Keto results please!!!
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Ive lost 15 pounds in 3 months eating well over 300gm carbs a day. I eat the same things, just a bit lesser. I also move a bit more now.5
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mandalynn723 wrote: »rfrenkel77 wrote: »I like how these people pop into into keto topic and start posting the it’s “all about calories montra”, which it’s not. A body metabolizes 100 cals of sugar different then a 100 cals of fat, and has a different insulin response. That’s a fact. Why don’t you people go post in the million other topics, and let us, keto folks, answer the posters questions related to it. 1500 cals on standard American diet will leave you hungry, not so on 1500 keto diet. Give it a try for few months and see for yourself.
That's what I thought, keto is less about calories but about macros, Right? I'm doing my research so that I'm fully prepared to start. I'm giving myself til the first of the year to learn all I can and start making small changes now until then so I'm prepared to make the big leap into it at the start of the year
Tracking macros is just another, more defined way to control calories.
I have done periods of keto and more not. I lost weight the same doing both. I prepped for comps (ie, like my profile pic) eating carbs over keto levels.
I feel no benefit to keto, I'm not less hungry, and I feel sad that I have to restrict healthy foods I love (vegetables and fruit in large quantities, and dairy).6 -
rfrenkel77 wrote: »Correct mandalynn. High fat low carb macro alters how insulin ramps up in your body. Insulin is a fat storage hormone. To continue your research look up keto talk podcast, start with episode 1, tons of audio books, I just finished The Obesity Code, dr Fung does a beautiful job laying out the body mechanics of insulin resistance and how it builds up in the body over the years, how constant snacking keeps insulin up. As I’m typing this my wife is texting me about comments she is getting at work, people notice she is loosing weight.
Lol. So much woo. Insulin is the enemy now? Wonder why diabetics take insulin shots.
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mandalynn723 wrote: »rfrenkel77 wrote: »I like how these people pop into into keto topic and start posting the it’s “all about calories montra”, which it’s not. A body metabolizes 100 cals of sugar different then a 100 cals of fat, and has a different insulin response. That’s a fact. Why don’t you people go post in the million other topics, and let us, keto folks, answer the posters questions related to it. 1500 cals on standard American diet will leave you hungry, not so on 1500 keto diet. Give it a try for few months and see for yourself.
That's what I thought, keto is less about calories but about macros, Right? I'm doing my research so that I'm fully prepared to start. I'm giving myself til the first of the year to learn all I can and start making small changes now until then so I'm prepared to make the big leap into it at the start of the year
No. It's about both macros and calories.
Calories first, then macros.
Ketosis does not guarantee weightloss. Calorie deficit over time does.
Keto is a tool, that helps some people feel less cravings and decreases appetite which helps them keep the deficit more easily over time. Which is what happens for those who are successful losing weight.
Consistent calorie deficit + Persistence + Time.
Ketosis CAN help people make their diabetes go into remission, reverse NAFLD, and reverse insulin resistance.
Ketosis CAN help those who have neurological disorders/diseases achieve a better quality of life or have them go into remission.
Ketosis CAN create a decrease in appetite/cravings.
But it doesn't guarantee weightloss. Only burning more than you intake does that.
Sincerely,
someone who lost 90lb with keto.
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jennazembower wrote: »The two things keto is particularly good at compared to just calorie counting: 1) High fat diets tend to be more satiating which is a great way to curb snacking and stay under your calorie goal 2) Also if you find the blood sugar crashes after eating simple carbs causes you more cravings and snacking, keto (especially if you're still getting your >25g of fiber in) will really help.
Just to put my 2 cents in here... fat is not satiating for everyone. For those that do well on keto, it tends to be but some people (especially those who are not IR or borderline IR), starches are filling and satiating as well. Also, fiber is, at least in my case, greatly over-rated. I tend to eat mostly carnivore and rarely get above 10 grams of fiber a day (with most days in the 5-7 gram range).2 -
baconslave wrote: »mandalynn723 wrote: »rfrenkel77 wrote: »I like how these people pop into into keto topic and start posting the it’s “all about calories montra”, which it’s not. A body metabolizes 100 cals of sugar different then a 100 cals of fat, and has a different insulin response. That’s a fact. Why don’t you people go post in the million other topics, and let us, keto folks, answer the posters questions related to it. 1500 cals on standard American diet will leave you hungry, not so on 1500 keto diet. Give it a try for few months and see for yourself.
