My diet plan - good or bad?
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If you need a reward to exercise and the purpose of the exercise is weight control... then please don't exercise.
You can save even more resources by consuming 1.8k Calories of holefood as opposed to 3k Calories of holefood while still creating the same 1000Cal deficit.
Of course exercise is good for you, so if you feel like exercising for reasons other than weight control you should definitely go ahead and do it... and try to find it rewarding for itself.
You can swim in da Nile all you want. But your chosen reward is booster juice. Not a movie and not an extra pack of holefood.
People eat staples. Millions of people eat the same thing again and again.
Learning how to make your own concoctions that you can tolerate is called cooking. And it is a useful skill, especially if you ever find yourself encumbered by friends and family.
That said... many people chug a protein bar or shake or can of boost. So I find nothing morally reprehensible for you to use holefood as often as you wish.
But when I sense an undertone of asceticism or self delusion I do have to point out that, if my sensing is correct, the plan will backfire in the future unless you have a planned transition to plan B that you actually manage to implement before the throw your hands in the air moment where you give up and stop caring because all this is just too much work for what you're getting out of it.
You're turning this into a lot more work than it has to be... so your plan is... BAD!20 -
I am starting to think what you really wanted was a pat on the back for an ingenious diet plan and that may be the source of your annoyance.
I don't post all the specifics of my current plan. I have made my plan by learning from past errors and what I need. No one else can really tell me if I am doing right by myself. The only way to prove my plan is "good" is to succeed or else modify the plan until I can succeed. This is why I suggested you not marry your plan and be open to changes but I appear to have not been worthy of a reply. You should have also noted I did not try and talk you out of MR but suggested that you make sure you have properly dealt with foods you "refused" yourself the first time.
I would like you to succeed. I have my doubts because I have had ingenious plans before and I have done MR. Like you I was not choking them down, I enjoyed them. I loved the simplicity of them. In time, though, it failed. It may not for you and I can't see the harm in trying since you are not at a health risk or anything.
Thank you, Sorry I didnt reply. Yes I know what you mean about committing to plans but not doing so stubbornly. I realize that things like losing a certain amount of weight per month or how many calories I can burn in a day will change as my body does so I know I will have to adjust as I go. Also the point about not letting yourself have certain pleasures (real food) and then suddenly collapse and go overboard with indulging yourself. I have been eating MR for a while now and I have found a nice balance where this doesnt happen to me, although it required me to learn from a few mistakes haha.thepineapplez wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »serindipte wrote: »Mind if I ask where your 4000 figure comes from? You didn't mention your height or age, but a 20 yr old man of 6'2" has to be athlete level in activity to burn that many calories.
Actually, it's not that crazy.
When I first started losing weight I was 220 Lbs and losing about 2 Lbs per week eating 2,000 calories and I wasn't doing any exercise except walking my dog around the block which is about 1 mile. Other than that, I was sedentary with a desk job. This means my maintenance at that weight being sedentary for the most part was 3,000 calories. If I was also doing 2 hours of exercise daily, that would have easily added another 1,000 calories.
As to the OP, your diet plan seems crazy to me, but whatever floats your boat. I find my FitBit to be relatively accurate when compared to my own data...your mileage may vary. The only thing you can really do is eat and see if you're losing at the anticipated rate over a month or six weeks or so. It's all estimates.
Thank you. That is what I plan on doing. I know counting and measuring calories can have its margin of errors here and there so it is really a trial and error process.collectingblues wrote: »thepineapplez wrote: »Ok I have stated this several times but Ill state it again. I am choosing to eat meal replacement because I enjoy the life style. I do not consider this as "punishment", "forcing myself", "being that hard" or as a "extremely restricting eating plan". Eating meal replacement provides me with everything I need to function and I feel fully sustained when I consume it.
There is no medical reason why I choose to consume food in the form of liquid, I just enjoy it. Is that really so unbelievable?quiksylver296 wrote: »thepineapplez wrote: »My original question for this thread was not about my choice of eating meal replacement vs real food. Lets ignore the fact that I enjoy meal replacement and just assume I eat real food like everybody else from now on. Does the diet plan that I asked about make sense?
