Apple cider vinegar
myles1230
Posts: 163 Member
Has anyone tried incorporating apple cider vinegar to there daily diet regimen? And how has it or hasn’t it made a difference with your body? Debate:apple cider vinegar or not to apple cider vinegar? That is the question!
9
Replies
-
The question is.... Have you found the search function yet? It's incredibly useful!
I use it in salad dressing. Apparently it's great in cooking pulled pork.15 -
There is an ACV thread currently going on in Food and Nutrition. This is (basically) what I posted there:
It doesn't generically help with health or cause weight loss. Some have specific health issues where it might be helpful, or worth a try (some types of digestive issues/reflux respond positively, and it can be helpful in reducing the effect of starchy foods on blood sugar if you have blood sugar issues, but a lot more is significant to that and that doesn't affect weight loss). I never had any of those issues so haven't tried it for those kinds of things.
It's one of many fermented foods that could be helpful to the gut biome (eating a healthful diet overall is more significant, focusing on having a bit of ACV is definitely missing the forest for the trees if one does not have a good diet and make sure calories are on point and so on). I would never personally consume ACV on its own, as if it were medicine, but I love fermented foods and vinegars and use it in my cooking.
There's nothing special about ACV, for the record -- the benefit (as a fermented food) is the presence of the live culture, which could exist in any vinegar (although ACV is more often sold that way). You can make your own, too.
If you want to experiment with the effect of ACV on weight loss, eat at maintenance for 6 weeks and track rigorously and then eat the same diet for a second 6 weeks without changing your activity level and add in ACV. I don't believe the ACV would make a difference, but if you think it would, that's a way to find out (within the limited usefulness of n=1).6 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »...I don't believe the ACV would make a difference, but if you think it would, that's a way to find out (within the limited usefulness of n=1).
If n=1 and the experiment subject believes ACV will make a difference, the placebo effect ought to create one
Nice summary, @lemurcat123 -
FWIW: Every night I drink a TBS of ACV plus a big pinch of salt in about 10-12 oz. of water. It seems to help my night time leg cramps. FYI: I'm a 77 year old insulin-dependent diabetic who runs and lifts weight; my diet for the last several months has been Ketogenic, and some of those websites recommend it. May not be too applicable to you. (But at least it's not a sarcastic snarl.)3
-
It won't do anything except damage your tooth enamel potentially.6
-
There really is no debate. There are no properties in ACV that work with increasing metabolic rate nor displacing the calories in food you eat.
The world still has to understand that to lose weight, you need to just eat less than you burn. That's the main formula.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
7 -
I was taking ACV twice a day for several weeks. Apparently this was too much, ended up with digestive issues and stomach pain. The first thing the doctor told me was to stop taking it. Had to go on some meds, change my diet to high fiber, and drink a ton of water for about 3 months before the stomach issues cleared up. The doctor said the ACV upset the chemical balance in my digestive system. I'll never take it on a daily basis again. I'm sure if you take a small amount daily, like 1 teaspoon, it would be ok....but please be careful too much is definitely a bad thing.5
-
Thanks for the feedback! I think I’ll skip the ACV! Lol5
-
Hi there is some support for vinegar in weight loss
This info is from The Blood Sugar Diet book by Michael Mosley.
One thing regarding ACV i am told that the most beneficial is the the ACV which is cloudy type known as "The mother " take a tablespoon in water daily if you fancy it .21 -
Hi there is some support for vinegar in weight loss
This info is from The Blood Sugar Diet book by Michael Mosley.
One thing regarding ACV i am told that the most beneficial is the the ACV which is cloudy type known as "The mother " take a tablespoon in water daily if you fancy it .
Thanks bud!4 -
...This info is from The Blood Sugar Diet book by Michael Mosley...
Diet woo (ACV) supported by more diet woo (Mosley’s bogus book) doesn’t make it any more true.
There is no scientifically supported evidence of ACV having any effectiveness whatsoever, in any way, in weight loss.brightresolve wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »...I don't believe the ACV would make a difference, but if you think it would, that's a way to find out (within the limited usefulness of n=1).
If n=1 and the experiment subject believes ACV will make a difference, the placebo effect ought to create one
Nice summary, @lemurcat12
The placebo effect is very powerful indeed. If people want to believe hard enough, they'll attribute anything to the substance/thing they believe in.
BCAAs are a great example of the placebo effect. They've been scientifically shown to have no benefit to muscle mass gain, and in fact be potentially detrimental to it - yet people will swear by them as being magic because they want to believe whether the science supports it or not.5 -
livingleanlivingclean wrote: »The question is.... Have you found the search function yet? It's incredibly useful!
I use it in salad dressing. Apparently it's great in cooking pulled pork.
(https://www.healthline.com/health/gout/apple-cider-vinegar#modal-close)6 -
This content has been removed.
