Hitting macro's but loosing weight?!
Aussie_Iron
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OK, so I've been trying to bulk up for a few months, but have just been doing it half hearted I guess. After getting this app it's told me what I need to do, so I'm doing it and I'm hitting my goals, ive stuck with it for a week now eating SO much more food.. but I've lost 2kg!?
1st question: is that water weight I've lost because I've lacked drinking water?
Or 2: have I burned fat.. and just not gained muscle?! Not sure what to do. Thanks
1st question: is that water weight I've lost because I've lacked drinking water?
Or 2: have I burned fat.. and just not gained muscle?! Not sure what to do. Thanks
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Probably need to stick with it for a few weeks and then re-assess, too early to tell. Use other indicators (measurements, %BF if possible), to help you come to a conclusion. If you are accurately logging your intake and you are still genuinely losing then increase cals by ~250 and see how it goes...1
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How many calories are you eating? Also, if you are following the MFP method, you should be eating back exercise calories?1
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Thanks, I shall stick with it but it was a slap in the face when I hit the scales.
I'm eating 3,060 Cals, I read on another discussion to eat your body weight in protein? MFP says for me 153g but I weigh 187lb.. so do I need more protein for muscle or carbs?0 -
foresterfishing666 wrote: »Thanks, I shall stick with it but it was a slap in the face when I hit the scales.
I'm eating 3,060 Cals, I read on another discussion to eat your body weight in protein? MFP says for me 153g but I weigh 187lb.. so do I need more protein for muscle or carbs?
Protein is more of a range. Anywhere between 1.5 to 2.2g/kg is fine. So aiming for at least 150g is good.
Also, 3k might not be enough.. I know that is where I maintain and I am a 35 yr old at 5'11 and 175. So if you don't see weight gain by next week, I'd add another 300 calories.0 -
Sorry, I've hit my calories but my fats are lacking. Guess it's just trial and adjustments!
But can I ask is it possible I've lost fat in that time and not built muscle but just maintained it.. that's what I'm hoping lol0 -
foresterfishing666 wrote: »Sorry, I've hit my calories but my fats are lacking. Guess it's just trial and adjustments!
But can I ask is it possible I've lost fat in that time and not built muscle but just maintained it.. that's what I'm hoping lol
Hitting your fat number isnt as important as calories. And yes, you could have just lost some fat and or water.2 -
foresterfishing666 wrote: »OK, so I've been trying to bulk up for a few months, but have just been doing it half hearted I guess. After getting this app it's told me what I need to do, so I'm doing it and I'm hitting my goals, ive stuck with it for a week now eating SO much more food.. but I've lost 2kg!?
1st question: is that water weight I've lost because I've lacked drinking water?
Or 2: have I burned fat.. and just not gained muscle?! Not sure what to do. Thanks
You said you've been doing this for a week now? But you've only been here on mfp since today? And you've lost the 2 kg in what time period? Did you weigh on the exact same scale under the exact same conditions? In the week that you've been tracking or whatever you've been doing--has your diet changed much? Have you given up processed food or anything like that?1 -
I've been doing it for a while but only seriously for a week on MFP. I just remembered I cut all milk out of diet and have been having water and only cooking chicken and rice basicly1
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foresterfishing666 wrote: »I've been doing it for a while but only seriously for a week on MFP. I just remembered I cut all milk out of diet and have been having water and only cooking chicken and rice basicly
You can eat a variety of foods, you dont just need to do the "bro" diet. This should be enjoyable and sustainable. Besides milk is high in protein. And if you want extra good milk, fairlife chocolate is the bomb.4 -
Ya, sometimes your body needs time to adjust. Just make sure you’re eating enough proteins and healthy fats and drinking water.1
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foresterfishing666 wrote: »I've been doing it for a while but only seriously for a week on MFP. I just remembered I cut all milk out of diet and have been having water and only cooking chicken and rice basicly
Why would you cut out milk?!2 -
foresterfishing666 wrote: »I've been doing it for a while but only seriously for a week on MFP. I just remembered I cut all milk out of diet and have been having water and only cooking chicken and rice basicly
Unless there is a medical reason to cut out dairy, there is no reason to cut out milk.
