Flexible dieting vs clean eating
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@CharlieBeansmomTracey I don't eat donuts. I don't like cake or $10 individual cupcakes. We don't make our cornbread with sugar because that's cake. But I like homemade sourdough biscuits, cornbread, pan bread, bread bread and other people's bread. Stale bread and bread I was supposed to give to the ducks but I ate it myself because it reminded me of croutons. When I told myself I could no longer eat bread the cravings came roaring back. I have 3 or 4 kinds of bread in my house right now and none of them are calling my name. But it's there and I can have some every single day if I want to.
I no longer have to overthink anything. I celebrate everyone's freedom. Nice job all the way around.
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This time around I can honestly state that approximately 80% of everything I eat is more natural. Opposed to highly processed food. I was told you will learn to shop on the outside part of the store, and stay away from the inside aisles. For most part that is true. But that is my choice, and until I got back on MFP I really had not even heard the phrase clean eating. I had to look it up to see what it was, which was confusing to say the least. As way too many definitions of what it was or sought to be. And to lose weight gee what a concept yep that calorie deficit pops up. Everyone has insulin in their bodies, without it, well no one would be able to go on here about what it does and does not do.
But as a long time T2 diabetic, I can vouch that a hot fudge sundae will do the wrong kind of wonders for me than say a nice ribeye steak, with some asparagus. But what I plan to do, which I am working on is have a smaller piece of steak. And have some tasty flavored frozen yogurt and then a nice long walk afterwards. Which in turn should bring my blood sugars down to a respectful number.
Learning about planning ahead so that I have the calories, carbs, fats, and sugars planned for the day so I can enjoy. And not worry about a wild blood sugar spike. Same even goes other way for exercise have to be mindful it does not take a deep dive.
Whatever lifestyle change any of us choose to follow, I say Yay for us.4 -
T2 has special needs. Understood, Maureen. Tonight, I went to a gathering with some rodeo cowboys and cowgirls. They're athletes and some take really good care of themselves. They have a meeting place and it didn't have any lights in the parking lot for decades and decades. They recently decided to light the place up all night long. A cowboy who was in a bad way drove all of the way across country, saw the lights on and pulled in there.
Another cowboy drove by and saw the out-of-state truck so he pulled in and helped him out.
That what this place was for me. A light in a dreary world of dieting, dieting, dieting. It took a couple of years but it completely changed my mind about everything. I'm not going back.4 -
CICO is NOT that simple. it is way more complex than that. I've learned so much recently about insulin levels and how weight gain/loss is governed quite a bit hormonally. I would suggest reading the book The Obesity Code: Unlocking the Secrets of Weight Loss. Eye opening
I disagree. Technically, weight loss is dependent on eating less calories than you burn.
There are indeed medical conditions that can slow down weight loss, but that does not mean CICO is still not the man factor to losing weight, it just means that you have to find that calorie deficit sweet spot. If you suspect you have a medical condition that is stalling weight loss, it's time to make an appointment with a qualified medical professional.
I think a medical condition stalling weight loss is way less common than the problem being that we just don't realize we are eating at a surplus.
By the way, I have probably read just about every book regarding secrets about weight loss, and the one thing I learned is that there really are none, unless the real secret is within our own psyche and how we choose to travel our weight management journeys.
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chandraminick wrote: »I agree with so many of the posts above. I've lost almost 25 lbs in less than three months by only walking every day and cutting calories. Some weeks I cut to a pound a week, others 1.5 and others two. I choose according to how empowered I feel that week. I've been eating almost the same things at the same times of day though. It helps me to keep from having to make a hard choice or go hungry. Actually, I am eating yogurt with HFCS, lunchables with candy, boiled eggs with fatty yolks, and steak and pork and bread. All those things could be forbidden in a certain diet, but I eat them because they are convenient.
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WinoGelato wrote: »It’s always interesting to me how there can be countless people posting on a thread about how simple (again not easy, but simple) the concept of CICO is and how flexible dieting or IIFYM or all things in Moderation DOESN’T mean eat nothing but Twinkie’s - and many of these people have had great success with their weight loss, health and fitness goals - but one person has read some Fung and therefore that testament to how insulin, hormones and carbs make losing weight so impossible negates everything that every other poster in the thread has said.
