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johnslater461 wrote: »I have a chiro. It took me a LONG time to find a good one. I've been to more than 8 different ones across a number of states and only like and go to 2.
The first one is a sport chiro. He does dry needling and is ROUGH. There is no machinery used at all with him, just him and his guys getting into ALL your spots. He does triathlons so understands a lot of different injury types. He bough his practice from a BIG dude that used to work there. The big dude didn't say more than 10 words to me over the 5 years I went to him but he was a miracle worker. This practice is over an hour's drive from me but I don't have to see them often. They're VERY effective. Their motto is to keep you going, not coming back***
There is a passable chiro about 35 minutes from me. This practice is family owned, Chinese/holistic. They do acupuncture and massage after adjustments but it's a mostly one and done thing. I don't get super lasting relief from them but they address symptoms very well. It's all very hands on too. The acupuncture here is cool because they hook you up to estim machines through the needles. They also do cupping so I always walk out looking like an Olympic athlete.
Everyone else I've seen has been a quack.
If they have to take X-rays, won't help you the day of your first appointment, and have an extended "treatment" plan meant to keep me coming back***, they're not the right fit for me.
I refuse to sit on heating pads or lay on a rolling table. If I have to pay extra for someone to show me how to stretch, you're not looking out for my best interests.
It is WORTH IT to find the right fit for you.
Anyone who performs dry needing, acupuncture, cupping, or any other such nonsense is a quack.
We do acupuncture and and dry needling here at the Spine Institute and Therapy Fitness Center. Our Physical Therapists do dry needling and our Pain management doctor does acupuncture. Our spinal surgeons even seem to think it's a great option and recommend it along with other therapies before things more serious like surgery, but hey what do they know right.9 -
Grimmerick wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »I have a chiro. It took me a LONG time to find a good one. I've been to more than 8 different ones across a number of states and only like and go to 2.
The first one is a sport chiro. He does dry needling and is ROUGH. There is no machinery used at all with him, just him and his guys getting into ALL your spots. He does triathlons so understands a lot of different injury types. He bough his practice from a BIG dude that used to work there. The big dude didn't say more than 10 words to me over the 5 years I went to him but he was a miracle worker. This practice is over an hour's drive from me but I don't have to see them often. They're VERY effective. Their motto is to keep you going, not coming back***
There is a passable chiro about 35 minutes from me. This practice is family owned, Chinese/holistic. They do acupuncture and massage after adjustments but it's a mostly one and done thing. I don't get super lasting relief from them but they address symptoms very well. It's all very hands on too. The acupuncture here is cool because they hook you up to estim machines through the needles. They also do cupping so I always walk out looking like an Olympic athlete.
Everyone else I've seen has been a quack.
If they have to take X-rays, won't help you the day of your first appointment, and have an extended "treatment" plan meant to keep me coming back***, they're not the right fit for me.
I refuse to sit on heating pads or lay on a rolling table. If I have to pay extra for someone to show me how to stretch, you're not looking out for my best interests.
It is WORTH IT to find the right fit for you.
Anyone who performs dry needing, acupuncture, cupping, or any other such nonsense is a quack.
We do acupuncture and and dry needling here at the Spine Institute and Therapy Fitness Center. Our Physical Therapists do dry needling and our Pain management doctor does acupuncture. Our spinal surgeons even seem to think it's a great option and recommend it before things more serious like surgery, but hey what do they know right.
Since neither has a whit of scientific support, the fact that they offer these procedures shows that they know a great deal about fleecing patients and their insurance companies.
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johnslater461 wrote: »Grimmerick wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »I have a chiro. It took me a LONG time to find a good one. I've been to more than 8 different ones across a number of states and only like and go to 2.
