Fake vegetarian meat vs protein shakes.
Buckeye19XX
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Should I replace faux meat with protein shakes? I eat faux meat at least once a day. Would it be better to have two protein shakes a day compared to eating so much fake meat? Does it make a difference?
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Which one do you enjoy consuming more? Are they about the same in calories and protein? If so, then eat what you prefer.6
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The protein shakes would end up being much lower in sodium, fat, carbs, and higher in protein but I do enjoy the taste of the fake meats.0
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The meats you speak of; are they soy based? If so, I would recommend switching to more protein shake. I have read a few reputable studies that correlate soy based diets and certain cancers (just a correlation though). Also; if you chose a vegan protein shake (we LOVE) Vega One, or Vega Sport if you want more protein, you will be providing a whole host of nutritious superfoods to your diet.17
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The meats are soy based and contain quite a bit of sodium and fat. If I were to lower my consumption of the fake meats, my protein would come from dairy and protein powder. Is that healthy?1
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A lot of my protein comes from Protein powder and dairy. Fake meat... I don't even want to think about what that is.10
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I'd stick with a variety. There is a reason we wean babies off milk and pablum. Why not broaden your sources to include eggs, seitan and pulses?
Your fake meat uses soy as a source.
Your protein shakes are depending on whey and casein most likely.
You may also want to try recipes using TVP (soy).
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PS Dairy protein source is whey and casein too. I find it harder to hit my protein goal using milk as the lactose content pushes up the carb count. Greek Yogurt is better.1
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Christine_72 wrote: »A lot of my protein comes from Protein powder and dairy. Fake meat... I don't even want to think about what that is.
Well, it depends. I make my own seitan, so I know it's mainly vital wheat gluten, with some nutritional yeast, seasonings, a bit of soy sauce, and some oil.
Note that I also eat veggie dogs and Gardein. If I were on a sodium-restricted diet, I probably wouldn't, but they're filling and convenient and I also do a lot of cooking from scratch.
OP: it's a matter of preference. If your goal is to reduce your sodium (or something else in the fake meats), have at it. Otherwise, no real issue either way.3 -
Why not sometimes eat fake meat, and sometimes have a protein shake?8
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I agree with the above poster. I've been vegetarian for a few years and sometimes I eat fake meat (because it's delicious) and sometimes I have protein shakes (because I also think they're delicious). Just do what fits into your life and what keeps you happy and satisfied.1
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Ironically it perplexes me that people that want to just be vegan/vegetarians always seem to want some fake "meat". And isn't that what they are trying not to promote eating? Doesn't just the name "meat" conflict?
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No more than 'soymilk' conflicts with dairy. I don't promote anything. I'm married to an omnivore and I cook meat for him. I just don't taste it.8
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Ironically it perplexes me that people that want to just be vegan/vegetarians always seem to want some fake "meat". And isn't that what they are trying not to promote eating? Doesn't just the name "meat" conflict?
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I've never tasted meat, so I wouldn't crave for fake meat. However, there is nothing wrong in people who liked the taste of meat but gave it up for their ethical reasons to consume fake meat. It's a win win.13 -
Ironically it perplexes me that people that want to just be vegan/vegetarians always seem to want some fake "meat". And isn't that what they are trying not to promote eating? Doesn't just the name "meat" conflict?
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I'm a vegetarian who thinks meat tastes really good. When people tell me that made some kalua pig or smoke meat or ate a laulau (Hawaiian foods, since I'm from Hawaii) I think it sounds great. However I don't want to kill an animal to feed myself and I also believe that eating meat on a consistent basis isn't very good for you. Does that mean I don't miss the taste of meat and the dishes I used to eat? Of course not. So I will eat fake meat so I can enjoy a different version of things I used to eat regularly and I don't think it's very perplexing at all. Also, I'm personally not promoting anything and whatever anyone thinks is right for them is fine by me.
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What about using other protein sources at your meal instead of the "fake meat" or protein shakes?
Beans, pulses, quinoa are all relatively high in protein as well as all important fiber which you may not be getting (in sufficient amounts) from a protein shake.
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Ironically it perplexes me that people that want to just be vegan/vegetarians always seem to want some fake "meat". And isn't that what they are trying not to promote eating? Doesn't just the name "meat" conflict?
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I didn't go vegetarian because I don't like the taste or texture of meat. I went vegetarian because I made an ethical decision not to eat dead animals. Eating meat substitutes doesn't promote eating animals.
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Re soy, there is no evidence of any health effects of eating soy. It's been a mainstay of oriental diets for ages.
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Eat both if you like both. Switch it up day to day.
This thread reminds me of this, which cracks me up.
https://youtu.be/z0O_VYcsIk8
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SarahLascelles1 wrote: »Re soy, there is no evidence of any health effects of eating soy. It's been a mainstay of oriental diets for ages.