-
The problem with citations in books like Mosely's and and in references like the HealthLine article is this: science is a dialog over time, and citing a study or two as proof doesn't work. Over time others will attempt to replicate research results, and as a consequence, some results are validated, others aren't. That's what "scientifically validated" means. You can find individual studies to "prove" anything you want -- this is called "proof texting" in theology.
Case in point: In 1989, two researchers (Fleischmann and Pons) published a study that suggested they'd found a way to initiate a cold fusion reaction. The press went wild because -- if true -- all our energy problems were solved: pollution-free energy and lots of it from water and catalysts. Turns out they were in error: other researchers couldn't reproduce their results. However, research continues as does the argument over cold fusion; see:
https://www.wired.com/1998/11/coldfusion/
If you think research in medical and nutritional fields is any different, you're fooling yourself. That's how scientific research works and authors like Mosely either don't understand this or they're deliberately manipulating their readers. If like Mulder from the X Files you Want To Believe in ACV, better make sure you wash your mouth after drinking it, or make sure you've got good dental coverage.10 -
moosmum1972 wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »The question is.... Have you found the search function yet? It's incredibly useful!
I use it in salad dressing. Apparently it's great in cooking pulled pork.
(https://www.healthline.com/health/gout/apple-cider-vinegar#modal-close)
Try proper scientific studies not trite
It references studies if you looked.6 -
The problem with citations in books like Mosely's and and in references like the HealthLine article is this: science is a dialog over time, and citing a study or two as proof doesn't work. Over time others will attempt to replicate research results, and as a consequence, some results are validated, others aren't. That's what "scientifically validated" means. You can find individual studies to "prove" anything you want -- this is called "proof texting" in theology.
Case in point: In 1989, two researchers (Fleischmann and Pons) published a study that suggested they'd found a way to initiate a cold fusion reaction. The press went wild because -- if true -- all our energy problems were solved: pollution-free energy and lots of it from water and catalysts. Turns out they were in error: other researchers couldn't reproduce their results. However, research continues as does the argument over cold fusion; see:
https://www.wired.com/1998/11/coldfusion/
If you think research in medical and nutritional fields is any different, you're fooling yourself. That's how scientific research works and authors like Mosely either don't understand this or they're deliberately manipulating their readers. If like Mulder from the X Files you Want To Believe in ACV, better make sure you wash your mouth after drinking it, or make sure you've got good dental coverage.
Agree with all that. That is the reason people shouldn't make definitive statements it has no effect either when it hasn't been determined.9 -
The problem with citations in books like Mosely's and and in references like the HealthLine article is this: science is a dialog over time, and citing a study or two as proof doesn't work. Over time others will attempt to replicate research results, and as a consequence, some results are validated, others aren't. That's what "scientifically validated" means. You can find individual studies to "prove" anything you want -- this is called "proof texting" in theology.
Case in point: In 1989, two researchers (Fleischmann and Pons) published a study that suggested they'd found a way to initiate a cold fusion reaction. The press went wild because -- if true -- all our energy problems were solved: pollution-free energy and lots of it from water and catalysts. Turns out they were in error: other researchers couldn't reproduce their results. However, research continues as does the argument over cold fusion; see:
https://www.wired.com/1998/11/coldfusion/
If you think research in medical and nutritional fields is any different, you're fooling yourself. That's how scientific research works and authors like Mosely either don't understand this or they're deliberately manipulating their readers. If like Mulder from the X Files you Want To Believe in ACV, better make sure you wash your mouth after drinking it, or make sure you've got good dental coverage.
Agree with all that. That is the reason people shouldn't make definitive statements it has no effect either when it hasn't been determined.
Anybody with even the most rudimentary grasp of physiology would understand why all the miracles attributed to ACV are pure BS.4 -
Yes, placebo effect certainly is powerful - obviously why studies use double blind placebo comparisons - ie neither subjects nor providers (cant think of right word) know which substance is real and which is placebo.
I've seen various medical studies on whether med x improves asthma, reflux, whatever - always the placebo group also has improvement.
although of course, for a medication to be validated, significantly less than the medication group
On a personal level nothing wrong with placebo - as long as we recognise it as such.
To give exagerated example - if i lose weight whenever i say "I am sticking to my calorie allowance" 10 times before I get out of bed - then no reason to stop doing so nor to discredit the power of such.
Just don't claim it has scientific validity or universal application.0 -
Related to the past few posts, especially vingogly's and paperpudding's--
Back in the early 2000s I lost weight for the first time (and the only time until 2014 -- I kept off the weight I lost for the majority of the time period in-between). Around the time I decided to lose, I read something somewhere about milk being helpful for weight loss (there was one study that concluded that, if memory serves). I had intended to start eating breakfast again anyway (I didn't up 'til that point), and decided that having one glass of milk in the mornings (it was skim) would be a nice way to start the day. I also changed my diet some and, mostly made it more regular, based around breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and planned out (before then I'd basically done what would now be called IFing -- nothing 'til afternoon and then eating whatever I wanted, including a big dinner, and I'd gained weight, clearly, although it had nothing to do with skipping breakfast, it was food choices).
