Cutting and going up in weight
Juice_boi
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I started cutting about 2 1/2 months ago and I decided to keep going up in weight rather than reps and I found that it’s helped me lose more weight faster I’ve lost a total of 20 lbs is this just me or does this work for anyone else?
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It’s all about energy expenditure, while lifting heavy will help retain muscle and strength in a deficit, it is hard to build muscle in a deficit. The reason I say this, is because muscle takes more calories to maintain leading to an increase in BMR, but that would be hard to achieve in a deficit unless you are a newbie or on anabolic compounds. It’s most likely you increased your tdee in some way. When I start cutting I do a power building kind of program. Doing my compounds heavy, then hypertrophy for accessory work1
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Your body seems like it responds better to higher weights. Keep at it. Some state that higher reps into hypertrophic training correlates to physical muscle growth. But I know for me, I noticed physical and strength growth when it comes to less reps and more weight. But that’s just me. If you can cut down while lifting heavy, that’s a good combo.1
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What do you mean go up in weight, you mean with your lifts? From my understanding you should keep aiming to add strength, or at least maintain strength during a cut. Sometimes I add reps but typically I aim for adding weight first for progression. Unless you are weeks away from a bodybuilding competition where I would imagine strength starts to go down.
If you lost 20lbs it is because you were in a calorie deficit. Exercise, including lifting, can add to that but whatever the cause it was burning more than your intake.3 -
pinggolfer96 wrote: »It’s all about energy expenditure, while lifting heavy will help retain muscle and strength in a deficit, it is hard to build muscle in a deficit. The reason I say this, is because muscle takes more calories to maintain leading to an increase in BMR, but that would be hard to achieve in a deficit unless you are a newbie or on anabolic compounds. It’s most likely you increased your tdee in some way. When I start cutting I do a power building kind of program. Doing my compounds heavy, then hypertrophy for accessory work
Look at the OP's user name.7 -
Davidsdottir wrote: »pinggolfer96 wrote: »It’s all about energy expenditure, while lifting heavy will help retain muscle and strength in a deficit, it is hard to build muscle in a deficit. The reason I say this, is because muscle takes more calories to maintain leading to an increase in BMR, but that would be hard to achieve in a deficit unless you are a newbie or on anabolic compounds. It’s most likely you increased your tdee in some way. When I start cutting I do a power building kind of program. Doing my compounds heavy, then hypertrophy for accessory work
Look at the OP's user name.
Yep. Steroids/PEDs change the playing field and the rules of the game.2 -
I'm on a pretty robust TRT protocol and I suspect it was more than a little helpful in allowing me to retain the bulk of my gains during a pretty aggressive cut. However, nothing compares to an actual stack/cycle... or maybe OP just likes his Atlas Juice Master?
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Lol so no I’m not on any anabolics or PEDs my user name is just a play on my real name hugo which in Spanish sounds like juice. I started going heavier on my three main lifts and that’s when I noticed a difference; my squat went from 315 to 385, bench 225 to 275, and my DL went from 365 to 425. I hope to keep increasing these numbers I’m just scared to add more food to my diet due to the fact that I want to keep losing body fat. My fat % went down from 20 to 17% BF.2
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Lol so no I’m not on any anabolics or PEDs my user name is just a play on my real name hugo which in Spanish sounds like juice. I started going heavier on my three main lifts and that’s when I noticed a difference; my squat went from 315 to 385, bench 225 to 275, and my DL went from 365 to 425. I hope to keep increasing these numbers I’m just scared to add more food to my diet due to the fact that I want to keep losing body fat. My fat % went down from 20 to 17% BF.
Sorry, my bad!3 -
Davidsdottir wrote: »Lol so no I’m not on any anabolics or PEDs my user name is just a play on my real name hugo which in Spanish sounds like juice. I started going heavier on my three main lifts and that’s when I noticed a difference; my squat went from 315 to 385, bench 225 to 275, and my DL went from 365 to 425. I hope to keep increasing these numbers I’m just scared to add more food to my diet due to the fact that I want to keep losing body fat. My fat % went down from 20 to 17% BF.
