Am I not losing as much because i'm not eating enough?
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gebeziseva wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »LaurenMT96 wrote: »The soup is just a tin of soup, i eat the full tin and it has the grams on the packet, the sauce is the same i use a full packet cooking for me and my partner so just half it and the cheese sticks are individually packaged also, im super precise with my food
Add salt?? isn't that bad ? or make you retain water ?
You would be surprised at how much variance there is from package to package. For tinned soup, probably less so, but for cheese sticks, yes you should weigh them, at least at first.
That is not necessarily true. I'm in the UK and shop at Sainsbury's and I've found that even items that you don't expect to be the correct weight per item in a package (like veg) are exactly the correct weight. I've been amazed more than once. I think those cheddar sticks if there is any variance it will be 1gr at most and the error in calorie tracking is much larger than this.
I never weigh prepacked items and I lose weight at 100cal deficit if at all (yes very slowly, less than 1lbs a month, I have very little left to lose) so my precision is likely very high (I keep a database and there are no missing calories in my calculations).
You've checked. She hasn't. She should.stanmann571 wrote: »LaurenMT96 wrote: »The soup is just a tin of soup, i eat the full tin and it has the grams on the packet, the sauce is the same i use a full packet cooking for me and my partner so just half it and the cheese sticks are individually packaged also, im super precise with my food
Add salt?? isn't that bad ? or make you retain water ?
You would be surprised at how much variance there is from package to package. For tinned soup, probably less so, but for cheese sticks, yes you should weigh them, at least at first.
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So couple comments beyond (generally) good advice given.
Your body is already under stress with PCOS - so what is a reasonable rate of loss for a healthy body is likely not the same for you.
And you are beyond the point of 50 lbs left and a reasonable rate changing to 1.5 lbs weekly anyway.
So I'd suggest that needs to happen.
Because even a healthy body if underfed enough can start adapting within a month by slowing down your daily activity levels - an amount you'd likely not notice by movements, but could reach 200 cal or more of less burning daily.
It doesn't take nearly as long as a year for body to adapt, not according to studies on healthy bodies.
That body under stress can also have your cortisol levels constantly elevated, rather than just spikes from exercise.
That can mean retained water. That can mask fat loss on scale, but measuring inches should still show up something.
But that's still a good indication if body is under that kind of stress, perhaps diet is too much.7 -
I see an average of approximately 2lbs per week over 6 weeks. What do you see? Is it the uneven pace?0
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Grasschopper wrote: »Soooo....I'm not a doctor but as I'm on a weight loss journey I've done a TON of research on it. Eat less and exercise more WILL fail in time. It will initially be successful but over time your body will adjust to the lower caloric intake and reduce your BMR to account for the lower food intake. The science backs this up and isn't new. That said you shouldn't be down adjusted yet...I believe it will take 4-6 months.
I would strongly suggest looking into Jason Fung and the book the Obesity Code. And from that look into intermittent fasting. There's a lot of info on YouTube, I'd specifically look for Dr Fung's talks at the Low Carb Vail 2016 conference.
I've been doing IF since February and the change in body composition is real (as in the weight loss). I've dropped 4" off my waist and 23 lbs. I started at 262 lbs in August 2017 and quickly dropped to 245 ish pounds but was suck there for several months even though I was exercising daily and watching what (and how much) I ate. Since February I've lost another 25 lbs using IF. Honestly the big thing I like about it is that you get to eat a LOT more at each meal...though there are less meals.
You've lost a bunch of weight in a short time, congratulations and keep up the good work.
Ignore this. Fung is a quack, and the change to BMR with continued restriction is very minor.
I second the advice to ignore the Fung stuff. Fung is a crackpot and his pseudoscientific theories have been repeatedly disproven. He’s a laughingstock amongst evidence-based researchers. There is plenty of evidence showing that he’s way out in the weeds as far as how things work vs. how he thinks they work.14 -
Ignore this. Fung is a quack, and the change to BMR with continued restriction is very minor.
I second the advice to ignore the Fung stuff. Fung is a crackpot and his pseudoscientific theories have been repeatedly disproven. He’s a laughingstock amongst evidence-based researchers. There is plenty of evidence showing that he’s way out in the weeds as far as how things work vs. how he thinks they work.
