Where is my Coon cheese?
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i have heard it used in that way but how would you feel if you worked on something and was recognised for it by having it banged after you then one day someone says "I'm sorry your name has another meaning that some people use offensively so we aren't going to use it any more"
many words have multiple meaning. people aren't stupid. they know the difference between being insulted and someone looking for cheese.
political correctness is not a good thing when it goes so overboard. should all the people that have that name go down to births deaths and marriages to have it changed?8 -
I live in the American South. The only context in which I've heard the word in a decade or two has been "coon dog" or "coon hound" or "coon hunting." Those references are common.2
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i have heard it used in that way but how would you feel if you worked on something and was recognised for it by having it banged after you then one day someone says "I'm sorry your name has another meaning that some people use offensively so we aren't going to use it any more"
many words have multiple meaning. people aren't stupid. they know the difference between being insulted and someone looking for cheese.
political correctness is not a good thing when it goes so overboard. should all the people that have that name go down to births deaths and marriages to have it changed?
Honestly? If it were my name and my brand, I'd be totally cool with it being changed.4 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »MistressSara wrote: »I'm not googling what is, apparently, some kind of derogatory remark, but I've only heard coon used as a diminutive for raccoon. As in, Daniel Boone wore a coon skin cap.
It's up there with the N word.
I had to ask someone what the n word was not long ago.2 -
charlieandcarol wrote: »
I haven't heard that word used for anything else but cheese here in Australia.VintageFeline wrote: »I'm honestly shocked. Would definitely not still exist if it was ever a thing in the UK.
I have spent a fair bit of time in the far north of Australia and it is a common racial slur up there amongst those inclined to not behave like decent human beings.
I really like the cheese but I don't expect people to "just get over it" like suggested by another poster, if you heard it used like I have towards people I can understand why those on the receiving end feel like they do.
To the OP, you might have to make your own entry from the packet and just not share it with the database?
Yeah I just used Bega cheese instead. I did try and add the Coon cheese back into the main database and it accepted it but I looked it up a minute later and I could not find it. No big deal but I thought it was a bit odd that only a few months ago it showed up but not now. I live in Sydney so I have not heard that word said in any other form around me.0 -
The thing is, MFP doesn't curate the database really, they just host it. Chances are some user edited the entry. Regardless all you have to do is add it back in. Maybe call it "Coon brand cheese" so someone unfamiliar with it doesn't think it's someone being a jerk.
ETA: Based on your most recent post, maybe certain words are flagged and auto-deleted? Could try a hyphenated like Coon-brand-cheese or something like that.2 -
The thing is, MFP doesn't curate the database really, they just host it. Chances are some user edited the entry. Regardless all you have to do is add it back in. Maybe call it "Coon brand cheese" so someone unfamiliar with it doesn't think it's someone being a jerk.
ETA: Based on your most recent post, maybe certain words are flagged and auto-deleted? Could try a hyphenated like Coon-brand-cheese or something like that.
Yes I would say certain words are flagged as I did what you said and added coon-brand cheese as the name to the database and while it let me add it to my food diary under that name I could not find it in the main food database so that is what it looks like they are doing. No user could find and edit the name in under 10 seconds which is how long it took me to add it to the database and then search for it so I would rule out another user editing it. All good.0 -
Every time I add a food in the main database I can't find it there till the next day or so. Can only find it in my own foods initially.
Then again I also don't see the wall activity of newer friends...0 -
I've started using the barcode scanner to enter foods, it's amazing!!1
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VintageFeline wrote: »i have heard it used in that way but how would you feel if you worked on something and was recognised for it by having it banged after you then one day someone says "I'm sorry your name has another meaning that some people use offensively so we aren't going to use it any more"
many words have multiple meaning. people aren't stupid. they know the difference between being insulted and someone looking for cheese.
political correctness is not a good thing when it goes so overboard. should all the people that have that name go down to births deaths and marriages to have it changed?
Honestly? If it were my name and my brand, I'd be totally cool with it being changed.
My high school maths teacher, Mike Hunt, never felt the need to change his name. (yup, I'm serious, lol)3 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »i have heard it used in that way but how would you feel if you worked on something and was recognised for it by having it banged after you then one day someone says "I'm sorry your name has another meaning that some people use offensively so we aren't going to use it any more"
many words have multiple meaning. people aren't stupid. they know the difference between being insulted and someone looking for cheese.
political correctness is not a good thing when it goes so overboard. should all the people that have that name go down to births deaths and marriages to have it changed?
Honestly? If it were my name and my brand, I'd be totally cool with it being changed.
My high school maths teacher, Mike Hunt, never felt the need to change his name. (yup, I'm serious, lol)
Haha I thought that name was an urban myth
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Christine_72 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »i have heard it used in that way but how would you feel if you worked on something and was recognised for it by having it banged after you then one day someone says "I'm sorry your name has another meaning that some people use offensively so we aren't going to use it any more"
many words have multiple meaning. people aren't stupid. they know the difference between being insulted and someone looking for cheese.
political correctness is not a good thing when it goes so overboard. should all the people that have that name go down to births deaths and marriages to have it changed?
Honestly? If it were my name and my brand, I'd be totally cool with it being changed.
My high school maths teacher, Mike Hunt, never felt the need to change his name. (yup, I'm serious, lol)
Haha I thought that name was an urban myth
Nope, Heathfield High School 1993
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Christine_72 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Coon is a very very odd branding choice to keep in 2018........
I know... That word is used the same way here as it is in the US.
I can't say that I have ever heard anyone being called it or it being used to refer to anyone.2 -
Christine_72 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Coon is a very very odd branding choice to keep in 2018........
I know... That word is used the same way here as it is in the US.
