Do you watch your sodium intake? Am I the only one with VERY horrid sodium levels in my diet?
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tinkerbellang83 wrote: »FlyingMolly wrote: »tinkerbellang83 wrote: »Bear in mind that the sodium logged in a lot of the database entries is actually incorrect, people wrongly assume when entering foods that the salt content on the nutrition label is the total for sodium when in fact only 40% of table salt is sodium.
I’m not sure I understand—are you talking about packaged foods, or people’s recipes? I’ve never seen salt content listed on a nutrition label; only sodium.
In the UK and Ireland you'll often see salt rather than sodium, like below, then people enter the 0.33g into the database entry for sodium :
Yep. Only recently spotted that myself and have started correcting any entries in the database that I eat that have the salt content put in the sodium.0 -
I never look at sodium. If you don't have a diagnosed medical issue then no worries. In fact if you are any manner of endurance athlete salt is critical.
Per MFP I average ~2300 daily, but have highs in the 6k range.
Do I win? I can do better.2 -
I never look at sodium. If you don't have a diagnosed medical issue then no worries. In fact if you are any manner of endurance athlete salt is critical.
Per MFP I average ~2300 daily, but have highs in the 6k range.
Do I win? I can do better.
This is what sucks for me...I have to watch sodium for my hypertension, but if I keep it as low as recommended by the AHA I have all kinds of issues with cramping and whatnot. It's a delicate balance. It's a lot easier in the summer when I just sweat my *kitten* off and can drink pickle juice.1 -
I do watch my sodium intake. I just try to keep it under the MFP suggested levels. It is really not a challenge at all to me unless I dine out more than once in a day, and since that's once a week at most I don't care.1
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I never look at sodium. If you don't have a diagnosed medical issue then no worries. In fact if you are any manner of endurance athlete salt is critical.
Per MFP I average ~2300 daily, but have highs in the 6k range.
Do I win? I can do better.
Maybe I should become an endurance athlete then so it gets put to use!!! Lol0 -
I don't watch my sodium because I've never had a problem with high blood pressure. For a while I was actively restricting it because my husband had issues with tinnitus and we were told that a lower salt diet could help. I was shocked at how much salt is in many seemingly healthy foods. DH didn't notice any difference after restricting sodium, so we gradually went back to normal eating. I don't use a lot of salt when I cook. I do notice when eating out how much saltier restaurant food tastes.1
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Verity1111 wrote: »Because I seriously probably double the recommended intake and I only eat 1200-1500 calories. I rarely am below 3,000 and I have hit 4,500-5,000 a lot. Lol. My blood tests etc are all good. Should I worry about it or chill since I don't have any bad signs from it when I see my dr? Also, am I the only person with this issue? I assume not but it's always nice to know lol. It is all from sauces or prepackaged stuff, cheese, etc. I don't use actual table salt sprinkled on my food.
I get about 10k+ a day lol1 -
Before you worry about sodium, watch these videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbKk9tbNrfQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnkUj-kc1qk&index=9&list=PLlNrtl1anSvwollmhpTTTEL94G7-WcoV1 3 -
Sodium is something you should be concerned about only if you are hypertensive. Sort of like how sugar really only matters if you are diabetic. Personally I just turned the sodium tracker off because I didn't care.
Sodium is in balance with water. If you eat more sodium and drink more water that is totally fine. In fact if you drink more water you probably should eat more sodium. So the idea of tracking sodium as some independent thing when its really the ratio of water to sodium that matters is a bit silly in my opinion. Right now the way it is set up you could have someone drinking a lot of water (like a gallon) a day and having MFP telling them to limit their sodium even though they should probably be getting like 4x the normal daily suggested amount.9 -
If you eat out alot or buy a lot of ready made meals/snacks then its a given your sodium levels will be high. If you feel healthy enough then its not likely to be a problem. If you make your own food you'll not have to worry about the sodium as you'll never reach the quota.
