Artificial Sweetners-Gum and Diet Pop
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Just to be clearer, Stevia has not been cleared to be marketed as an artificial sweetener as it has not passed as many of the stringent tests that the other sweeteners have undergone. So it is marketed as a supplement. Yes, the active ingredient is extracted from a plant. Just as aspirin was discovered in willow bark.Aaron_K123 wrote: »Stevia you find on the shelf is an aglycosolated product of the steviol natural extract. If aspartame is artificial, so is stevia.
Aspartame is a natural dipeptide that has been methylated. Stevia is a natural sugar alcohol stevioside that has been aglycosolated. Why is one artificial and one natural other than the way in which they are marketed?
Got it! When I looked it up on the Mayo site it classified it as something not artificial and not natural ("novel" sweetener), and you're right it's marketed as "natural".
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janejellyroll wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »
Nooo I don’t lol, I try and stick to a whole foods diet mainly. Is the Doyle t diet an actual thing lol?
Soylent is a liquid diet meant to include 100% of everything our bodies need. I'm surprised you're a proponent of things your body doesn't need when it comes to food but not when it comes to drinks.
Sounds nice but our stomachs are built to break things down into liquid so it would suck to be drinking just liquid all the time and take that function away from our body’s
still a good idea though.
Someone built your stomach?
Yep
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janejellyroll wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »
Nooo I don’t lol, I try and stick to a whole foods diet mainly. Is the Doyle t diet an actual thing lol?
Soylent is a liquid diet meant to include 100% of everything our bodies need. I'm surprised you're a proponent of things your body doesn't need when it comes to food but not when it comes to drinks.
Sounds nice but our stomachs are built to break things down into liquid so it would suck to be drinking just liquid all the time and take that function away from our body’s still a good idea though.
Someone built your stomach?
Yep
Well, the rest of us were not constructed in that manner so your advice wouldn't be relevant for us.
We don't have to worry about what we were "built" to do, we don't have to limit our behaviors in an attempt to conform with what we imagine the intentions our builder had for each particular part of our body (or maybe the person who built your stomach also left you a set of detailed instructions, I'm not sure what the situation is exactly).12 -
Just to be clearer, Stevia has not been cleared to be marketed as an artificial sweetener as it has not passed as many of the stringent tests that the other sweeteners have undergone. So it is marketed as a supplement. Yes, the active ingredient is extracted from a plant. Just as aspirin was discovered in willow bark.Aaron_K123 wrote: »Stevia you find on the shelf is an aglycosolated product of the steviol natural extract. If aspartame is artificial, so is stevia.
Aspartame is a natural dipeptide that has been methylated. Stevia is a natural sugar alcohol stevioside that has been aglycosolated. Why is one artificial and one natural other than the way in which they are marketed?
Got it! When I looked it up on the Mayo site it classified it as something not artificial and not natural ("novel" sweetener), and you're right it's marketed as "natural".
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This is what happens when we demand regulatory agencies apply labels that don't actually have any objective definable basis such as "artificial" and "natural". These are really subjective terms that different people use in completely different ways, it is not surprising that it is confusing. These are marketing terms, not regulatable things.
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Water is the only drink our body NEEDS, everything else is just preference the sooner you tune into that the better. Sweeteners.. sugars.. it’s all refined rubbish in my opinion.. water FTW!
You do realize that most drinks are somewhere around 99% water, right? Soda, tea, coffee, etc. Even milk (which has lots of vital nutrients in it) is somewhere around 90% water.
Yeah but water is 100% water.. in most cases. So that sounds better to me
Only 99.9% according to the USDA (for municipal tap or well water). (The rest is minerals.4 -
Ultima_Morpha wrote: »I've been using a pentose sugar derived from kabocha squash called BochaSweet. It is the best alternative sweetener that I've found. I've had weight loss surgery and have to be very careful about sugar in my diet...and some alternatives also cause gastrointestinal distress.
First I've heard of it! Sounds like something to try.
