Chiropractic care
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Also, not all chiropractors use the same methods. I personally like my chiropractor as he helps my lower back pain, which is caused by a weak core ( he even told me that). Some of the newer ones use electrodes which I hate, I prefer the old fashioned hands on method.0
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The chiropractor I've seen helped me "get rid" of my Bell's palsy. It's not curable, hence the quotation marks. I had a mild relapse as a side effect to numbing medication my dentist used, but it went away after an hour.
If you think chiropractic is quack medicine, don't use it.3 -
JeromeBarry1 wrote: »This is all so interesting and timely. I was referred by Ortho to a Chiro for rehab for shoulder pain and went last night.
He took X-rays and said I have scoliosis, one leg shorter than the other and adrenal issues. If that’s all true, is a chiro the best option to help?
I agree, my woo-antenna are erect. There are 2 schools of chiropractic training. My good experiences have been with those of the Parker school.
A stopped watch is right twice a day.
Chiropractic is based on the fundamental error that supposes all disorders can be fixed by spinal manipulation.
What some chiros sometimes get right are basically flukes made in spite of chiropractic as a "discipline".
Ditch the whole thing and see a doctor, physiotherapist, or masseur.6 -
I see one fairly regularly. But I also have back problems that benefit from regular adjustments. I had 4 herniated disks by 19. Have had surgery on 2 of them. And to keep the rest of my back in line I have to go.
I do notice when I don’t go for an extended period of time that my first adjustment back does make me quite sore the following day. Which doesn’t happen to everyone.
I wouldn’t be able to function on a daily basis without a chiropractor so while I know and understand there are other risks FOR ME the pros of being able to feel my hands and stand up definitely outweigh risks of stroke. I’ll already never have full functionality in one of my legs because of nerve damage from before I had my surgery almost 10 years ago.
That being said. There are some crazy flipping chiropractors out there and some of them are full of woo. You have to use a modicum of common sense and also know what you’re looking for.1 -
Some years ago I started seeing a chiropractor for piriformis and lower back pain. He convinced me that by buying a bunch of vitamins/supplements both of those conditions would heal. They didn’t. Basically I ended up with very expensive urine. He also claimed he could cure asthma and allergies.2
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I see one fairly regularly. But I also have back problems that benefit from regular adjustments. I had 4 herniated disks by 19. Have had surgery on 2 of them. And to keep the rest of my back in line I have to go.
I do notice when I don’t go for an extended period of time that my first adjustment back does make me quite sore the following day. Which doesn’t happen to everyone.
I wouldn’t be able to function on a daily basis without a chiropractor so while I know and understand there are other risks FOR ME the pros of being able to feel my hands and stand up definitely outweigh risks of stroke. I’ll already never have full functionality in one of my legs because of nerve damage from before I had my surgery almost 10 years ago.
That being said. There are some crazy flipping chiropractors out there and some of them are full of woo. You have to use a modicum of common sense and also know what you’re looking for.
My sympathies for your back problems.
It could be that your back "feels better" only because it's stopped hurting after the chiropractor made it hurt.
Chiropractic is a "self-licking icecream cone".12 -
Grimmerick wrote: »
Google is your friend.
I did google, I attached what I came up with as I am sure you saw, should be fairly simple for you to show yours. If you don't have a rebuttal then that's fine too. It's obvious as previously stated that there are many different experiences/"opinions" when it comes to the chiropractic field, yours is just one.1 -
I had a hip problem, went to the PT, got a rehab plan with an end goal, finished plan, no longer see PT. hip issue fixed with a few ongoing maintenance exercises.
With nearly everyone I know who sees a chiro, regardless of the problem they go with, ends up being told they have a hip issue or a one leg shorter than the other issue and ends up "needing" to go to the chiro on an ongoing basis...ie the plan isn't to get better and resolve the issue, the plan is to pay for a weekly chiro visit for the rest of your life.
And then there was the time a chiro broke my friends Dad's leg on his first visit for pain in his lower leg. Funny how you miss a tumor in a guys leg bone because you aren't a real doctor and you didn't get x-rays ordered before "treatment".
The placebo effect is real and would be fine if chiros weren't so dangerous.6 -
My wife goes to one occasionally but he moved office locations so its a bit of a drive, I believe you may need a adjustment from time to time, I had a Physician who is a DO and can manipulate if need be. I am very weary of anyone who tells me I need to come 3 times a week to keep things in check and by the way its 50.00 a visit plus X-Rays, and let me get you signed up for our 6 month payment plan. (yes this did happen to me) my response um-mm, let me think about, it goodbye. Especially when I do not have any issues and they tell me I need this just because blah blah blah blah. Yes I have been told this by several Chiropractors who by the way are not Doctors.
In case your wondering why i seen one to begin with, my wife talked me into seeing a couple of Chiros with her.
Also this was a long time ago, my dad went to one who swore he could fix him and deterred him from seeing a doc. He ended up with major back surgery (at the time) gave him a 50/50 chance of walking again. He had issues the rest of his life but he walked and resumed a normal life after about 3-4 months recovery time.0 -
I have only had good experiences with my own chiropractor, but I think they may be more heavily regulated in the UK & Ireland than in some other countries.
