Lyle McDonald: Legit or FOS?
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grinning_chick wrote: »Men and women have biologically homologous genitalia. If you don't know this basic fact of human anatomy and physiology, you have zero business educating others about it, and anything coming out of your mouth after it is highly suspect regarding validity.
Homologous does not mean the same in every way. Organs can be homologous but still have differences of certain kinds. Fact is, the male and female sex organs do in fact have differences, from role in reproduction to the obvious difference in appearance. Doesn't mean anyone is arguing that they aren't homologous.
One of the points I've often seen Lyle McDonald make in podcasts he's done while researching the womens' book is that the fitness industry has long done women a disservice by treating them like smaller men and therefore ignoring the metabolic differences caused by the menstrual cycle, pregnancy, childbirth, breastfeeding, hormonal changes from birth control, as well as syndromes such as PCOS. The result: women vary not just from men, but from each other!
Personally can't wait to read the womens' book to see what sort of research he's come up with.17 -
gogetemrogue wrote: »grinning_chick wrote: »Men and women have biologically homologous genitalia. If you don't know this basic fact of human anatomy and physiology, you have zero business educating others about it, and anything coming out of your mouth after it is highly suspect regarding validity.
Homologous does not mean the same in every way. Organs can be homologous but still have differences of certain kinds. Fact is, the male and female sex organs do in fact have differences, from role in reproduction to the obvious difference in appearance. Doesn't mean anyone is arguing that they aren't homologous.
One of the points I've often seen Lyle McDonald make in podcasts he's done while researching the womens' book is that the fitness industry has long done women a disservice by treating them like smaller men and therefore ignoring the metabolic differences caused by the menstrual cycle, pregnancy, childbirth, breastfeeding, hormonal changes from birth control, as well as syndromes such as PCOS. The result: women vary not just from men, but from each other!
Personally can't wait to read the womens' book to see what sort of research he's come up with.
A dolphins fin is homologous to my arm, I'm a crappy swimmer and Flipper doesn't even lift.18 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »A dolphins fin is homologous to my arm, I'm a crappy swimmer and Flipper doesn't even lift.
Exactly.
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Old man Logan.. er, Lyle, is far from FOS. After studying 20+ years of evidence based articles and coming across every imaginable form of fitness/nutrition related science, it's only a matter of time that you develop a finite tolerance, so he's not going to coddle feelings, but he's not outwardly going to attack someone for no reason. Sure you can allow google to finish the search for "why is Lyle McDonald ... " and go with that opinion, but it doesn't detract from his legitimacy and contribution to furthering research.5
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Whatevs!
I am sure that I can search through his web-site and catch more than one mistake. And I am sure that he has forgotten more about training, exercise and weight loss than I've ever learned. And that some other people that he associates with are even more scientific than he is in terms of their understanding.
But, you know what? He makes fairly well backed, relevant, and reasonable information available and presents it in a way that is understandable and often contains references that allow me to do my own further research!
I am not hiring him to be my god. Heck, I am not even hiring him at all! I am just mooching knowledge off his writings and applying the information as I see fit based on my own interpretation and further research.
And for him making this knowledge available all I can honestly do is thank him--deeply!
As for being skeptical... what is wrong with being skeptical? Taking any single sourced piece of information at face value seems stupid. That said... i wouldn't count on my fat cells getting water filled. Regardless, that won't stop water retention, or wooshes, especially when dealing with a stressed body.9 -
Whatevs!
I am sure that I can search through his web-site and catch more than one mistake. And I am sure that he has forgotten more about training, exercise and weight loss than I've ever learned. And that some other people that he associates with are even more scientific than he is in terms of their understanding.
But, you know what? He makes fairly well backed, relevant, and reasonable information available and presents it in a way that is understandable and often contains references that allow me to do my own further research!
I am not hiring him to be my god. Heck, I am not even hiring him at all! I am just mooching knowledge off his writings and applying the information as I see fit based on my own interpretation and further research.
And for him making this knowledge available all I can honestly do is thank him--deeply!
As for being skeptical... what is wrong with being skeptical? Taking any single sourced piece of information at face value seems stupid. That said... i wouldn't count on my fat cells getting water filled. Regardless, that won't stop water retention, or wooshes, especially when dealing with a stressed body.
I think his biggest arguments have been with people like Layne Norton over why so many female competitors have trouble losing weight for competitions after they have lost for them in the past. Layne speaks about metabolic issues such as adaptive thermogenesis and provides various evidence of that while Lyle takes the approach that the stress on female competitors raises cortisol rates leading to massive water retention. I don't know if that debate was ever resolved but I haven't heard much about it in the last couple years at least.1 -
gogetemrogue wrote: »...Personally can't wait to read the womens' book to see what sort of research he's come up with.