The problem with an extracted product is that it becomes difficult to answer the question "what's in it?" The answer on the BocaSweet web site is "BochaSweet™ is a proprietary extract from the Japanese kabocha which has a sweet taste." But, whit gives it a sweet taste? It isn't like the company can't find out. And, it's not like every derived plant product is perfectly safe.1 -
Ultima_Morpha wrote: »I've been using a pentose sugar derived from kabocha squash called BochaSweet. It is the best alternative sweetener that I've found. I've had weight loss surgery and have to be very careful about sugar in my diet...and some alternatives also cause gastrointestinal distress.
The BochaSweet cooks beautifully, doesn't elicit an insulin response, and doesn't have the bitterness or cooling effect that many people experience with many stevia products.
It isn't inexpensive but well worth it in my mind to be able to create great tasting treats that I can eat!
Wouldn't a pentose sugar be digestable and therefore yield calories? I mean I think our body is perfectly capable of metabolizing pentose sugars. Perhaps it is a sugar alcohol like xylitol?4 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »
Nooo I don’t lol, I try and stick to a whole foods diet mainly. Is the Doyle t diet an actual thing lol?
Soylent is a liquid diet meant to include 100% of everything our bodies need. I'm surprised you're a proponent of things your body doesn't need when it comes to food but not when it comes to drinks.
Sounds nice but our stomachs are built to break things down into liquid so it would suck to be drinking just liquid all the time and take that function away from our body’s still a good idea though.
Someone built your stomach?
Yep
Well, the rest of us were not constructed in that manner so your advice wouldn't be relevant for us.
We don't have to worry about what we were "built" to do, we don't have to limit our behaviors in an attempt to conform with what we imagine the intentions our builder had for each particular part of our body (or maybe the person who built your stomach also left you a set of detailed instructions, I'm not sure what the situation is exactly).
Your confusing, my main point I’m making is that water is good to drink and probably the most optimal thing for our body’s. Why you gotta go confuse everything and make such a big deal out of it.10 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »Water is the only drink our body NEEDS, everything else is just preference the sooner you tune into that the better. Sweeteners.. sugars.. it’s all refined rubbish in my opinion.. water FTW!
You do realize that most drinks are somewhere around 99% water, right? Soda, tea, coffee, etc. Even milk (which has lots of vital nutrients in it) is somewhere around 90% water.
Yeah but water is 100% water.. in most cases. So that sounds better to me
Only 99.9% according to the USDA (for municipal tap or well water). (The rest is minerals.
Yeahh well as close to 100% as it can be I should said then.7 -
Hi All,
What are your experiences with artificial sweeteners? I do not tolerate stevia well as it drops my blood pressure tremendously and causes frequent and urgent urination. I personally dropped all artificial sweeteners for years due to the bad press but I find that it doesn't affect my weight. I actually find that I'll eat less. Instead of dessert I'll have gum. Sometimes in the afternoon a diet pop will help curve my appetite. What have you all experienced? I have also dug into a lot of the research and it actually reassures me that it has been the most studied substance in the food supply and deemed to be safe (not saccharin).
I developed a horrible sensitivity to all of them. If I even get a little bit I'll feel like I'm being stabbed in the stomach with knives. And then it takes a year of probiotics before I'm halfway normal again. Maybe most of the so called statistics about them are bunk, but I'm definitely one of the exceptions.1 -
Kazane you come on these boards asking basic basic questions but then you want to present the cold hard facts...nah18
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I find Stevia tastes awful. I like Splenda in my coffee and diet sodas (the normal ones with aspartame).4
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The only sweetener I've had issue with is Sorbitol. I... chain-chewed a double pack of sugarless gum once and spent the next hour dealing with the laxative side effect. I'm not sure how much is too much, so these days if it's not a situation where my only option is to have 'just one' (example: some restaurants where you pay at the counter have a complimentary bowl of candies/after-dinner mints available. I'll take one on my way out.), I just avoid them period.1
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I don’t like the taste of most of the artificially sweetened products I’ve tasted (though Jarrah hot choc and Diet Pepsi are ok), so I don’t use much of them. That’s just personal preference though, I have no issues re safety or weight loss.
And as I don’t drink many fizzy drinks (except beer!) or chew gum, it’s not a problem for me.0 -
Water is the only drink our body NEEDS, everything else is just preference the sooner you tune into that the better. Sweeteners.. sugars.. it’s all refined rubbish in my opinion.. water FTW!