The first one is a sport chiro. He does dry needling and is ROUGH. There is no machinery used at all with him, just him and his guys getting into ALL your spots. He does triathlons so understands a lot of different injury types. He bough his practice from a BIG dude that used to work there. The big dude didn't say more than 10 words to me over the 5 years I went to him but he was a miracle worker. This practice is over an hour's drive from me but I don't have to see them often. They're VERY effective. Their motto is to keep you going, not coming back***
There is a passable chiro about 35 minutes from me. This practice is family owned, Chinese/holistic. They do acupuncture and massage after adjustments but it's a mostly one and done thing. I don't get super lasting relief from them but they address symptoms very well. It's all very hands on too. The acupuncture here is cool because they hook you up to estim machines through the needles. They also do cupping so I always walk out looking like an Olympic athlete.
Everyone else I've seen has been a quack.
If they have to take X-rays, won't help you the day of your first appointment, and have an extended "treatment" plan meant to keep me coming back***, they're not the right fit for me.
I refuse to sit on heating pads or lay on a rolling table. If I have to pay extra for someone to show me how to stretch, you're not looking out for my best interests.
It is WORTH IT to find the right fit for you.
Anyone who performs dry needing, acupuncture, cupping, or any other such nonsense is a quack.
We do acupuncture and and dry needling here at the Spine Institute and Therapy Fitness Center. Our Physical Therapists do dry needling and our Pain management doctor does acupuncture. Our spinal surgeons even seem to think it's a great option and recommend it before things more serious like surgery, but hey what do they know right.
Since neither has a whit of scientific support, the fact that they offer these procedures shows that they know a great deal about fleecing patients and their insurance companies.
Nothing more
Ha, Well then we have a lot of liars for patients and that includes professional athletes. We also have our own research foundation. But if all of that is not enough I have had dry needling done myself and it worked like a charm. So I won't be taking your word for anything. I see the results with my own eyes everyday. I am not saying it works for everyone but NOTHING works the same for everyone be it medication, surgery, PT etc. Do you work in the field or just read things online?(that's a serious question btw) From what I have read most state that more thorough studies need to be done and they are undecided without quality studies. Example for you
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28167189
Studies aren't the end all be all and a lot of times depend on quality and setup(don't sit there and tell me there isn't poorly designed studies or studies that lean a certain way depending on funding) But you have made your decision before they have even gathered enough information to make an actual long term assessment.6 -
Grimmerick wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »Grimmerick wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »I have a chiro. It took me a LONG time to find a good one. I've been to more than 8 different ones across a number of states and only like and go to 2.
The first one is a sport chiro. He does dry needling and is ROUGH. There is no machinery used at all with him, just him and his guys getting into ALL your spots. He does triathlons so understands a lot of different injury types. He bough his practice from a BIG dude that used to work there. The big dude didn't say more than 10 words to me over the 5 years I went to him but he was a miracle worker. This practice is over an hour's drive from me but I don't have to see them often. They're VERY effective. Their motto is to keep you going, not coming back***
There is a passable chiro about 35 minutes from me. This practice is family owned, Chinese/holistic. They do acupuncture and massage after adjustments but it's a mostly one and done thing. I don't get super lasting relief from them but they address symptoms very well. It's all very hands on too. The acupuncture here is cool because they hook you up to estim machines through the needles. They also do cupping so I always walk out looking like an Olympic athlete.
Everyone else I've seen has been a quack.
If they have to take X-rays, won't help you the day of your first appointment, and have an extended "treatment" plan meant to keep me coming back***, they're not the right fit for me.
I refuse to sit on heating pads or lay on a rolling table. If I have to pay extra for someone to show me how to stretch, you're not looking out for my best interests.
It is WORTH IT to find the right fit for you.
Anyone who performs dry needing, acupuncture, cupping, or any other such nonsense is a quack.
We do acupuncture and and dry needling here at the Spine Institute and Therapy Fitness Center. Our Physical Therapists do dry needling and our Pain management doctor does acupuncture. Our spinal surgeons even seem to think it's a great option and recommend it before things more serious like surgery, but hey what do they know right.