Well, since "diet" means the items you ingest, that's basically impossible.
Yes I realize this and agree with you. I was just trying to prevent the discussion from going completely off track by removing the negative connotations people associate with meal replacement.
Those of you who have answered the questions I asked and provided me with advice, thank you. I appreciate it.
If you feel fully sustained when you do this, why do you need a reward system to keep you going, and to punish you when you fail to hit your targets?
The reward system is not there to motivate me to eat meal replacement, it is there to motivate me to continue counting calories and keep exercising. It has nothing to do with continuing to eat meal replacement.thepineapplez wrote: »Ok I have stated this several times but Ill state it again. I am choosing to eat meal replacement because I enjoy the life style. I do not consider this as "punishment", "forcing myself", "being that hard" or as a "extremely restricting eating plan". Eating meal replacement provides me with everything I need to function and I feel fully sustained when I consume it.
There is no medical reason why I choose to consume food in the form of liquid, I just enjoy it. Is that really so unbelievable?quiksylver296 wrote: »thepineapplez wrote: »My original question for this thread was not about my choice of eating meal replacement vs real food. Lets ignore the fact that I enjoy meal replacement and just assume I eat real food like everybody else from now on. Does the diet plan that I asked about make sense?
Well, since "diet" means the items you ingest, that's basically impossible.
Yes I realize this and agree with you. I was just trying to prevent the discussion from going completely off track by removing the negative connotations people associate with meal replacement.
Those of you who have answered the questions I asked and provided me with advice, thank you. I appreciate it.
Yes to the bolded.
I am not sure why you included the entire diet strategy, meal replacements, exercise and weight loss reward system if you did not want any feed back.
I did not want feedback on whether or not I should be eating meal replacement vs real food. That was not the original topic of this discussion. The only reason I mentioned meal replacement was to show that my calorie intake count was accurate.
Sorry if I come across as rude, I am just a little annoyed that this discussion went off track because of the meal replacement issue. I feel like people are judging my entire plan on that one detail which I see to be insignificant since I continue to eat meal replacement, whether I am on a weight loss plan or not, and it is a healthy source of intake for me.
You certainly can do as you wish, people that post in MFP genuinely care and give out advice in the best interest of you or others and will advise if something is potentially harmful and you asked if your plan was good or bad in the title. People responded accordingly.
I would see your doctor about this and ask for blood work and then follow up in a few months for additional labs to assure you are not deficient in anything from long term use. These being a healthy amount of intake vs healthy in that they provide adequate nutrition are two different things.
No matter how you came up with the idea to live on these, it might be wise to assure your getting ALL essential vitamins and minerals that you would otherwise from food and that they are providing the right macronutirents needed for the amount of exercise you are doing.
Losing weight and actually ending up unhealthy as a result could occur. Use caution and hopefully you will discuss this with your doctor since you plan to never come off MR in the future.
Thanks for the advice. I have lost weight with MR before and, although I wasnt medically checked, I felt very healthy and not just because my weight was down. As for getting all of the nutrients I need, I know that the MR I eat is generally pretty balanced except for the additional protein I decided to start adding. I also mentioned that I will usually eat one real meal per day, and this usually includes something loaded with a wide variety of veggies, so hopefully that would fill in any gaps from the MR.
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Since it doesn't appear that you really want discussion about it, I'll just directly answer the question you posed in the title of the thread:My diet plan - good or bad?
Bad.14 -
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If your current eating habits are resulting in weight loss then you don't need anyone's help. You're doing great keep it up. If your current eating habits aren't getting results then something has to change regardless of how much you enjoy your MR only diet. Keep doing what you're doing and you'll keep getting the same results.
Seems you really came here looking for confirmation/affirmation of your plan rather than advice. That's really not how this forum works, the people here will offer advice not blanket ratification.
You've gotten sound advice in this thread, from people who have no reason or motivation to lie to you.
Now it's up to you. You can decide that everyone here is wrong and do what you always intended to do anyway or you can listen and take on board what's been offered.6 -
Since it doesn't appear that you really want discussion about it, I'll just directly answer the question you posed in the title of the thread:My diet plan - good or bad?
