'm going on vacation soon to the beach. I've been great on my diet, and the hanger. OMFG the hanger. I lay in bed at night telling myself that it's okay to feel hungry. I went a little over my calories the other day and ate close to 2400 calories and was stricken with shame and guilt. I'll get to where I need to be, but it's a tight rope walk of sanity.0 -
The truth is you could look perfect and still not ever have other people's approval. Maybe you oughta work on building up your character/interests. When I was anorexic, I could never be thin enough. It took a lot of time and damage to my health (physically and mentally) before I realized that while it's nice to have other's approve of my body it meant literally nothing because I wasn't accepting of myself the way I was. I'm not saying this relates to your situation exactly, I just want to encourage you to look at your situation from another perspective. There are plenty of overweight, out of shape people who are funnier, more charming and interesting than I am. Being fit might make us feel better but it doesn't change who we are necessarily. That takes more work I think. My point is, keep working on your body but don't let it make you miserable. Take your time and work on other areas of your life you'd like to improve as well.5
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I worked on "other areas of my life" my entire life, and I've benefited greatly from it in various ways. That time is over. Now we focus on the physical.1
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buggleuh749 wrote: »The truth is you could look perfect and still not ever have other people's approval. Maybe you oughta work on building up your character/interests. When I was anorexic, I could never be thin enough. It took a lot of time and damage to my health (physically and mentally) before I realized that while it's nice to have other's approve of my body it meant literally nothing because I wasn't accepting of myself the way I was. I'm not saying this relates to your situation exactly, I just want to encourage you to look at your situation from another perspective. There are plenty of overweight, out of shape people who are funnier, more charming and interesting than I am. Being fit might make us feel better but it doesn't change who we are necessarily. That takes more work I think. My point is, keep working on your body but don't let it make you miserable. Take your time and work on other areas of your life you'd like to improve as well.
I think this is great advice.
I always wonder at posts like yours, OP, if when the person finally makes it to goal will the hunger be any better since they will be switching to maintenance and will have a few more calories. I have an arbitrary number in my head I would like to reach as well, but I'm not going to lie to you if I get too hungry all bets are off.
I would be interested in an update once you reach goal and whether or not the hunger is any better.0 -
I'm curious about that too (the hunger thing). I assume my hunger levels will be much more managable when I'm eating at maintenance or slowly bulking consistently. I think the hunger stems from multiple days of calorie deficit, so even though I end up "eating at maintenance" it's like 7 days deficit and 3 days surplus, so I still get the hunger pangs.
This is also partly my fault for having my calories so low, but if I don't keep them low the scale just doesn't want to budge. I average roughly 1800-1900 calories and 190-200g of protein every day.
It's mentally tough to go from consistently losing 2lbs a week to the screeching halt that it has otherwise become.
There's a lot of frustration in this chart towards the end.
90 days of the binge purge yo yo etc visualized. The blank spots are usually fasting days of about 500 calories that I don't log.
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So your plan is to beat your body in to shape until all the naysayers fall at your feet in awe.
There are too many idiots in the world to please them all.
I suggest you make peace with your body and thank it for going along with the plan so far. Give it a medal (tattoo?).
Maybe come up with a compromise and promise to eat at maintenance this weekend.
You and your body can throw the world a great big raspberry because you have already succeeded at life.7 -
So your plan is to beat your body in to shape until all the naysayers fall at your feet in awe.
Correct. It doesn't have to be in awe. But being treated like a human being worthy of a bit of affection from time to time by someone I'm attracted to would be nice. I'm really not sorry that this seems to offend so many people.0 -
It just occurred to me that Schwarzenegger figured it all out. He started with his body but he achieved in so many other forums. I wonder how many days he stressed about the scale?0
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I'm not schwarzenegger nor will I ever be. He made a career out of obsessing over the scale, bodyfat %, and aesthetics....0
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It's the body beating part that worries me. Life's too short. It's the only body you've got.1
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Hence the frustration of trying to beat it into shape while I'm still young enough to enjoy it. I think I look great. I'd love to wake up next to me in the morning, in fact I do! But it's not up to me. I know what I want, it's shallow and vain but I don't care. One life to live, one chance to make it happen.1
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Hah, but I'm a old grandma. Tell me how effective this is, "The beatings will continue until morale improves." You get multiple chances, and the woman of your dreams should be generous enough to offer you many. But if you can't even forgive yourself? Who wants to hang out with a hangry fella? Be generous with yourself, find a generous woman.5
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Eat at maintenance for a couple of weeks.4
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TavistockToad wrote: »Eat at maintenance for a couple of weeks.
