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crossfit_dottir wrote: »@Wheelhouse15 wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »JAYxMSxPES wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »JAYxMSxPES wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »Yo stanmann571 I'm interested to hear what you think of the hollow planks
Since this came up, and it looks like you are doing two workouts a day, how frequently do you workout the same muscle groups?
Ehh... that's a question for a body builder. Crossfitters will do workouts where they use their whole body and not isolate one muscle group at a time.
My extra workouts are endurance based and I only do twice a day 3xper week.
Many of us do strengthening programs but usually that's before our wods and after our warmups.
Most boxes program that into the 1 hour workout. So you might have 20 min warm ups, 10 min strength and then the wod itself.
Thanks I actually was thinking it was the wrong question on my way to lunch. I take it you are competitive then?
Nope. I'm just a part of a box that's very good and ambitious.
It's cool that your coach has you doing a strength segment before the actual WOD. I've known various people that did CF and the ones that seems to do better had a coach that included strength progression into the program.
It's interesting that one of the local boxes here has probably the best Olympic Lifting coach in the country, or least he was there a few years ago when I last looked at it. The box also doubles as an Oly lifting training facility. I can say that the one thing I really like about CF is that it brought a lot of attention to the Oly lifts to the general public. I was surprised to see people in my gym doing overhead squats because they saw it being done for CF.
I'm not into CF personally, but if I had a local box with a high-caliber coach like that I would strongly consider taking his / her class. Training aside, for me it would be educational to learn from somebody like that.
I'm a little funny on the OH Squat thing. Aside from performing it as a diagnostic (unweighted), I'm not sure of the real value. The limiting factor isn't the lower body or even the lower-back, it's the shoulders. Maybe as a "finisher" type of exercise, dunno. Love to hear from a coach like you mentioned above as to how they view the exercise.
My box actually doubles as a Olympic lifting box as well and we have some Olly European and Scandinavian record holders among us.
Actually the OHS is one of my favourite lifts. It challenge your balance, shoulder mobility and stability and so many more but @rybo is more qualified to answer that question than I am.
Have you done the 15@BW OHS yet? That seemed to be a big thing in the CF community a few years ago when I was looking into it.
Nope. I've only been doing Crossfit for one year and that hasn't been a thing during that time.
I think we're hijacking the threat
The thread is getting more interesting now.
Is the 15 rep @ BW OHS really a CF challenge? NASM uses that as one of their diagnostic tools when evaluating a new client. LOL. It's actually 10 reps and not timed because we're trying to evaluating how they move, but without knowing more it doesn't seem like a challenge for a trained individual.1 -
JAYxMSxPES wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »@Wheelhouse15 wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »JAYxMSxPES wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »JAYxMSxPES wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »Yo stanmann571 I'm interested to hear what you think of the hollow planks
Since this came up, and it looks like you are doing two workouts a day, how frequently do you workout the same muscle groups?
Ehh... that's a question for a body builder. Crossfitters will do workouts where they use their whole body and not isolate one muscle group at a time.
My extra workouts are endurance based and I only do twice a day 3xper week.
Many of us do strengthening programs but usually that's before our wods and after our warmups.
Most boxes program that into the 1 hour workout. So you might have 20 min warm ups, 10 min strength and then the wod itself.
Thanks I actually was thinking it was the wrong question on my way to lunch. I take it you are competitive then?
Nope. I'm just a part of a box that's very good and ambitious.
It's cool that your coach has you doing a strength segment before the actual WOD. I've known various people that did CF and the ones that seems to do better had a coach that included strength progression into the program.
It's interesting that one of the local boxes here has probably the best Olympic Lifting coach in the country, or least he was there a few years ago when I last looked at it. The box also doubles as an Oly lifting training facility. I can say that the one thing I really like about CF is that it brought a lot of attention to the Oly lifts to the general public. I was surprised to see people in my gym doing overhead squats because they saw it being done for CF.
I'm not into CF personally, but if I had a local box with a high-caliber coach like that I would strongly consider taking his / her class. Training aside, for me it would be educational to learn from somebody like that.