Your diet looks more like a cut diet than a bulk diet. Simply put, if you are trying to gain muscle you need to be at a caloric surplus. It doesn't matter how you get that surplus--you could eat sticks of butter rolled in sugar to get you there--certainly whole foods, meats, fruit, veggies, etc. are probably better than eating McD every day...
Add some variety to your diet. And some fat. Without fat your body will not make as much testosterone--not good.1 -
TavistockToad wrote: »foresterfishing666 wrote: »I've been doing it for a while but only seriously for a week on MFP. I just remembered I cut all milk out of diet and have been having water and only cooking chicken and rice basicly
Why would you cut out milk?!
Oh, well I told the guy at the protein shop I was having milk, cream, and oil with banana and eggs for a shake. And he said too much dairy have it with water. So I bought the protein powder and have it with water and stopped what I was doing
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foresterfishing666 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »foresterfishing666 wrote: »I've been doing it for a while but only seriously for a week on MFP. I just remembered I cut all milk out of diet and have been having water and only cooking chicken and rice basicly
Why would you cut out milk?!
Oh, well I told the guy at the protein shop I was having milk, cream, and oil with banana and eggs for a shake. And he said too much dairy have it with water. So I bought the protein powder and have it with water and stopped what I was doing
That guy is an idiot. Milk is a good source of slow digesting protein.8 -
foresterfishing666 wrote: »I've been doing it for a while but only seriously for a week on MFP. I just remembered I cut all milk out of diet and have been having water and only cooking chicken and rice basicly
Unless there is a medical reason to cut out dairy, there is no reason to cut out milk.
Your diet looks more like a cut diet than a bulk diet. Simply put, if you are trying to gain muscle you need to be at a caloric surplus. It doesn't matter how you get that surplus--you could eat sticks of butter rolled in sugar to get you there--certainly whole foods, meats, fruit, veggies, etc. are probably better than eating McD every day...
Add some variety to your diet. And some fat. Without fat your body will not make as much testosterone--not good.
Thanks for the info mitch! Can I ask what's your go to calorie overload snack or meal? Unless it secretly is the better and sugar.. haha0 -
For a lot of people it's pnut butter or ice cream!1
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foresterfishing666 wrote: »foresterfishing666 wrote: »I've been doing it for a while but only seriously for a week on MFP. I just remembered I cut all milk out of diet and have been having water and only cooking chicken and rice basicly
Unless there is a medical reason to cut out dairy, there is no reason to cut out milk.
Your diet looks more like a cut diet than a bulk diet. Simply put, if you are trying to gain muscle you need to be at a caloric surplus. It doesn't matter how you get that surplus--you could eat sticks of butter rolled in sugar to get you there--certainly whole foods, meats, fruit, veggies, etc. are probably better than eating McD every day...
Add some variety to your diet. And some fat. Without fat your body will not make as much testosterone--not good.
Thanks for the info mitch! Can I ask what's your go to calorie overload snack or meal? Unless it secretly is the better and sugar.. haha
Ha--I actually have the opposite issue--I'm in losing to maintaining mode...
I have a teenage son who is an elite athlete and a hard gainer however--his favorite foods are all fruit. He's 5'10" and just got to the point where the scale stays above 150 lbs. Body fat is maybe 15-18%. He's not done growing yet.
We end up eating a lot of red meat in our house. He gets a double portion along with vegetables and potatoes or rice (I skip the starch). PB&J sandwiches as a snack, multiple per day if possible--ideally with whole grain bread and natural peanut butter, but even Uncrustables work in a pinch. Full fat yogurt (he doesn't like Greek yogurt, but will eat Siggi's). I keep pints of Ben & Jerry's in the freezer. Protein powder added to milkshakes and smoothies. Second breakfast at 9:30 am or 4th meals are encouraged. Some day this might all catch up to him...