High sodium makes us retain water so when you cut back you'll see a nice whoosh of water weight gone on the scales
It also can be a problem for those with high blood pressure. 3 -
I have never added salt to anything aside from a potato here and there so I always assumed my sodium intake was probably pretty low... whenever I actually started watching it I realized how incredibly wrong I was and was glad I didn't add more to anything! I've since cut back on canned/packaged meat and switched to fresh which has made a huge difference. I never had any blood pressure issues or anything but I would get bloated and have some swelling that I wasn't even really aware of until I cut back.2
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I try to watch mine, but I'm always over in sodium & usually protein. My blood pressure & other numbers are really good, so I just try to make sure & drink extra water when I'm over more than usual, like when I have buffalo wings.1
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I never pay attention to the nutrients. I just checked and mine is at or right above the recommended levels. However, it's actually more than that because I do not log spices many of which contain or are salt. So lord knows how much sodium I'm actually getting.2
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Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »Verity1111 wrote: »Because I seriously probably double the recommended intake and I only eat 1200-1500 calories. I rarely am below 3,000 and I have hit 4,500-5,000 a lot. Lol. My blood tests etc are all good. Should I worry about it or chill since I don't have any bad signs from it when I see my dr? Also, am I the only person with this issue? I assume not but it's always nice to know lol. It is all from sauces or prepackaged stuff, cheese, etc. I don't use actual table salt sprinkled on my food.
I get about 10k+ a day lol
That makes me feel so much better haha no harm meant1 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Sodium is something you should be concerned about only if you are hypertensive. Sort of like how sugar really only matters if you are diabetic. Personally I just turned the sodium tracker off because I didn't care.
Sodium is in balance with water. If you eat more sodium and drink more water that is totally fine. In fact if you drink more water you probably should eat more sodium. So the idea of tracking sodium as some independent thing when its really the ratio of water to sodium that matters is a bit silly in my opinion. Right now the way it is set up you could have someone drinking a lot of water (like a gallon) a day and having MFP telling them to limit their sodium even though they should probably be getting like 4x the normal daily suggested amount.
I'm a bit doubtful after two interesting papers by Titze et al, 2017. They found that a diet high in sodium raises glucocorticoid levels, which in return breaks down tissue to release water. Thus you don't hold onto more water by eating more salt but the water is created in situ. Basically what camels do when they don't get anything to drink: they break down the tissue in their humps to create water. Breaking down tissue though is not a good idea as you also lose muscle tissue.0 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Sodium is something you should be concerned about only if you are hypertensive. Sort of like how sugar really only matters if you are diabetic. Personally I just turned the sodium tracker off because I didn't care.
Sodium is in balance with water. If you eat more sodium and drink more water that is totally fine. In fact if you drink more water you probably should eat more sodium. So the idea of tracking sodium as some independent thing when its really the ratio of water to sodium that matters is a bit silly in my opinion. Right now the way it is set up you could have someone drinking a lot of water (like a gallon) a day and having MFP telling them to limit their sodium even though they should probably be getting like 4x the normal daily suggested amount.
I'm a bit doubtful after two interesting papers by Titze et al, 2017. They found that a diet high in sodium raises glucocorticoid levels, which in return breaks down tissue to release water. Thus you don't hold onto more water by eating more salt but the water is created in situ. Basically what camels do when they don't get anything to drink: they break down the tissue in their humps to create water. Breaking down tissue though is not a good idea as you also lose muscle tissue.
I think you should do more research than just read a paper by 1 group
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »Sodium is something you should be concerned about only if you are hypertensive. Sort of like how sugar really only matters if you are diabetic. Personally I just turned the sodium tracker off because I didn't care.
Sodium is in balance with water. If you eat more sodium and drink more water that is totally fine. In fact if you drink more water you probably should eat more sodium. So the idea of tracking sodium as some independent thing when its really the ratio of water to sodium that matters is a bit silly in my opinion. Right now the way it is set up you could have someone drinking a lot of water (like a gallon) a day and having MFP telling them to limit their sodium even though they should probably be getting like 4x the normal daily suggested amount.
I'm a bit doubtful after two interesting papers by Titze et al, 2017. They found that a diet high in sodium raises glucocorticoid levels, which in return breaks down tissue to release water. Thus you don't hold onto more water by eating more salt but the water is created in situ. Basically what camels do when they don't get anything to drink: they break down the tissue in their humps to create water. Breaking down tissue though is not a good idea as you also lose muscle tissue.