I'm a little funny on the OH Squat thing. Aside from performing it as a diagnostic (unweighted), I'm not sure of the real value. The limiting factor isn't the lower body or even the lower-back, it's the shoulders. Maybe as a "finisher" type of exercise, dunno. Love to hear from a coach like you mentioned above as to how they view the exercise.
My box actually doubles as a Olympic lifting box as well and we have some Olly European and Scandinavian record holders among us.
Actually the OHS is one of my favourite lifts. It challenge your balance, shoulder mobility and stability and so many more but @rybo is more qualified to answer that question than I am.
Have you done the 15@BW OHS yet? That seemed to be a big thing in the CF community a few years ago when I was looking into it.
Nope. I've only been doing Crossfit for one year and that hasn't been a thing during that time.
I think we're hijacking the threat
The thread is getting more interesting now.
Is the 15 rep @ BW OHS really a CF challenge? NASM uses that as one of their diagnostic tools when evaluating a new client. LOL. It's actually 10 reps and not timed because we're trying to evaluating how they move, but without knowing more it doesn't seem like a challenge for a trained individual.
Not sure how popular it was but it was something I saw a few years back.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=wjuULPqI-WY0 -
crossfit_dottir wrote: »@Wheelhouse15 wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »JAYxMSxPES wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »JAYxMSxPES wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »Yo stanmann571 I'm interested to hear what you think of the hollow planks
Since this came up, and it looks like you are doing two workouts a day, how frequently do you workout the same muscle groups?
Ehh... that's a question for a body builder. Crossfitters will do workouts where they use their whole body and not isolate one muscle group at a time.
My extra workouts are endurance based and I only do twice a day 3xper week.
Many of us do strengthening programs but usually that's before our wods and after our warmups.
Most boxes program that into the 1 hour workout. So you might have 20 min warm ups, 10 min strength and then the wod itself.
Thanks I actually was thinking it was the wrong question on my way to lunch. I take it you are competitive then?
Nope. I'm just a part of a box that's very good and ambitious.
It's cool that your coach has you doing a strength segment before the actual WOD. I've known various people that did CF and the ones that seems to do better had a coach that included strength progression into the program.
It's interesting that one of the local boxes here has probably the best Olympic Lifting coach in the country, or least he was there a few years ago when I last looked at it. The box also doubles as an Oly lifting training facility. I can say that the one thing I really like about CF is that it brought a lot of attention to the Oly lifts to the general public. I was surprised to see people in my gym doing overhead squats because they saw it being done for CF.
I'm not into CF personally, but if I had a local box with a high-caliber coach like that I would strongly consider taking his / her class. Training aside, for me it would be educational to learn from somebody like that.
I'm a little funny on the OH Squat thing. Aside from performing it as a diagnostic (unweighted), I'm not sure of the real value. The limiting factor isn't the lower body or even the lower-back, it's the shoulders. Maybe as a "finisher" type of exercise, dunno. Love to hear from a coach like you mentioned above as to how they view the exercise.
My box actually doubles as a Olympic lifting box as well and we have some Olly European and Scandinavian record holders among us.
Actually the OHS is one of my favourite lifts. It challenge your balance, shoulder mobility and stability and so many more but @rybo is more qualified to answer that question than I am.
Have you done the 15@BW OHS yet? That seemed to be a big thing in the CF community a few years ago when I was looking into it.
Nope. I've only been doing Crossfit for one year and that hasn't been a thing during that time.
I think we're hijacking the threat
True, apologies to the OP. Although, it is a great core building exercise.0 -
crossfit_dottir wrote: »
OJAYxMSxPES wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »@Wheelhouse15 wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »JAYxMSxPES wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »JAYxMSxPES wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »Yo stanmann571 I'm interested to hear what you think of the hollow planks
Since this came up, and it looks like you are doing two workouts a day, how frequently do you workout the same muscle groups?
Ehh... that's a question for a body builder. Crossfitters will do workouts where they use their whole body and not isolate one muscle group at a time.
