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dommie06
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wanna try and go vegan pros and cons
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so u cant go vegan because its an ethical movement against animal cruelty. so ur either vegan or ur not.. u want "to go" plant based.. hmm
pros- not consuming animal cruelty, rape or slaughter
cons- most junk food is animal product free but full of chemicals so it can be very unhealthy and carb and starch dense11 -
im a health conscious vegan and it takes meal prep and planning but first it takes research.. removing starches and grains and going gluten free. increasing leafy green veggies. going on fruit fasts/feasts.. eating high fat fruits (avocado) still trying to watch my carb intake.. whew it takes work but it can become second nature7
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Why does being vegan mean giving up starches and grains? I mean, you can if you want, but I don't think it's a requirement. (If it is, my cookbooks are doing it wrong.)7
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estherdragonbat wrote: »Why does being vegan mean giving up starches and grains? I mean, you can if you want, but I don't think it's a requirement. (If it is, my cookbooks are doing it wrong.)
oh no im on a weight loss journey so my vegan is a bit more stricter so i havent had rice or pasta in two years.. thats because before "going vegan" i was already paleo..4 -
Pro: Avoiding unnecessary contributions to animal cruelty and exploitation.
Con: There is a learning curve with learning to read labels, reduces options for clothing (leather and wool can be especially impactful), sometimes has social implications or can be difficult if you are living with family members who don't choose to be vegan, you'll want to do a bit of research to ensure you're meeting your nutritional needs, a small minority (usually online) who feel compelled to engage in negative interactions or chatter about meat whenever veganism is mentioned.7 -
tiffaninghs wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »Why does being vegan mean giving up starches and grains? I mean, you can if you want, but I don't think it's a requirement. (If it is, my cookbooks are doing it wrong.)
oh no im on a weight loss journey so my vegan is a bit more stricter so i havent had rice or pasta in two years.. thats because before "going vegan" i was already paleo..
Your veganism isn't stricter, you're just layering on additional restrictions in addition to veganism.16 -
Congratulations. If you have a WholeFoods near you, this would make it much easier when it comes to finding the right clean foods and supplements (i.e: Your Vitamin B complex..I mean you can always get that online too), most of the products at WholeFoods are really clean i.e.: ingredients list is filled with actual food, and not long laboratory terms. If you can't find a WF's, that's ok too.
I keep seeing a pros and cons list on here.
I'd add to the pros; you're lowering your risk of obtaining cancer, there's numerous studies on meat/dairy linked to cancer. (Dr. T Colin Campbell, Dr. John McDougall; they stress that they have a plant-based lifestyle and they're not vegans but they avoid all meats and dairies)
Another pro is your fat intake will go down easy (your cardiovascular system's going to thank you, and more specifically so is your liver) as your macros should be based on a high carb diet, with most of your carbs coming from plant-based foods.
Do your research do your research and more research.
I would say avoid opinions from people that haven't even gave a single second of research on the subject.
Most people in the gym always ask me how much chicken and protein(assuming whey protein) I consume, I guess because I'm tall, slim and have good muscle definition. That's where I tell them I don't eat meat, and I get sucked into a rabbit hole with some man/woman trying to indoctrinate me to eating meat and telling me how I need protein and I won't be able to blah blah blah...
I'm an ectomorph, I make sure to get most of my Daily Vitamins, 7-8 hours of sleep and 3500+ calories a day, and a adequate supply of water so my liver stays happy. I'm seeing strength gains, I never feel bloated, my poop looks healthy, I also work out 6-7 days a week.
Funny everyone tells me 6-7 is too much but I'm out performing them. Just please do your research or else you'll get indoctrinated with someones loose ideas on how they believe something works.
Take what they say with a grain a salt, including this, and challenge it by doing your research and form your own opinion.
Good Will to you! I believe in you,! I know you can do it, because Impossible isn't in your vocabulary:)
I am my brothers/sisters keeper27 -
Congratulations. If you have a whole foods near you this will be much easier.
I keep seeing a pros and cons list on here.
I'd add to the pros you're lowering your risk of obtaining cancer, there's numerous studies on meat/dairy linked to cancer. (Dr. T Colin Campbell, Dr. John McDougall; they stress that they have a plant-based lifestyle and they're not vegans but they avoid all meats and dairies)
Another pro is your fat intake will go down easy, as your macros should be based on a high carb diet, with most of your carbs coming from plant-based foods.
Do your research do your research and more research.
I would say avoid opinions from people that haven't even gave a single second of research on the subject.
