I guess "Whole" Foods does not mean "healthy"...
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NO I did not think vegan = healthy. And for that matter I guess I need to clarify further. I get that muffins are bakery items and that bakery items are often calorie rich. However, I have been baking from home for decades and I have really NO idea how anyone, including a commerical bakery, could cram so many calories into ONE MUFFIN. I make muffins. They are my "specialty". Even before I was fat and calorie conscious, non of my muffins ever packed that kind of calorie load. Even an Otis Spunkmeyer muffin has less calories.6
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When I think if Whole Foods, I just think "expensive."
There is only 1 thing that I ever buy there because it's not available elsewhere. That's Bariani Olive Oil, which is expensive, but it's a brand I like that I use sparingly for it's excellent taste & flavor. A bottle will last me over a year.
Otherwise, I buy my food where ever it is cheapest.2 -
Having read the responses here from start to finish, I would like to comment further. No, I dont think muffins are necessarily "whole" or "healthy". but what is shocking is the calorie density in ONE SINGLE MUFFIN. No, a bakery is not a place to make healthy choices. But this was beyond my wildest imagination, 740 calories! I figure a commercial muffin may have about 300 calories, give or take. So I consider 1/2 to be a portion. No, I dont think - either - that foods sold in organic stores will be low calorie. But for one muffin to be so calorie dense, it would have to be loaded with fat. That is not exactly what I would consider to be compatible with a store that asks "Are you hungry for better?"8
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MyrnaSolganick wrote: »Having read the responses here from start to finish, I would like to comment further. No, I dont think muffins are necessarily "whole" or "healthy". but what is shocking is the calorie density in ONE SINGLE MUFFIN. No, a bakery is not a place to make healthy choices. But this was beyond my wildest imagination, 740 calories! I figure a commercial muffin may have about 300 calories, give or take. So I consider 1/2 to be a portion. No, I dont think - either - that foods sold in organic stores will be low calorie. But for one muffin to be so calorie dense, it would have to be loaded with fat. That is not exactly what I would consider to be compatible with a store that asks "Are you hungry for better?"
But why not? It's a bakery. It's likely not going to be low calorie.
And how much did this muffin weigh? Because frankly, I've never seen one that is remotely close in size to what I make, and my homemade ones are about 200 calories. A Starbucks one is in the ballpark of 400. So I wouldn't be surprised that if it's twice the size of a Starbucks muffin (which wouldn't be difficult) that it's going to have twice the calories.
Besides. Fat is delicious. Fat isn't bad. Just because *you* think that doesn't make it universally true.
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"MyrnaSolganick wrote: »No, I dont think muffins are necessarily "whole" or "healthy". but what is shocking is the calorie density in ONE SINGLE MUFFIN. No, a bakery is not a place to make healthy choices. But this was beyond my wildest imagination, 740 calories!
I seldom eat any baked goods anymore precisely for this reason.
Doesn't matter where they are sold, anything baked w/sugar, flour, eggs and butter or shortening in it is going to be high in cals.2 -
Whole foods do not mean chocolate muffins.
A whole food are the grains that went into the muffin.
Cocoa is the more 'wholier' form of chocolate.
And just because it was purchased from Whole Foods doesn't mean its healthier! lol
Even Flax muffins say each muffin contains 2 servings.
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Hah. Cocoa is refined too. The cocoa butter is largely removed. Here is whole food cacao beans after roasting.
http://www.marquettemagazine.com/tasting-cacao/2 -
yes but comparing it to say Hershey's chocolate chips its very different nutritional wise2
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MyrnaSolganick wrote: ». But for one muffin to be so calorie dense, it would have to be loaded with fat. That is not exactly what I would consider to be compatible with a store that asks "Are you hungry for better?"
I would encourage you to write a letter to Whole Foods and share your feelings about their product with them.
Ask for lower calorie options. Ask for better labeling. Demand an explanation of why they can sell foods with something you consider unhealthy with that slogan.
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Pure cocoa is bitter. In a recipe sugar or another sweetener is added to give it that delicious chocolate taste.
Hershey’s does the same thing.
Adding sugar to cocoa will give you the same nutritional profile as a Hershey’s kiss.