My extra workouts are endurance based and I only do twice a day 3xper week.
Many of us do strengthening programs but usually that's before our wods and after our warmups.
Most boxes program that into the 1 hour workout. So you might have 20 min warm ups, 10 min strength and then the wod itself.
Thanks I actually was thinking it was the wrong question on my way to lunch. I take it you are competitive then?
Nope. I'm just a part of a box that's very good and ambitious.
It's cool that your coach has you doing a strength segment before the actual WOD. I've known various people that did CF and the ones that seems to do better had a coach that included strength progression into the program.
It's interesting that one of the local boxes here has probably the best Olympic Lifting coach in the country, or least he was there a few years ago when I last looked at it. The box also doubles as an Oly lifting training facility. I can say that the one thing I really like about CF is that it brought a lot of attention to the Oly lifts to the general public. I was surprised to see people in my gym doing overhead squats because they saw it being done for CF.
I'm not into CF personally, but if I had a local box with a high-caliber coach like that I would strongly consider taking his / her class. Training aside, for me it would be educational to learn from somebody like that.
I'm a little funny on the OH Squat thing. Aside from performing it as a diagnostic (unweighted), I'm not sure of the real value. The limiting factor isn't the lower body or even the lower-back, it's the shoulders. Maybe as a "finisher" type of exercise, dunno. Love to hear from a coach like you mentioned above as to how they view the exercise.
My box actually doubles as a Olympic lifting box as well and we have some Olly European and Scandinavian record holders among us.
Actually the OHS is one of my favourite lifts. It challenge your balance, shoulder mobility and stability and so many more but @rybo is more qualified to answer that question than I am.
Have you done the 15@BW OHS yet? That seemed to be a big thing in the CF community a few years ago when I was looking into it.
Nope. I've only been doing Crossfit for one year and that hasn't been a thing during that time.
I think we're hijacking the threat
The thread is getting more interesting now.
Is the 15 rep @ BW OHS really a CF challenge? NASM uses that as one of their diagnostic tools when evaluating a new client. LOL. It's actually 10 reps and not timed because we're trying to evaluating how they move, but without knowing more it doesn't seem like a challenge for a trained individual.
NASM? (If you havent already spottes it cause of my bad grammar and spelling im European.. please enlighten me)
What if the potential client can't even perform a OHS due to instability and lack of strength?
NASM = National Academy of Sports Medicine. It's a certification for various subjects. There is a Certified Personal Trainer, Corrective Exercise Specialist, Performance Enhancement Specialist, they have nutrition certifications, and a few other things. It's one of the more highly regarded certification groups in the US at least. From what I recall (it's been a while), a couple programs require some form of education before being accepted.
It would depend on the severity of the situation. I haven't come across that personally. First and foremost, I talk with any client and try and get an understanding of certain physical limitations, health issues, etc., that could impact how I approach their training. Hopefully I would have an idea of what issues they have even before we get to the physical evaluation and even decide to proceed or not. If I was able to determine that ahead of the physical evaluation, I may recommend they see a physical therapist.
If we get to the physical eval, I imagine I would see if they can even get in position, feet shoulder width apart arms overhead and see what that looks like. If they can't even do that... I would most likely refer them to a physical therapist. If they didn't want to do that because of money or whatever, then I would do my best to judge based on what I see and work on something to accommodate while being very clear that I'm not a medical professional.2 -
crossfit_dottir wrote: »JAYxMSxPES wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »
OJAYxMSxPES wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »@Wheelhouse15 wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »JAYxMSxPES wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »JAYxMSxPES wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »crossfit_dottir wrote: »Yo stanmann571 I'm interested to hear what you think of the hollow planks
Since this came up, and it looks like you are doing two workouts a day, how frequently do you workout the same muscle groups?
Ehh... that's a question for a body builder. Crossfitters will do workouts where they use their whole body and not isolate one muscle group at a time.
My extra workouts are endurance based and I only do twice a day 3xper week.
Many of us do strengthening programs but usually that's before our wods and after our warmups.