This. Have you ever taken a diet break?2 -
Hah, but I'm a old grandma. Tell me how effective this is, "The beatings will continue until morale improves." You get multiple chances, and the woman of your dreams should be generous enough to offer you many. But if you can't even forgive yourself? Who wants to hang out with a hangry fella? Be generous with yourself, find a generous woman.
lol I would not want to be anyone around me right now lol. Believe me there is no intention to try to hang out with anyone right now until I'm a little further a long and I can find some firmer ground to stand on diet wise.0 -
TavistockToad wrote: »Eat at maintenance for a couple of weeks.
This. Have you ever taken a diet break?
I took 3 months or so off about a year and a half ago. Whether I hit my goal weight or not by winter I plan on taking a short break when the cooler weather rolls in and I'm not going topless in public.0 -
Geocitiesuser wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »Eat at maintenance for a couple of weeks.
This. Have you ever taken a diet break?
I took 3 months or so off about a year and a half ago. Whether I hit my goal weight or not by winter I plan on taking a short break when the cooler weather rolls in and I'm not going topless in public.
I'd think about taking a week or two at maintenance sooner rather than later. Two weeks won't make a noticeable change in your physique either way, but it might help your hunger and your frustration levels.3 -
Maybe after vacation, but I'll be topless and in the sun for much of august. There's no way I could mentally bring myself to take a break right now. There's a lot of pressure (from myself) to be in top form possible.0
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Geocitiesuser wrote: »So your plan is to beat your body in to shape until all the naysayers fall at your feet in awe.
Correct. It doesn't have to be in awe. But being treated like a human being worthy of a bit of affection from time to time by someone I'm attracted to would be nice. I'm really not sorry that this seems to offend so many people.
I was with you until I saw this one.
What happens when you actually reach your goal weight and goal body fat percentage but the "being treated like a human being worthy of a bit of affection from time to time by someone I'm attracted to" doesn't come with it?
This back and forth battle with your body might be something you're focusing on, when what you might need to start thinking about is... What if the excess weight wasn't the real issue?
I haven't had personal experience with losing a ton of weight and then realizing this sort of thing, but I've lurked long enough to see posts that are similar. I think the advice is always to see someone who could help you talk these issues out. Maybe getting a jump start on that will help you get to goal without the physical and emotional battle you seem to be going through? Just a suggestion.
I hope you succeed, and I hope you find what you're looking for when you get there.2 -
What happens when you actually reach your goal weight and goal body fat percentage but the "being treated like a human being worthy of a bit of affection from time to time by someone I'm attracted to" doesn't come with it?
Then I continue grinding in the gym until I find the right person.
What if that doesn't happen?
Then I continue living my life.
A lot of people seem to get bent out of shape if men admit wanting to find a mate as a motivating factor. I don't know why. There are countless threads on the success stories (and on other websites) about how guys suddenly have so much attention they're sick of it after losing weight. Well, I just want a little bit of attention. I really wish it didn't offend a certain segment so much that men want attention, but it does.
Any sort of implication saying it's not my body is unfortunately a jab at me as a person. Unfortunately I disagree with that. My personality and character are great. Certainly no better or worse than anyone else's. So to say that I somehow am not good enough for the opposite sex because of some sort of personality flaw is a bit offensive.
"Hey, this guy made a thread about being hangry and frustrated, he must be a horrible person that no one can get along with!" is really how it comes across to me, whether that is the attention or not.1 -
@Geocitiesuser You have posted a lot about wanting to get your body to the point where someone will be attracted to you. The problem with your goal isn't that it's vain (we're all at least a little vain), it's that you are tying an un-shallow goal to a shallow benchmark.
Go sit on a bench at the mall or a park and look at couples holding hands - are they all in great shape? Are they all thin or fit? Have they all achieved the best body they could and NOW they finally attracted someone? Of course not.
You seem to have decided that there is some goal body you need to achieve, before you can lay off your diet and exercise restrictions, before you can attempt to find an SO. But real world examples show plenty of people who have found someone while still working on themselves physically or while not even bothering to work on themselves. It is NOT your physicality that is holding you back, it is your feelings about your physicality. And the unfortunate fact is that changing your body probably won't change your feelings about your body. Just like anorexics who keep telling themselves "If I just lost 10 more lbs, I would be happy" over and over and over again until they are 70 lbs and their body gives out.
