Ketogenic diet
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GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Keto findings like these over the years are of interest to some for good health and longevity odds improvement.
https://cancerci.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1475-2867-9-14
"Acetoacetate reduces growth and ATP concentration in cancer cell lines which over-express uncoupling protein 2"
The leaps of logic you take are astounding
What do you suggest as a better way to acquire acetoacetate at no charge?
Not even remotely close to the point.
Jumping from "acetoacetate may look promising for treating certain types of cancers (in vitro)" to "
Keto findings like these over the years are of interest to some for good health and longevity odds improvement." is akin to saying
"Keto diets have been used to reduce seizures in epileptic patients, therefore carbs cause epilepsy "
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johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Keto findings like these over the years are of interest to some for good health and longevity odds improvement.
https://cancerci.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1475-2867-9-14
"Acetoacetate reduces growth and ATP concentration in cancer cell lines which over-express uncoupling protein 2"
The leaps of logic you take are astounding
What do you suggest as a better way to acquire acetoacetate at no charge?
Not even remotely close to the point.
Jumping from "acetoacetate may look promising for treating certain types of cancers (in vitro)" to "
Keto findings like these over the years are of interest to some for good health and longevity odds improvement." is akin to saying
"Keto diets have been used to reduce seizures in epileptic patients, therefore carbs cause epilepsy "
You're a PhD specializing in what?7 -
Too restrictive. Your body doesn't need ketosis to burn fat - just a proper calorie deficit.7
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johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »johnslater461 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Keto findings like these over the years are of interest to some for good health and longevity odds improvement.
https://cancerci.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1475-2867-9-14
"Acetoacetate reduces growth and ATP concentration in cancer cell lines which over-express uncoupling protein 2"
The leaps of logic you take are astounding
What do you suggest as a better way to acquire acetoacetate at no charge?
Not even remotely close to the point.
Jumping from "acetoacetate may look promising for treating certain types of cancers (in vitro)" to "
Keto findings like these over the years are of interest to some for good health and longevity odds improvement." is akin to saying
"Keto diets have been used to reduce seizures in epileptic patients, therefore carbs cause epilepsy "
You're a PhD specializing in what?
Quantum cryptography. You?7 -
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I think this thread could use some humor3 -
Keto_Vampire wrote: »[youtube/]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuJIFe-UkZ4 [ youtube]
I think this thread could use some humor
And bacon grease coffee! Cheers3 -
I like carbs8
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I don't quite do a keto diet, but low carb. After doing a hair analysis (very enlightening-you should do one) and learning I'm a type one slow metabolizer, the dietary recommendations from the lab were to have no more than 20% carbs. I adjusted MFP goals to be 15% carbs. I also had to add in a couple of different supplements for estrogen metabolism (that's another story). In all I noticed a change in my sleep immediately, and feeling satisfied for longer. I try to get a good mix of proteins and fats, add in all my foods, and pay attention to my net carbs. It's been an interesting road thus far in life, so I think I'll take the functional nutritionists advice and try this for a while. This is not to say I don't crave certain things....and I am Far from perfect, but for me as long as I'm trending a certain way, that is good enough. It's also been interesting because during college track I got used to carbo loading....and I Love carbs...but I started noticing that I would bloat after eating that way and I started getting joint and muscle aches. So, low carb it is!16
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jenniemarie1555 wrote: »I don't quite do a keto diet, but low carb. After doing a hair analysis (very enlightening-you should do one) and learning I'm a type one slow metabolizer, the dietary recommendations from the lab were to have no more than 20% carbs. I adjusted MFP goals to be 15% carbs. I also had to add in a couple of different supplements for estrogen metabolism (that's another story). In all I noticed a change in my sleep immediately, and feeling satisfied for longer. I try to get a good mix of proteins and fats, add in all my foods, and pay attention to my net carbs. It's been an interesting road thus far in life, so I think I'll take the functional nutritionists advice and try this for a while. This is not to say I don't crave certain things....and I am Far from perfect, but for me as long as I'm trending a certain way, that is good enough. It's also been interesting because during college track I got used to carbo loading....and I Love carbs...but I started noticing that I would bloat after eating that way and I started getting joint and muscle aches. So, low carb it is!
a hair analysis for what exactly?9 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »jenniemarie1555 wrote: »I don't quite do a keto diet, but low carb. After doing a hair analysis (very enlightening-you should do one) and learning I'm a type one slow metabolizer, the dietary recommendations from the lab were to have no more than 20% carbs. I adjusted MFP goals to be 15% carbs. I also had to add in a couple of different supplements for estrogen metabolism (that's another story). In all I noticed a change in my sleep immediately, and feeling satisfied for longer. I try to get a good mix of proteins and fats, add in all my foods, and pay attention to my net carbs. It's been an interesting road thus far in life, so I think I'll take the functional nutritionists advice and try this for a while. This is not to say I don't crave certain things....and I am Far from perfect, but for me as long as I'm trending a certain way, that is good enough. It's also been interesting because during college track I got used to carbo loading....and I Love carbs...but I started noticing that I would bloat after eating that way and I started getting joint and muscle aches. So, low carb it is!
a hair analysis for what exactly?