I think you should do more research than just read a paper by 1 group
Of course I should. Having normal sodium levels yet at times extreme salt hunger (under investigation) and such low blood pressure that I can't stand up I am looking for interesting papers on this topic. Mind pointing me in some interesting directions?1 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Sodium is something you should be concerned about only if you are hypertensive. Sort of like how sugar really only matters if you are diabetic. Personally I just turned the sodium tracker off because I didn't care.
Sodium is in balance with water. If you eat more sodium and drink more water that is totally fine. In fact if you drink more water you probably should eat more sodium. So the idea of tracking sodium as some independent thing when its really the ratio of water to sodium that matters is a bit silly in my opinion. Right now the way it is set up you could have someone drinking a lot of water (like a gallon) a day and having MFP telling them to limit their sodium even though they should probably be getting like 4x the normal daily suggested amount.
I'm a bit doubtful after two interesting papers by Titze et al, 2017. They found that a diet high in sodium raises glucocorticoid levels, which in return breaks down tissue to release water. Thus you don't hold onto more water by eating more salt but the water is created in situ. Basically what camels do when they don't get anything to drink: they break down the tissue in their humps to create water. Breaking down tissue though is not a good idea as you also lose muscle tissue.
I think you should do more research than just read a paper by 1 group
Of course I should. Having normal sodium levels yet at times extreme salt hunger (under investigation) and such low blood pressure that I can't stand up I am looking for interesting papers on this topic. Mind pointing me in some interesting directions?
If you scroll up, you will see I posted two You Tube videos. The one from layne norton is pretty good. The other one from Stan, you have go into a few minutes before he talks about sodium, but worth watching too. I know there are more I have seen, but I would need to hunt those down.5 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Sodium is something you should be concerned about only if you are hypertensive. Sort of like how sugar really only matters if you are diabetic. Personally I just turned the sodium tracker off because I didn't care.
Sodium is in balance with water. If you eat more sodium and drink more water that is totally fine. In fact if you drink more water you probably should eat more sodium. So the idea of tracking sodium as some independent thing when its really the ratio of water to sodium that matters is a bit silly in my opinion. Right now the way it is set up you could have someone drinking a lot of water (like a gallon) a day and having MFP telling them to limit their sodium even though they should probably be getting like 4x the normal daily suggested amount.
I'm a bit doubtful after two interesting papers by Titze et al, 2017. They found that a diet high in sodium raises glucocorticoid levels, which in return breaks down tissue to release water. Thus you don't hold onto more water by eating more salt but the water is created in situ. Basically what camels do when they don't get anything to drink: they break down the tissue in their humps to create water. Breaking down tissue though is not a good idea as you also lose muscle tissue.
That doesn't sound right to me at all.
Is these the papers you are refering to?
https://www.jci.org/articles/view/88530
https://www.jci.org/articles/view/88532
I haven't read the entire paper but I read the abstract and I don't really see how it supports the claim you made here. Since you read the paper can you point to where it states that muscle tissue is cannibalized to release water in people who have high salt diets? Also can you explain how someone who needs to literally digest their own tissues to balance out their sodium intake would continue to live? How would such a thing even be sustainable. Okay on day 1 you cannibilze your muscle tissue to release enough water to balance out the sodium you took in...which would have to be a substantial amount right, I mean like a kilogram worth.......what do you do on day 2? what about on day 100?
What I see this study talking about is hormonal control of water homeostasis under different sodium intake levels in a controlled enviornment, not destruction of tissue to free water to balance sodium.
The second paper mentions catabolic muscle wasting with sodium load in rats without a controlled diet, under conditions of free feeding. Is that what you are referring to?4 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Sodium is something you should be concerned about only if you are hypertensive. Sort of like how sugar really only matters if you are diabetic. Personally I just turned the sodium tracker off because I didn't care.
Sodium is in balance with water. If you eat more sodium and drink more water that is totally fine. In fact if you drink more water you probably should eat more sodium. So the idea of tracking sodium as some independent thing when its really the ratio of water to sodium that matters is a bit silly in my opinion. Right now the way it is set up you could have someone drinking a lot of water (like a gallon) a day and having MFP telling them to limit their sodium even though they should probably be getting like 4x the normal daily suggested amount.