One of my good friends who didn't even weigh enough to donate blood was pregnant with twins and was having difficulty gaining--she had a hard time eating 1200 calories a day, let alone the 3k+ to maintain her healthy pregnancy. The butter rolled in sugar was the suggestion from her RD!0 -
foresterfishing666 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »foresterfishing666 wrote: »I've been doing it for a while but only seriously for a week on MFP. I just remembered I cut all milk out of diet and have been having water and only cooking chicken and rice basicly
Why would you cut out milk?!
Oh, well I told the guy at the protein shop I was having milk, cream, and oil with banana and eggs for a shake. And he said too much dairy have it with water. So I bought the protein powder and have it with water and stopped what I was doing
he saw you coming, didn't he! :laugh:1 -
foresterfishing666 wrote: »Thanks for the info mitch! Can I ask what's your go to calorie overload snack or meal? Unless it secretly is the better and sugar.. haha
Heard of people pounding spoons of olive oil to up calories and incorporate more fat. Adding banana, peanut butter, milk, and even oats back into your protein shake will help to up your calories too.
Found this to be an interesting read a while back regarding protein intake (Take home copied below)
https://bayesianbodybuilding.com/the-myth-of-1glb-optimal-protein-intake-for-bodybuilders/
Take Home Messages
• There is normally no advantage to consuming more than 0.82g/lb (1.8g/kg) of protein per day to preserve or build muscle for natural trainees. This already includes a mark-up, since most research finds no more benefits after 0.64 g/lb.
^so you should be good with 150g/day1 -
TavistockToad wrote: »foresterfishing666 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »foresterfishing666 wrote: »I've been doing it for a while but only seriously for a week on MFP. I just remembered I cut all milk out of diet and have been having water and only cooking chicken and rice basicly
Why would you cut out milk?!
Oh, well I told the guy at the protein shop I was having milk, cream, and oil with banana and eggs for a shake. And he said too much dairy have it with water. So I bought the protein powder and have it with water and stopped what I was doing
he saw you coming, didn't he! :laugh:
Dude. I felt so ripped off when I got home too. The protein says use 3 scoops per shake! I think what I was doing was way better and cheaper.. I wouldn't want to swing at him though.. he's huge0 -
foresterfishing666 wrote: »foresterfishing666 wrote: »I've been doing it for a while but only seriously for a week on MFP. I just remembered I cut all milk out of diet and have been having water and only cooking chicken and rice basicly
Unless there is a medical reason to cut out dairy, there is no reason to cut out milk.
Your diet looks more like a cut diet than a bulk diet. Simply put, if you are trying to gain muscle you need to be at a caloric surplus. It doesn't matter how you get that surplus--you could eat sticks of butter rolled in sugar to get you there--certainly whole foods, meats, fruit, veggies, etc. are probably better than eating McD every day...
Add some variety to your diet. And some fat. Without fat your body will not make as much testosterone--not good.
Thanks for the info mitch! Can I ask what's your go to calorie overload snack or meal? Unless it secretly is the better and sugar.. haha
Ha--I actually have the opposite issue--I'm in losing to maintaining mode...
I have a teenage son who is an elite athlete and a hard gainer however--his favorite foods are all fruit. He's 5'10" and just got to the point where the scale stays above 150 lbs. Body fat is maybe 15-18%. He's not done growing yet.
We end up eating a lot of red meat in our house. He gets a double portion along with vegetables and potatoes or rice (I skip the starch). PB&J sandwiches as a snack, multiple per day if possible--ideally with whole grain bread and natural peanut butter, but even Uncrustables work in a pinch. Full fat yogurt (he doesn't like Greek yogurt, but will eat Siggi's). I keep pints of Ben & Jerry's in the freezer. Protein powder added to milkshakes and smoothies. Second breakfast at 9:30 am or 4th meals are encouraged. Some day this might all catch up to him...