Since this single muffin came out so high calorie I would say it had plenty of sugar and fat added.1 -
Whole Foods is owned by Amazon now, right?
Maybe I should ask Alexa why my avocado cost $22.12 -
The saga continues: my husband and I went to WF to pick up some dinner. So: here is a bean and cheese quesadilla arranged in a circle, 4 pieces in the circle The sign says that 1/4 quesadilla has ..200 something calories, lets say 220. I ask the guy behind the counter: is each piece the serving size as posted, or is the serving size HALF of each piece? the answer: One piece is actually one half, not 1/4, so the quesadilla as it is is actually 440 calories. I get that not every single deli item can be parcelled out precisely, but if a serving size is 220 calories, shouldn't the serving size accurately represent the serving size posted?? I feel this is really misleading - deliberately. And yea, I wont be shopping much there from this point forward. Lounmoun, I will indeed contact corporate. Many of us are trying to eat healthier, make good choices, read labels. We dont need to be misled.3
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Whole Foods is a business so they are interested in catering to the majority. The majority of shoppers don't want things that taste like cardboard. Whole Foods' muffins are about double the size of a muffin I'd make at home. And, in order to make it vegan, they pull out the animal products and replace with extra fat, which is more calorie dense. IMO, that calorie count makes sense considering I've seen the size and density of that muffin.
I also can see the rationale behind the quesadilla. To me, a quesadilla is 1 tortilla, folded in half. So the pieces that you are describing are actually showing 2 separate quesadillas. Remember, Whole Foods is also trying to present items that look appealing. Is it the label confusing? Yea, a bit. But that's why you ask, and you ended up still getting the correct answer from the associate.6 -
I feel it is intentionally misleading.4
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MyrnaSolganick wrote: »What I dont get is how they can offer such an item in the bakery - and what the hey is in it that packs that many calories? I think cheesecake is even less caloric than the muffin!
By that standard bakeries also shouldn't have cake. I mean what you've essentially come to realize is a. muffins are cake, b. vegan doesn't mean calorie deficit (as opposed to calorie dense), and c. "whole foods" aren't things you can assume are easier to fit into your allotted number of calories per day than processed foods (or whatever the opposite of whole food is).2 -
MyrnaSolganick wrote: »The saga continues: my husband and I went to WF to pick up some dinner. So: here is a bean and cheese quesadilla arranged in a circle, 4 pieces in the circle The sign says that 1/4 quesadilla has ..200 something calories, lets say 220. I ask the guy behind the counter: is each piece the serving size as posted, or is the serving size HALF of each piece? the answer: One piece is actually one half, not 1/4, so the quesadilla as it is is actually 440 calories. I get that not every single deli item can be parcelled out precisely, but if a serving size is 220 calories, shouldn't the serving size accurately represent the serving size posted?? I feel this is really misleading - deliberately. And yea, I wont be shopping much there from this point forward. Lounmoun, I will indeed contact corporate. Many of us are trying to eat healthier, make good choices, read labels. We dont need to be misled.
Who is misleading you? They're putting the serving size out there. Just because it's not what you want it to be doesn't mean that it's not true.19 -
Whole Foods is a business so they are interested in catering to the majority. The majority of shoppers don't want things that taste like cardboard. Whole Foods' muffins are about double the size of a muffin I'd make at home. And, in order to make it vegan, they pull out the animal products and replace with extra fat, which is more calorie dense. IMO, that calorie count makes sense considering I've seen the size and density of that muffin.
I also can see the rationale behind the quesadilla. To me, a quesadilla is 1 tortilla, folded in half. So the pieces that you are describing are actually showing 2 separate quesadillas. Remember, Whole Foods is also trying to present items that look appealing. Is it the label confusing? Yea, a bit. But that's why you ask, and you ended up still getting the correct answer from the associate.
Exactly. When I make a quesadilla, it's one tortilla, folded in half. I'd be surprised if a full circle were considered one quesadilla -- to me, it's pretty obviously two.
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I'd love to see the size, density and fat content of this muffin. For those calories it would want to be a biggin' and be filling!2
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Commercial muffins are usually way larger than any muffins you'd make at home (and obviously so). I've never checked the calories on WF muffins, since they aren't something I buy, but the ones I've seen are big.