When I had issues with my back in 2016 following a fall earlier that year, I had some adjustments and some dry needling which relieved the pain, got to the root cause of why the back pain had gradually got worse (Had a gait scan and found I was over-pronating, resolved with some insoles bought online) and we came up with an exercise/stretching plan to improve the strength and flexibility in my back/core. They haven't tried to sell me payment plans or pushed for further appointments and I haven't had any recurrence since.
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charlieandcarol wrote: »I had a hip problem, went to the PT, got a rehab plan with an end goal, finished plan, no longer see PT. hip issue fixed with a few ongoing maintenance exercises.
With nearly everyone I know who sees a chiro, regardless of the problem they go with, ends up being told they have a hip issue or a one leg shorter than the other issue and ends up "needing" to go to the chiro on an ongoing basis...ie the plan isn't to get better and resolve the issue, the plan is to pay for a weekly chiro visit for the rest of your life.
And then there was the time a chiro broke my friends Dad's leg on his first visit for pain in his lower leg. Funny how you miss a tumor in a guys leg bone because you aren't a real doctor and you didn't get x-rays ordered before "treatment".
The placebo effect is real and would be fine if chiros weren't so dangerous.
That's a bummer. My mom's chiro told her only come in when she feels her back out. He said "what the point in coming in if everything is already aligned?"2 -
I see one fairly regularly. But I also have back problems that benefit from regular adjustments. I had 4 herniated disks by 19. Have had surgery on 2 of them. And to keep the rest of my back in line I have to go.
I do notice when I don’t go for an extended period of time that my first adjustment back does make me quite sore the following day. Which doesn’t happen to everyone.
I wouldn’t be able to function on a daily basis without a chiropractor so while I know and understand there are other risks FOR ME the pros of being able to feel my hands and stand up definitely outweigh risks of stroke. I’ll already never have full functionality in one of my legs because of nerve damage from before I had my surgery almost 10 years ago.
That being said. There are some crazy flipping chiropractors out there and some of them are full of woo. You have to use a modicum of common sense and also know what you’re looking for.
My sympathies for your back problems.
It could be that your back "feels better" only because it's stopped hurting after the chiropractor made it hurt.
Chiropractic is a "self-licking icecream cone".
Or it could be that not having my vertebrae misaligned influences pressure put on my herniated disks and nerves making it possible for proper nerve functioning and blood flow to my extremities.
Like I said I have herniated disks that resulted in nerve damage that’s going to be permenant.
Like I stated previously. I am physically not capable of functioning when I don’t go to get adjusted regularly, like can’t walk because I’m in so much pain. Can’t do my job functions because my hands are tingling and numb so I can’t type.
It’s not for everyone and I get that. But trying to say that what clearly works for me. Doesn’t work just because it doesn’t work for you is ridiculous. You don’t live your life in my body nor I in yours. It works for me, gives me a better quality of life. since I’m 28 and enjoy getting out of bed....8 -
charlieandcarol wrote: »I had a hip problem, went to the PT, got a rehab plan with an end goal, finished plan, no longer see PT. hip issue fixed with a few ongoing maintenance exercises.
With nearly everyone I know who sees a chiro, regardless of the problem they go with, ends up being told they have a hip issue or a one leg shorter than the other issue and ends up "needing" to go to the chiro on an ongoing basis...ie the plan isn't to get better and resolve the issue, the plan is to pay for a weekly chiro visit for the rest of your life.
I agree that this is a problem with the mindset of some chiropractors. The end goal should not be to come in for weekly or even monthly maintenance, it should be to provide enough education and tools (exercises, stretches, etc.) to be able to maintain progress and prevent re-aggravation. But of course this isn't true of every chiropractor.
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My wife goes to one occasionally but he moved office locations so its a bit of a drive, I believe you may need a adjustment from time to time, I had a Physician who is a DO and can manipulate if need be. I am very weary of anyone who tells me I need to come 3 times a week to keep things in check and by the way its 50.00 a visit plus X-Rays, and let me get you signed up for our 6 month payment plan. (yes this did happen to me) my response um-mm, let me think about, it goodbye. Especially when I do not have any issues and they tell me I need this just because blah blah blah blah. Yes I have been told this by several Chiropractors who by the way are not Doctors.
In case your wondering why i seen one to begin with, my wife talked me into seeing a couple of Chiros with her.
Also this was a long time ago, my dad went to one who swore he could fix him and deterred him from seeing a doc. He ended up with major back surgery (at the time) gave him a 50/50 chance of walking again. He had issues the rest of his life but he walked and resumed a normal life after about 3-4 months recovery time.
This^
Having them try to sell on a payment plan is ridiculous. Kind of makes me want to ask ‘What?! Are you guys like a gym?! Like, do I get free WiFi with that? Is it like getting an airline credit card? Do you have a members-only lounge with free coffee?’0 -
I see one fairly regularly. But I also have back problems that benefit from regular adjustments. I had 4 herniated disks by 19. Have had surgery on 2 of them. And to keep the rest of my back in line I have to go.
I do notice when I don’t go for an extended period of time that my first adjustment back does make me quite sore the following day. Which doesn’t happen to everyone.
I wouldn’t be able to function on a daily basis without a chiropractor so while I know and understand there are other risks FOR ME the pros of being able to feel my hands and stand up definitely outweigh risks of stroke. I’ll already never have full functionality in one of my legs because of nerve damage from before I had my surgery almost 10 years ago.
That being said. There are some crazy flipping chiropractors out there and some of them are full of woo. You have to use a modicum of common sense and also know what you’re looking for.