Most people in the gym always ask me how much chicken I eat, because I'm tall, slim and have good muscle definition. That's where I tell them I don't eat meat, and I get sucked into a rabbit hole with some man/woman trying to indoctrinate me to eating meat and telling me how I need protein and I won't be able to blah blah blah...
I'm an ectomorph, I make sure to get most of my Daily Vitamins, 7-8 hours of sleep and 3500+ calories a day. I'm seeing strength gains, I never feel bloated, my poop looks healthy, I also work out 6-7 days a week.
Funny everyone tells me 6-7 is too much but I'm out performing them. Just please do your research or else you'll get indoctrinated with someones loose ideas on how they believe something works.
Take what they say with a grain a salt, including this, and challenge it by doing your research and form your own opinion.
Good Will to you!
Some people find that their fat intake goes down when they become vegan, but with foods like coconut, avocado, nuts, seeds, and plant oils, it doesn't for everyone. It's possible to do a moderate or high fat vegan diet if that is what someone desires.3 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
Some people find that their fat intake goes down when they become vegan, but with foods like coconut, avocado, nuts, seeds, and plant oils, it doesn't for everyone. It's possible to do a moderate or high fat vegan diet if that is what someone desires.
It's important to state that all fats are not created equal. Including Saturated fats. AHA (American Heart Association) swears that coconut oil is bad for you on the sole basis that it contains a large % of saturated fat per cal.
There are 13 clinical studies done that show the effects coconut oil has on Weight Loss, Metabolism, Cholesterol, Triglycerides and Inflammation. I'm pretty sure most people would call these results positive.
Each study is sourced here
http://www.healthline.com/nutrition/coconut-oil-studies#section23 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
Some people find that their fat intake goes down when they become vegan, but with foods like coconut, avocado, nuts, seeds, and plant oils, it doesn't for everyone. It's possible to do a moderate or high fat vegan diet if that is what someone desires.
It's important to state that all fats are not created equal. Including Saturated fats. AHA (American Heart Association) swears that coconut oil is bad for you on the sole basis that it contains a large % of saturated fat per cal.
There are 13 clinical studies done that show the effects coconut oil has on Weight Loss and Metabolism, Cholesterol, Triglycerides and Inflammation. I'm pretty sure most people would call these results positive.
Each study is sourced here
http://www.healthline.com/nutrition/coconut-oil-studies#section2
Saturated fat is a thing, but I don't know what that has to do with this statement: "Another pro is your fat intake will go down easy . . . "
Some vegans find that their fat intake decreases, others find that it stays the same or even increases. It comes down to specific foods chosen, just like it does for non-vegans.5 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Saturated fat is a thing, but I don't know what that has to do with this statement: "Another pro is your fat intake will go down easy . . . "
Some vegans find that their fat intake decreases, others find that it stays the same or even increases. It comes down to specific foods chosen, just like it does for non-vegans.
Ah you're totally right, I botched that. It should've said something along the lines of reducing body fat %
And hey I guess we'll leave the saturated fat data there as a bonus0 -
There are many vegan starter kits that can give you the answers you require.
http://vegankit.com/
https://veganuary.com/starter-kit/
There's also other pro's than just not contributing to animal cruelty. Some transition to vegan for health or environmental reasons. Whatever you decide, it's important to keep in mind 'going vegan' isn't an all or nothing thing. Some took years to transition over.
Try doing a meatless Monday or a vegan Friday, join a vegan/vegetarian recipe group to get some easy weeknight ideas and see how you like it. It's only as restrictive as your imagination.
Edit to add: You will get lots of opinions regarding the social aspect, but let me tell you honestly, only an ignorant purist will try to revoke your vegan card by wearing the wrong shoes, or using the wrong shampoo. Zealotry only alienates, most will try to find common ground and be tolerant of others. You know, like a normal person lol.7 -
wanna try and go vegan pros and cons
Pros - moral considerations more than anything else.
Cons - it's quite restrictive to do 'just because' and needs to include your entire lifestyle (including clothes, etc.)
If you want to change your diet for health reasons, you may be fine just going vegetarian (no meat, but yes to eggs and dairy), or a modification of vegetarian. Basically, you can go vegan without actually going full vegan.