And did the same lab offer to sell you supplements?10 -
concordancia wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »jenniemarie1555 wrote: »I don't quite do a keto diet, but low carb. After doing a hair analysis (very enlightening-you should do one) and learning I'm a type one slow metabolizer, the dietary recommendations from the lab were to have no more than 20% carbs. I adjusted MFP goals to be 15% carbs. I also had to add in a couple of different supplements for estrogen metabolism (that's another story). In all I noticed a change in my sleep immediately, and feeling satisfied for longer. I try to get a good mix of proteins and fats, add in all my foods, and pay attention to my net carbs. It's been an interesting road thus far in life, so I think I'll take the functional nutritionists advice and try this for a while. This is not to say I don't crave certain things....and I am Far from perfect, but for me as long as I'm trending a certain way, that is good enough. It's also been interesting because during college track I got used to carbo loading....and I Love carbs...but I started noticing that I would bloat after eating that way and I started getting joint and muscle aches. So, low carb it is!
a hair analysis for what exactly?
And did the same lab offer to sell you supplements?
Just did a quick google of hair analysis and yep-you pretty much nailed it.
eta: it gets even better when you look up what a 'functional nutritionist' is
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jenniemarie1555 wrote: »I don't quite do a keto diet, but low carb. After doing a hair analysis (very enlightening-you should do one) and learning I'm a type one slow metabolizer, the dietary recommendations from the lab were to have no more than 20% carbs. I adjusted MFP goals to be 15% carbs. I also had to add in a couple of different supplements for estrogen metabolism (that's another story). In all I noticed a change in my sleep immediately, and feeling satisfied for longer. I try to get a good mix of proteins and fats, add in all my foods, and pay attention to my net carbs. It's been an interesting road thus far in life, so I think I'll take the functional nutritionists advice and try this for a while. This is not to say I don't crave certain things....and I am Far from perfect, but for me as long as I'm trending a certain way, that is good enough. It's also been interesting because during college track I got used to carbo loading....and I Love carbs...but I started noticing that I would bloat after eating that way and I started getting joint and muscle aches. So, low carb it is!
Wow... Hair analysis, slow metabolizer, supplements for estrogen metabolism, and functional nutritionist. You filled my pseudoscience bingo card.15 -
MerryMavis1 wrote: »concordancia wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »jenniemarie1555 wrote: »I don't quite do a keto diet, but low carb. After doing a hair analysis (very enlightening-you should do one) and learning I'm a type one slow metabolizer, the dietary recommendations from the lab were to have no more than 20% carbs. I adjusted MFP goals to be 15% carbs. I also had to add in a couple of different supplements for estrogen metabolism (that's another story). In all I noticed a change in my sleep immediately, and feeling satisfied for longer. I try to get a good mix of proteins and fats, add in all my foods, and pay attention to my net carbs. It's been an interesting road thus far in life, so I think I'll take the functional nutritionists advice and try this for a while. This is not to say I don't crave certain things....and I am Far from perfect, but for me as long as I'm trending a certain way, that is good enough. It's also been interesting because during college track I got used to carbo loading....and I Love carbs...but I started noticing that I would bloat after eating that way and I started getting joint and muscle aches. So, low carb it is!
a hair analysis for what exactly?
And did the same lab offer to sell you supplements?
Just did a quick google of hair analysis and yep-you pretty much nailed it.
eta: it gets even better when you look up what a 'functional nutritionist' is
As they say, there's a sucker born every minute.6 -
MerryMavis1 wrote: »concordancia wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »jenniemarie1555 wrote: »I don't quite do a keto diet, but low carb. After doing a hair analysis (very enlightening-you should do one) and learning I'm a type one slow metabolizer, the dietary recommendations from the lab were to have no more than 20% carbs. I adjusted MFP goals to be 15% carbs. I also had to add in a couple of different supplements for estrogen metabolism (that's another story). In all I noticed a change in my sleep immediately, and feeling satisfied for longer. I try to get a good mix of proteins and fats, add in all my foods, and pay attention to my net carbs. It's been an interesting road thus far in life, so I think I'll take the functional nutritionists advice and try this for a while. This is not to say I don't crave certain things....and I am Far from perfect, but for me as long as I'm trending a certain way, that is good enough. It's also been interesting because during college track I got used to carbo loading....and I Love carbs...but I started noticing that I would bloat after eating that way and I started getting joint and muscle aches. So, low carb it is!
a hair analysis for what exactly?
