Once I start eating, I want to keep eating
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[Sounds much like myself as well. So 16:8 is eating for only eight hours per day. Say, skip breakfast and only eat lunch and dinner. So a window of eating. Say you eat your first meal at noon. Then eat your last meal before eight. It’s easier for me, for ME, to not focus so much on the time, instead just eating my two meals when I’m really hungry.
Last month I started doing this. Mainly unintentionally. I just stopped eating breakfast and started focusing on eating a big lunch and a bigger dinner. And I cut out snacking. Not because snacking is ‘bad’. I am just better able to control my mindless eating habits that way. I binge eat.
I hope that helps.
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Yes, it is very helpful. Thank you for sharing
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Try chewing minty gum when it is time to stop eating. Seems to work for me to stop going back for more.4
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quiksylver296 wrote: »This time of year is always a struggle for me with all the sweets and goodies around. And then there are the food pushers.
Food pushers? What an odd phrase. Sounds like a total victim statement to me, unless they are literally holding you down and pushing food down your throat. And if they are, you should probably call the police and report assault and battery.
Victim statements help hold us in our ruts. Seeing people as "food pushers" puts the blame that you ate the food on them, instead of on you where it belongs. I'm not saying eating the food is even inherently wrong. I'm saying the mindset needs changed in order to be successful.
I guess you don't have a grandmother? Just try saying 'no thanks' to mine!10 -
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quiksylver296 wrote: »MegaMooseEsq wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »This time of year is always a struggle for me with all the sweets and goodies around. And then there are the food pushers.
Food pushers? What an odd phrase. Sounds like a total victim statement to me, unless they are literally holding you down and pushing food down your throat. And if they are, you should probably call the police and report assault and battery.
Victim statements help hold us in our ruts. Seeing people as "food pushers" puts the blame that you ate the food on them, instead of on you where it belongs. I'm not saying eating the food is even inherently wrong. I'm saying the mindset needs changed in order to be successful.
Although I agree with you on the mind-set point, "food pusher" perfectly describes a woman I work with. Yesterday she walked up to my desk, handed me a cookie, then stood there until I took a bite.
She would have been in for a rude awakening with me, if I hadn't felt like having the cookie right then.
Same. There's NO way I would ever let someone force me to eat something. I care much more about my health than I do hurt feelings over uneaten food.
Meh, no one's diet ever failed over an unexpected cookie now and then. Especially if you don't have easy access to additional cookies. I totally get bodily autonomy and all, but I work in an open office and maintaining goodwill is worth it to me. I wish people weren't so weird about food, especially around the holidays, but that's just not the fight I'm willing to fight. I save that energy for people who touch my hair without asking. Ug.12 -
One of the main reasons I follow 16:8 is because eating breakfast early in the morning makes me hungrier than if I just wait to lunch.
There have also been times where I wasn't hungry, but someone offered me a snack or whatever and eating that made me ravenous.
That sounds a lot like me. Thank you for sharing that. May I ask what 16:8 means? I am new here.
16 hours - "fasting" and then limit meals to an 8 hour window.1 -
IF may help some and hurt others. Sometimes if you IF you may find yourself over hungry and feel it more difficult to hit the "stop" button. IF can also be good with a shorter eating window if you're finding you like having an eating window in general but not make it so extreme that it isn't sustainable. Also, getting adequate protein and fiber in first and foremost can help to tame the hanger. Meals with low/sugar help too.
Personally, even healthy things like oatmeal just do not fill me up when I'm truly hungry. It takes a good 25-35g of protein to truly satiate me for a few hours and get my mind off food, especially after a taxing workout. Around TOM I also get hanger to a more extreme level where I'll be eating while thinking about what to eat next. Thankfully, I am cutting slowly so I allow myself a lot more calories than most women do on here, and am able to still lose without losing my mind.
I can definitely relate in the past though to IF exacerbating the "I can't stop once I break my fast" feeling. It is much rarer these days and I do attribute that to emphasizing protein macros instead of just calories, and not getting into too deep of a deficit.2 -
Disclaimer: I didn't read the thread. What follows may well be repetitive and vaguely annoying because of that factor.
Okay, so...doesn't appetite get stimulated by eating? I remember reading that somewhere, but I can't remember whether it was in a medical journal or in Cracked Magazine or on the back of my hand jotted down after hearing it in a commercial or what. Anyway, I always found this to be true BUT I don't see that as a disorder or a negative issue. It's the way we are supposed to be. Isn't it?