Since neither has a whit of scientific support, the fact that they offer these procedures shows that they know a great deal about fleecing patients and their insurance companies.
Nothing more
Ha, Well then we have a lot of liars for patients and that includes professional athletes. We also have our own research foundation. But if all of that is not enough I have had dry needling done myself and it worked like a charm. So I won't be taking your word for anything. I see the results with my own eyes everyday. I am not saying it works for everyone but NOTHING works the same for everyone be it medication, surgery, PT etc. Do you work in the field or just read things online?(that's a serious question btw) From what I have read most state that more thorough studies need to be done and they are undecided without quality studies. Example for you
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28167189
Studies aren't the end all be all and a lot of times depend on quality and setup(don't sit there and tell me there isn't poorly designed studies or studies that lean a certain way depending on funding) But you have made your decision before they have even gathered enough information to make an actual long term assessment.
So a study with no control group and no placebo control. Worthless.
Acupuncture and dry needing is placebo, nothing more
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/an-acupuncture-meta-analysis/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26946612
"DN was less effective on decreasing pain comparing to the placebo group. Other treatments were more effective than DN on reducing pain after 3–4 weeks."7 -
johnslater461 wrote: »Grimmerick wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »Grimmerick wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »I have a chiro. It took me a LONG time to find a good one. I've been to more than 8 different ones across a number of states and only like and go to 2.
The first one is a sport chiro. He does dry needling and is ROUGH. There is no machinery used at all with him, just him and his guys getting into ALL your spots. He does triathlons so understands a lot of different injury types. He bough his practice from a BIG dude that used to work there. The big dude didn't say more than 10 words to me over the 5 years I went to him but he was a miracle worker. This practice is over an hour's drive from me but I don't have to see them often. They're VERY effective. Their motto is to keep you going, not coming back***
There is a passable chiro about 35 minutes from me. This practice is family owned, Chinese/holistic. They do acupuncture and massage after adjustments but it's a mostly one and done thing. I don't get super lasting relief from them but they address symptoms very well. It's all very hands on too. The acupuncture here is cool because they hook you up to estim machines through the needles. They also do cupping so I always walk out looking like an Olympic athlete.
Everyone else I've seen has been a quack.
If they have to take X-rays, won't help you the day of your first appointment, and have an extended "treatment" plan meant to keep me coming back***, they're not the right fit for me.
I refuse to sit on heating pads or lay on a rolling table. If I have to pay extra for someone to show me how to stretch, you're not looking out for my best interests.
It is WORTH IT to find the right fit for you.
Anyone who performs dry needing, acupuncture, cupping, or any other such nonsense is a quack.
We do acupuncture and and dry needling here at the Spine Institute and Therapy Fitness Center. Our Physical Therapists do dry needling and our Pain management doctor does acupuncture. Our spinal surgeons even seem to think it's a great option and recommend it before things more serious like surgery, but hey what do they know right.
Since neither has a whit of scientific support, the fact that they offer these procedures shows that they know a great deal about fleecing patients and their insurance companies.
Nothing more
Ha, Well then we have a lot of liars for patients and that includes professional athletes. We also have our own research foundation. But if all of that is not enough I have had dry needling done myself and it worked like a charm. So I won't be taking your word for anything. I see the results with my own eyes everyday. I am not saying it works for everyone but NOTHING works the same for everyone be it medication, surgery, PT etc. Do you work in the field or just read things online?(that's a serious question btw) From what I have read most state that more thorough studies need to be done and they are undecided without quality studies. Example for you
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28167189
Studies aren't the end all be all and a lot of times depend on quality and setup(don't sit there and tell me there isn't poorly designed studies or studies that lean a certain way depending on funding) But you have made your decision before they have even gathered enough information to make an actual long term assessment.
So a study with no control group and no placebo control. Worthless.