Sorry, my bad!
That's still a huge increase in numbers just from lifting heavier especially after losing close to 2.5lbs a week in the course of two months.
OP what program are you following/how did you add 180lbs to your total in 2 months while in a massive deficit? That is something that needs to be put into a study2 -
Well it was more like three months really and this is more of an estimate I was on deployment didn’t really have much time to write down the specifics but I did hit the weights a lot harder than I ever have before. My diet consisted of water, chicken, rice and black coffee grinds0
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Common misconception for doing volume/high reps for cutting...to a certain extent, it's wise to keep lifting heavy even during a cut (barring injury/strength loss).
Possibly OP just hasn't trained in extremely low rep ranges prior & is unaware of max lifts
(Not making any accusations of "that there cell tech" or "anabolic chicken"...drama is for high schoolers)1 -
Well it was more like three months really and this is more of an estimate I was on deployment didn’t really have much time to write down the specifics but I did hit the weights a lot harder than I ever have before. My diet consisted of water, chicken, rice and black coffee grinds
What why. You're starving yourself of so many things especially being in a cut and upping the intensity of your workouts.
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Well it was more like three months really and this is more of an estimate I was on deployment didn’t really have much time to write down the specifics but I did hit the weights a lot harder than I ever have before. My diet consisted of water, chicken, rice and black coffee grinds
What why. You're starving yourself of so many things especially being in a cut and upping the intensity of your workouts.
I'm wondering how backed up one gets without ingesting fiber and fat...0 -
Davidsdottir wrote: »Well it was more like three months really and this is more of an estimate I was on deployment didn’t really have much time to write down the specifics but I did hit the weights a lot harder than I ever have before. My diet consisted of water, chicken, rice and black coffee grinds
What why. You're starving yourself of so many things especially being in a cut and upping the intensity of your workouts.
I'm wondering how backed up one gets without ingesting fiber and fat...
I didn't even think about that. Is that the first thing you thought of? "Dang that's a lot of protein and no fibre" haha. I won't make any speculations on here but wow. I just don't see how you have made such substantial progress in 3 months. I applaud you if it's all accurate and true. I've just never come close to that and I'm flabbergasted.1 -
Davidsdottir wrote: »Well it was more like three months really and this is more of an estimate I was on deployment didn’t really have much time to write down the specifics but I did hit the weights a lot harder than I ever have before. My diet consisted of water, chicken, rice and black coffee grinds
What why. You're starving yourself of so many things especially being in a cut and upping the intensity of your workouts.
I'm wondering how backed up one gets without ingesting fiber and fat...
I didn't even think about that. Is that the first thing you thought of? "Dang that's a lot of protein and no fibre" haha. I won't make any speculations on here but wow. I just don't see how you have made such substantial progress in 3 months. I applaud you if it's all accurate and true. I've just never come close to that and I'm flabbergasted.
I have a very "healthy" digestive system...multiple times a day... so, yeah, first thought LOL2 -
Well I’ve seen guys do a lot more than me I’m not even near that level that those guys are at but yeah I usually just do about 3-4 sets of 3 reps or less until I reached my max for my mains plus other regular exercises and this was on my off time but on my on time we ran 3 miles every morning at 0500 for the first month then “high intensity workouts” about 3 times a day or “getting messed for stupid people” and I did eat broccoli and other greens but for the most part I ate what I said.0
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Are you asking if keeping the intensity on the bar and reducing volume on a cut works better for one?