Am I just crazy...?
I remember as a teen we kids never ate breakfast, and often skipped lunch too. Then somebody would come out with a snack to share in the afternoon and THEN we'd all be ravenous. One bite and we'd be off to the races.
The only tip I can think of out of the above example is: don't let yourself get to the point where that first bite will be something out of NatGeo like a tiger falling upon a gazelle and frantically ripping its neck out. I still am stimulated appetite-wise by eating but not to that desperation stage if I'm not starving myself with excessive undereating to begin with.
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Keep a log to figure out exactly what your "trigger foods" are. For example, my trigger foods for overeating are peppermint jo-jos, cashew milk ice cream, thin mints, and saltines. If I open the box/carton, sleeve, I will eat the entire thing. The trick is to find a way to prevent yourself from overeating these foods. I use substitution (A Luna chocolate peppermint bar instead of jo-jos and thin mints, vanilla coconut milk ice cream with a drizzle of Hershey's syrup instead of chocolate cashew milk ice cream, and triscuits instead of saltines (same salty taste but more fiber). I also tend to keep my trigger foods out of my house so I have to make a special trip if I want to eat them. I do indulge occasionally, but creating a strategy to help manage my binge foods really helps me keep it under control. You are in charge of your eating, your eating is not in charge of you.5
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Don't forget to stay on track in the help forums. If you would like to discuss grandmas, hair, or graham crackers feel free to visit the chit chat section.
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I am like this right now with my rum and egg nog. CHEERS!0
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quiksylver296 wrote: »This time of year is always a struggle for me with all the sweets and goodies around. And then there are the food pushers.
Food pushers? What an odd phrase. Sounds like a total victim statement to me, unless they are literally holding you down and pushing food down your throat. And if they are, you should probably call the police and report assault and battery.
Victim statements help hold us in our ruts. Seeing people as "food pushers" puts the blame that you ate the food on them, instead of on you where it belongs. I'm not saying eating the food is even inherently wrong. I'm saying the mindset needs changed in order to be successful.
I had someone send me a big box of chocolate 2 gingerbread kits...an assorted hot chocolate flavor box... and a 4.4 POUND box of my weakness- chocolate chip cookies. I opened the box of chocolates and inhaled them...Wrapped the cookies and hot chocolates up and plan to regift them. I have no self control and the person knows that she has tried on repeat to sabotage me. Glad i sort of navigated it to the best of my ability lol. The box of cookies is 9500 calories alone and id of inhaled them all uncontrollably. Hope i get it out of my place and gifted away before i get a cookie craving xD
Food pusher is a thing, But yeah gotta navigate best we can. There will always be people acting hurt if you dont want their cookies or a slice of their birthday cake. My story wasnt really a food pusher, Im just proud of me
its literally the first time iv had baked goods in my house im not eating. Ever. Normally its 100% uncontrollable. Like the giant box of chocolates i figured i could have a few of then put out of my way lol. nope. If i opened the box of cookies itd of been over for me
edited to add: lol anyone here around for my aunt and butter coffee XD? id say thats food pushing3 -
JaydedMiss wrote: »I had someone send me a big box of chocolate 2 gingerbread kits...an assorted hot chocolate flavor box... and a 4.4 POUND box of my weakness- chocolate chip cookies. I opened the box of chocolates and inhaled them...Wrapped the cookies and hot chocolates up and plan to regift them. I have no self control and the person knows that she has tried on repeat to sabotage me. Glad i sort of navigated it to the best of my ability lol. The box of cookies is 9500 calories alone and id of inhaled them all uncontrollably. Hope i get it out of my place and gifted away before i get a cookie craving xD
.. And that is when potlucks are a beautiful thing.1 -
... Just make sure you run at the end before the organizer can chase you down with the bin of remaining cookies.
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quiksylver296 wrote: »This time of year is always a struggle for me with all the sweets and goodies around. And then there are the food pushers.
Food pushers? What an odd phrase. Sounds like a total victim statement to me, unless they are literally holding you down and pushing food down your throat. And if they are, you should probably call the police and report assault and battery.
Victim statements help hold us in our ruts. Seeing people as "food pushers" puts the blame that you ate the food on them, instead of on you where it belongs. I'm not saying eating the food is even inherently wrong. I'm saying the mindset needs changed in order to be successful.