One of my good friends who didn't even weigh enough to donate blood was pregnant with twins and was having difficulty gaining--she had a hard time eating 1200 calories a day, let alone the 3k+ to maintain her healthy pregnancy. The butter rolled in sugar was the suggestion from her RD!
Thanks for the read! I'm in Australia so some of those products I'll have to Google haha.
I'm gunnar punch in to MFP butter roles in sugar and see what it comes up too lol
In regards to meat, I've read not to eat it too late be for bed, it's not good in your stomach? I get home at 8pm so I rarely eat it, unless it's on a day off. If I reheat steak etc. For lunch I sit there chewing like a cow for an hour0 -
foresterfishing666 wrote: »foresterfishing666 wrote: »I've been doing it for a while but only seriously for a week on MFP. I just remembered I cut all milk out of diet and have been having water and only cooking chicken and rice basicly
Unless there is a medical reason to cut out dairy, there is no reason to cut out milk.
Your diet looks more like a cut diet than a bulk diet. Simply put, if you are trying to gain muscle you need to be at a caloric surplus. It doesn't matter how you get that surplus--you could eat sticks of butter rolled in sugar to get you there--certainly whole foods, meats, fruit, veggies, etc. are probably better than eating McD every day...
Add some variety to your diet. And some fat. Without fat your body will not make as much testosterone--not good.
Thanks for the info mitch! Can I ask what's your go to calorie overload snack or meal? Unless it secretly is the better and sugar.. haha
Ha--I actually have the opposite issue--I'm in losing to maintaining mode...
I have a teenage son who is an elite athlete and a hard gainer however--his favorite foods are all fruit. He's 5'10" and just got to the point where the scale stays above 150 lbs. Body fat is maybe 15-18%. He's not done growing yet.
We end up eating a lot of red meat in our house. He gets a double portion along with vegetables and potatoes or rice (I skip the starch). PB&J sandwiches as a snack, multiple per day if possible--ideally with whole grain bread and natural peanut butter, but even Uncrustables work in a pinch. Full fat yogurt (he doesn't like Greek yogurt, but will eat Siggi's). I keep pints of Ben & Jerry's in the freezer. Protein powder added to milkshakes and smoothies. Second breakfast at 9:30 am or 4th meals are encouraged. Some day this might all catch up to him...
One of my good friends who didn't even weigh enough to donate blood was pregnant with twins and was having difficulty gaining--she had a hard time eating 1200 calories a day, let alone the 3k+ to maintain her healthy pregnancy. The butter rolled in sugar was the suggestion from her RD!
better yet - add some flour, vanilla, and eggs. Now I want some cookie dough.1 -
There are ~820 calories in 115 g of butter and ~385 calories in 100 g of sugar... 1205 calories!1
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There are ~820 calories in 115 g of butter and ~385 calories in 100 g of sugar... 1205 calories!
Holy hell! But none of that will build muscle.. or there's no protein. . Or am I missing something. Calorie surplus to grow I understand that, but protein to build muscle.. so how can you grow muscle from those calories?0 -
foresterfishing666 wrote: »foresterfishing666 wrote: »foresterfishing666 wrote: »I've been doing it for a while but only seriously for a week on MFP. I just remembered I cut all milk out of diet and have been having water and only cooking chicken and rice basicly
Unless there is a medical reason to cut out dairy, there is no reason to cut out milk.
Your diet looks more like a cut diet than a bulk diet. Simply put, if you are trying to gain muscle you need to be at a caloric surplus. It doesn't matter how you get that surplus--you could eat sticks of butter rolled in sugar to get you there--certainly whole foods, meats, fruit, veggies, etc. are probably better than eating McD every day...
Add some variety to your diet. And some fat. Without fat your body will not make as much testosterone--not good.