Most boxes program that into the 1 hour workout. So you might have 20 min warm ups, 10 min strength and then the wod itself.
Thanks I actually was thinking it was the wrong question on my way to lunch. I take it you are competitive then?
Nope. I'm just a part of a box that's very good and ambitious.
It's cool that your coach has you doing a strength segment before the actual WOD. I've known various people that did CF and the ones that seems to do better had a coach that included strength progression into the program.
It's interesting that one of the local boxes here has probably the best Olympic Lifting coach in the country, or least he was there a few years ago when I last looked at it. The box also doubles as an Oly lifting training facility. I can say that the one thing I really like about CF is that it brought a lot of attention to the Oly lifts to the general public. I was surprised to see people in my gym doing overhead squats because they saw it being done for CF.
I'm not into CF personally, but if I had a local box with a high-caliber coach like that I would strongly consider taking his / her class. Training aside, for me it would be educational to learn from somebody like that.
I'm a little funny on the OH Squat thing. Aside from performing it as a diagnostic (unweighted), I'm not sure of the real value. The limiting factor isn't the lower body or even the lower-back, it's the shoulders. Maybe as a "finisher" type of exercise, dunno. Love to hear from a coach like you mentioned above as to how they view the exercise.
My box actually doubles as a Olympic lifting box as well and we have some Olly European and Scandinavian record holders among us.
Actually the OHS is one of my favourite lifts. It challenge your balance, shoulder mobility and stability and so many more but @rybo is more qualified to answer that question than I am.
Have you done the 15@BW OHS yet? That seemed to be a big thing in the CF community a few years ago when I was looking into it.
Nope. I've only been doing Crossfit for one year and that hasn't been a thing during that time.
I think we're hijacking the threat
The thread is getting more interesting now.
Is the 15 rep @ BW OHS really a CF challenge? NASM uses that as one of their diagnostic tools when evaluating a new client. LOL. It's actually 10 reps and not timed because we're trying to evaluating how they move, but without knowing more it doesn't seem like a challenge for a trained individual.
NASM? (If you havent already spottes it cause of my bad grammar and spelling im European.. please enlighten me)
What if the potential client can't even perform a OHS due to instability and lack of strength?
NASM = National Academy of Sports Medicine. It's a certification for various subjects. There is a Certified Personal Trainer, Corrective Exercise Specialist, Performance Enhancement Specialist, they have nutrition certifications, and a few other things. It's one of the more highly regarded certification groups in the US at least. From what I recall (it's been a while), a couple programs require some form of education before being accepted.
It would depend on the severity of the situation. I haven't come across that personally. First and foremost, I talk with any client and try and get an understanding of certain physical limitations, health issues, etc., that could impact how I approach their training. Hopefully I would have an idea of what issues they have even before we get to the physical evaluation and even decide to proceed or not. If I was able to determine that ahead of the physical evaluation, I may recommend they see a physical therapist.
If we get to the physical eval, I imagine I would see if they can even get in position, feet shoulder width apart arms overhead and see what that looks like. If they can't even do that... I would most likely refer them to a physical therapist. If they didn't want to do that because of money or whatever, then I would do my best to judge based on what I see and work on something to accommodate while being very clear that I'm not a medical professional.
Wow... respect. You're my new favourite person.
I've come across many coaches on my journey and not many of them would point their clients in another direction.
Which is silly to me. Aside from potentially hurting that person even more, what good is an injured client? Not to mention they won't recommend you to any of their friends / family. Have to be straight with people.1 -
Looks like you are a bunch of knowledgeable folks. Question about my scenario. So I just started a small strength routine on Sunday (bicep curls, tricep pull downs, shoulder press, up right rows, and leg press) and I have been doing abs every day 3x25. For the strength portion I was planning on doing this 3 times a week. I also do cardio r/w or just walk everyday for 3 miles. My goal is to lose weight and decrease body fat. Should I be working my abs at this point? If so, is the routine I am doing above okay or should I be doing something a little bit different at this phase (e.g., planks)? Thanks!