That's what I thought, keto is less about calories but about macros, Right? I'm doing my research so that I'm fully prepared to start. I'm giving myself til the first of the year to learn all I can and start making small changes now until then so I'm prepared to make the big leap into it at the start of the year
No. It's about both macros and calories.
Calories first, then macros.
Ketosis does not guarantee weightloss. Calorie deficit over time does.
Keto is a tool, that helps some people feel less cravings and decreases appetite which helps them keep the deficit more easily over time. Which is what happens for those who are successful losing weight.
Consistent calorie deficit + Persistence + Time.
Ketosis CAN help people make their diabetes go into remission, reverse NAFLD, and reverse insulin resistance.
Ketosis CAN help those who have neurological disorders/diseases achieve a better quality of life or have them go into remission.
Ketosis CAN create a decrease in appetite/cravings.
But it doesn't guarantee weightloss. Only burning more than you intake does that.
Sincerely,
someone who lost 90lb with keto.
Great post.
OP, as you have probably seen, Keto is a big trend right now and you have to realize that others success to sustain a diet doesn't mean you will. Having said that, you can definitely try to see if there is a benefit. First, I would ask yourself, does fat satiate you? How low are your carbs going to be set at? How active are you? Does this style of eating support your goals? What are those goals? And do you have any medical conditions that need to be addressed.
There is undisputable science that suggest that addressing energy balance (CICO) is a must, regardless of that crap that Dr. Fung and some other proponents talk about. But what really matters, is finding a diet that you find sustainable. I would never eat low carb (and I have tried a bit) because I can't get the volume of food I need to be full.9 -
rfrenkel77 wrote: »I like how these people pop into into keto topic and start posting the it’s “all about calories montra”, which it’s not. A body metabolizes 100 cals of sugar different then a 100 cals of fat, and has a different insulin response. That’s a fact. Why don’t you people go post in the million other topics, and let us, keto folks, answer the posters questions related to it. 1500 cals on standard American diet will leave you hungry, not so on 1500 keto diet. Give it a try for few months and see for yourself.
There are more diets that the SAD and keto. There is everything from vegan to in between. Trying to make a point while only referencing the two is very short sighted.
Additionally, thank god for evolution because there is more than one fat storage hormone. Acylation Sitmulating Protein (ASP), Glucose-Dependant Insulintropic Peptides (GIP) are a few, and eating fat activates both of those. Insulin in a normal person is a very good thing. It acts as key to shuttle nutrients into your cells to be convert and utilized into energy. A normal functioning body will handle it. It's when the beta cells break and either overproduce or underproduce that becomes an issue.9 -
I started keto WOE on June 27, 2017. Today is 10/13/2017.
I have been over 250 pounds since 2004. That's 13 years. No matter what I did, I couldn't lose the weight. I was unhealthy, miserable, and out of shape. I tried every fad diet, I tried "eating healthy", exercise, CICO, literally ANYTHING there was to try... Nothing worked. Four years ago, I was diagnosed with HPB (though, I should've been much longer ago than that). Two years ago, I was diagnosed with prediabetes.
On June 27, I weighed in at 269.4. Today, I weigh 229-232 (depending on the time of day). I no longer have prediabetes. I'm off of my HPB meds. My mental health is better, I have more clarity, and for the first time in my entire life, I can see muscle definition on my body.
Keto works.
Not one single weight loss drug. No crash diets. No starving all the time. NOTHING. Just keto WOE and exercise. Oh, and for the record, I VERY CAREFULLY calculated my macros until the beginning of September. I suggest trying it for a while, just to get a feel for things. After that, you kind of figure it out and you can stop tracking.11 -
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group
Also, here is a group that is dedicated to low carb. You will probably find more information there.2 -
27 lbs and a size down since July 16th this year. But everyone here saying that a calorie deficit is all you need is correct.. it's all you need. Keto is great for hunger control though. Best person to decide if keto is right for you, is you. Try it out for a month and see if you find it sustainable. Just remember to stay in a deficit. Cico is still important. But for people like me who can easily binge on carbs, cutting them has been a blessing. Maybe just cutting carbs will be enough. It was for me. I haven't gone full keto yet and already have experienced soooo many benefits!9
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It is a diet designed to starve the brain of glucose to control seizures in epileptics to make their medication more effective. Great diet for that, but needs a team of dietitians and doctors to monitor the patient.8
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russelljam08 wrote: »It is a diet designed to starve the brain of glucose to control seizures in epileptics to make their medication more effective. Great diet for that, but needs a team of dietitians and doctors to monitor the patient.