As I'm fully open to being wrong...please provide sources. Seriously. I've struggled with my weight since my 20s and it's never been so easy, nor have a felt so good as it has been this time around to lose weight and change my body composition. I've seen a lot of scientific studies showing the positive benefits of fasting and data as well as my own experience with simply eating less and exercising more.
Again fully open to new/different ideas/thoughts and have 20lbs-30lbs to go myself as I continue my weight loss journey.8 -
Grasschopper wrote: »As I'm fully open to being wrong...please provide sources. Seriously. I've struggled with my weight since my 20s and it's never been so easy, nor have a felt so good as it has been this time around to lose weight and change my body composition. I've seen a lot of scientific studies showing the positive benefits of fasting and data as well as my own experience with simply eating less and exercising more.
Again fully open to new/different ideas/thoughts and have 20lbs-30lbs to go myself as I continue my weight loss journey.
https://www.myoleanfitness.com/evidence-caloric-restriction/
https://www.dymatize-athletic-nutrition.com/en_GB/why-dymatize/blog/intermittent-fasting-fat-loss-and-better-health
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261561417301255
https://www.myoleanfitness.com/intermittent-fasting-vs-traditional-dieting/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26384657
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27338458
None of that is to say that IF can't be an effective/successful strategy, because it most certainly can. But Fung is way off base as to why it can be successful, and he preaches a lot of magick and wizardry about it that simply isn't true, as far as the insulin theory and a lot of unproven 'health benefits'.
If it's working for you, that's awesome - stick with it. Many people (myself included) find that IF is a great help with satiety and adherence. But I think it's good to understand that the benefits are from those factors, not from some magical mystical sideshow sleight of hand in the body.19 -
Grasschopper wrote: »Ignore this. Fung is a quack, and the change to BMR with continued restriction is very minor.
I second the advice to ignore the Fung stuff. Fung is a crackpot and his pseudoscientific theories have been repeatedly disproven. He’s a laughingstock amongst evidence-based researchers. There is plenty of evidence showing that he’s way out in the weeds as far as how things work vs. how he thinks they work.
As I'm fully open to being wrong...please provide sources. Seriously. I've struggled with my weight since my 20s and it's never been so easy, nor have a felt so good as it has been this time around to lose weight and change my body composition. I've seen a lot of scientific studies showing the positive benefits of fasting and data as well as my own experience with simply eating less and exercising more.
Again fully open to new/different ideas/thoughts and have 20lbs-30lbs to go myself as I continue my weight loss journey.
It feels awesome and amazing when you find a way of eating that makes a calorie deficit easier. I don't think anybody denies that keto/IF is that way for some people (just like volume eating or plant-based eating or 6 meals a day may do it for others). That doesn't make Fung's underlying claims about *how weight loss happens* any more valid.
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Grasschopper wrote: »LaurenMT96 wrote: »What healthy fats would you suggest?
Avocados, Bacon, Olive Oil, MCT oil if you're really going for it.
I would substitute nuts for bacon if you’re going for healthy ones. Bacon might taste good but preserved meats aren’t exactly healthy.13 -
mburgess458 wrote: »Grasschopper wrote: »Avocados, Bacon, Olive Oil, MCT oil if you're really going for it.
I would substitute nuts for bacon if you’re going for healthy ones. Bacon might taste good but preserved meats aren’t exactly healthy.
Each to their own. Non GMO bacon isn't going to be that bad for you...much better than 99% of the soy based "healthy" options out there for sure.
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Grasschopper wrote: »mburgess458 wrote: »Grasschopper wrote: »Avocados, Bacon, Olive Oil, MCT oil if you're really going for it.
I would substitute nuts for bacon if you’re going for healthy ones. Bacon might taste good but preserved meats aren’t exactly healthy.
Each to their own. Non GMO bacon isn't going to be that bad for you...much better than 99% of the soy based "healthy" options out there for sure.
What are you talking about? GMO stands for Genetically Modified Organism and as far as I can tell is ONLY used to describe plants so far. I googled "GMO bacon" and nothing comes back other than a mention that it MIGHT be possible to genetically modify pigs and produce lower fat bacon. It doesn't exist today.