If you are new to lifting I would highly recommend a 3-day full body that focuses on compound lifts. Squats, Bench, Overhead Press, and Deadlifts are all that's really needed as a novice. You can get done with Starting Strength or Stronglifts in about 1-1.5hours. You don't need curls, pulldowns, upright rows, or leg press as a novice. Now they can be good to add in after a few months but not as a staring point.
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Looks like you are a bunch of knowledgeable folks. Question about my scenario. So I just started a small strength routine on Sunday (bicep curls, tricep pull downs, shoulder press, up right rows, and leg press) and I have been doing abs every day 3x25. For the strength portion I was planning on doing this 3 times a week. I also do cardio r/w or just walk everyday for 3 miles. My goal is to lose weight and decrease body fat. Should I be working my abs at this point? If so, is the routine I am doing above okay or should I be doing something a little bit different at this phase (e.g., planks)? Thanks!
If you are new to lifting I would highly recommend a 3-day full body that focuses on compound lifts. Squats, Bench, Overhead Press, and Deadlifts are all that's really needed as a novice. You can get done with Starting Strength or Stronglifts in about 1-1.5hours. You don't need curls, pulldowns, upright rows, or leg press as a novice. Now they can be good to add in after a few months but not as a staring point.
The only reason I would even think about suggesting any of those to a novice would be if the novice had access to a Lat cable machine but not an assisted pullup bar.0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »Looks like you are a bunch of knowledgeable folks. Question about my scenario. So I just started a small strength routine on Sunday (bicep curls, tricep pull downs, shoulder press, up right rows, and leg press) and I have been doing abs every day 3x25. For the strength portion I was planning on doing this 3 times a week. I also do cardio r/w or just walk everyday for 3 miles. My goal is to lose weight and decrease body fat. Should I be working my abs at this point? If so, is the routine I am doing above okay or should I be doing something a little bit different at this phase (e.g., planks)? Thanks!
If you are new to lifting I would highly recommend a 3-day full body that focuses on compound lifts. Squats, Bench, Overhead Press, and Deadlifts are all that's really needed as a novice. You can get done with Starting Strength or Stronglifts in about 1-1.5hours. You don't need curls, pulldowns, upright rows, or leg press as a novice. Now they can be good to add in after a few months but not as a staring point.
The only reason I would even think about suggesting any of those to a novice would be if the novice had access to a Lat cable machine but not an assisted pullup bar.
I'm not a fan of the assisted pullup machines really. I prefer weighted pullups over pulldowns any day, but for sub bodyweight I find pulldowns to be better.0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »Looks like you are a bunch of knowledgeable folks. Question about my scenario. So I just started a small strength routine on Sunday (bicep curls, tricep pull downs, shoulder press, up right rows, and leg press) and I have been doing abs every day 3x25. For the strength portion I was planning on doing this 3 times a week. I also do cardio r/w or just walk everyday for 3 miles. My goal is to lose weight and decrease body fat. Should I be working my abs at this point? If so, is the routine I am doing above okay or should I be doing something a little bit different at this phase (e.g., planks)? Thanks!
If you are new to lifting I would highly recommend a 3-day full body that focuses on compound lifts. Squats, Bench, Overhead Press, and Deadlifts are all that's really needed as a novice. You can get done with Starting Strength or Stronglifts in about 1-1.5hours. You don't need curls, pulldowns, upright rows, or leg press as a novice. Now they can be good to add in after a few months but not as a staring point.
The only reason I would even think about suggesting any of those to a novice would be if the novice had access to a Lat cable machine but not an assisted pullup bar.
any of wat? the compound movement? every newbie should learn how to do them. I'm confused as to what you're referencing here.0 -
Looks like you are a bunch of knowledgeable folks. Question about my scenario. So I just started a small strength routine on Sunday (bicep curls, tricep pull downs, shoulder press, up right rows, and leg press) and I have been doing abs every day 3x25. For the strength portion I was planning on doing this 3 times a week. I also do cardio r/w or just walk everyday for 3 miles. My goal is to lose weight and decrease body fat. Should I be working my abs at this point? If so, is the routine I am doing above okay or should I be doing something a little bit different at this phase (e.g., planks)? Thanks!