And did the same lab offer to sell you supplements?
Just did a quick google of hair analysis and yep-you pretty much nailed it.
eta: it gets even better when you look up what a 'functional nutritionist' is
I suppose you'd prefer a random licensed dietitian?
If you know, what exactly is your beef?9 -
MerryMavis1 wrote: »concordancia wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »jenniemarie1555 wrote: »I don't quite do a keto diet, but low carb. After doing a hair analysis (very enlightening-you should do one) and learning I'm a type one slow metabolizer, the dietary recommendations from the lab were to have no more than 20% carbs. I adjusted MFP goals to be 15% carbs. I also had to add in a couple of different supplements for estrogen metabolism (that's another story). In all I noticed a change in my sleep immediately, and feeling satisfied for longer. I try to get a good mix of proteins and fats, add in all my foods, and pay attention to my net carbs. It's been an interesting road thus far in life, so I think I'll take the functional nutritionists advice and try this for a while. This is not to say I don't crave certain things....and I am Far from perfect, but for me as long as I'm trending a certain way, that is good enough. It's also been interesting because during college track I got used to carbo loading....and I Love carbs...but I started noticing that I would bloat after eating that way and I started getting joint and muscle aches. So, low carb it is!
a hair analysis for what exactly?
And did the same lab offer to sell you supplements?
Just did a quick google of hair analysis and yep-you pretty much nailed it.
eta: it gets even better when you look up what a 'functional nutritionist' is
I suppose you'd prefer a random licensed dietitian?
If you know, what exactly is your beef?
That "functional" practitioners in general are tinfoil hat wearing, woo-spouting snake oil peddlers. That's all.
[ETA:] And just like that, a timely article popped up on my Facebook feed today - written by a former "holistic nutritionist", who explains the scammy woo behind the industry: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/i-used-to-be-a-holistic-nutritionist/19 -
MerryMavis1 wrote: »concordancia wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »jenniemarie1555 wrote: »I don't quite do a keto diet, but low carb. After doing a hair analysis (very enlightening-you should do one) and learning I'm a type one slow metabolizer, the dietary recommendations from the lab were to have no more than 20% carbs. I adjusted MFP goals to be 15% carbs. I also had to add in a couple of different supplements for estrogen metabolism (that's another story). In all I noticed a change in my sleep immediately, and feeling satisfied for longer. I try to get a good mix of proteins and fats, add in all my foods, and pay attention to my net carbs. It's been an interesting road thus far in life, so I think I'll take the functional nutritionists advice and try this for a while. This is not to say I don't crave certain things....and I am Far from perfect, but for me as long as I'm trending a certain way, that is good enough. It's also been interesting because during college track I got used to carbo loading....and I Love carbs...but I started noticing that I would bloat after eating that way and I started getting joint and muscle aches. So, low carb it is!
a hair analysis for what exactly?
And did the same lab offer to sell you supplements?
Just did a quick google of hair analysis and yep-you pretty much nailed it.
eta: it gets even better when you look up what a 'functional nutritionist' is
I suppose you'd prefer a random licensed dietitian?
If you know, what exactly is your beef?
That "functional" practitioners in general are tinfoil hat wearing, woo-spouting snake oil peddlers. That's all.
[ETA:] And just like that, a timely article popped up on my Facebook feed today - written by a former "holistic nutritionist", who explains the scammy woo behind the industry: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/i-used-to-be-a-holistic-nutritionist/
This is great - thanks!
A while ago on my Next Door app there was a conversation between several people involving someone asking for a reference to a holistic doctor. There were a couple of replies with glowing references to practitioners and some of the things they diagnosed - the usual inflammation, but also adrenal fatigue and some gut thing. Honestly, I'd never seen this in real life, just read stuff here and on the web. I had to walk away from the conversation and discontinue following it before I started a giant *kitten* storm with people I probably nod to on a daily basis.7 -
sounds like an acquaintance of mine. I hadn't seen her in years, but she stopped by to visit my mother while I was there a few weeks back and she of course noticed I had lost weight, which led to that conversation on how I did it. She was spouting all the classic woo I've seen addressed here, and certainly didn't like it when I promptly used what I had learned in these threads to counter her. She buys into leaky gut, sugar is evil, low carb is the best way of life for everyone, gluten is evil - the whole 9 yards. It was rather amusing, actually2
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I've done Keto before and really liked it. I'm not sure if it is a long term diet but it worked well to reduce body fat quickly and I felt great. There are some Youtubers with videos that have a lot of information if you are looking to get informed.7
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yes, easy to stick to once you start! Love how I feel and don't ever wanna go back.3
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The full documentary is on Netflix.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61GitUC_678 15
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