Acupuncture and dry needing is placebo, nothing more
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/an-acupuncture-meta-analysis/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26946612
"DN was less effective on decreasing pain comparing to the placebo group. Other treatments were more effective than DN on reducing pain after 3–4 weeks."
What I am saying is don't discount it off of a couple of studies, especially since other studies are being done that show promise, they are continuing to study it for a reason. You are reading studies, I have been talking to real life people every day for years, a field I work in and it's done here everyday on top of that. I work for legitimate very sought after spinal surgeons, I don't take their personal knowledge and experience lightly. If I convince even one person and it works for them then I have done more for people than you have done just throwing it away on a few studies. This is to everyone else out there and you as well I suppose. Spinal degeneration( I work spine mainly so that is my focus) and chronic pain can ruin your life!! If you go to a legitimate doctor/surgeon take their advice not someone online, if you want the warm and cozy then get a second opinion, nothing wrong with that and I even recommend it.
Last time you said "Nothing more", well I say Nothing Less.
and just one last thought to leave you with on the placebo effect. Do you honestly think that a person with chronic pain everyday of their life really gives a tinkers damn what gets them out of pain and back to a semi normal to normal life? Especially if it isn't an opioid (cause lord knows those are hard to come by these days).7 -
sportychic87 wrote: »Curious to know what other people think on this. I’m generally a *major* skeptic on anything alternative but found myself yesterday at a first adjustment. Woke up sore and in pain and questioning the legitimacy of any ‘medicine’ that creates more pain-no intention of ever doing that again! I’ve heard great things from some people, wonderful tales about how they were all fixed up and so on and so on and lived happily ever after...
Research on the great web demonstrates how prevalent chiropractic medicine is. I’m curious to know your thoughts or experiences (negative or positive).
Hmm, I've never been sore afterwards. I had good luck with chiropractors after car accidents and so-so luck for chronic lower back pain, which finally went away after decades, not sure why, unless it was a second chakra issue that finally resolved
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johnslater461 wrote: »I have a chiro. It took me a LONG time to find a good one. I've been to more than 8 different ones across a number of states and only like and go to 2.
The first one is a sport chiro. He does dry needling and is ROUGH. There is no machinery used at all with him, just him and his guys getting into ALL your spots. He does triathlons so understands a lot of different injury types. He bough his practice from a BIG dude that used to work there. The big dude didn't say more than 10 words to me over the 5 years I went to him but he was a miracle worker. This practice is over an hour's drive from me but I don't have to see them often. They're VERY effective. Their motto is to keep you going, not coming back***
There is a passable chiro about 35 minutes from me. This practice is family owned, Chinese/holistic. They do acupuncture and massage after adjustments but it's a mostly one and done thing. I don't get super lasting relief from them but they address symptoms very well. It's all very hands on too. The acupuncture here is cool because they hook you up to estim machines through the needles. They also do cupping so I always walk out looking like an Olympic athlete.
Everyone else I've seen has been a quack.
If they have to take X-rays, won't help you the day of your first appointment, and have an extended "treatment" plan meant to keep me coming back***, they're not the right fit for me.
I refuse to sit on heating pads or lay on a rolling table. If I have to pay extra for someone to show me how to stretch, you're not looking out for my best interests.
It is WORTH IT to find the right fit for you.
Anyone who performs dry needing, acupuncture, cupping, or any other such nonsense is a quack.
Oh, I had much better results with acupuncture for carpal tunnel than my coworkers who had surgery.6 -
I see one fairly regularly. But I also have back problems that benefit from regular adjustments. I had 4 herniated disks by 19. Have had surgery on 2 of them. And to keep the rest of my back in line I have to go.
I do notice when I don’t go for an extended period of time that my first adjustment back does make me quite sore the following day. Which doesn’t happen to everyone.
I wouldn’t be able to function on a daily basis without a chiropractor so while I know and understand there are other risks FOR ME the pros of being able to feel my hands and stand up definitely outweigh risks of stroke. I’ll already never have full functionality in one of my legs because of nerve damage from before I had my surgery almost 10 years ago.