There have been a couple of cases where soy milk has been linked to reduced testosterone and feminizing effects on men. For that fear alone, I avoid soy in any form.10 -
I became a vegetarian after I had a stroke and could no longer swallow or digest meat. Now I eat a wide and varied plant based diet,
I have never tried fake meat, but eat a lot of lentils, beans, nuts and seeds. Protein shakes are great used with fresh berries and bananas.
I don't know why I didn't become a vegetarian years ago.
I also see how the demand for meat has been seen the treatment of animals being packed into cages the size of a postage stamp, I couldn't in good conscience ever eat meat again.
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SarahLascelles1 wrote: »Re soy, there is no evidence of any health effects of eating soy. It's been a mainstay of oriental diets for ages.
There have been a couple of cases where soy milk has been linked to reduced testosterone and feminizing effects on men. For that fear alone, I avoid soy in any form.
I think soy's fairly high in plant oestrogens.
After our GP took my mum off HRT, she suggested increased soy consumption to boost my mum's oestrogen and minimise menopause side effects. Seemed to work quite well.
The OP's profile lists female, so maybe less of a concern in this case!2 -
Christine_72 wrote: »A lot of my protein comes from Protein powder and dairy. Fake meat... I don't even want to think about what that is.
It's usually based on soy or wheat gluten, two perfectly acceptable foods.5 -
Ironically it perplexes me that people that want to just be vegan/vegetarians always seem to want some fake "meat". And isn't that what they are trying not to promote eating? Doesn't just the name "meat" conflict?
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I went vegan for ethical reasons, not because I didn't like the taste of meat. Would it be easier for you to understand if we just came up with an entirely new name for it?
It's like plant milk, the name is just a way to conveniently signify the item that it is replacing.7 -
SarahLascelles1 wrote: »Re soy, there is no evidence of any health effects of eating soy. It's been a mainstay of oriental diets for ages.
There have been a couple of cases where soy milk has been linked to reduced testosterone and feminizing effects on men. For that fear alone, I avoid soy in any form.
In all cases of which I am aware, these (rare) cases were linked to men who were consuming much more soy than average (in one case, 14 servings a day for a year; another 12 servings a day) and resolved once servings were cut down. Avoiding soy entirely seems like an over-reaction.6 -
janejellyroll wrote: »SarahLascelles1 wrote: »Re soy, there is no evidence of any health effects of eating soy. It's been a mainstay of oriental diets for ages.
There have been a couple of cases where soy milk has been linked to reduced testosterone and feminizing effects on men. For that fear alone, I avoid soy in any form.
In all cases of which I am aware, these (rare) cases were linked to men who were consuming much more soy than average (in one case, 14 servings a day for a year; another 12 servings a day) and resolved once servings were cut down. Avoiding soy entirely seems like an over-reaction.
Seems like a very small sacrifice to me. I don't like to eat stuff which could possibly give me boobs and a flaccid penis.5 -
Until all the studies agree about the effects of soy on men, soy milk/products will not be used daily in my home.
http://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/soys-negative-effects5 -
janejellyroll wrote: »SarahLascelles1 wrote: »Re soy, there is no evidence of any health effects of eating soy. It's been a mainstay of oriental diets for ages.
There have been a couple of cases where soy milk has been linked to reduced testosterone and feminizing effects on men. For that fear alone, I avoid soy in any form.
In all cases of which I am aware, these (rare) cases were linked to men who were consuming much more soy than average (in one case, 14 servings a day for a year; another 12 servings a day) and resolved once servings were cut down. Avoiding soy entirely seems like an over-reaction.
Seems like a very small sacrifice to me. I don't like to eat stuff which could possibly give me boobs and a flaccid penis.
Nobody is required to eat soy, I was just pointing out how unlikely the possibility is for anyone else reading this thread and possibly having concerns.3 -
TheWJordinWJordin wrote: »Until all the studies agree about the effects of soy on men, soy milk/products will not be used daily in my home.
http://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/soys-negative-effects
Given that soy is one of the most studied food substances we have and how small and poorly constructed some of the studies are, this is an impossible barrier to cross. There will never be a time when all studies ever conducted agree on soy (just as studies currently disagree on common foods like wheat or milk or meat or nightshade vegetables).4 -
In a way, I don't think it's soy. It's all the "flavorings" that are added to soy "meats" and "milks". Even the idea of drinking careegenan in the "milks" bothers me. A soy hot dog had so many ingredients I could not buy it.4
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Too much soy can mess up your hormones and blood results. I know that from a close friend, who really liked his soy milk, but always had questionable blood tests, which significantly improved as soon as he replaced the soy milk.
Does that mean that soy is always bad for everyone? Nope, but that means that too much soy *can* do harm and should be consumed in moderation.
But back to the OP: I agree with the guys who say do both and don't limit yourself, which always leads to frustration and cravings. Personally, I hate protein shakes (can't stand the texture) but having multiple options to hit your macros is always a plus.5
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