Yes so they can finally educate them self’s how effective it is.
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rfrenkel77 wrote: »Correct mandalynn. High fat low carb macro alters how insulin ramps up in your body. Insulin is a fat storage hormone. To continue your research look up keto talk podcast, start with episode 1, tons of audio books, I just finished The Obesity Code, dr Fung does a beautiful job laying out the body mechanics of insulin resistance and how it builds up in the body over the years, how constant snacking keeps insulin up. As I’m typing this my wife is texting me about comments she is getting at work, people notice she is loosing weight.
Then why do people get so fat on keto diets?9 -
russelljam08 wrote: »rfrenkel77 wrote: »Correct mandalynn. High fat low carb macro alters how insulin ramps up in your body. Insulin is a fat storage hormone. To continue your research look up keto talk podcast, start with episode 1, tons of audio books, I just finished The Obesity Code, dr Fung does a beautiful job laying out the body mechanics of insulin resistance and how it builds up in the body over the years, how constant snacking keeps insulin up. As I’m typing this my wife is texting me about comments she is getting at work, people notice she is loosing weight.
Then why do people get so fat on keto diets?
Overindulgence. The foundation is still cico. The walls are low carb and high fat.9 -
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GlassAngyl wrote: »russelljam08 wrote: »rfrenkel77 wrote: »Correct mandalynn. High fat low carb macro alters how insulin ramps up in your body. Insulin is a fat storage hormone. To continue your research look up keto talk podcast, start with episode 1, tons of audio books, I just finished The Obesity Code, dr Fung does a beautiful job laying out the body mechanics of insulin resistance and how it builds up in the body over the years, how constant snacking keeps insulin up. As I’m typing this my wife is texting me about comments she is getting at work, people notice she is loosing weight.
Then why do people get so fat on keto diets?
Overindulgence. The foundation is still cico. The walls are low carb and high fat.
But, that ill-informed poster claims "insulin" is the cause and "carbs". Yet doesnt realize carbs rarely get stored as fat in humans(denovolipogenesis, and overfeeding studies prove it). Of course it is CICO, the human body can't create energy from nothing or make energy disappear. If "hormones" were that powerful we would be injecting insulin into our power grids.8 -
russelljam08 wrote: »GlassAngyl wrote: »russelljam08 wrote: »rfrenkel77 wrote: »Correct mandalynn. High fat low carb macro alters how insulin ramps up in your body. Insulin is a fat storage hormone. To continue your research look up keto talk podcast, start with episode 1, tons of audio books, I just finished The Obesity Code, dr Fung does a beautiful job laying out the body mechanics of insulin resistance and how it builds up in the body over the years, how constant snacking keeps insulin up. As I’m typing this my wife is texting me about comments she is getting at work, people notice she is loosing weight.
Then why do people get so fat on keto diets?
Overindulgence. The foundation is still cico. The walls are low carb and high fat.
But, that ill-informed poster claims "insulin" is the cause. Of course it is CICO, the human body can't create energy from nothing or make energy disappear. If "hormones" were that powerful we would be injecting insulin into our power grids.
Didn't read the poster. Looked boring. Just read your response. Less boring. Insulin resistance can cause inflammation which can add water weight but yeah, fat weight is all from over indulging..(Minus the very rare diseases..but they aren't the main topic.)6 -
Try eating in a surplus while on keto and you'll see for yourself that it is very much about calories.