That being said. There are some crazy flipping chiropractors out there and some of them are full of woo. You have to use a modicum of common sense and also know what you’re looking for.
My sympathies for your back problems.
It could be that your back "feels better" only because it's stopped hurting after the chiropractor made it hurt.
Chiropractic is a "self-licking icecream cone".
Or it could be that not having my vertebrae misaligned influences pressure put on my herniated disks and nerves making it possible for proper nerve functioning and blood flow to my extremities.
Like I said I have herniated disks that resulted in nerve damage that’s going to be permenant.
Like I stated previously. I am physically not capable of functioning when I don’t go to get adjusted regularly, like can’t walk because I’m in so much pain. Can’t do my job functions because my hands are tingling and numb so I can’t type.
It’s not for everyone and I get that. But trying to say that what clearly works for me. Doesn’t work just because it doesn’t work for you is ridiculous. You don’t live your life in my body nor I in yours. It works for me, gives me a better quality of life. since I’m 28 and enjoy getting out of bed....
Like I said, you have my sympathy. You obviously find it very frustrating since you're accusing me of things I didn't say. Your pain shows through your words.
Have you tried seeing a physiotherapist to get exercises you can do yourself to flex the spine the same way?
I'd hate for you to suffer financially as well with never-ending chiro bills when you possibly might not have to.
I have tried physical therapy, I have done quite literally anything possible and chiropractic is what works for me.
My chiro isn't the crazy type having me go 3 times a week for no good reason. I go once, maybe twice a month, if necessary. $20 a month is not breaking the bank for me by any means.
I'm sorry if I accused you of something you didn't say. I thought self licking ice cream cone was a bit condescending so I got a bit defensive.
I actually envisioned the said ‘self licking ice cream cone’ and I got a good chuckle out of it. I miss ice cream so much!
There sure seem to be a lot of different opinions on this. Luckily, all of our opinions are valid as there’s not been sufficient research done (IMO). While it has not helped me (and I’m actually still in pain from my chiropractic visit 5 days later), it is possible for it to help others. It could be placebo, or that it loosens up muscles and relieves tension (I bet acupuncture/needling would have much a similar effect).
I’m just surprised that there’s been so little research on something so prevalent {Shrug}1 -
sportychic87 wrote: »I see one fairly regularly. But I also have back problems that benefit from regular adjustments. I had 4 herniated disks by 19. Have had surgery on 2 of them. And to keep the rest of my back in line I have to go.
I do notice when I don’t go for an extended period of time that my first adjustment back does make me quite sore the following day. Which doesn’t happen to everyone.
I wouldn’t be able to function on a daily basis without a chiropractor so while I know and understand there are other risks FOR ME the pros of being able to feel my hands and stand up definitely outweigh risks of stroke. I’ll already never have full functionality in one of my legs because of nerve damage from before I had my surgery almost 10 years ago.
That being said. There are some crazy flipping chiropractors out there and some of them are full of woo. You have to use a modicum of common sense and also know what you’re looking for.
My sympathies for your back problems.
It could be that your back "feels better" only because it's stopped hurting after the chiropractor made it hurt.
Chiropractic is a "self-licking icecream cone".
Or it could be that not having my vertebrae misaligned influences pressure put on my herniated disks and nerves making it possible for proper nerve functioning and blood flow to my extremities.
Like I said I have herniated disks that resulted in nerve damage that’s going to be permenant.
Like I stated previously. I am physically not capable of functioning when I don’t go to get adjusted regularly, like can’t walk because I’m in so much pain. Can’t do my job functions because my hands are tingling and numb so I can’t type.
It’s not for everyone and I get that. But trying to say that what clearly works for me. Doesn’t work just because it doesn’t work for you is ridiculous. You don’t live your life in my body nor I in yours. It works for me, gives me a better quality of life. since I’m 28 and enjoy getting out of bed....