Hint: Lyle credited Eric Helms with being a significant source. Eric recently completed his PhD, is a competitive bodybuilder and powerlifter, and has very solid research credentials.4 -
I have never heard of this person. What are his qualifications? Is he a doctor or sports Doc or a scientist? I looked him up after reading all this and found nothing.0
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gogetemrogue wrote: »...Personally can't wait to read the womens' book to see what sort of research he's come up with.
Hint: Lyle credited Eric Helms with being a significant source. Eric recently completed his PhD, is a competitive bodybuilder and powerlifter, and has very solid research credentials.
I believe he has also credited Dr. Brad Dieter who has done lots of work on athletic performance and food- has a PhD in exercise physiology and was a contributor to the Alan Aragon Keto meta-analysis2 -
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susan23629 wrote: »I have never heard of this person. What are his qualifications? Is he a doctor or sports Doc or a scientist? I looked him up after reading all this and found nothing.
He has a degree in, I believe, bio chem but is not a primary researcher. He works mostly as a coach and author. His knowledge and experience is generally respected by published researchers in the fitness field from what I've seen.2 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »susan23629 wrote: »I have never heard of this person. What are his qualifications? Is he a doctor or sports Doc or a scientist? I looked him up after reading all this and found nothing.
He has a degree in, I believe, bio chem but is not a primary researcher. He works mostly as a coach and author. His knowledge and experience is generally respected by published researchers in the fitness field from what I've seen.
According to this interview with him, his degree is in kinesiology/exercise physiology.
ETA: For anybody interested, it was just announced today that his women's book has been published (well, "published" in the sense that it's available as an e-book). 438 pages, 34 chapters and 2 appendices, 850 references.
(Disclaimer: I have no interest, financial or otherwise - just information.)4 -
Overview, for anybody who's curious:
Table of Contents:
Foreword
Chapter 1: Introduction to Women’s Physiology
Chapter 2: The Normal Menstrual Cycle
Chapter 3: Hormonal Modifiers
Chapter 4: Types of Exercise and Goals
Chapter 5: What is Body Composition?
Chapter 6: Measuring and Tracking Body Composition
Chapter 7: Altering Body Composition
Chapter 8: Energy Balance
Chapter 9: Metabolic Adaptation
Chapter 10: Women, Fat Gain and Fat Loss: Part 1
Chapter 11: Women, Fat Gain and Fat Loss: Part 2
Chapter 12: Menstrual Cycle Dysfunction
Chapter 13: Stress
Chapter 14: Fixing the Problems
Chapter 15: Introduction to Dieting
Chapter 16: Determining Maintenance Calories
Chapter 17: Adjusting Daily Calories
Chapter 18: Goal Setting
Chapter 19: Calculating Nutrient Requirements
Chapter 20: Nutrient Sources, Electrolytes, Fluids and Diet Products
Chapter 21: Flexible Eating Strategies
Chapter 22: Around Workout Nutrition
Chapter 23: Meal Frequency and Patterning
Chapter 24: Supplements
Chapter 25: Estimating Dieting Times
Chapter 26: Identifying and Breaking Plateaus
Chapter 27: Adjusting for Metabolic Adaptation
Chapter 28: Training Guidelines
Chapter 29: Sample Training Programs
Chapter 30: Hormonal Category Templates
Chapter 31: The Category 2/3 Dieter
Chapter 32: The Category 1 Dieter and Amenorrhea
Chapter 33: Ending the Category 1 Diet
Chapter 34: Studies of Dieting in Elite Athletes
Appendix 1: Physique Peak Week and Making Weight
Appendix 2: The Stubborn Fat Protocols4 -
His big pink monstrosity The Women's Book Vol. 1 was *finally* released just a few hours ago....I've been waiting for ages for this!
Yes, OP, he is completely legit, wonderfully knowledgeable, and keeps very good company.4 -
Gah. I'm trying to buy the book but everyone killed the site.2
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »susan23629 wrote: »I have never heard of this person. What are his qualifications? Is he a doctor or sports Doc or a scientist? I looked him up after reading all this and found nothing.
He has a degree in, I believe, bio chem but is not a primary researcher. He works mostly as a coach and author. His knowledge and experience is generally respected by published researchers in the fitness field from what I've seen.
According to this interview with him, his degree is in kinesiology/exercise physiology.
ETA: For anybody interested, it was just announced today that his women's book has been published (well, "published" in the sense that it's available as an e-book). 438 pages, 34 chapters and 2 appendices, 850 references.
(Disclaimer: I have no interest, financial or otherwise - just information.)
Thanks I couldn't remember the degree but I knew it was definitely related to fitness. It's been a couple years since I really looked at his stuff.0 -
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