Do you mean uncured bacon? The main unhealthy part of bacon is all of the preservatives like nitrates that are in most bacon you buy today. You can buy uncured bacon which is much better, but I still don't know any experts that consider pork fat to be as healthy as plant fats like avocados/nuts/seeds. I would agree it isn't bad, just not as good as healthier fats.14 -
Grasschopper wrote: »Ignore this. Fung is a quack, and the change to BMR with continued restriction is very minor.
I second the advice to ignore the Fung stuff. Fung is a crackpot and his pseudoscientific theories have been repeatedly disproven. He’s a laughingstock amongst evidence-based researchers. There is plenty of evidence showing that he’s way out in the weeds as far as how things work vs. how he thinks they work.
As I'm fully open to being wrong...please provide sources. Seriously. I've struggled with my weight since my 20s and it's never been so easy, nor have a felt so good as it has been this time around to lose weight and change my body composition. I've seen a lot of scientific studies showing the positive benefits of fasting and data as well as my own experience with simply eating less and exercising more.
Again fully open to new/different ideas/thoughts and have 20lbs-30lbs to go myself as I continue my weight loss journey.
The main thing would be that fat loss can't happen unless a calorie deficit is created. Fung denies this.8 -
mburgess458 wrote: »Grasschopper wrote: »mburgess458 wrote: »Grasschopper wrote: »Avocados, Bacon, Olive Oil, MCT oil if you're really going for it.
I would substitute nuts for bacon if you’re going for healthy ones. Bacon might taste good but preserved meats aren’t exactly healthy.
Each to their own. Non GMO bacon isn't going to be that bad for you...much better than 99% of the soy based "healthy" options out there for sure.
What are you talking about? GMO stands for Genetically Modified Organism and as far as I can tell is ONLY used to describe plants so far. I googled "GMO bacon" and nothing comes back other than a mention that it MIGHT be possible to genetically modify pigs and produce lower fat bacon. It doesn't exist today.
Do you mean uncured bacon? The main unhealthy part of bacon is all of the preservatives like nitrates that are in most bacon you buy today. You can buy uncured bacon which is much better, but I still don't know any experts that consider pork fat to be as healthy as plant fats like avocados/nuts/seeds. I would agree it isn't bad, just not as good as healthier fats.
Could this be a new term for animals eating GMO corn, or in this case, not eating it?0 -
mburgess458 wrote: »Grasschopper wrote: »mburgess458 wrote: »Grasschopper wrote: »Avocados, Bacon, Olive Oil, MCT oil if you're really going for it.
I would substitute nuts for bacon if you’re going for healthy ones. Bacon might taste good but preserved meats aren’t exactly healthy.
Each to their own. Non GMO bacon isn't going to be that bad for you...much better than 99% of the soy based "healthy" options out there for sure.
What are you talking about? GMO stands for Genetically Modified Organism and as far as I can tell is ONLY used to describe plants so far. I googled "GMO bacon" and nothing comes back other than a mention that it MIGHT be possible to genetically modify pigs and produce lower fat bacon. It doesn't exist today.
Do you mean uncured bacon? The main unhealthy part of bacon is all of the preservatives like nitrates that are in most bacon you buy today. You can buy uncured bacon which is much better, but I still don't know any experts that consider pork fat to be as healthy as plant fats like avocados/nuts/seeds. I would agree it isn't bad, just not as good as healthier fats.
Could this be a new term for animals eating GMO corn, or in this case, not eating it?
I think it's advertising and fearmongering at it's core.15 -
stanmann571 wrote: »mburgess458 wrote: »Grasschopper wrote: »mburgess458 wrote: »Grasschopper wrote: »Avocados, Bacon, Olive Oil, MCT oil if you're really going for it.
I would substitute nuts for bacon if you’re going for healthy ones. Bacon might taste good but preserved meats aren’t exactly healthy.
Each to their own. Non GMO bacon isn't going to be that bad for you...much better than 99% of the soy based "healthy" options out there for sure.
What are you talking about? GMO stands for Genetically Modified Organism and as far as I can tell is ONLY used to describe plants so far. I googled "GMO bacon" and nothing comes back other than a mention that it MIGHT be possible to genetically modify pigs and produce lower fat bacon. It doesn't exist today.
Do you mean uncured bacon? The main unhealthy part of bacon is all of the preservatives like nitrates that are in most bacon you buy today. You can buy uncured bacon which is much better, but I still don't know any experts that consider pork fat to be as healthy as plant fats like avocados/nuts/seeds. I would agree it isn't bad, just not as good as healthier fats.