Like I said, you have my sympathy. You obviously find it very frustrating since you're accusing me of things I didn't say. Your pain shows through your words.
Have you tried seeing a physiotherapist to get exercises you can do yourself to flex the spine the same way?
I'd hate for you to suffer financially as well with never-ending chiro bills when you possibly might not have to.
I have tried physical therapy, I have done quite literally anything possible and chiropractic is what works for me.
My chiro isn't the crazy type having me go 3 times a week for no good reason. I go once, maybe twice a month, if necessary. $20 a month is not breaking the bank for me by any means.
I'm sorry if I accused you of something you didn't say. I thought self licking ice cream cone was a bit condescending so I got a bit defensive.
I actually envisioned the said ‘self licking ice cream cone’ and I got a good chuckle out of it. I miss ice cream so much!
There sure seem to be a lot of different opinions on this. Luckily, all of our opinions are valid as there’s not been sufficient research done (IMO). While it has not helped me (and I’m actually still in pain from my chiropractic visit 5 days later), it is possible for it to help others. It could be placebo, or that it loosens up muscles and relieves tension (I bet needling would have much a similar effect).
I’m just surprised that there’s been so little research on something so prevalent {Shrug}
I would imagine that has to do with the history of chiro and the woo it was based on.
Honestly it seems to a point placebo can work, but only to a certain point. No amount of placebo is going to do things like cure asthma or any of the other way out there claims that many chiros make. It seems like the good ones are the ones who usually branch out and take additional education that puts them on par with physios and such. The ones who continue to practice woo really should be put out of business though.0 -
If your chiropractor sticks to chiropractic work, physiotherapy, and sports therapy ... I'm all for it.
If your chiro ventures into providing nutritional advice, or suggesting essential oils, or any of that stuff ... nope.5 -
I had a chiro tell me once that he was able to cure cancer through spinal adjustments, and that my spine was so far gone I likely wouldn't be able to walk or turn my head at all on a few years, and that it would be too late to help me at that stage. He recommended I commence immediate twice weekly sessions at the price of $250 per session, or could sign up for a bargain package deal at $1200 per month. I didn't go back. Total quack.
That was 4 years ago by the way, and I still seem to be able to turn my head and can walk with ease!6 -
sportychic87 wrote: »I see one fairly regularly. But I also have back problems that benefit from regular adjustments. I had 4 herniated disks by 19. Have had surgery on 2 of them. And to keep the rest of my back in line I have to go.
I do notice when I don’t go for an extended period of time that my first adjustment back does make me quite sore the following day. Which doesn’t happen to everyone.
I wouldn’t be able to function on a daily basis without a chiropractor so while I know and understand there are other risks FOR ME the pros of being able to feel my hands and stand up definitely outweigh risks of stroke. I’ll already never have full functionality in one of my legs because of nerve damage from before I had my surgery almost 10 years ago.
That being said. There are some crazy flipping chiropractors out there and some of them are full of woo. You have to use a modicum of common sense and also know what you’re looking for.
My sympathies for your back problems.
It could be that your back "feels better" only because it's stopped hurting after the chiropractor made it hurt.
Chiropractic is a "self-licking icecream cone".
Or it could be that not having my vertebrae misaligned influences pressure put on my herniated disks and nerves making it possible for proper nerve functioning and blood flow to my extremities.
Like I said I have herniated disks that resulted in nerve damage that’s going to be permenant.
Like I stated previously. I am physically not capable of functioning when I don’t go to get adjusted regularly, like can’t walk because I’m in so much pain. Can’t do my job functions because my hands are tingling and numb so I can’t type.
It’s not for everyone and I get that. But trying to say that what clearly works for me. Doesn’t work just because it doesn’t work for you is ridiculous. You don’t live your life in my body nor I in yours. It works for me, gives me a better quality of life. since I’m 28 and enjoy getting out of bed....