I'm a bit doubtful after two interesting papers by Titze et al, 2017. They found that a diet high in sodium raises glucocorticoid levels, which in return breaks down tissue to release water. Thus you don't hold onto more water by eating more salt but the water is created in situ. Basically what camels do when they don't get anything to drink: they break down the tissue in their humps to create water. Breaking down tissue though is not a good idea as you also lose muscle tissue.
I think you should do more research than just read a paper by 1 group
If you want to do research, I think you should do more than rely on information in YouTube videos.8 -
I rarely go over the 2300mg recommended here. I don't have blood pressure issues, but i do pack on water if go too far over. Yesterday i was at 3122mg (822 over), and this morning I'm nearly 4lbs up on the scale. I'd be a walking water balloon if i went thousands over.
I rarely eat packaged foods, so it's easy to keep sodium on an even keel.1 -
Nope. My sodium is rarely under double. And that is with us rarely eating out anymore. For lunch I commonly make a sandwich with the Orowheat thinbuns, 20g each of ham, roast beef, chicken and cheese. Today I also had 28g of pork rinds with it. Total sodium.....over 1500mgs. Daily goal? 2300 or less. I will likely have 3-4 ounces of smoked salmon tonight as well..... that will likely be over 1000. And there are all the 100-200 hits like cheese, eggs, etc through the day.
Heck, I made a large chef's salad last night and it came out to 1700mg.
On average I am around 3500-4500 but have had some days that hit over 7000.
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livingleanlivingclean wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Sodium is something you should be concerned about only if you are hypertensive. Sort of like how sugar really only matters if you are diabetic. Personally I just turned the sodium tracker off because I didn't care.
Sodium is in balance with water. If you eat more sodium and drink more water that is totally fine. In fact if you drink more water you probably should eat more sodium. So the idea of tracking sodium as some independent thing when its really the ratio of water to sodium that matters is a bit silly in my opinion. Right now the way it is set up you could have someone drinking a lot of water (like a gallon) a day and having MFP telling them to limit their sodium even though they should probably be getting like 4x the normal daily suggested amount.
I'm a bit doubtful after two interesting papers by Titze et al, 2017. They found that a diet high in sodium raises glucocorticoid levels, which in return breaks down tissue to release water. Thus you don't hold onto more water by eating more salt but the water is created in situ. Basically what camels do when they don't get anything to drink: they break down the tissue in their humps to create water. Breaking down tissue though is not a good idea as you also lose muscle tissue.
I think you should do more research than just read a paper by 1 group
If you want to do research, I think you should do more than rely on information in YouTube videos.
You can kiss off for those comments. I just posted 2 videos, I've watched more and read articles.6 -
yes i do0
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In the summer, I rarely get enough even at 8K-12K mg daily. I just sweat it all out while running, hiking, etc. Plus, I don't eat carbs so I need more than most people anyway. When I don't get enough sodium, I get serious muscle cramps.1
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Vaguely try to keep it under the daily recc, but I don't stress about it too much. If my Dr tells me to cut back I'll happily comply.0
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I am low carb so I eat lots of salt1
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I eat about the same amount of calories, eat very little packaged food (we have a large family so I almost always cook our meals from scratch), and my sodium intake according to MFP is way too high as well. However, I don't care about my sodium intake because my blood pressure is usually on the low side. My family doesn't like salty food, so I generally don't add much salt when I'm cooking. At the table I only salt my eggs, nothing else. I'm surprised but not worried.0
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Before you worry about sodium, watch these videos.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbKk9tbNrfQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnkUj-kc1qk&index=9&list=PLlNrtl1anSvwollmhpTTTEL94G7-WcoV1
Anything peer reviewed says the opposite. I know it helps when I can search articles through a uni library data base which won't have all that Google crap. Peer reviewed articles from a uni database or YouTube....... um which one to believe?
If you have hypertension then you should be taking doctors orders by watching sodium levels.2 -
Just a little head shake regarding all the patients I see who’s ‘blood pressure is fiiiine’ but have tortuous arteries or enlarged left heart ventricles indicative of chronic hypertension.
People have different sodium needs including some (plenty) with clinical need for more salt.
Most people though need far far less than modern diets provide them. That why we have population based guidelines.
Of course the guidelines aren’t suitable to all individuals but those that shrug them off because their blood pressure is fiiiine (right now) ... I can’t find the right words to articulate my thoughts on that.
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