I think so, because the heavy weight/compound lifts are effective for maintaining muscle mass while it's easier to stay in a deficit without super high volume workouts.3 -
Well I’ve seen guys do a lot more than me I’m not even near that level that those guys are at but yeah I usually just do about 3-4 sets of 3 reps or less until I reached my max for my mains plus other regular exercises and this was on my off time but on my on time we ran 3 miles every morning at 0500 for the first month then “high intensity workouts” about 3 times a day or “getting messed for stupid people” and I did eat broccoli and other greens but for the most part I ate what I said.
So you max out your main lifts every training session? Whilst In a deficit.. and have added over 150lbs to an already impressive total in 3 months. While training 3 times a day. Alright haha. So either you're the most genetically gifted young man on the planet. Or...
But yes I find that higher intensity is better for my cuts but time to recover becomes top priority. Your potential for injury skyrockets while in a large deficit1 -
Wow Lol like I said these are estimates I’m probly off by a lot on the starting point. And I’m not gifted I just put work in and don’t pussyfoot around. Like I said I’ve seen guys go way heavier in weight in less time than me. And stop hinting to something your such a creep, miss me with that weird s#%t2
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Wow Lol like I said these are estimates I’m probly off by a lot on the starting point. And I’m not gifted I just put work in and don’t pussyfoot around. Like I said I’ve seen guys go way heavier in weight in less time than me. And stop hinting to something your such a creep, miss me with that weird s#%t
Prob cause they're not in a deficit like you.....
I am confused though by your comments or goals.....no offense, it just sounds like you need to do some research on nutrition and programming.3 -
Why are you estimating your lifts? This is adding to the misunderstandings I think. Most of us know exactly how much we had on the bar the previous weeks... and on a tangent - what’s up with your traps? It’s rare to see such disproportionate development. Pretty Impressive.0
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My traps are genetic lol I’ve always had traps even before working out and yeah I should probly do more research that’s why I’m on this app and my beginning max for my three main lifts was from the last time I really maxed out idk what it was at the beginning of my training lol sorry I confused everyone that’s my bad I just got on here so I can learn new stuff I’m a newbie to all this stuff0
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Wow Lol like I said these are estimates I’m probly off by a lot on the starting point. And I’m not gifted I just put work in and don’t pussyfoot around. Like I said I’ve seen guys go way heavier in weight in less time than me. And stop hinting to something your such a creep, miss me with that weird s#%t
Being informed on the subject, always tracking my lifts to the pound and knowing what is and isnt generally possible for a trained natural. Does not make me a creep. It makes me more aware in the fitness industry. Why are you so offended by a speculation if you're natural? It should be a compliment if people don't believe it's naturally possible to achieve such weight in such a short time. The only time I've ever seen someone get defensive about such a speculation is when it's true. Just an anecdotal observation.
But if you're going to, could you speak in such a way that I don't need to decipher what you're saying. Once again. If you are natural. It's a compliment and means you're leagues above most.
But that being said, I and most others train with the utmost intensity so I'm not sure who that statement about *kitten* footing around is directed towards.2 -
Yeah bro your right and no I’m not offended just got a little pissed off that i was getting misconstrued and yeah I was talking about the fact that I did hit it really intensely for those 3 months I hate when people say I use something or did some weird stuff. I apologize if I came off as an *kitten*. I did get my numbers from a while before I started training those three months tho so maybe that’s where things aren’t adding up. I’ll be sure to document all my stuff now but in al honesty heavier weight did help me lose a lot of fat.0
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Yeah bro your right and no I’m not offended just got a little pissed off that i was getting misconstrued and yeah I was talking about the fact that I did hit it really intensely for those 3 months I hate when people say I use something or did some weird stuff. I apologize if I came off as an *kitten*. I did get my numbers from a while before I started training those three months tho so maybe that’s where things aren’t adding up. I’ll be sure to document all my stuff now but in al honesty heavier weight did help me lose a lot of fat.
Aight sweet. No I'll intent was meant. It's even better for yourself to track accurately. That way it's that much easier to be sure that what you're doing is truly working2 -
Yeah that’s why I got into this app hopefully I’ll get more info and better readings on my food as well0
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