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Too Much Carbs And Sugars Stunt Optimal Growth/Height Potential For Children
OuchArtist
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I'm not sure if there are any studies out there addressing this exact thing, but it's well known that when insulin is present in the body, it acts as an anti-HGH (growth hormone), the crucial hormone critical for growth of children especially in their puberty years...
I observed some of my young relatives growing infront of me, and when I look back at it, those who grew to be tall and well-built, I remember them being not so good fans of 3 meals a day or snacking in between meals,they would skip breakfast, or even lunch sometimes, not allowing insulin be present 24/7 like some children who eat candies non-stop.
Also some parents, think that stuffing their children with calcium or vitamin D, will be enough for bone growth, ignoring the fact that nutrients work together in the body, in this case, magnesium, boron, vitamin D, and calcium work together in the body to build healthy bones.
I would like to see some insight from your side yall guys too.
I observed some of my young relatives growing infront of me, and when I look back at it, those who grew to be tall and well-built, I remember them being not so good fans of 3 meals a day or snacking in between meals,they would skip breakfast, or even lunch sometimes, not allowing insulin be present 24/7 like some children who eat candies non-stop.
Also some parents, think that stuffing their children with calcium or vitamin D, will be enough for bone growth, ignoring the fact that nutrients work together in the body, in this case, magnesium, boron, vitamin D, and calcium work together in the body to build healthy bones.
I would like to see some insight from your side yall guys too.
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I don't know any children who "eat candies non stop".
I know lots of tall children who are fairly inactive. I know lots of small, active children. I know lots of children who eat lots of carbs, both tall and short.9 -
livingleanlivingclean wrote: »I don't know any children who "eat candies non stop".
I know lots of tall children who are fairly inactive. I know lots of small, active children. I know lots of children who eat lots of carbs, both tall and short.
Sure, your genes play a big factor, but you will not live to your full genetic potential most likely.
But who knows, I could be wrong.9 -
Yeah no..... I don't think so. This is just more carb fear mongering.11
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Insulin is always in the body. If it prohibited growth, we'd all be tiny babies.17
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Insulin is always in the body. If it prohibited growth, we'd all be tiny babies.
It's not.
When you sleep you are allowing some time to secrete enough HGH without insulin for most of your growth, that's why sleep is so recommended at all times, however, my point is, though you'll grow, you are not gonna grow to your full genetic potential that you would tap into if you were to limit your insulin secretion.
It is becoming clear that we are meant to eat one meal a day, and people around the world are experiencing the best health benefits eating just one meal a day, just like our ancestors used to.35 -
As someone married to a type 1 diabetic, the idea that somehow insulin is bad is mind boggling.
A family friend had was diagnosed with type 1 as a small child. So never ate candy, very regulated insulin and carb intake, and he's shorter than me. His brother, who doesn't have diabetes is 6 foot.6 -
You do realise that insulin is an anabolic hormone?
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Yes if this theory were true, people with juvenile type 1 diabetes would all be small - clearly that is not the case, and as far as I know there is no average difference between height of people who had juvenile type 1 diabetes and those who didnt.
Not sure all our ancestors - ie all primitive people throughout the whole world - ate one meal a day either.
I suspect a lot of gatherers in hunter gatherer societies snacked on food as they gathered it
and certainly many mothers carried babies in slings and suchlike and breastfed them a lot more constantly than we tend to do in our society.
By this theory such practice would stunt the babies growth - yet we all know babies in their first year have the fastest growth rate of all human life.
I think there are no studies proving this because it is a false premise.2 -
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OuchArtist wrote: »Insulin is always in the body. If it prohibited growth, we'd all be tiny babies.
It's not.
When you sleep you are allowing some time to secrete enough HGH without insulin for most of your growth, that's why sleep is so recommended at all times, however, my point is, though you'll grow, you are not gonna grow to your full genetic potential that you would tap into if you were to limit your insulin secretion.
It is becoming clear that we are meant to eat one meal a day, and people around the world are experiencing the best health benefits eating just one meal a day, just like our ancestors used to.
Humans were only 'meant' to adapt, survive, and procreate, not follow some eating pattern. Oh and take a class, you have no clue about what insulin does. I can already tell which 'guru' you get your crap info from13 -
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the human body is complicated and amazing. A diet that is too high in sugar isn't good for kids, without a doubt. To be healthy, we need to keep a good balance in our diets. I think it would be stretch to say that someone is short because they ate too much candy as a child.
https://www.endocrineweb.com/conditions/type-1-diabetes/what-insulin1 -
I'm short, and candy was a rare treat while I was growing up. Both my parents are at least a few inches taller than me. I don't know what my genetic potential is, but I highly doubt that candy stunted my growth. I was a very active and thin child. I don't think that you will find much support for your theories that we are meant to consume OMAD, or that sugar in childhood reduces growth. Perhaps the lack of studies is because there is no support for these theories.2
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So my son might have grown to 6'8" insteadf of only 6'5" if he had more eggs for breakfast instead of cereal?