Don't call yourself a vegan if you still continue to wear leather, etc. since it will make you seem like a totally trendy hypocrite to most of the world and the hardcore vegans will hate you for tainting their turf. If people ask what diet you're on, just tell them you're a vegetarian. There's much less social stigma to deal with.4 -
I think that the most important thing about making a choice like this is to make the decision for you and don't try to force it on others. There are two types of people that annoy the hell out of me in the diet and fitness community. Vegans and Crossfitters. If the first time I meet someone and before I know their last name they are lecturing me on my diet or making comments about what I am eating or they are trying to get me to sign up for their box or telling me about their box in the first 5 minutes of meeting them I immediately want to slap them and walk away. Make a life choice for all the right reasons for you and only base it on that. The best people to have in your corner will support you in whatever makes you happy and gets you the best results. Best of luck with your goals!2
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Glad to see all the people in this thread explaining the ethical stance that is veganism. I hate that plant-based and vegan get conflated.3
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Just so we're clear: going Vegan does not automatically lead to weight loss. There are plenty of chubby Vegans. People have this misconception that cutting out animal products leads to weight loss because they seem some waif-like anemic vegans on the internet and think it will make them skinny.
Pros- Do it if you feel guilty eating meat and luv the animals
Cons- Unless you plan your diet out very carefully and take supplements, you are going to end up with nutritional deficiencies. You can't just randomly eat vegetables and be healthy. Animal products contain important nutrients in concentrated quantities such as vitamin B12, protein, and iron. Proteins from most plant sources are incomplete and must be combined with complimentary proteins from other sources in order to be utilized by the body. So you will have to be really careful and conscious in order to make sure your nutritional needs are met. This is not a diet that you can just eat X amount of calories and be fine, there is a lot more to it if you don't want to end up sick. This diet is also high carb, so if you find that your body tends to blow up on carbs, this diet wouldn't be ideal for you. This is a "high-maintenance" diet which takes a lot of work, and since most people in your life aren't Vegan, it makes things harder for you when it comes to social gatherings and makes you the odd one out.8 -
YOU will NOT be deficient if you only eat plants!! never believe that bull!!!10
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janejellyroll wrote: »tiffaninghs wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »Why does being vegan mean giving up starches and grains? I mean, you can if you want, but I don't think it's a requirement. (If it is, my cookbooks are doing it wrong.)
oh no im on a weight loss journey so my vegan is a bit more stricter so i havent had rice or pasta in two years.. thats because before "going vegan" i was already paleo..
Your veganism isn't stricter, you're just layering on additional restrictions in addition to veganism.
aka stricter2 -
Just so we're clear: going Vegan does not automatically lead to weight loss. There are plenty of chubby Vegans. People have this misconception that cutting out animal products leads to weight loss because they seem some waif-like anemic vegans on the internet and think it will make them skinny.
Pros- Do it if you feel guilty eating meat and luv the animals
Cons- Unless you plan your diet out very carefully and take supplements, you are going to end up with nutritional deficiencies. You can't just randomly eat vegetables and be healthy. Animal products contain important nutrients in concentrated quantities such as vitamin B12, protein, and iron. Proteins from most plant sources are incomplete and must be combined with complimentary proteins from other sources in order to be utilized by the body. So you will have to be really careful and conscious in order to make sure your nutritional needs are met. This is not a diet that you can just eat X amount of calories and be fine, there is a lot more to it if you don't want to end up sick. This diet is also high carb, so if you find that your body tends to blow up on carbs, this diet wouldn't be ideal for you. This is a "high-maintenance" diet which takes a lot of work, and since most people in your life aren't Vegan, it makes things harder for you when it comes to social gatherings and makes you the odd one out.
I highly recommend that newer vegans take some time to plan their diet, but once you have the basics down, it doesn't really require a lot of work or planning to meet your nutritional needs as a vegan.
You can't randomly eat vegetables and be healthy, it's true. But you can't randomly eat meat and be healthy either.
Vegans, just like non-vegans, can make a choice to eat lower carbohydrate. While going genuinely low carbohydrate would be more challenging for a vegan, many vegans eat moderate carbohydrate -- not high carbohydrate.6 -
tiffaninghs wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »tiffaninghs wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »Why does being vegan mean giving up starches and grains? I mean, you can if you want, but I don't think it's a requirement. (If it is, my cookbooks are doing it wrong.)
oh no im on a weight loss journey so my vegan is a bit more stricter so i havent had rice or pasta in two years.. thats because before "going vegan" i was already paleo..
Your veganism isn't stricter, you're just layering on additional restrictions in addition to veganism.
aka stricter
It's a stricter diet overall, not stricter veganism -- that's the point I was making. Your additional restrictions aren't related to veganism at all.8
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