Now I'm curious about the calorie counts of their prepared stuff, so may check it out next time I'm in there.
Quesadillas have cheese, so I'd not expect them to be low cal.1 -
Christine_72 wrote: »I'd love to see the size, density and fat content of this muffin. For those calories it would want to be a biggin' and be filling!
Not as big as a CostCo muffin but heavier in weight than one. It's smaller in circumference, but higher in height. I'd say probably double the size of a Starbucks muffin. I find the texture of the vegan muffins to be very strange, almost like an English Muffin type texture which I think adds to the density/chewiness factor.0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »I'd love to see the size, density and fat content of this muffin. For those calories it would want to be a biggin' and be filling!
Not as big as a CostCo muffin but heavier in weight than one. It's smaller in circumference, but higher in height. I'd say probably double the size of a Starbucks muffin. I find the texture of the vegan muffins to be very strange, almost like an English Muffin type texture which I think adds to the density/chewiness factor.
700 calories definitely does not surprise if it's double the size of Starbucks -- the Starbucks blueberry muffin is 370 calories, I think?0 -
Alright so here’s the thing-
Just because it’s ‘vegan’ doesn’t mean it’s healthy. I’m a firm believer of macros and not labels.
Whole Foods does have strict rules on what they allowed to be sold in stores. Rules apply to the sourcing and the quality of ingredients used. I know this because I work at Whole Foods.
However the amount of sugar and unneeded supplements that pass by me at the register astounds me. People need to do their research and find what matches their body best instead of falling for marketing labels such as ‘vegan’ ‘vegetarian’ and ‘paleo’.
I’m trying to be ‘keto’ but I’m not going to pound my coffee we loads of butter to get to the required fat percentage. I will however use organic coconut oil in cooking to get healthy fats. But this is for my personal diet.5 -
Oil !!!!!! .... I had my muffin realisation when I made muffins at home and pouring the oil into the mix it dawned on me
(1) ah this is why they are so moist
(2) ah this is why each small one is 400kcal
Now I make carrot and yogurt cakes ... equally as moist but about half the calories per serving
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I found a mini muffin recipe that works well...0
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »
Oh yeah no totally, speaking personally califlower crust sounds like something Satan himself cooked up.
It's actually quite good if you make it right, but you tend to have to use plenty of cheese and eggs as a binder. I don't consider it a substitute for real crust. It's more a different food altogether, the same way that I don't consider eggplant parm as a substitute for chicken parm. It's a completely different item that I like just the same.
The only real benefit to cauliflower crust over regular crust is the gluten-free aspect.2 -
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sashayav2018 wrote: »Alright so here’s the thing-
Just because it’s ‘vegan’ doesn’t mean it’s healthy. I’m a firm believer of macros and not labels.
Whole Foods does have strict rules on what they allowed to be sold in stores. Rules apply to the sourcing and the quality of ingredients used. I know this because I work at Whole Foods.
However the amount of sugar and unneeded supplements that pass by me at the register astounds me. People need to do their research and find what matches their body best instead of falling for marketing labels such as ‘vegan’ ‘vegetarian’ and ‘paleo’.
I’m trying to be ‘keto’ but I’m not going to pound my coffee we loads of butter to get to the required fat percentage. I will however use organic coconut oil in cooking to get healthy fats. But this is for my personal diet.
Whole Foods has a fair number of vegan customers. In this case, "vegan" is probably meant to let them know the product has no animal products, not as a marketing label.4 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
Yup -- their avocados, lemons, and limes are significantly cheaper than my local chain.
As are their organic products, grass-fed beef, wild-caught seafood, etc.
I feel like most of the people who complain about Whole Foods' prices don't actually, you know, shop there.3 -
collectingblues wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
Yup -- their avocados, lemons, and limes are significantly cheaper than my local chain.
As are their organic products, grass-fed beef, wild-caught seafood, etc.
I feel like most of the people who complain about Whole Foods' prices don't actually, you know, shop there.
Yeah, I'm not going to dispute they have some pricey items. But if you are thoughtful about what you pick out, you can get good stuff relatively cheaply.0
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