My sympathies for your back problems.
It could be that your back "feels better" only because it's stopped hurting after the chiropractor made it hurt.
Chiropractic is a "self-licking icecream cone".
Or it could be that not having my vertebrae misaligned influences pressure put on my herniated disks and nerves making it possible for proper nerve functioning and blood flow to my extremities.
Like I said I have herniated disks that resulted in nerve damage that’s going to be permenant.
Like I stated previously. I am physically not capable of functioning when I don’t go to get adjusted regularly, like can’t walk because I’m in so much pain. Can’t do my job functions because my hands are tingling and numb so I can’t type.
It’s not for everyone and I get that. But trying to say that what clearly works for me. Doesn’t work just because it doesn’t work for you is ridiculous. You don’t live your life in my body nor I in yours. It works for me, gives me a better quality of life. since I’m 28 and enjoy getting out of bed....
Like I said, you have my sympathy. You obviously find it very frustrating since you're accusing me of things I didn't say. Your pain shows through your words.
Have you tried seeing a physiotherapist to get exercises you can do yourself to flex the spine the same way?
I'd hate for you to suffer financially as well with never-ending chiro bills when you possibly might not have to.2 -
I have a chiro. It took me a LONG time to find a good one. I've been to more than 8 different ones across a number of states and only like and go to 2.
The first one is a sport chiro. He does dry needling and is ROUGH. There is no machinery used at all with him, just him and his guys getting into ALL your spots. He does triathlons so understands a lot of different injury types. He bough his practice from a BIG dude that used to work there. The big dude didn't say more than 10 words to me over the 5 years I went to him but he was a miracle worker. This practice is over an hour's drive from me but I don't have to see them often. They're VERY effective. Their motto is to keep you going, not coming back***
There is a passable chiro about 35 minutes from me. This practice is family owned, Chinese/holistic. They do acupuncture and massage after adjustments but it's a mostly one and done thing. I don't get super lasting relief from them but they address symptoms very well. It's all very hands on too. The acupuncture here is cool because they hook you up to estim machines through the needles. They also do cupping so I always walk out looking like an Olympic athlete.
Everyone else I've seen has been a quack.
If they have to take X-rays, won't help you the day of your first appointment, and have an extended "treatment" plan meant to keep me coming back***, they're not the right fit for me.
I refuse to sit on heating pads or lay on a rolling table. If I have to pay extra for someone to show me how to stretch, you're not looking out for my best interests.
It is WORTH IT to find the right fit for you.4 -
I was not raised in the "world of chiropractic." Hadn't given it a moment's thought until after a car accident. Medical generalists and specialists couldn't solve my issues, but were willing to help me by giving me steroid shots, etc. A heaping pile of medical debt later, I got a recommendation to give something different a try. I figured I may as well, not much to lose. The chiropractor I saw was not able to completely solve the problem, but got me to where I could get by day-to-day. He had physical therapy staff as well as massage therapy staff, all of which were incorporated into my recuperation.
I still, to this day, have problems with some of the damage (especially after the car accident), but it's thankfully so much less than what I was "stuck with" according to medical professionals. Don't miss the shots and drugs one bit (financially and side-effects considered).
I agree that there are definitely good and bad. I've been to offices where there is a good, rounded, educated staff who take the time to understand the issue, and I have been to ones who I haven't been back to as I've moved around over the years.
The one thing that surprised me is how our daughter was really helped by effective treatment. Following the car accident (looking back it's obvious, but at the time hadn't made the link), she was sick time after time after time with ear infections. As soon as she'd get better it seemed like we were having to go into the doctor with a newly fever-ridden child the next week. Finally, through the doctor and ENT specialists, we were told we'd exhausted various options and that she'd need to get tubes in her ears. Scheduled the surgery, and though we weren't thrilled about the prospect (my husband lost his hearing in one ear due to tubes), we prepared to go through with it. I don't recall how it came up, but someone we knew told us "I know it sounds weird, but have you tried a chiropractic adjustment?" We hadn't, of course, but with the success I'd had we figured we may as well give it a shot.
One adjustment. That was all she needed. She has not had to ingest antibiotics since, and we cancelled the surgery. There were a few times over the years when she indicated she was having aches in her ear, and an adjustment has taken care of it.
I'm thankful, after reading through some of the bad experiences people have had, that we have been lucky enough with the chiropractic practitioner lottery. I will certainly be even more wary should we move or go on a trip and need to try a new one.3 -
MelodiousMermaid wrote: »I was not raised in the "world of chiropractic." Hadn't given it a moment's thought until after a car accident. Medical generalists and specialists couldn't solve my issues, but were willing to help me by giving me steroid shots, etc. A heaping pile of medical debt later, I got a recommendation to give something different a try. I figured I may as well, not much to lose. The chiropractor I saw was not able to completely solve the problem, but got me to where I could get by day-to-day. He had physical therapy staff as well as massage therapy staff, all of which were incorporated into my recuperation.
I still, to this day, have problems with some of the damage (especially after the car accident), but it's thankfully so much less than what I was "stuck with" according to medical professionals. Don't miss the shots and drugs one bit (financially and side-effects considered).
I agree that there are definitely good and bad. I've been to offices where there is a good, rounded, educated staff who take the time to understand the issue, and I have been to ones who I haven't been back to as I've moved around over the years.