Could this be a new term for animals eating GMO corn, or in this case, not eating it?
I think it's advertising and fearmongering at it's core.
These label proclamations are going to get really ridiculous if that's the route.
"This hamburger GMO free *" - "* didn't eat any GMO food".
Personally, I'd rather have the label accurately labeled for something like "this meat came from animals that didn't eat other animals' brains and guts".8 -
stanmann571 wrote: »mburgess458 wrote: »Grasschopper wrote: »mburgess458 wrote: »Grasschopper wrote: »Avocados, Bacon, Olive Oil, MCT oil if you're really going for it.
I would substitute nuts for bacon if you’re going for healthy ones. Bacon might taste good but preserved meats aren’t exactly healthy.
Each to their own. Non GMO bacon isn't going to be that bad for you...much better than 99% of the soy based "healthy" options out there for sure.
What are you talking about? GMO stands for Genetically Modified Organism and as far as I can tell is ONLY used to describe plants so far. I googled "GMO bacon" and nothing comes back other than a mention that it MIGHT be possible to genetically modify pigs and produce lower fat bacon. It doesn't exist today.
Do you mean uncured bacon? The main unhealthy part of bacon is all of the preservatives like nitrates that are in most bacon you buy today. You can buy uncured bacon which is much better, but I still don't know any experts that consider pork fat to be as healthy as plant fats like avocados/nuts/seeds. I would agree it isn't bad, just not as good as healthier fats.
Could this be a new term for animals eating GMO corn, or in this case, not eating it?
I think it's advertising and fearmongering at it's core.
These label proclamations are going to get really ridiculous if that's the route.
"This hamburger GMO free *" - "* didn't eat any GMO food".
Kinda like the Gluten-free labels on foods that never, ever contained gluten in the first place?15 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »mburgess458 wrote: »Grasschopper wrote: »mburgess458 wrote: »Grasschopper wrote: »Avocados, Bacon, Olive Oil, MCT oil if you're really going for it.
I would substitute nuts for bacon if you’re going for healthy ones. Bacon might taste good but preserved meats aren’t exactly healthy.
Each to their own. Non GMO bacon isn't going to be that bad for you...much better than 99% of the soy based "healthy" options out there for sure.
What are you talking about? GMO stands for Genetically Modified Organism and as far as I can tell is ONLY used to describe plants so far. I googled "GMO bacon" and nothing comes back other than a mention that it MIGHT be possible to genetically modify pigs and produce lower fat bacon. It doesn't exist today.
Do you mean uncured bacon? The main unhealthy part of bacon is all of the preservatives like nitrates that are in most bacon you buy today. You can buy uncured bacon which is much better, but I still don't know any experts that consider pork fat to be as healthy as plant fats like avocados/nuts/seeds. I would agree it isn't bad, just not as good as healthier fats.
Could this be a new term for animals eating GMO corn, or in this case, not eating it?
I think it's advertising and fearmongering at it's core.
These label proclamations are going to get really ridiculous if that's the route.
"This hamburger GMO free *" - "* didn't eat any GMO food".
Kinda like the Gluten-free labels on foods that never, ever contained gluten in the first place?
I've got a bottle of certified gluten free, Vegan, Lactose free.Water Yeah. Just water.
Who knew?9 -
mburgess458 wrote: »Grasschopper wrote: »mburgess458 wrote: »Grasschopper wrote: »Avocados, Bacon, Olive Oil, MCT oil if you're really going for it.
I would substitute nuts for bacon if you’re going for healthy ones. Bacon might taste good but preserved meats aren’t exactly healthy.
Each to their own. Non GMO bacon isn't going to be that bad for you...much better than 99% of the soy based "healthy" options out there for sure.
What are you talking about? GMO stands for Genetically Modified Organism and as far as I can tell is ONLY used to describe plants so far. I googled "GMO bacon" and nothing comes back other than a mention that it MIGHT be possible to genetically modify pigs and produce lower fat bacon. It doesn't exist today.
Do you mean uncured bacon? The main unhealthy part of bacon is all of the preservatives like nitrates that are in most bacon you buy today. You can buy uncured bacon which is much better, but I still don't know any experts that consider pork fat to be as healthy as plant fats like avocados/nuts/seeds. I would agree it isn't bad, just not as good as healthier fats.