Actually, no it isn't. I've never in 50 years heard any Australians use that word as a derogatory term for a person.
We might be aware of the US usage, but it's not in our vernacular.
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charlieandcarol wrote: »
I haven't heard that word used for anything else but cheese here in Australia.VintageFeline wrote: »I'm honestly shocked. Would definitely not still exist if it was ever a thing in the UK.
I have spent a fair bit of time in the far north of Australia and it is a common racial slur up there amongst those inclined to not behave like decent human beings.
I really like the cheese but I don't expect people to "just get over it" like suggested by another poster, if you heard it used like I have towards people I can understand why those on the receiving end feel like they do.
To the OP, you might have to make your own entry from the packet and just not share it with the database?
Yeah I just used Bega cheese instead. I did try and add the Coon cheese back into the main database and it accepted it but I looked it up a minute later and I could not find it. No big deal but I thought it was a bit odd that only a few months ago it showed up but not now. I live in Sydney so I have not heard that word said in any other form around me.
I would add it back on principal as CoonBrand with no space or some such so it does not get removed automatically, this seems the only reasonable explanation as to why it disappears in one minute. Plus it should be very clear to anyone reasonable that its not the offensive meaning.1 -
Christine_72 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Coon is a very very odd branding choice to keep in 2018........
I know... That word is used the same way here as it is in the US.
Actually, no it isn't. I've never in 50 years heard any Australians use that word as a derogatory term for a person.
We might be aware of the US usage, but it's not in our vernacular.
Might depend where you live.. Go up North and it's commonly used. I'm in Adelaide and have heard it used many times since i was a kid.
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Christine_72 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Coon is a very very odd branding choice to keep in 2018........
I know... That word is used the same way here as it is in the US.
Actually, no it isn't. I've never in 50 years heard any Australians use that word as a derogatory term for a person.
We might be aware of the US usage, but it's not in our vernacular.
I grew up in Adelaide and it was very common when I was a teen. It's certainly not unheard of here in
Melbourne now, either.0 -
I must be lucky and only associate with nice people.
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SoLongAndThanksForAllTheFish wrote: »charlieandcarol wrote: »
I haven't heard that word used for anything else but cheese here in Australia.VintageFeline wrote: »I'm honestly shocked. Would definitely not still exist if it was ever a thing in the UK.
I have spent a fair bit of time in the far north of Australia and it is a common racial slur up there amongst those inclined to not behave like decent human beings.
I really like the cheese but I don't expect people to "just get over it" like suggested by another poster, if you heard it used like I have towards people I can understand why those on the receiving end feel like they do.
To the OP, you might have to make your own entry from the packet and just not share it with the database?
Yeah I just used Bega cheese instead. I did try and add the Coon cheese back into the main database and it accepted it but I looked it up a minute later and I could not find it. No big deal but I thought it was a bit odd that only a few months ago it showed up but not now. I live in Sydney so I have not heard that word said in any other form around me.
I would add it back on principal as CoonBrand with no space or some such so it does not get removed automatically, this seems the only reasonable explanation as to why it disappears in one minute. Plus it should be very clear to anyone reasonable that its not the offensive meaning.
Tried your Coonbrand suggestion and it worked. I even added Cooncheese to the database and that also worked. May not have to worry about it in the future if they are trying to change the brand name. I knew the name came from Edward Coon and never really associated it with anything else. You learn something new everyday.
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I would sincerely hope it's not in common usage, that doesn't negate its prolific use in the past. I've never heard anyone use the N word either (though have certainly heard other racial slurs) but if someone was unfortunate enough to have that as their name and they used it for branding then it makes sense to just quietly change it? Words don't suddenly lose meaning when they're not in common usage. And that's just a general comment really.
It's funny this post popped up this week though, has been a week of picking apart language and its racist implications this week (good and bad, more just discussion around what is and isn't inappropriate and where we are possibly getting ourselves tied up in too many knots with some things). Anyway, I personally can't shake the negative connotation and I am aware of other definitions but to me, the locations of where those alternatives are kind of speaks to its negative use too.4 -
Self-censored.2
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VintageFeline wrote: »I would sincerely hope it's not in common usage, that doesn't negate its prolific use in the past. I've never heard anyone use the N word either (though have certainly heard other racial slurs) but if someone was unfortunate enough to have that as their name and they used it for branding then it makes sense to just quietly change it? Words don't suddenly lose meaning when they're not in common usage. And that's just a general comment really.
It's funny this post popped up this week though, has been a week of picking apart language and its racist implications this week (good and bad, more just discussion around what is and isn't inappropriate and where we are possibly getting ourselves tied up in too many knots with some things). Anyway, I personally can't shake the negative connotation and I am aware of other definitions but to me, the locations of where those alternatives are kind of speaks to its negative use too.
Changing someone's name for some racist idiots who used it as a derogatory slur is not a reasonable expectation, especially since as you are noting here, its in your mind where the offense is. There is significantly large issue with asking someone to change their own name, history and identity, and in this case past marketing presence and name recognition. A bit of maturity and rationality and its a no brainer to know that a brand of cheese is not a slur. Neither is it a slur to say my dog chased after the coons last night chasing them up a tree, because he actually did, and if you imagine him going after a black person, YOU are the one with the racist tendency and its probably something you need to fix in your head if you think of black people that way. Its really an old racist Southerner thing here, and if someone writes it in this manner immediately old racist southern grandpa or grandma is the first image they bring up. People really need to manage their own reactions in cases like this, just because you have one definition of a word does not negate its original meaning, or mean its offensive to everyone. It also should not mean that nobody can actually use it as intended anymore and that anyone with the name should change it, that's taking things out of scope and way too far.
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