The one thing that surprised me is how our daughter was really helped by effective treatment. Following the car accident (looking back it's obvious, but at the time hadn't made the link), she was sick time after time after time with ear infections. As soon as she'd get better it seemed like we were having to go into the doctor with a newly fever-ridden child the next week. Finally, through the doctor and ENT specialists, we were told we'd exhausted various options and that she'd need to get tubes in her ears. Scheduled the surgery, and though we weren't thrilled about the prospect (my husband lost his hearing in one ear due to tubes), we prepared to go through with it. I don't recall how it came up, but someone we knew told us "I know it sounds weird, but have you tried a chiropractic adjustment?" We hadn't, of course, but with the success I'd had we figured we may as well give it a shot.
One adjustment. That was all she needed. She has not had to ingest antibiotics since, and we cancelled the surgery. There were a few times over the years when she indicated she was having aches in her ear, and an adjustment has taken care of it.
I'm thankful, after reading through some of the bad experiences people have had, that we have been lucky enough with the chiropractic practitioner lottery. I will certainly be even more wary should we move or go on a trip and need to try a new one.
Kinda similar to why I went to a chiropractor. I had Bell's Palsy and the assigned medical treatment at the time was electric shocks administered to 9 areas of the face. The point of the shock treatment was to keep the paralyzed muscles moving a little bit. I had 2 treatments given to me by my oldest sister. I have a thing about objects coming near my face/eyes and I was extremely uncomfortable having this done. My sister insulted me during the treatment (you're such a baby, stop being a p***y). I'd had it. If this treatment was to stimulate nerve endings/muscles. then it's probably a pinched nerve causing the paralysis. (In my head this was a logical leap). I saw a chiro, got an adjustment after explaining my problem, and my face gradually unparalyzed a few days later. I suggested this to the other people who had Bell's and they scoffed. Well, afaik, they still have it and I don't.
Like I posted earlier, if you think chiropractic is quack medicine, don't use it. I don't think ACV or cinnamon daily is going to cure anything, but I don't spit on people who do it.4 -
I see one fairly regularly. But I also have back problems that benefit from regular adjustments. I had 4 herniated disks by 19. Have had surgery on 2 of them. And to keep the rest of my back in line I have to go.
I do notice when I don’t go for an extended period of time that my first adjustment back does make me quite sore the following day. Which doesn’t happen to everyone.
I wouldn’t be able to function on a daily basis without a chiropractor so while I know and understand there are other risks FOR ME the pros of being able to feel my hands and stand up definitely outweigh risks of stroke. I’ll already never have full functionality in one of my legs because of nerve damage from before I had my surgery almost 10 years ago.
That being said. There are some crazy flipping chiropractors out there and some of them are full of woo. You have to use a modicum of common sense and also know what you’re looking for.
My sympathies for your back problems.
It could be that your back "feels better" only because it's stopped hurting after the chiropractor made it hurt.
Chiropractic is a "self-licking icecream cone".
Or it could be that not having my vertebrae misaligned influences pressure put on my herniated disks and nerves making it possible for proper nerve functioning and blood flow to my extremities.
Like I said I have herniated disks that resulted in nerve damage that’s going to be permenant.
Like I stated previously. I am physically not capable of functioning when I don’t go to get adjusted regularly, like can’t walk because I’m in so much pain. Can’t do my job functions because my hands are tingling and numb so I can’t type.
It’s not for everyone and I get that. But trying to say that what clearly works for me. Doesn’t work just because it doesn’t work for you is ridiculous. You don’t live your life in my body nor I in yours. It works for me, gives me a better quality of life. since I’m 28 and enjoy getting out of bed....
Like I said, you have my sympathy. You obviously find it very frustrating since you're accusing me of things I didn't say. Your pain shows through your words.
Have you tried seeing a physiotherapist to get exercises you can do yourself to flex the spine the same way?
I'd hate for you to suffer financially as well with never-ending chiro bills when you possibly might not have to.
I have tried physical therapy, I have done quite literally anything possible and chiropractic is what works for me.
My chiro isn't the crazy type having me go 3 times a week for no good reason. I go once, maybe twice a month, if necessary. $20 a month is not breaking the bank for me by any means.
I'm sorry if I accused you of something you didn't say. I thought self licking ice cream cone was a bit condescending so I got a bit defensive.3 -
I have a chiro. It took me a LONG time to find a good one. I've been to more than 8 different ones across a number of states and only like and go to 2.
The first one is a sport chiro. He does dry needling and is ROUGH. There is no machinery used at all with him, just him and his guys getting into ALL your spots. He does triathlons so understands a lot of different injury types. He bough his practice from a BIG dude that used to work there. The big dude didn't say more than 10 words to me over the 5 years I went to him but he was a miracle worker. This practice is over an hour's drive from me but I don't have to see them often. They're VERY effective. Their motto is to keep you going, not coming back***
There is a passable chiro about 35 minutes from me. This practice is family owned, Chinese/holistic. They do acupuncture and massage after adjustments but it's a mostly one and done thing. I don't get super lasting relief from them but they address symptoms very well. It's all very hands on too. The acupuncture here is cool because they hook you up to estim machines through the needles. They also do cupping so I always walk out looking like an Olympic athlete.
Everyone else I've seen has been a quack.
If they have to take X-rays, won't help you the day of your first appointment, and have an extended "treatment" plan meant to keep me coming back***, they're not the right fit for me.