Like I said, you have my sympathy. You obviously find it very frustrating since you're accusing me of things I didn't say. Your pain shows through your words.
Have you tried seeing a physiotherapist to get exercises you can do yourself to flex the spine the same way?
I'd hate for you to suffer financially as well with never-ending chiro bills when you possibly might not have to.
I have tried physical therapy, I have done quite literally anything possible and chiropractic is what works for me.
My chiro isn't the crazy type having me go 3 times a week for no good reason. I go once, maybe twice a month, if necessary. $20 a month is not breaking the bank for me by any means.
I'm sorry if I accused you of something you didn't say. I thought self licking ice cream cone was a bit condescending so I got a bit defensive.
I actually envisioned the said ‘self licking ice cream cone’ and I got a good chuckle out of it. I miss ice cream so much!
There sure seem to be a lot of different opinions on this. Luckily, all of our opinions are valid as there’s not been sufficient research done (IMO). While it has not helped me (and I’m actually still in pain from my chiropractic visit 5 days later), it is possible for it to help others. It could be placebo, or that it loosens up muscles and relieves tension (I bet acupuncture/needling would have much a similar effect).
I’m just surprised that there’s been so little research on something so prevalent {Shrug}
There has been a ton of research. And it has never been shown to be effective for anything but lower back pain
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lemongirlbc wrote: »I had a chiro tell me once that he was able to cure cancer through spinal adjustments, and that my spine was so far gone I likely wouldn't be able to walk or turn my head at all on a few years, and that it would be too late to help me at that stage. He recommended I commence immediate twice weekly sessions at the price of $250 per session, or could sign up for a bargain package deal at $1200 per month. I didn't go back. Total quack.
That was 4 years ago by the way, and I still seem to be able to turn my head and can walk with ease!
Mine predicted devastating foot pain unless I bought his special insoles. At the same time, he separated my chest muscles by pushing so hard on my spine, then told me I was getting better when I complained about the pain immediately and during the next 3 sessions. When the tissues beneath started protruding through the tear, I went to my GP who sent me to a surgeon for a titanium patch.
My initial complaint was a pain in one shoulder, which resolved itself when I finally switched from a mouse to a track pad. A PT would have known to ask me that.
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Thank you for this thread, OP, though it hasn't helped me one bit, lol.
Decades ago, I went to a chiro for a pinched nerve, had a pleasant, soothing experience that solved the problem, and went about my life.
The last few years, I've been having increasing pain & problems with my back and I went to a chiro last week that was recommended by a friend and who had been voted "best chiro" in our area several years. It was painful, scary, and unnerving for me. I left in tears, but unsure if the issue was the treatment or just me & my perception. The chiro had warned me it would be rough, supposedly because my nerves would have heightened sensitivity from the chronic pain, but also implied I was being a baby (I've had 2 natural childbirths- I don't really consider myself a baby). I haven't been able to decide if I should give it another chance, or pursue a lengthy, expensive medical diagnosis/treatment. Making the choice even more difficult, I suspect a large part of the problem is the extra weight I'm still carrying, but the pain is making it harder to be active and making me depressed & seeking comfort in food. *sigh*
So I did a search here for other peoples' experiences with chiropractic care & found this thread... and now I really don't have a clue what to think
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it was started by a magnetic healer in the 1800s. It only seems to work because they often also do massages and other forms of physical therapy1
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Thank you for this thread, OP, though it hasn't helped me one bit, lol.
Decades ago, I went to a chiro for a pinched nerve, had a pleasant, soothing experience that solved the problem, and went about my life.