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livingleanlivingclean wrote: »I don't know any children who "eat candies non stop".
I know lots of tall children who are fairly inactive. I know lots of small, active children. I know lots of children who eat lots of carbs, both tall and short.
You’d almost think that a bunch of random, anecdotal observations had no predictive value.11 -
What a load of rubbish.
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OuchArtist wrote: »It is becoming clear that we are meant to eat one meal a day, and people around the world are experiencing the best health benefits eating just one meal a day, just like our ancestors used to.
Becoming clear to whom? I honestly want to know how anybody proves that our ancestors ate only one meal a day.
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I'm not even going to quote the pile of woo in the OP, but I'll just leave this here:
https://weightology.net/insulin-an-undeserved-bad-reputation/
[ETA:] I was 6'7" by the time I was 16 years old and I ate 3 meals a day plus snacks. My younger brother is 6'6". And we ate plenty of carbs and sugar as a kid. So no.8 -
I don't see this in my kids and they have a huge height variation between them. They are still growing but my oldest, who eats a lot of whole foods but has a sweet tooth, is short. My second son eats beige food that is moderate to high carb and is taller than his high school aged brother. My youngest, who probably eats the widest variety of foods, is very tall with men's size 10 feet at age 10 - he is moderate to low carb.
I think that is an issue for classical/medical ketogenic diets only, where calories and protein is restricted. For a child eating adequate calories and protein, I cannot see how growth would differ between those with high, moderate, or low carb diets.0 -
1) You admit right off that there are no studies.
2) You still assert that your claims are "well known" and "becoming clear" despite the lack of studies.
3) This is one of the biggest loads of bovine excrement I've ever had the privilege to read on these forums.17 -
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OuchArtist wrote: »I'm not sure if there are any studies out there addressing this exact thing, but it's well known that when insulin is present in the body, it acts as an anti-HGH (growth hormone), the crucial hormone critical for growth of children especially in their puberty years.
What is your source that claims insulin inhibits growth hormone?
Insulin is a hormone produced by the pancreas to help regulate blood sugar. It is necessary for proper body function. Obviously it does not inhibit growth to have insulin present in your body or none of us would grow.
https://www.endocrineweb.com/conditions/type-1-diabetes/what-insulin
Human growth hormone is secreted by the pituitary gland. Growth hormone deficiency "results primarily from damage to the hypothalamus or to the pituitary gland during fetal development (congenital GH deficiency) or following birth (acquired GH deficiency). GH deficiency may also be caused by mutations in genes that regulate its synthesis and secretion" from https://www.britannica.com/science/growth-hormone
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OuchArtist wrote: »But who knows, I could be wrong.
I’m going with this...11 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »1) You admit right off that there are no studies.
2) You still assert that your claims are "well known" and "becoming clear" despite the lack of studies.
3) This is one of the biggest loads of bovine excrement I've ever had the privilege to read on these forums.
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nutmegoreo wrote: »I'm short, and candy was a rare treat while I was growing up. Both my parents are at least a few inches taller than me. I don't know what my genetic potential is, but I highly doubt that candy stunted my growth. I was a very active and thin child. I don't think that you will find much support for your theories that we are meant to consume OMAD, or that sugar in childhood reduces growth. Perhaps the lack of studies is because there is no support for these theories.
It's not a matter of comparing people.. it's a matter of would you have grown taller by an inch or two than your current height if you limited insulin during your early years.10 -
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OuchArtist wrote: »I'm not sure if there are any studies out there addressing this exact thing, but it's well known that when insulin is present in the body, it acts as an anti-HGH (growth hormone), the crucial hormone critical for growth of children especially in their puberty years.
What is your source that claims insulin inhibits growth hormone?
Insulin is a hormone produced by the pancreas to help regulate blood sugar. It is necessary for proper body function. Obviously it does not inhibit growth to have insulin present in your body or none of us would grow.
https://www.endocrineweb.com/conditions/type-1-diabetes/what-insulin
Human growth hormone is secreted by the pituitary gland. Growth hormone deficiency "results primarily from damage to the hypothalamus or to the pituitary gland during fetal development (congenital GH deficiency) or following birth (acquired GH deficiency). GH deficiency may also be caused by mutations in genes that regulate its synthesis and secretion" from https://www.britannica.com/science/growth-hormone
Insulin and growth hormone play antagonist roles against one another. When one is elevated, the other will be low, period.
You have to read some more studies on the subject.8
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