I refuse to sit on heating pads or lay on a rolling table. If I have to pay extra for someone to show me how to stretch, you're not looking out for my best interests.
It is WORTH IT to find the right fit for you.
Anyone who performs dry needing, acupuncture, cupping, or any other such nonsense is a quack.8 -
johnslater461 wrote: »I have a chiro. It took me a LONG time to find a good one. I've been to more than 8 different ones across a number of states and only like and go to 2.
The first one is a sport chiro. He does dry needling and is ROUGH. There is no machinery used at all with him, just him and his guys getting into ALL your spots. He does triathlons so understands a lot of different injury types. He bough his practice from a BIG dude that used to work there. The big dude didn't say more than 10 words to me over the 5 years I went to him but he was a miracle worker. This practice is over an hour's drive from me but I don't have to see them often. They're VERY effective. Their motto is to keep you going, not coming back***
There is a passable chiro about 35 minutes from me. This practice is family owned, Chinese/holistic. They do acupuncture and massage after adjustments but it's a mostly one and done thing. I don't get super lasting relief from them but they address symptoms very well. It's all very hands on too. The acupuncture here is cool because they hook you up to estim machines through the needles. They also do cupping so I always walk out looking like an Olympic athlete.
Everyone else I've seen has been a quack.
If they have to take X-rays, won't help you the day of your first appointment, and have an extended "treatment" plan meant to keep me coming back***, they're not the right fit for me.
I refuse to sit on heating pads or lay on a rolling table. If I have to pay extra for someone to show me how to stretch, you're not looking out for my best interests.
It is WORTH IT to find the right fit for you.
Anyone who performs dry needing, acupuncture, cupping, or any other such nonsense is a quack.
We do acupuncture and and dry needling here at the Spine Institute and Therapy Fitness Center. Our Physical Therapists do dry needling and our Pain management doctor does acupuncture. Our spinal surgeons even seem to think it's a great option and recommend it along with other therapies before things more serious like surgery, but hey what do they know right.9 -
Grimmerick wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »I have a chiro. It took me a LONG time to find a good one. I've been to more than 8 different ones across a number of states and only like and go to 2.
The first one is a sport chiro. He does dry needling and is ROUGH. There is no machinery used at all with him, just him and his guys getting into ALL your spots. He does triathlons so understands a lot of different injury types. He bough his practice from a BIG dude that used to work there. The big dude didn't say more than 10 words to me over the 5 years I went to him but he was a miracle worker. This practice is over an hour's drive from me but I don't have to see them often. They're VERY effective. Their motto is to keep you going, not coming back***
There is a passable chiro about 35 minutes from me. This practice is family owned, Chinese/holistic. They do acupuncture and massage after adjustments but it's a mostly one and done thing. I don't get super lasting relief from them but they address symptoms very well. It's all very hands on too. The acupuncture here is cool because they hook you up to estim machines through the needles. They also do cupping so I always walk out looking like an Olympic athlete.
Everyone else I've seen has been a quack.
If they have to take X-rays, won't help you the day of your first appointment, and have an extended "treatment" plan meant to keep me coming back***, they're not the right fit for me.
I refuse to sit on heating pads or lay on a rolling table. If I have to pay extra for someone to show me how to stretch, you're not looking out for my best interests.
It is WORTH IT to find the right fit for you.
Anyone who performs dry needing, acupuncture, cupping, or any other such nonsense is a quack.
We do acupuncture and and dry needling here at the Spine Institute and Therapy Fitness Center. Our Physical Therapists do dry needling and our Pain management doctor does acupuncture. Our spinal surgeons even seem to think it's a great option and recommend it before things more serious like surgery, but hey what do they know right.
Since neither has a whit of scientific support, the fact that they offer these procedures shows that they know a great deal about fleecing patients and their insurance companies.
Nothing more9 -
johnslater461 wrote: »Grimmerick wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »I have a chiro. It took me a LONG time to find a good one. I've been to more than 8 different ones across a number of states and only like and go to 2.
The first one is a sport chiro. He does dry needling and is ROUGH. There is no machinery used at all with him, just him and his guys getting into ALL your spots. He does triathlons so understands a lot of different injury types. He bough his practice from a BIG dude that used to work there. The big dude didn't say more than 10 words to me over the 5 years I went to him but he was a miracle worker. This practice is over an hour's drive from me but I don't have to see them often. They're VERY effective. Their motto is to keep you going, not coming back***
There is a passable chiro about 35 minutes from me. This practice is family owned, Chinese/holistic. They do acupuncture and massage after adjustments but it's a mostly one and done thing. I don't get super lasting relief from them but they address symptoms very well. It's all very hands on too. The acupuncture here is cool because they hook you up to estim machines through the needles. They also do cupping so I always walk out looking like an Olympic athlete.
Everyone else I've seen has been a quack.
If they have to take X-rays, won't help you the day of your first appointment, and have an extended "treatment" plan meant to keep me coming back***, they're not the right fit for me.
I refuse to sit on heating pads or lay on a rolling table. If I have to pay extra for someone to show me how to stretch, you're not looking out for my best interests.
It is WORTH IT to find the right fit for you.
Anyone who performs dry needing, acupuncture, cupping, or any other such nonsense is a quack.
We do acupuncture and and dry needling here at the Spine Institute and Therapy Fitness Center. Our Physical Therapists do dry needling and our Pain management doctor does acupuncture. Our spinal surgeons even seem to think it's a great option and recommend it before things more serious like surgery, but hey what do they know right.