Apparently you've never encountered the person who is insulted when you try to say "no" to their offer of food? They have worked SO hard preparing it and is it going to kill you to just eat a little I call these people food pushers and diet sabotagers. Your mileage may vary 4 -
I think people push food for a number of reasons. They may not deliberately be trying to sabotage anything. Gatherings, for example, seem made for food and always have, all the way back through history in probably every major culture across the globe. Somebody not eating feels odd and non-celebratory to some. I personally don't push but I can see where some people might.
I have had food sort of pushed on me but usually by one generation up (i.e. in-laws) which I think is a standard "parenting" thing...I say no with a smile and then they leave me alone about it and we get back to the laughs.
If someone were seriously insulted and proceeded to make an issue out of it, right there in public, I think people would be staring more in a disturbed way at me than at them.2 -
It happens to me too when I eat carb-based or sweet food such as fruit or rice (and of course junk food). I guess it can be related to "glycemic index" of these foods, so I try eating foods with low glycemic index instead3
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Interesting! I am going to check into this. Thank you for sharing that ideaIt happens to me too when I eat carb-based or sweet food such as fruit or rice (and of course junk food). I guess it can be related to "glycemic index" of these foods, so I try eating foods with low glycemic index instead
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Off topic: Say yes to persistant food pushers, but then pass it on to someone else once they are gone, or if not possible, take it home and bin it. "Thanks! That looks delicious! I'll save it for later!"
On topic: I sympathise - I tend to have a late, light lunch, a large dinner and then my breakfast in the evening as a dessert ^^ If you are the sort of person who doesn't feel hungry during the day until they've had their first bite, IF will probably be the best approach for you.2 -
I have had food sort of pushed on me but usually by one generation up (i.e. in-laws) which I think is a standard "parenting" thing...I say no with a smile and then they leave me alone about it and we get back to the laughs.
I'm not talking about the people who just offer you food. I'm talking about those who just keep talking until they get you to eat their "whatever". And their "whatever" is not usually something healthy The problem, too, is that we are taught to be polite, gracious and kind. Get along and don't create a "stir". 4 -
Off topic: Say yes to persistant food pushers, but then pass it on to someone else once they are gone, or if not possible, take it home and bin it. "Thanks! That looks delicious! I'll save it for later!"
On topic: I sympathise - I tend to have a late, light lunch, a large dinner and then my breakfast in the evening as a dessert ^^ If you are the sort of person who doesn't feel hungry during the day until they've had their first bite, IF will probably be the best approach for you.
I'd never heard of IF before I came here and didn't realized it was a legitimate way to eat. I wouldn't tell people when I skipped meals before, as there seemed to be judgement that I didn't do things the "normal way". I appreciate that you shared that's it's ok to be different and to find our own path.0 -
I have had food sort of pushed on me but usually by one generation up (i.e. in-laws) which I think is a standard "parenting" thing...I say no with a smile and then they leave me alone about it and we get back to the laughs.
I'm not talking about the people who just offer you food. I'm talking about those who just keep talking until they get you to eat their "whatever". And their "whatever" is not usually something healthy The problem, too, is that we are taught to be polite, gracious and kind. Get along and don't create a "stir".
I hear you about not wanting to cause a stir. I work in an open office set-up too, so there's absolutely no privacy if things get awkward. Top some genuine, diagnoses social anxiety on top of it, and you've got a real headache. I think you just have to go easy on yourself, take it slow, and stick to it. The only way a single goof-up (or many different goof-ups!) will ruin your progress is if you don't learn from it.1 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »This time of year is always a struggle for me with all the sweets and goodies around. And then there are the food pushers.
Food pushers? What an odd phrase. Sounds like a total victim statement to me, unless they are literally holding you down and pushing food down your throat. And if they are, you should probably call the police and report assault and battery.
Victim statements help hold us in our ruts. Seeing people as "food pushers" puts the blame that you ate the food on them, instead of on you where it belongs. I'm not saying eating the food is even inherently wrong. I'm saying the mindset needs changed in order to be successful.
Apparently you've never encountered the person who is insulted when you try to say "no" to their offer of food? They have worked SO hard preparing it and is it going to kill you to just eat a little I call these people food pushers and diet sabotagers. Your mileage may vary
This is my husband. For him, Love is food, and the look on his face if i refuse to accept his offerings is just heartbreaking... He doesn't hold me down and shove food in my mouth, as someone mentioned. But my willpower is only so strong, and sooner or later i do break.