Bad.
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I also have a question to add.
What happens to your after raquetball bike ride if the wind changes direction?2 -
There is no reason for some of you to be curt and dismissive. The OP is overweight and trying to find relief. How willing will the OP be to come back here if there is failure based on some of your responses?
"I told you so" is not victory if someone remains unhealthy.16 -
considering the OP isn't willing to listen to any kind of logic on why said proposed diet plan likely won't succeed...and was curt to those of us providing advice first....not really worried if they do/don't come back7
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This is not meant to be rude AT ALL. I’m just wondering (because until last July when I joined MFP I had no clue how much I was actually consuming and how little I was burning in a day until I actually started logging which I have every day for 290 days) if you’ve been drinking meal replacements and are truly burning 4000 calories a day (which seems extremely high to me but) and you weigh 250lbs then how many meal replacements are you drinking? And how many calories are in them?
Personally I started last June at 222lbs and now I weigh 153lbs. I didn’t do anything except for stick to 1200 calories a day and I also don’t eat back my calorie burn. So in a year almost I lost safely and have kept it off. Rarely fluctuate. And I eat actual food. I didn’t use any special diets or anything trending. Just a regular 1200 calorie a day lifestyle and now I’m almost to goal at which point I will increase to my maintenance intake of 2000 calories a day.
Everyday I learn something new about food and about myself. Looking back I can see why I weighted what I did and it’s because we often don’t realize that everything that we put in our mouths adds up quickly if we don’t make the right choices. I’ve learned a lot. Everyone is different and what works for one person doesn’t work for someone else. But calorie counting does work. It’s a no fail if you are honest with yourself and your MFP diary.
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I can understand why OP enjoys a mostly liquid diet. My husband replaces most of his meals with high calorie protein shakes as he simply is not hungry enough to eat solid food. He has always not had much of an appetite and using the meal replacements helps him get his calories (I'm the opposite I love food). Being judgemental about OP's choice of diet is not answering the question they orginally asked.9
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layladrew26 wrote: »I can understand why OP enjoys a mostly liquid diet. My husband replaces most of his meals with high calorie protein shakes as he simply is not hungry enough to eat solid food. He has always not had much of an appetite and using the meal replacements helps him get his calories (I'm the opposite I love food). Being judgemental about OP's choice of diet is not answering the question they orginally asked.
How do you give an opinion on good vs bad without a judgement?
While this product claims to provide 100% of what you need, it doesn't seem to actually tell you how much fiber it has. The macros seem off to me, but I didn't really do the math. Specifically, having more than twice as many carbs as protein seems odd, but the 4 servings necessary to get to the 100% RDA of the vitamins would provide 120g of protein, which isn't bad. It certainly makes a gallant effort on providing minerals.
I don't think your digestive system will be happy with you in the long term.3 -
I think the question being asked was if the amount of calories they have was about right to lose weight not how they decide to consume those calories. I get that liquid diets aren't sustainable for most people trying to lose weight. It isn't something I could stick to but OP stated they enjoy it and find it convenient. Whatever works for the individual I guess.6
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layladrew26 wrote: »I think the question being asked was if the amount of calories they have was about right to lose weight not how they decide to consume those calories. I get that liquid diets aren't sustainable for most people trying to lose weight. It isn't something I could stick to but OP stated they enjoy it and find it convenient. Whatever works for the individual I guess.
OP's state many things on MFP. From I need to lose 10lbs by Friday while I am already underweight to I will eat a monodiet and exercise hard to lose 40 to 50lbs. And presumably continue on it indefinitely to maintain.
This is like saying: "Hi MFP: I am debating whether I need nylon single braided rope or some other kind to set up a tightrope so I can cross from one office tower to the next. What's the best kind of rope to use?"
And people answering: "Forget the rope you **kitten**, take the damn elevator to the ground floor, walk across the lobby, cross the street at the traffic light, and then walk into the other office building".
I don't think that actually discussing types of ropes as asked would be THAT helpful.
And if this is offensive... well, anyone can click on my username on the MFP web version and the click on the nice big green "ignore" button.10
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