How Fat Loss Works

Nony_Mouse · January 2018

richb178 wrote: »

stevencloser wrote: »

Your BMR is directly influenced by how much you weigh. You can't keep BMR the same as you continue losing weight.
IF or "lowering insulin" doesn't change that fact.

BMR is "influenced" by weight, but there are many other factors. I don't doubt any of these:

http://www.studyandexam.com/factors-of-bmr.html

I believe the problem is that if you lower your CI by X amount that should make you lose 50 lbs, but your BMR et al eventually drop by X amount to balance CI, but you've only lost 25 lbs, then you have a problem. I read about these stalls constantly on this site, as well as weight rebounds. I've experienced neither in 6 months of keto and IF.

Btw, I've since watched some of this body builder's videos and I doubt he would disagree with saying that if you want to reduce body fat should reduce refined carbohydrates and skipping a few meals probably wouldn't hurt either. He seems to promote high protein, which is basically what I'm eating, with a lot of fat coming from my body stores.

I don't have any more time for all your silliness.

IIRC, even in the Minnesota Semi-Starvation Study, which, as the name implies, was at a pretty full on calorie deficit, the participants never got to a point where actual fat loss had stopped, ie their BMR had dropped so much that it equalled calories in. Yeah, your BMR drops (adaptive thermogenesis), but not nearly so much as some people like to make out.

Adaptive thermogenesis is a thing. You can take steps to mitigate adaptive thermogenesis during weight loss. Steps that involve neither keto nor IF.

mmapags · January 2018

Nony_Mouse wrote: »

richb178 wrote: »

stevencloser wrote: »

Your BMR is directly influenced by how much you weigh. You can't keep BMR the same as you continue losing weight.
IF or "lowering insulin" doesn't change that fact.

BMR is "influenced" by weight, but there are many other factors. I don't doubt any of these:

http://www.studyandexam.com/factors-of-bmr.html

I believe the problem is that if you lower your CI by X amount that should make you lose 50 lbs, but your BMR et al eventually drop by X amount to balance CI, but you've only lost 25 lbs, then you have a problem. I read about these stalls constantly on this site, as well as weight rebounds. I've experienced neither in 6 months of keto and IF.

Btw, I've since watched some of this body builder's videos and I doubt he would disagree with saying that if you want to reduce body fat should reduce refined carbohydrates and skipping a few meals probably wouldn't hurt either. He seems to promote high protein, which is basically what I'm eating, with a lot of fat coming from my body stores.

I don't have any more time for all your silliness.

IIRC, even in the Minnesota Semi-Starvation Study, which, as the name implies, was at a pretty full on calorie deficit, the participants never got to a point where actual fat loss had stopped, ie their BMR had dropped so much that it equalled calories in. Yeah, your BMR drops (adaptive thermogenesis), but not nearly so much as some people like to make out.

Adaptive thermogenesis is a thing. You can take steps to mitigate adaptive thermogenesis during weight loss. Steps that involve neither keto nor IF.

I've never tried to lower insulin. Quite the opposite. Exercise, carbs and protein all trigger insulin and are anabolic so help in muscle building. I recently had my BMR tested. I've lost 25 lbs, gained a few lbs of muscle and my BRM has gone up. All while eating all the carbs I can fit in my macro plan. How would that be explained richb178?

Carlos's Yoda video could not be more appropriate.

Poisonedpawn78 · January 2018

Carlos_421 wrote: »

Let’s try not to get this thread closed. It has too much potential to help new members.

I feel like thats exactly what he/she is trying to do.

VintageFeline · January 2018

"this bodybuilder's" LOL

BMR is not the same as NEAT, the two are being conflated.

Take it to the debate section, let's not turn this into a shitshow because unlike "debunking CICO" this is actually helpful for a lot of people buying into the latest diet du jour, like keto.

amandarunning · January 2018

To watch later - bumped!

Carlos_421 · January 2018

diannethegeek · January 2018

Carlos_421 wrote: »

Kimblesnbits13 · January 2018

Layne Norton is kind of a d-bag but he knows his stuff. I agree with all of his videos and they're all very educational. I also like how he goes into the psychology of the fitness/nutrition industry. Very smart and knowledgeable man.