You do realize that most drinks are somewhere around 99% water, right? Soda, tea, coffee, etc. Even milk (which has lots of vital nutrients in it) is somewhere around 90% water.
Unfortunately drinks like soda, tea, and coffee have caffeine in them, which dehydrate you...water by itself hydrates you. Also water has 0 calories. Nothing wrong with drinking other beverages (as long as they fit your caloric goals), but you can't beat good old H20. I drink a gallon of water a day.28 -
Most foods and liquids including caffeinated and mildly alcoholic beverages are net hydrators contributing to your daily water balance.
If your pee is relatively clear https://health.clevelandclinic.org/what-the-color-of-your-urine-says-about-you-infographic/ you don't *need* extra water, or coffee, or beer.12 -
cthakkar1985 wrote: »Water is the only drink our body NEEDS, everything else is just preference the sooner you tune into that the better. Sweeteners.. sugars.. it’s all refined rubbish in my opinion.. water FTW!
You do realize that most drinks are somewhere around 99% water, right? Soda, tea, coffee, etc. Even milk (which has lots of vital nutrients in it) is somewhere around 90% water.
Unfortunately drinks like soda, tea, and coffee have caffeine in them, which dehydrate you...water by itself hydrates you. Also water has 0 calories. Nothing wrong with drinking other beverages (as long as they fit your caloric goals), but you can't beat good old H20. I drink a gallon of water a day.
Well...
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janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »
Nooo I don’t lol, I try and stick to a whole foods diet mainly. Is the Doyle t diet an actual thing lol?
Soylent is a liquid diet meant to include 100% of everything our bodies need. I'm surprised you're a proponent of things your body doesn't need when it comes to food but not when it comes to drinks.
Sounds nice but our stomachs are built to break things down into liquid so it would suck to be drinking just liquid all the time and take that function away from our body’s still a good idea though.
Someone built your stomach?
Yep
Well, the rest of us were not constructed in that manner so your advice wouldn't be relevant for us.
We don't have to worry about what we were "built" to do, we don't have to limit our behaviors in an attempt to conform with what we imagine the intentions our builder had for each particular part of our body (or maybe the person who built your stomach also left you a set of detailed instructions, I'm not sure what the situation is exactly).
Your confusing, my main point I’m making is that water is good to drink and probably the most optimal thing for our body’s. Why you gotta go confuse everything and make such a big deal out of it.
I'm sorry that I'm confusing you. Yes, water is good to drink. It doesn't follow that other things are therefore bad to drink, especially when those things are also mostly water.9 -
I am such a radical. I drink diet soda, artificially sweetened tea AND water.
I know. It's crazy.
You know what else? I don't consume any caffeine, so that's a weird argument about drinks that aren't water I don't completely understand.8 -
As I said water is the liquid our body NEEDS, everything else is just preference
This is a ridiculous, reductionist line of reasoning which makes no sense to me from the get-go.
There are many, many things in our lives that we don't NEED - but they make our lives more enjoyable and convenient. I mean, I don't NEED a nice, juicy ribeye steak - I suppose I could go hunt and kill a steer with my bare hands and kneel on the ground next to it to gnaw on the raw meat (because we don't NEED fire to survive either). But nah - I'd rather drive to the grocery store (in a car I don't NEED), buy the ribeye, cook it on my grill (which I don't NEED) and enjoy it with a nice glass of red (which I don't NEED) in the comfort of my home (which I don't NEED). And maybe even share a picture of my dinner on the internet (which I don't NEED) using my computer (which I don't NEED).
Extrapolating that argument into food/nutrition in general, there are a lot of things we eat that we don't NEED. We could survive on a small variety of raw vegetables and a bit of meat to get all the essential macro and micronutrients, but why would one want to intentionally have such a limited, monotonous diet?
If I wanted to live like a monk, I would have joined a monastery. But I somehow don't feel the need for asceticism as virtue signalling.
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stevencloser wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »Water is the only drink our body NEEDS, everything else is just preference the sooner you tune into that the better. Sweeteners.. sugars.. it’s all refined rubbish in my opinion.. water FTW!
You do realize that most drinks are somewhere around 99% water, right? Soda, tea, coffee, etc. Even milk (which has lots of vital nutrients in it) is somewhere around 90% water.