Thanks for the info mitch! Can I ask what's your go to calorie overload snack or meal? Unless it secretly is the better and sugar.. haha
Ha--I actually have the opposite issue--I'm in losing to maintaining mode...
I have a teenage son who is an elite athlete and a hard gainer however--his favorite foods are all fruit. He's 5'10" and just got to the point where the scale stays above 150 lbs. Body fat is maybe 15-18%. He's not done growing yet.
We end up eating a lot of red meat in our house. He gets a double portion along with vegetables and potatoes or rice (I skip the starch). PB&J sandwiches as a snack, multiple per day if possible--ideally with whole grain bread and natural peanut butter, but even Uncrustables work in a pinch. Full fat yogurt (he doesn't like Greek yogurt, but will eat Siggi's). I keep pints of Ben & Jerry's in the freezer. Protein powder added to milkshakes and smoothies. Second breakfast at 9:30 am or 4th meals are encouraged. Some day this might all catch up to him...
One of my good friends who didn't even weigh enough to donate blood was pregnant with twins and was having difficulty gaining--she had a hard time eating 1200 calories a day, let alone the 3k+ to maintain her healthy pregnancy. The butter rolled in sugar was the suggestion from her RD!
Thanks for the read! I'm in Australia so some of those products I'll have to Google haha.
I'm gunnar punch in to MFP butter roles in sugar and see what it comes up too lol
In regards to meat, I've read not to eat it too late be for bed, it's not good in your stomach? I get home at 8pm so I rarely eat it, unless it's on a day off. If I reheat steak etc. For lunch I sit there chewing like a cow for an hour
unless you have stomach issues ,GERD or something like that then your stomach and body is going to process it no matter what the time is.2 -
foresterfishing666 wrote: »There are ~820 calories in 115 g of butter and ~385 calories in 100 g of sugar... 1205 calories!
Holy hell! But none of that will build muscle.. or there's no protein. . Or am I missing something. Calorie surplus to grow I understand that, but protein to build muscle.. so how can you grow muscle from those calories?
Your total protein intake through out the day is what is important. If you hit that goal, after that is really up to yoi. More protein =/= more muscle. Its just not a linear relationship like that.
And you can definitely eat late at night..3 -
foresterfishing666 wrote: »There are ~820 calories in 115 g of butter and ~385 calories in 100 g of sugar... 1205 calories!
Holy hell! But none of that will build muscle.. or there's no protein. . Or am I missing something. Calorie surplus to grow I understand that, but protein to build muscle.. so how can you grow muscle from those calories?
Your total protein intake through out the day is what is important. If you hit that goal, after that is really up to yoi. More protein =/= more muscle. Its just not a linear relationship like that.
And you can definitely eat late at night..
Kind of like how you don't get fat solely from eating fat. You do need the amino acids from the protein to repair and build muscles, but then you fill the muscle tissue up with glycogen from the carbs.1 -
Just when your kinda doing OK, the weather changes. It gets hot and you don't feel like eating nor can you be bothered doing anything when you get home. It's a tough balance!0
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foresterfishing666 wrote: »There are ~820 calories in 115 g of butter and ~385 calories in 100 g of sugar... 1205 calories!
Holy hell! But none of that will build muscle.. or there's no protein. . Or am I missing something. Calorie surplus to grow I understand that, but protein to build muscle.. so how can you grow muscle from those calories?
but you're not only eating those 1205 cals... you're eating other things that include protein?0 -
TavistockToad wrote: »foresterfishing666 wrote: »There are ~820 calories in 115 g of butter and ~385 calories in 100 g of sugar... 1205 calories!
Holy hell! But none of that will build muscle.. or there's no protein. . Or am I missing something. Calorie surplus to grow I understand that, but protein to build muscle.. so how can you grow muscle from those calories?
but you're not only eating those 1205 cals... you're eating other things that include protein?
Yes, was just saying there's no protein in sugar and butter but that will help boost the calories after you hit your protein mark0
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