If you are new to lifting I would highly recommend a 3-day full body that focuses on compound lifts. Squats, Bench, Overhead Press, and Deadlifts are all that's really needed as a novice. You can get done with Starting Strength or Stronglifts in about 1-1.5hours. You don't need curls, pulldowns, upright rows, or leg press as a novice. Now they can be good to add in after a few months but not as a staring point.stanmann571 wrote: »Looks like you are a bunch of knowledgeable folks. Question about my scenario. So I just started a small strength routine on Sunday (bicep curls, tricep pull downs, shoulder press, up right rows, and leg press) and I have been doing abs every day 3x25. For the strength portion I was planning on doing this 3 times a week. I also do cardio r/w or just walk everyday for 3 miles. My goal is to lose weight and decrease body fat. Should I be working my abs at this point? If so, is the routine I am doing above okay or should I be doing something a little bit different at this phase (e.g., planks)? Thanks!
If you are new to lifting I would highly recommend a 3-day full body that focuses on compound lifts. Squats, Bench, Overhead Press, and Deadlifts are all that's really needed as a novice. You can get done with Starting Strength or Stronglifts in about 1-1.5hours. You don't need curls, pulldowns, upright rows, or leg press as a novice. Now they can be good to add in after a few months but not as a staring point.
The only reason I would even think about suggesting any of those to a novice would be if the novice had access to a Lat cable machine but not an assisted pullup bar.
any of wat? the compound movement? every newbie should learn how to do them. I'm confused as to what you're referencing here.
I was agreeing with exception in regards to Novice training and accessory lifts.stanmann571 wrote: »Looks like you are a bunch of knowledgeable folks. Question about my scenario. So I just started a small strength routine on Sunday (bicep curls, tricep pull downs, shoulder press, up right rows, and leg press) and I have been doing abs every day 3x25. For the strength portion I was planning on doing this 3 times a week. I also do cardio r/w or just walk everyday for 3 miles. My goal is to lose weight and decrease body fat. Should I be working my abs at this point? If so, is the routine I am doing above okay or should I be doing something a little bit different at this phase (e.g., planks)? Thanks!
If you are new to lifting I would highly recommend a 3-day full body that focuses on compound lifts. Squats, Bench, Overhead Press, and Deadlifts are all that's really needed as a novice. You can get done with Starting Strength or Stronglifts in about 1-1.5hours. You don't need curls, pulldowns, upright rows, or leg press as a novice. Now they can be good to add in after a few months but not as a staring point.
The only reason I would even think about suggesting any of those to a novice would be if the novice had access to a Lat cable machine but not an assisted pullup bar.
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stanmann571 wrote: »Looks like you are a bunch of knowledgeable folks. Question about my scenario. So I just started a small strength routine on Sunday (bicep curls, tricep pull downs, shoulder press, up right rows, and leg press) and I have been doing abs every day 3x25. For the strength portion I was planning on doing this 3 times a week. I also do cardio r/w or just walk everyday for 3 miles. My goal is to lose weight and decrease body fat. Should I be working my abs at this point? If so, is the routine I am doing above okay or should I be doing something a little bit different at this phase (e.g., planks)? Thanks!
If you are new to lifting I would highly recommend a 3-day full body that focuses on compound lifts. Squats, Bench, Overhead Press, and Deadlifts are all that's really needed as a novice. You can get done with Starting Strength or Stronglifts in about 1-1.5hours. You don't need curls, pulldowns, upright rows, or leg press as a novice. Now they can be good to add in after a few months but not as a staring point.stanmann571 wrote: »Looks like you are a bunch of knowledgeable folks. Question about my scenario. So I just started a small strength routine on Sunday (bicep curls, tricep pull downs, shoulder press, up right rows, and leg press) and I have been doing abs every day 3x25. For the strength portion I was planning on doing this 3 times a week. I also do cardio r/w or just walk everyday for 3 miles. My goal is to lose weight and decrease body fat. Should I be working my abs at this point? If so, is the routine I am doing above okay or should I be doing something a little bit different at this phase (e.g., planks)? Thanks!