I think unfortunately being 100 lbs overweight can keep someone who would otherwise like you from giving a relationship a shot. But being 15 lbs overweight will not in most cases. I think all anyone here is trying to tell you is that you are not going to feel better about yourself in 15 lbs. There will be some other negative voice in your head telling you you still need to lose 5 lbs more, or now you need more muscles, or now you aren't tall enough, or now blah blah blah. Take a break from beating yourself into a particular shape and use the time to deal with that voice instead.
I speak as someone who could probably use some professional help with my confidence and feelings of self worth myself, so I both know of whence I speak and am kind of being a hypocrite at the same time Hang in there and please take care of yourself.8 -
I think unfortunately being 100 lbs overweight can keep someone who would otherwise like you from giving a relationship a shot. But being 15 lbs overweight will not in most cases.
Considering I'm still at a zero percent reply rate on the personals, this is all I have to go on. I'm still being treated the same way I was at 330lbs as I am at 180lbs. Personality is not a factor when no one speaks to you. I apparently have a face only a mother can love, and all other facets of my life are doing quite well. So all I can do at this point is keep grinding. Maybe it will work, maybe it won't, but it's my goal. It has been for a very long time. That offends people, but I have a knack for being more blunt and honest than most.0 -
And for the record this has veered entirely off course from the original premise of the fact that I'm just hungry af. lol. Everything else is just background noise.1
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Man, I hear that. People like to say you're doing it wrong if it's hard/yr suffering. Not necessarily. Some things in life are just not easy any way you slice it and this is one of them.1
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Geocitiesuser wrote: »What happens when you actually reach your goal weight and goal body fat percentage but the "being treated like a human being worthy of a bit of affection from time to time by someone I'm attracted to" doesn't come with it?
Then I continue grinding in the gym until I find the right person.
What if that doesn't happen?
Then I continue living my life.
A lot of people seem to get bent out of shape if men admit wanting to find a mate as a motivating factor. I don't know why. There are countless threads on the success stories (and on other websites) about how guys suddenly have so much attention they're sick of it after losing weight. Well, I just want a little bit of attention. I really wish it didn't offend a certain segment so much that men want attention, but it does.
Any sort of implication saying it's not my body is unfortunately a jab at me as a person. Unfortunately I disagree with that. My personality and character are great. Certainly no better or worse than anyone else's. So to say that I somehow am not good enough for the opposite sex because of some sort of personality flaw is a bit offensive.
"Hey, this guy made a thread about being hangry and frustrated, he must be a horrible person that no one can get along with!" is really how it comes across to me, whether that is the attention or not.
Actually, I didn't make any sort of assumption about your personality or character. I'm sure they're great. And no, I don't think men wanting to find a mate is so horrible. How is that any different from a woman wanting to be more attractive by getting slimmer? In fact, I don't even know who you're talking about when you say that the idea that men want attention would "offend a certain segment." I certainly don't find that offensive, and don't know anyone who would be offended by that.
I was expressing caution with putting external validation so high on your list of reasons to get to your goal weight. If what you heard is "Hey, this guy made a thread about being hangry and frustrated, he must be a horrible person that no one can get along with!" from my well-meaning post, then I think that might be part of what you're putting out there... but it didn't come from me.
When I said "that might not be the real issue", I certainly didn't mean that the real issue is you must be a horrible person. I meant that oftentimes looking for external validation as a measure of personal worth does not bring about satisfactory results. Even when the external validation comes, it might not bring happiness or satisfaction.
At the risk of sounding cheesy, focus on appreciating yourself and your accomplishments first and then finding someone who reflects that back to you might sort of... fall into place.
But if that also comes across to you like I'm saying "you're not good enough, you must suck as a person," then... all I can say is again, I hope you succeed, and I hope you find what you're looking for when you get there.
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Geocitiesuser wrote: »And for the record this has veered entirely off course from the original premise of the fact that I'm just hungry af. lol. Everything else is just background noise.
Sorry I do still want to lose another 5-10, so i know what you mean about feeling like you have already done everything you can do and why won't the number on the scale just get there already. Hope things get back to moving in the right direction for ya, one way or the other1
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