Since neither has a whit of scientific support, the fact that they offer these procedures shows that they know a great deal about fleecing patients and their insurance companies.
Nothing more
Ha, Well then we have a lot of liars for patients and that includes professional athletes. We also have our own research foundation. But if all of that is not enough I have had dry needling done myself and it worked like a charm. So I won't be taking your word for anything. I see the results with my own eyes everyday. I am not saying it works for everyone but NOTHING works the same for everyone be it medication, surgery, PT etc. Do you work in the field or just read things online?(that's a serious question btw) From what I have read most state that more thorough studies need to be done and they are undecided without quality studies. Example for you
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28167189
Studies aren't the end all be all and a lot of times depend on quality and setup(don't sit there and tell me there isn't poorly designed studies or studies that lean a certain way depending on funding) But you have made your decision before they have even gathered enough information to make an actual long term assessment.6 -
Grimmerick wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »Grimmerick wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »I have a chiro. It took me a LONG time to find a good one. I've been to more than 8 different ones across a number of states and only like and go to 2.
The first one is a sport chiro. He does dry needling and is ROUGH. There is no machinery used at all with him, just him and his guys getting into ALL your spots. He does triathlons so understands a lot of different injury types. He bough his practice from a BIG dude that used to work there. The big dude didn't say more than 10 words to me over the 5 years I went to him but he was a miracle worker. This practice is over an hour's drive from me but I don't have to see them often. They're VERY effective. Their motto is to keep you going, not coming back***
There is a passable chiro about 35 minutes from me. This practice is family owned, Chinese/holistic. They do acupuncture and massage after adjustments but it's a mostly one and done thing. I don't get super lasting relief from them but they address symptoms very well. It's all very hands on too. The acupuncture here is cool because they hook you up to estim machines through the needles. They also do cupping so I always walk out looking like an Olympic athlete.
Everyone else I've seen has been a quack.
If they have to take X-rays, won't help you the day of your first appointment, and have an extended "treatment" plan meant to keep me coming back***, they're not the right fit for me.
I refuse to sit on heating pads or lay on a rolling table. If I have to pay extra for someone to show me how to stretch, you're not looking out for my best interests.
It is WORTH IT to find the right fit for you.
Anyone who performs dry needing, acupuncture, cupping, or any other such nonsense is a quack.
We do acupuncture and and dry needling here at the Spine Institute and Therapy Fitness Center. Our Physical Therapists do dry needling and our Pain management doctor does acupuncture. Our spinal surgeons even seem to think it's a great option and recommend it before things more serious like surgery, but hey what do they know right.
Since neither has a whit of scientific support, the fact that they offer these procedures shows that they know a great deal about fleecing patients and their insurance companies.
Nothing more
Ha, Well then we have a lot of liars for patients and that includes professional athletes. We also have our own research foundation. But if all of that is not enough I have had dry needling done myself and it worked like a charm. So I won't be taking your word for anything. I see the results with my own eyes everyday. I am not saying it works for everyone but NOTHING works the same for everyone be it medication, surgery, PT etc. Do you work in the field or just read things online?(that's a serious question btw) From what I have read most state that more thorough studies need to be done and they are undecided without quality studies. Example for you
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28167189
Studies aren't the end all be all and a lot of times depend on quality and setup(don't sit there and tell me there isn't poorly designed studies or studies that lean a certain way depending on funding) But you have made your decision before they have even gathered enough information to make an actual long term assessment.
So a study with no control group and no placebo control. Worthless.
Acupuncture and dry needing is placebo, nothing more
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/an-acupuncture-meta-analysis/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26946612
"DN was less effective on decreasing pain comparing to the placebo group. Other treatments were more effective than DN on reducing pain after 3–4 weeks."7 -
johnslater461 wrote: »Grimmerick wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »Grimmerick wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »I have a chiro. It took me a LONG time to find a good one. I've been to more than 8 different ones across a number of states and only like and go to 2.
The first one is a sport chiro. He does dry needling and is ROUGH. There is no machinery used at all with him, just him and his guys getting into ALL your spots. He does triathlons so understands a lot of different injury types. He bough his practice from a BIG dude that used to work there. The big dude didn't say more than 10 words to me over the 5 years I went to him but he was a miracle worker. This practice is over an hour's drive from me but I don't have to see them often. They're VERY effective. Their motto is to keep you going, not coming back***
There is a passable chiro about 35 minutes from me. This practice is family owned, Chinese/holistic. They do acupuncture and massage after adjustments but it's a mostly one and done thing. I don't get super lasting relief from them but they address symptoms very well. It's all very hands on too. The acupuncture here is cool because they hook you up to estim machines through the needles. They also do cupping so I always walk out looking like an Olympic athlete.
Everyone else I've seen has been a quack.
If they have to take X-rays, won't help you the day of your first appointment, and have an extended "treatment" plan meant to keep me coming back***, they're not the right fit for me.
I refuse to sit on heating pads or lay on a rolling table. If I have to pay extra for someone to show me how to stretch, you're not looking out for my best interests.
It is WORTH IT to find the right fit for you.
Anyone who performs dry needing, acupuncture, cupping, or any other such nonsense is a quack.