If you are new to lifting I would highly recommend a 3-day full body that focuses on compound lifts. Squats, Bench, Overhead Press, and Deadlifts are all that's really needed as a novice. You can get done with Starting Strength or Stronglifts in about 1-1.5hours. You don't need curls, pulldowns, upright rows, or leg press as a novice. Now they can be good to add in after a few months but not as a staring point.
The only reason I would even think about suggesting any of those to a novice would be if the novice had access to a Lat cable machine but not an assisted pullup bar.
any of wat? the compound movement? every newbie should learn how to do them. I'm confused as to what you're referencing here.
I was agreeing with exception in regards to Novice training and accessory lifts.stanmann571 wrote: »Looks like you are a bunch of knowledgeable folks. Question about my scenario. So I just started a small strength routine on Sunday (bicep curls, tricep pull downs, shoulder press, up right rows, and leg press) and I have been doing abs every day 3x25. For the strength portion I was planning on doing this 3 times a week. I also do cardio r/w or just walk everyday for 3 miles. My goal is to lose weight and decrease body fat. Should I be working my abs at this point? If so, is the routine I am doing above okay or should I be doing something a little bit different at this phase (e.g., planks)? Thanks!
If you are new to lifting I would highly recommend a 3-day full body that focuses on compound lifts. Squats, Bench, Overhead Press, and Deadlifts are all that's really needed as a novice. You can get done with Starting Strength or Stronglifts in about 1-1.5hours. You don't need curls, pulldowns, upright rows, or leg press as a novice. Now they can be good to add in after a few months but not as a staring point.
The only reason I would even think about suggesting any of those to a novice would be if the novice had access to a Lat cable machine but not an assisted pullup bar.
Oh- you're saying- don't do those things unless you have a cable tower type thing. yes. Got it.
I was REALLY confused for a hot minute.0 -
I'm curious why folks are against a little bit of upper back work, like a couple sets of Lat Pulldowns or some kind of Rowing? The upper back supports your pressing exercises, and the compounds (SQ, DL, BP, OPH) only hit the lats so much. Granted I believe one of the "beginner" (ugh) programs has rowing (SL's or SS), which is fine in that regard. But if cookie-cutter program doesn't have it, there is no harm in including a couple sets of rows or pulldowns.2
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JAYxMSxPES wrote: »I'm curious why folks are against a little bit of upper back work, like a couple sets of Lat Pulldowns or some kind of Rowing? The upper back supports your pressing exercises, and the compounds (SQ, DL, BP, OPH) only hit the lats so much. Granted I believe one of the "beginner" (ugh) programs has rowing (SL's or SS), which is fine in that regard. But if cookie-cutter program doesn't have it, there is no harm in including a couple sets of rows or pulldowns.
How many times do you see upper crossed syndrome in your client base when you do evaluations? I'm betting it's a huge percentage and those rows are a great way to counter that. I know I relieved mine through heavy rows and lots of them!0 -
Couldn't say for that specifically. I will say that in the OHS eval, arms that fall forward during the squat are not uncommon and a clear sign that some upper back strength development is needed along with some kind of mobility work.0
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JAYxMSxPES wrote: »Couldn't say for that specifically. I will say that in the OHS eval, arms that fall forward during the squat are not uncommon and a clear sign that some upper back strength development is needed along with some kind of mobility work.
Not surprising at all. I see a lot of younger people around my office that are stooped shouldered before 30. That just boggles my mind.0 -
I don't know why- big bag = big bench = big dead = big squat.
Big back is bea.2 -
A little late to the OHS discussion, but just came across this article today
https://www.t-nation.com/training/tip-are-overhead-squats-right-for-you?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=article68723 -
I am not sure if this link will work (I have never posted a link to a youtube video before) but take a look at :
https://youtu.be/cWgV7-qaAjE , he explains how to get your abs to push out with weighted ab work. Of course this won't work well if your diet is not in check. 
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