Unfortunately drinks like soda, tea, and coffee have caffeine in them, which dehydrate you...water by itself hydrates you. Also water has 0 calories. Nothing wrong with drinking other beverages (as long as they fit your caloric goals), but you can't beat good old H20. I drink a gallon of water a day.
Well...
The level of fluid retention in sodas and tea will depend on the caffeine content, which is why you'll notice coffee is lower than water. Interesting chart though, thanks for sharing. Either way, as I said, I aim for 1 gallon water per day, which equates to over 10 cans of soda. Don't think there's anything wrong with a few cans of soda, etc. but for me to hit my gallon of water/day, I need to rely mostly on actual water.8 -
cthakkar1985 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »Water is the only drink our body NEEDS, everything else is just preference the sooner you tune into that the better. Sweeteners.. sugars.. it’s all refined rubbish in my opinion.. water FTW!
You do realize that most drinks are somewhere around 99% water, right? Soda, tea, coffee, etc. Even milk (which has lots of vital nutrients in it) is somewhere around 90% water.
Unfortunately drinks like soda, tea, and coffee have caffeine in them, which dehydrate you...water by itself hydrates you. Also water has 0 calories. Nothing wrong with drinking other beverages (as long as they fit your caloric goals), but you can't beat good old H20. I drink a gallon of water a day.
Well...
The level of fluid retention in sodas and tea will depend on the caffeine content, which is why you'll notice coffee is lower than water. Interesting chart though, thanks for sharing. Either way, as I said, I aim for 1 gallon water per day, which equates to over 10 cans of soda. Don't think there's anything wrong with a few cans of soda, etc. but for me to hit my gallon of water/day, I need to rely mostly on actual water.
If it was dependent on caffeine, wouldn't water be higher than cola, diet cola, tea, and cold tea?12 -
As to the OP question, I've found too much aspertame gives me headaches so I try to limit it for that reason.0
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I have a black cherry citrus Fresca pretty much everyday with my lunch and I'm still alive and stuff...
It's also my go to vodka cocktail mixer.1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »Water is the only drink our body NEEDS, everything else is just preference the sooner you tune into that the better. Sweeteners.. sugars.. it’s all refined rubbish in my opinion.. water FTW!
You do realize that most drinks are somewhere around 99% water, right? Soda, tea, coffee, etc. Even milk (which has lots of vital nutrients in it) is somewhere around 90% water.
Unfortunately drinks like soda, tea, and coffee have caffeine in them, which dehydrate you...water by itself hydrates you. Also water has 0 calories. Nothing wrong with drinking other beverages (as long as they fit your caloric goals), but you can't beat good old H20. I drink a gallon of water a day.
Well...
The level of fluid retention in sodas and tea will depend on the caffeine content, which is why you'll notice coffee is lower than water. Interesting chart though, thanks for sharing. Either way, as I said, I aim for 1 gallon water per day, which equates to over 10 cans of soda. Don't think there's anything wrong with a few cans of soda, etc. but for me to hit my gallon of water/day, I need to rely mostly on actual water.
If it was dependent on caffeine, wouldn't water be higher than cola, diet cola, tea, and cold tea?
Not just caffeine, but I think that's one of the driving factors. It depends on how much you drink too. In small doses, caffeine fine, but too much can have a diuretic affect. Coffee typically has more caffeine than tea/soda, so I believe that's why it's lower on the BHI.9 -
stevencloser wrote: »cthakkar1985 wrote: »Water is the only drink our body NEEDS, everything else is just preference the sooner you tune into that the better. Sweeteners.. sugars.. it’s all refined rubbish in my opinion.. water FTW!
You do realize that most drinks are somewhere around 99% water, right? Soda, tea, coffee, etc. Even milk (which has lots of vital nutrients in it) is somewhere around 90% water.
Unfortunately drinks like soda, tea, and coffee have caffeine in them, which dehydrate you...water by itself hydrates you. Also water has 0 calories. Nothing wrong with drinking other beverages (as long as they fit your caloric goals), but you can't beat good old H20. I drink a gallon of water a day.
Well...
Also, I bet this study was done with 1 serving. Try drinking 10 cups of tea with caffeine in them - I'm pretty sure you'll have a diuretic response and end up dehydrated.16 -
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