We do acupuncture and and dry needling here at the Spine Institute and Therapy Fitness Center. Our Physical Therapists do dry needling and our Pain management doctor does acupuncture. Our spinal surgeons even seem to think it's a great option and recommend it before things more serious like surgery, but hey what do they know right.
Since neither has a whit of scientific support, the fact that they offer these procedures shows that they know a great deal about fleecing patients and their insurance companies.
Nothing more
Ha, Well then we have a lot of liars for patients and that includes professional athletes. We also have our own research foundation. But if all of that is not enough I have had dry needling done myself and it worked like a charm. So I won't be taking your word for anything. I see the results with my own eyes everyday. I am not saying it works for everyone but NOTHING works the same for everyone be it medication, surgery, PT etc. Do you work in the field or just read things online?(that's a serious question btw) From what I have read most state that more thorough studies need to be done and they are undecided without quality studies. Example for you
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28167189
Studies aren't the end all be all and a lot of times depend on quality and setup(don't sit there and tell me there isn't poorly designed studies or studies that lean a certain way depending on funding) But you have made your decision before they have even gathered enough information to make an actual long term assessment.
So a study with no control group and no placebo control. Worthless.
Acupuncture and dry needing is placebo, nothing more
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/an-acupuncture-meta-analysis/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26946612
"DN was less effective on decreasing pain comparing to the placebo group. Other treatments were more effective than DN on reducing pain after 3–4 weeks."
What I am saying is don't discount it off of a couple of studies, especially since other studies are being done that show promise, they are continuing to study it for a reason. You are reading studies, I have been talking to real life people every day for years, a field I work in and it's done here everyday on top of that. I work for legitimate very sought after spinal surgeons, I don't take their personal knowledge and experience lightly. If I convince even one person and it works for them then I have done more for people than you have done just throwing it away on a few studies. This is to everyone else out there and you as well I suppose. Spinal degeneration( I work spine mainly so that is my focus) and chronic pain can ruin your life!! If you go to a legitimate doctor/surgeon take their advice not someone online, if you want the warm and cozy then get a second opinion, nothing wrong with that and I even recommend it.
Last time you said "Nothing more", well I say Nothing Less.
and just one last thought to leave you with on the placebo effect. Do you honestly think that a person with chronic pain everyday of their life really gives a tinkers damn what gets them out of pain and back to a semi normal to normal life? Especially if it isn't an opioid (cause lord knows those are hard to come by these days).7 -
sportychic87 wrote: »Curious to know what other people think on this. I’m generally a *major* skeptic on anything alternative but found myself yesterday at a first adjustment. Woke up sore and in pain and questioning the legitimacy of any ‘medicine’ that creates more pain-no intention of ever doing that again! I’ve heard great things from some people, wonderful tales about how they were all fixed up and so on and so on and lived happily ever after...
Research on the great web demonstrates how prevalent chiropractic medicine is. I’m curious to know your thoughts or experiences (negative or positive).
Hmm, I've never been sore afterwards. I had good luck with chiropractors after car accidents and so-so luck for chronic lower back pain, which finally went away after decades, not sure why, unless it was a second chakra issue that finally resolved
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johnslater461 wrote: »I have a chiro. It took me a LONG time to find a good one. I've been to more than 8 different ones across a number of states and only like and go to 2.
The first one is a sport chiro. He does dry needling and is ROUGH. There is no machinery used at all with him, just him and his guys getting into ALL your spots. He does triathlons so understands a lot of different injury types. He bough his practice from a BIG dude that used to work there. The big dude didn't say more than 10 words to me over the 5 years I went to him but he was a miracle worker. This practice is over an hour's drive from me but I don't have to see them often. They're VERY effective. Their motto is to keep you going, not coming back***
There is a passable chiro about 35 minutes from me. This practice is family owned, Chinese/holistic. They do acupuncture and massage after adjustments but it's a mostly one and done thing. I don't get super lasting relief from them but they address symptoms very well. It's all very hands on too. The acupuncture here is cool because they hook you up to estim machines through the needles. They also do cupping so I always walk out looking like an Olympic athlete.
Everyone else I've seen has been a quack.
If they have to take X-rays, won't help you the day of your first appointment, and have an extended "treatment" plan meant to keep me coming back***, they're not the right fit for me.
I refuse to sit on heating pads or lay on a rolling table. If I have to pay extra for someone to show me how to stretch, you're not looking out for my best interests.
It is WORTH IT to find the right fit for you.
Anyone who performs dry needing, acupuncture, cupping, or any other such nonsense is a quack.
Oh, I had much better results with acupuncture for carpal tunnel than my coworkers who had surgery.6 -
I see one fairly regularly. But I also have back problems that benefit from regular adjustments. I had 4 herniated disks by 19. Have had surgery on 2 of them. And to keep the rest of my back in line I have to go.
I do notice when I don’t go for an extended period of time that my first adjustment back does make me quite sore the following day. Which doesn’t happen to everyone.
I wouldn’t be able to function on a daily basis without a chiropractor so while I know and understand there are other risks FOR ME the pros of being able to feel my hands and stand up definitely outweigh risks of stroke. I’ll already never have full functionality in one of my legs because of nerve damage from before I had my surgery almost 10 years ago.
That being said. There are some crazy flipping chiropractors out there and some of them are full of woo. You have to use a modicum of common sense and also know what you’re looking for.
My sympathies for your back problems.
It could be that your back "feels better" only because it's stopped hurting after the chiropractor made it hurt.