Could this be a new term for animals eating GMO corn, or in this case, not eating it?
I wonder if that is the case. There is a brand of yogurt advertising that it is made with milk from cows that were not fed GMO. I don't know what their label looks like.0 -
I can only respond based on my own experience. I started at 237 in July 2017. Initially I lost at 2 lbs. per week until I reached about 212 lbs. In that time I had also reinputted my stats at least 3 times into MFP. (Have you been doing that?? I hear that on the phone app you don't need to, but you do on the computer). You cannot continue to eat the same amount at 250 lbs. that you ate at 212 lbs. and expect to lose at the same rate. Your body needs much less.
By the time I got to 212 in order to lose 2 lbs. per week I was going to have to eat 1200 calories (or less because MFP will just stop at 1200 and will not show less). I tried that for four days and could not do it. So I tried 1.5 calories per week, but didn't like it so I just changed to 1 calorie per week, which I have been at since. I'm at 189 now, and okay with my progress. It is slower than I initially expected but I work at a job that I need to be alert and not crabby, so I am happy to eat 1550-1700 NET over the past 6-8 months to lose 1 lb. per week. Usually I'm eating 1800-2100 with exercise calories. A LOT better than eating 1200 calories and climbing the walls from hunger.
I think there is something about getting just over 200 lbs. for women, when it is difficult to lose at 2 lbs. per week because the deficit is too large (1000 calories) and there are no longer the fat stores to draw from.
I would recommend you 1) reinput your stats if you are on the computer. 2) change to 1-1.5 lbs. per week.3 -
mburgess458 wrote: »What are you talking about? GMO stands for Genetically Modified Organism and as far as I can tell is ONLY used to describe plants so far. I googled "GMO bacon" and nothing comes back other than a mention that it MIGHT be possible to genetically modify pigs and produce lower fat bacon. It doesn't exist today.
Do you mean uncured bacon? The main unhealthy part of bacon is all of the preservatives like nitrates that are in most bacon you buy today. You can buy uncured bacon which is much better, but I still don't know any experts that consider pork fat to be as healthy as plant fats like avocados/nuts/seeds. I would agree it isn't bad, just not as good as healthier fats.
Sorry...I may have used the wrong term here. I meant the pig's diet. Cows, chickens, pigs feed corn and given supplements to make them bigger and provide more milk/meat faster pass those substances along. Grass fed cows, free range chickens...and I'll be honest I'm not sure what the equivalent is for pigs is called but I'm sure it exists.
Bacon eaten in moderation (I'm not suggesting having a plate of bacon to snack on at work here) can be a good source of fat to improve satiation.6 -
lucerorojo wrote: »I can only respond based on my own experience. I started at 237 in July 2017. Initially I lost at 2 lbs. per week until I reached about 212 lbs. In that time I had also reinputted my stats at least 3 times into MFP. (Have you been doing that?? I hear that on the phone app you don't need to, but you do on the computer). You cannot continue to eat the same amount at 250 lbs. that you ate at 212 lbs. and expect to lose at the same rate. Your body needs much less.
By the time I got to 212 in order to lose 2 lbs. per week I was going to have to eat 1200 calories (or less because MFP will just stop at 1200 and will not show less). I tried that for four days and could not do it. So I tried 1.5 calories per week, but didn't like it so I just changed to 1 calorie per week, which I have been at since. I'm at 189 now, and okay with my progress. It is slower than I initially expected but I work at a job that I need to be alert and not crabby, so I am happy to eat 1550-1700 NET over the past 6-8 months to lose 1 lb. per week. Usually I'm eating 1800-2100 with exercise calories. A LOT better than eating 1200 calories and climbing the walls from hunger.
I think there is something about getting just over 200 lbs. for women, when it is difficult to lose at 2 lbs. per week because the deficit is too large (1000 calories) and there are no longer the fat stores to draw from.
I would recommend you 1) reinput your stats if you are on the computer. 2) change to 1-1.5 lbs. per week.
Can you comment on "reinput your stats if you are on the computer."? I use both the web and my iPhone for MFP and when I go into the web based site I see my current weight (as weighed this am on Nokia Body+ that gets shared to my phone, updates MFP app there which must have updated the web version). Is this not making adjustments in caloric intake?0
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