The last few years, I've been having increasing pain & problems with my back and I went to a chiro last week that was recommended by a friend and who had been voted "best chiro" in our area several years. It was painful, scary, and unnerving for me. I left in tears, but unsure if the issue was the treatment or just me & my perception. The chiro had warned me it would be rough, supposedly because my nerves would have heightened sensitivity from the chronic pain, but also implied I was being a baby (I've had 2 natural childbirths- I don't really consider myself a baby). I haven't been able to decide if I should give it another chance, or pursue a lengthy, expensive medical diagnosis/treatment. Making the choice even more difficult, I suspect a large part of the problem is the extra weight I'm still carrying, but the pain is making it harder to be active and making me depressed & seeking comfort in food. *sigh*
So I did a search here for other peoples' experiences with chiropractic care & found this thread... and now I really don't have a clue what to think
It's true about chronic pain. I've had pain management doctors and nurses tell me that having chronic pain changes our nerves after a while which makes even minor pain feel more painful basically everything hurts more. I can't explain it very well but that has been my experience. I just assumed that my ain tolerance was going down but no everything is more painful0 -
I used to think chiropractic care was unneeded BS, but when I was pregnant with my 3rd child, at about 20 weeks, I started to get vertigo attacks, the farther into the pregnancy the more often they came and the worse they got. I gained 5lbs that pregnancy because I spent the last half throwing up. When he was born, I had a intrathical and they did it wrong, the thing didnt work and I was leaking spinal fluid, 1 week later I had a horrible vertigo attack that landed me in the hospital 2 days in a row (and i never go to the doctors, like ever), and I had to stay at my moms for a week because I couldnt take care of my kids. Then they came like clockwork every 18 months and every one landed me in the hospital due to uncontrollable vomiting and dehydration. I seen a number of specialists and had about $6000 in doctor bills from all the tests they did and no one could ever find out what was causing it. It wasnt inner ear, wasnt neurological, everyone was stumped. Then 5 years after my 3rd child I got pregnant with my last, at 20 weeks they started coming again, and I decided maybe the pressure of baby on my spine, maybe something was pinched. So I asked my doctor if I should see a chiropractor, and she said it was worth a shot, so I did. After that I had only 1 attack the whole rest of the pregnancy (vs the 1 every week to every other week I was having) and that baby is 3 1/2 now and I have not had an attack since.
Now I havent gone to one in 3 years, but if my vertigo ever comes back, that will be the first place I go.1 -
Ok this is a better explanation central sensitization @try2again https://www.painscience.com/articles/central-sensitization.php1
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singingflutelady wrote: »Thank you for this thread, OP, though it hasn't helped me one bit, lol.
Decades ago, I went to a chiro for a pinched nerve, had a pleasant, soothing experience that solved the problem, and went about my life.
The last few years, I've been having increasing pain & problems with my back and I went to a chiro last week that was recommended by a friend and who had been voted "best chiro" in our area several years. It was painful, scary, and unnerving for me. I left in tears, but unsure if the issue was the treatment or just me & my perception. The chiro had warned me it would be rough, supposedly because my nerves would have heightened sensitivity from the chronic pain, but also implied I was being a baby (I've had 2 natural childbirths- I don't really consider myself a baby). I haven't been able to decide if I should give it another chance, or pursue a lengthy, expensive medical diagnosis/treatment. Making the choice even more difficult, I suspect a large part of the problem is the extra weight I'm still carrying, but the pain is making it harder to be active and making me depressed & seeking comfort in food. *sigh*
So I did a search here for other peoples' experiences with chiropractic care & found this thread... and now I really don't have a clue what to think
It's true about chronic pain. I've had pain management doctors and nurses tell me that having chronic pain changes our nerves after a while which makes even minor pain feel more painful basically everything hurts more. I can't explain it very well but that has been my experience. I just assumed that my ain tolerance was going down but no everything is more painful
This is almost word for word what he told me. He illustrated it by saying if you walked around for a long time with a tack in your shoe, and every time you took a step it poked you, even when the tack is removed, your brain would likely still interpret the pressure of a step as painful. That makes sense to me, but didn't make the experience more tolerable
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singingflutelady wrote: »Ok this is a better explanation central sensitization @try2again https://www.painscience.com/articles/central-sensitization.php
Thank you- that was interesting.
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