Anyway, I enjoyed the milk and was convinced that the study had been correct and that consuming the milk helped me lose fast (2 lb/week, I wasn't logging, I was 180 when I started and lost to 120, although it slowed down at the end). Among other things, I was convinced it was why I was miraculously not hungry, despite eating less by a lot than I had been.
Eventually I stopped drinking milk again. When I decided to lose again in 2014, I remembered the studies and looked and saw it seemed that one study had been kind of a fluke, some claimed dairy (or skim dairy) was bad for weight loss, and mostly it didn't seem to have an effect. Since I didn't particularly want to use calories on milk and now liked eggs for breakfast, I didn't start consuming milk again, and yet once again I lost fast, was not hungry, and seemed to respond well to having a meal plan based around breakfast, lunch, dinner, no snacking.
I figured that the perceived benefits of the milk before had been me assuming the study was right and attributing to it what I'd expected to happen, but which had other causes.
I think people do the same thing about lots of other dietary magic they decide they think will work, including (especially) ACV. (You also see it with adding coconut oil and so on.)3 -
There's also a cool study where people take some supplement or a placebo. The people who took the supplement regularly and consistently did better than those who didn't consistently take it. HOWEVER, the people who took the placebo also regularly and consistently also did similarly to those who took the supplement, and those who took it irregularly did similarly to those who took the supplement irregularly.2
-
livingleanlivingclean wrote: »The question is.... Have you found the search function yet? It's incredibly useful!
Unlike ACV.
7 -
Instead of ACV just squeeze some lemon in a glass of water every morning. It boasts metabolism and cleans out unwanted toxins, ACV does the same but it’s not as natural and chemically like lemon.21
-
elcollins2809 wrote: »Instead of ACV just squeeze some lemon in a glass of water every morning. It boasts metabolism and cleans out unwanted toxins, ACV does the same but it’s not as natural and chemically like lemon.
None of that is true.
Name one toxin is cleaning out?1 -
This content has been removed.
-
This content has been removed.
-
January is going to be fun.....6
-
Tacklewasher wrote: »January is going to be fun.....
You, my dear, have a weird definition of fun...1 -
OP - Vinegar, besides being outstanding on salads and in some BBQ sauces, also is an excellent low-cost cleaning product. It is not, however, a magic potion for weight loss.
NOTE TO SELF: I am going to go to the gym tomorrow, purely for the entertainment value :-)0 -
The problem with citations in books like Mosely's and and in references like the HealthLine article is this: science is a dialog over time, and citing a study or two as proof doesn't work. Over time others will attempt to replicate research results, and as a consequence, some results are validated, others aren't. That's what "scientifically validated" means. You can find individual studies to "prove" anything you want -- this is called "proof texting" in theology.
Case in point: In 1989, two researchers (Fleischmann and Pons) published a study that suggested they'd found a way to initiate a cold fusion reaction. The press went wild because -- if true -- all our energy problems were solved: pollution-free energy and lots of it from water and catalysts. Turns out they were in error: other researchers couldn't reproduce their results. However, research continues as does the argument over cold fusion; see:
https://www.wired.com/1998/11/coldfusion/
If you think research in medical and nutritional fields is any different, you're fooling yourself. That's how scientific research works and authors like Mosely either don't understand this or they're deliberately manipulating their readers. If like Mulder from the X Files you Want To Believe in ACV, better make sure you wash your mouth after drinking it, or make sure you've got good dental coverage.
Agree with all that. That is the reason people shouldn't make definitive statements it has no effect either when it hasn't been determined.
Anybody with even the most rudimentary grasp of physiology would understand why all the miracles attributed to ACV are pure BS.
There are researches with a large grasp of physiology that have a different opinion for some of the claims. They published some of these claims.9 -
For the ACV proponents...............quit majoring in the minors. If WEIGHT LOSS is the initial goal, ACV has VERY LITTLE to do with it at all. It's like tanning to enhance body pictures. All the tanning ain't gonna make the scale move unless you're actually eating less than you burn.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
3
This discussion has been closed.
Categories
- All Categories
- 1.4M Health, Wellness and Goals
- 393.4K Introduce Yourself
- 43.8K Getting Started
- 260.2K Health and Weight Loss
- 175.9K Food and Nutrition
- 47.4K Recipes
- 232.5K Fitness and Exercise
- 426 Sleep, Mindfulness and Overall Wellness
- 6.5K Goal: Maintaining Weight
- 8.5K Goal: Gaining Weight and Body Building
- 153K Motivation and Support
- 8K Challenges
- 1.3K Debate Club
- 96.3K Chit-Chat
- 2.5K Fun and Games
- 3.7K MyFitnessPal Information
- 24 News and Announcements
- 1.1K Feature Suggestions and Ideas
- 2.6K MyFitnessPal Tech Support Questions