I've had great results from doing a variation of keto. I don't do it perpetually though - I do it in spells of 6-8 weeks at a time
I prefer it for 'cutting' because it keeps me satiated through the day
In terms of weight loss, I found it no better or worse than a high carb diet, or IF, or carb cycling where the calories consumed over the course of a week were the same. But I do prefer it for the reason stated above6 -
rfrenkel77 wrote: »I like how these people pop into into keto topic and start posting the it’s “all about calories montra”, which it’s not. A body metabolizes 100 cals of sugar different then a 100 cals of fat, and has a different insulin response. That’s a fact. Why don’t you people go post in the million other topics, and let us, keto folks, answer the posters questions related to it. 1500 cals on standard American diet will leave you hungry, not so on 1500 keto diet. Give it a try for few months and see for yourself.
My experience was actually that CICO was irrelevant, at least for about the first 5 months of eating keto.
I started at 248, I had been eating the recommended American Diabetes Association diet, around 1800 to 2000 calories, logging it here on MFP. Sweet potatoes, brown rice, whole grains, everything measured and weighed on an electronic kitchen scale. Very low fat. Also 20 to 30 minutes of aerobics every day, and I wasn't losing weight. My fasting blood glucose hovered around 169 to 200 most mornings, sometimes as low as 120, but often going up to 230, 260, and the day I said, "No more," 329. I was taking metformin and had also tried Glipizide, with poor results. Also taking a statin and a bp med for kidney protection.
I found Dr. Sarah Hallberg's Ted talk and spent a weekend in early February 2017 watching her videos along with Dr. Benjamin Bikman. Started keto, calories went up to around 2,500 to 3,000 a day, stopped the aerobics, and my fasting glucose readings dropped to around 119 to 130. Weight started falling off.
By the end of a month, my glucose readings were around 100, I had lost almost 20 pounds, and my doctor cut my meds in half, simultaneously telling me I needed more carbs.
By late July, I had lost 40 pounds, my glucose readings were almost always around 74, but occasionally in the low 80s. Doctor took me off all meds, but insisted I start eating more carbs. Small serving of oatmeal. One piece of fruit per day, like that. I took her advice and added back some carbs. Also, all my other blood work had gone from well above normal to perfectly mid-range, except for HDL, which went from very low to the low end of normal.
Now, 2 months later, I've gained back 10 pounds and my glucose readings are in the 90s with no meds. Still good, but not as good as they were. I was down to 203-205, and now I'm back up to 213-215.
I'm looking for a new doctor who understands and believes in keto, and this week I'm starting back on fewer than 20 grams of carbs a day. I log my food, but don't limit calories, only limit carbs, with a moderate amount of protein. I only add enough fat to be satiated, but I'm more likely to err on the high side of fat than low. I've been told on a forum with a lot of experienced keto-ers that as I get closer to goal weight, 175 - 180, I'll have to lower calories a bit, but so far, that has not been my experience with keto. Dr. Bikman says it's because the excess weight is a response to insulin resistance, which I obviously have a great deal of. I don't know, but I do know the results were awesome.
BTW, there can be some heavy-duty side-effects. Major constipation, which requires, for me, stool softeners to prevent it. Also, electrolytes can go really low, causing extremely painful leg cramps. I literally would wake up screaming in the night and not be able to work the cramp out without getting up and dragging myself through the house in extreme pain to take magnesium and potassium, so I have to remember to take them along with lots of salt at nearly every meal.
The bummer for me is that I don't much like meat, and I do love vegetables, and even when I was eating keto but added a few servings of low-starch vegetables, like squash, collards, cauliflower, broccoli, etc., I could get thrown out of ketosis easily and it would take 24 hours to get back in.
I would be vegan if I could do it without my glucose going up, but apparently my system doesn't like carbs at all. There are vegans who eat keto, but I don't know how they do it. It didn't work for me.
There will probably be people here who accuse me of lying, but if nothing else has worked for you, watch some videos by medical doctors who advocate keto and give it a try. See what your own results are.
(I'm pretty sure this is my first and probably last post here, because I've not found a lot of support for keto here, and lots of people seem to think they can call you a liar if your remarks don't coincide with what they believe. But if that's the case for you, there are other forums with knowledgeable people where you can get support and good feedback. MFP is awesome, however, for logging your food and keeping track of macros, activity minutes, and so on.)21 -
i had good results and know several others who have as well. with weightloss, focus and other health issues. I am starting a group/ chat on here to support share ask questions.... if you want i can add you 11
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