He also tosses chips my way when he's opened a bag, like I'm a freaking seagull or something!! Some days I'll throw them back at him, other times i'll indulge.
As for the topic of the thread.. I put off eating for as long as possible, I usually have my first bit of food between 1-3pm, as once i start the hunger monster has been unleashed and it's 1000 x harder to keep it under control.4 -
One skill that is often not taught or practiced is eating mindfully. Actually tasting and savoring the food rather than wolfing it down. It is natural to want to inhale food but when one slows down and pauses and really experiences the food the mind can really register pleasure and feel full.4
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This is what helps me because this was definitely my problem at first and still is sometimes.
I don't like to say I follow intermittent fasting because I feel like IF is just an eating pattern. Don't really understand why it needs a name but I wait as long as I can to start eating during the day.
I wake up at 8am usually, I drink a large coffee or 2 (it works as an appetite suppressant to me but I think this is more of a placebo effect because I've associated coffee with not eating), I start eating anywhere between 1pm-2pm, I have supper at 5-6pm and then a snack around 9-10pm.
Sometimes I want to eat all day tho. Usually around my time of the month I get ravenous. I eat at maintenance for a couple days around this time.
Also somebody mentioned hot sauce. I started adding hot sauce to my food not even knowing what I was doing lol I never really ate hot sauce before I started losing weight. Adding hot sauce to everything I think has really helped me eat slower and feel full when I'm done my meal. My favourite is frank's buffalo sauce. Yum
What I also do is I never make more food then I need to make. I cook for 3 people. I make 3 servings. If I'm still hungry after then that's too bad I will have a snack later.1 -
As for the topic of the thread.. I put off eating for as long as possible, I usually have my first bit of food between 1-3pm, as once i start the hunger monster has been unleashed and it's 1000 x harder to keep it under control.[/quote]
Wow! I relate to this! Thank you, Christine 0 -
As for the topic of the thread.. I put off eating for as long as possible, I usually have my first bit of food between 1-3pm, as once i start the hunger monster has been unleashed and it's 1000 x harder to keep it under control.
Wow! I relate to this! Thank you, Christine[/quote]
I have an extra helping hand from coffee and tea, which helps keep my tummy not feeling empty. I always have one or the other next to me all morning.
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eliciaobrien1 wrote: »This is what helps me because this was definitely my problem at first and still is sometimes.
I wake up at 8am usually, I drink a large coffee or 2 (it works as an appetite suppressant to me but I think this is more of a placebo effect because I've associated coffee with not eating), I start eating anywhere between 1pm-2pm, I have supper at 5-6pm and then a snack around 9-10pm.
What I also do is I never make more food then I need to make. I cook for 3 people. I make 3 servings. If I'm still hungry after then that's too bad I will have a snack later.
Thanks, Elicia, for sharing what works for you. I really appreciate the tips.
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Thank you for sharing this. I always felt like I was an oddball with my eating issues, but your post and some of the others rings a bell with me. As an example of well meaning people who have given advice: Some (not in this group) have insisted to me that I MUST eat breakfast. I am never hungry at breakfast time, so it causes 2 issues for me: unwanted calorie intake AND it sets me up to overeat that day. The other thing you mentioned that rings true with me is the multiple small meals thing. That does NOT work for me eitherThis is why I do IF. It is much harder for me to eat small meals and stop before getting full than to just wait and then be able to eat tell full. Fortunately I can do a 16:8 IF and maintain eating ad libitium in the evenings (eat about a 600 cal lunch) and can do a 20:4 IF and eat ad libitum in the evenings and will lose weight. Eating tell full is important for me to be able to do IF the next day.
I've never had a binging problem but on a couple of occasions where I have fasted about 20-hrs or so and didn't eat enough the day before and started eating before I got home from work, I would go on what people above described as a binge which was I'm eating about 1500 cals or so and I'm not stopping or even going to try before I feel like I can or am going to stop. I don't get that doing IF if I eat a reasonable amount the day before but that could happen if I eat too little.
Weird how things change but as a teenager and in my 20's, I was very lean and prided myself on how much I could eat. I would occasionally have competitions with my little brother to see who could eat the most. Those days are gone for sure!
I could eat anything when I was younger, too. Didn't start to have a weight problem until after I had my first child. Then it was just 5 or 10 lbs. It started really being a problem keeping my weight down after 40 for me.
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My problem is I love breakfast, brunch, lunch, afternoon snack, dinner, and an evening snack! IF helps me keep it in check.1
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