Chiropractic is a "self-licking icecream cone".
Or it could be that not having my vertebrae misaligned influences pressure put on my herniated disks and nerves making it possible for proper nerve functioning and blood flow to my extremities.
Like I said I have herniated disks that resulted in nerve damage that’s going to be permenant.
Like I stated previously. I am physically not capable of functioning when I don’t go to get adjusted regularly, like can’t walk because I’m in so much pain. Can’t do my job functions because my hands are tingling and numb so I can’t type.
It’s not for everyone and I get that. But trying to say that what clearly works for me. Doesn’t work just because it doesn’t work for you is ridiculous. You don’t live your life in my body nor I in yours. It works for me, gives me a better quality of life. since I’m 28 and enjoy getting out of bed....
Like I said, you have my sympathy. You obviously find it very frustrating since you're accusing me of things I didn't say. Your pain shows through your words.
Have you tried seeing a physiotherapist to get exercises you can do yourself to flex the spine the same way?
I'd hate for you to suffer financially as well with never-ending chiro bills when you possibly might not have to.
I have tried physical therapy, I have done quite literally anything possible and chiropractic is what works for me.
My chiro isn't the crazy type having me go 3 times a week for no good reason. I go once, maybe twice a month, if necessary. $20 a month is not breaking the bank for me by any means.
I'm sorry if I accused you of something you didn't say. I thought self licking ice cream cone was a bit condescending so I got a bit defensive.
I actually envisioned the said ‘self licking ice cream cone’ and I got a good chuckle out of it. I miss ice cream so much!
There sure seem to be a lot of different opinions on this. Luckily, all of our opinions are valid as there’s not been sufficient research done (IMO). While it has not helped me (and I’m actually still in pain from my chiropractic visit 5 days later), it is possible for it to help others. It could be placebo, or that it loosens up muscles and relieves tension (I bet acupuncture/needling would have much a similar effect).
I’m just surprised that there’s been so little research on something so prevalent {Shrug}1 -
sportychic87 wrote: »I see one fairly regularly. But I also have back problems that benefit from regular adjustments. I had 4 herniated disks by 19. Have had surgery on 2 of them. And to keep the rest of my back in line I have to go.
I do notice when I don’t go for an extended period of time that my first adjustment back does make me quite sore the following day. Which doesn’t happen to everyone.
I wouldn’t be able to function on a daily basis without a chiropractor so while I know and understand there are other risks FOR ME the pros of being able to feel my hands and stand up definitely outweigh risks of stroke. I’ll already never have full functionality in one of my legs because of nerve damage from before I had my surgery almost 10 years ago.
That being said. There are some crazy flipping chiropractors out there and some of them are full of woo. You have to use a modicum of common sense and also know what you’re looking for.
My sympathies for your back problems.
It could be that your back "feels better" only because it's stopped hurting after the chiropractor made it hurt.
Chiropractic is a "self-licking icecream cone".
Or it could be that not having my vertebrae misaligned influences pressure put on my herniated disks and nerves making it possible for proper nerve functioning and blood flow to my extremities.
Like I said I have herniated disks that resulted in nerve damage that’s going to be permenant.
Like I stated previously. I am physically not capable of functioning when I don’t go to get adjusted regularly, like can’t walk because I’m in so much pain. Can’t do my job functions because my hands are tingling and numb so I can’t type.
It’s not for everyone and I get that. But trying to say that what clearly works for me. Doesn’t work just because it doesn’t work for you is ridiculous. You don’t live your life in my body nor I in yours. It works for me, gives me a better quality of life. since I’m 28 and enjoy getting out of bed....
Like I said, you have my sympathy. You obviously find it very frustrating since you're accusing me of things I didn't say. Your pain shows through your words.
Have you tried seeing a physiotherapist to get exercises you can do yourself to flex the spine the same way?
I'd hate for you to suffer financially as well with never-ending chiro bills when you possibly might not have to.
I have tried physical therapy, I have done quite literally anything possible and chiropractic is what works for me.
My chiro isn't the crazy type having me go 3 times a week for no good reason. I go once, maybe twice a month, if necessary. $20 a month is not breaking the bank for me by any means.
I'm sorry if I accused you of something you didn't say. I thought self licking ice cream cone was a bit condescending so I got a bit defensive.
I actually envisioned the said ‘self licking ice cream cone’ and I got a good chuckle out of it. I miss ice cream so much!
There sure seem to be a lot of different opinions on this. Luckily, all of our opinions are valid as there’s not been sufficient research done (IMO). While it has not helped me (and I’m actually still in pain from my chiropractic visit 5 days later), it is possible for it to help others. It could be placebo, or that it loosens up muscles and relieves tension (I bet needling would have much a similar effect).
I’m just surprised that there’s been so little research on something so prevalent {Shrug}
I would imagine that has to do with the history of chiro and the woo it was based on.
Honestly it seems to a point placebo can work, but only to a certain point. No amount of placebo is going to do things like cure asthma or any of the other way out there claims that many chiros make. It seems like the good ones are the ones who usually branch out and take additional education that puts them on par with physios and such. The ones who continue to practice woo really should be put out of business though.0 -
If your chiropractor sticks to chiropractic work, physiotherapy, and sports therapy ... I'm all for it.
If your chiro ventures into providing nutritional advice, or suggesting essential oils, or any of that stuff ... nope.5
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