Considering that I've lost about 180lbs (so far), all while eating carbs, including the "evil" ones....yep, white bread, candy, chips, cake, cookies, pizza, all manner of processed foods, and even the occasional Twinkie, (along with the healthy foods) I must be some kind of anomaly or alien species *sarcasm*. Because eating at a deficit while slowly incorporating daily exercise (some days it's just walking) couldn't possibly work.7 -
i don't understand how noodles are automatically "not clean". I guess that's why it is subjective. I prefer to eat organic and I try to pay attention to added chemicals in food. Doing that typically just makes me be more aware of whats going in my body and I try to make better choices.1
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@CharlieBeansmomTracey I don't eat donuts. I don't like cake or $10 individual cupcakes. We don't make our cornbread with sugar because that's cake. But I like homemade sourdough biscuits, cornbread, pan bread, bread bread and other people's bread. Stale bread and bread I was supposed to give to the ducks but I ate it myself because it reminded me of croutons. When I told myself I could no longer eat bread the cravings came roaring back. I have 3 or 4 kinds of bread in my house right now and none of them are calling my name. But it's there and I can have some every single day if I want to.
I no longer have to overthink anything. I celebrate everyone's freedom. Nice job all the way around.
thanks and we all do what we have to do Im not much for cupcakes either,and definitely not a $10 one lol. as I have gotten older many of those things I eat once in a blue moon as I lost my taste for lots of things like that. I love homemade bread but dont eat much bread as too much bread for me means a flare up of eczema so I limit it.4 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »@CharlieBeansmomTracey I don't eat donuts. I don't like cake or $10 individual cupcakes. We don't make our cornbread with sugar because that's cake. But I like homemade sourdough biscuits, cornbread, pan bread, bread bread and other people's bread. Stale bread and bread I was supposed to give to the ducks but I ate it myself because it reminded me of croutons. When I told myself I could no longer eat bread the cravings came roaring back. I have 3 or 4 kinds of bread in my house right now and none of them are calling my name. But it's there and I can have some every single day if I want to.
I no longer have to overthink anything. I celebrate everyone's freedom. Nice job all the way around.
thanks and we all do what we have to do Im not much for cupcakes either,and definitely not a $10 one lol. as I have gotten older many of those things I eat once in a blue moon as I lost my taste for lots of things like that. I love homemade bread but dont eat much bread as too much bread for me means a flare up of eczema so I limit it.
It's amazing how taste buds actually change. I used to be a heavy fried food eater. I honestly don't miss it too much. I do air fry, it's very similar tasting imho.2 -
psychod787 wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »@CharlieBeansmomTracey I don't eat donuts. I don't like cake or $10 individual cupcakes. We don't make our cornbread with sugar because that's cake. But I like homemade sourdough biscuits, cornbread, pan bread, bread bread and other people's bread. Stale bread and bread I was supposed to give to the ducks but I ate it myself because it reminded me of croutons. When I told myself I could no longer eat bread the cravings came roaring back. I have 3 or 4 kinds of bread in my house right now and none of them are calling my name. But it's there and I can have some every single day if I want to.
I no longer have to overthink anything. I celebrate everyone's freedom. Nice job all the way around.
thanks and we all do what we have to do Im not much for cupcakes either,and definitely not a $10 one lol. as I have gotten older many of those things I eat once in a blue moon as I lost my taste for lots of things like that. I love homemade bread but dont eat much bread as too much bread for me means a flare up of eczema so I limit it.
It's amazing how taste buds actually change. I used to be a heavy fried food eater. I honestly don't miss it too much. I do air fry, it's very similar tasting imho.
yep same here. used to love fried foods although with my health issue I cant eat much if any. some fried foods actually cause me stomach issues so I avoid it. I used to eat a lot of chips(or crisps for those in the UK), now adays everything we eat is either baked or grilled. or cooked in the slow cooker(crockpot).1 -
Yaassss. Remember when you craved sugar as a kid. Licorice, gummy bears, popcorn balls and candy bars. Something happens and it goes away. Cravings and food triggers definitely change. Baking cookies and eating half of the batch. Homemade caramels, only we said carmels. Car-a-mels sounds so pretentious. Carmel apples and carmels with pecans. Peanut butter sandwiches with 'tata chips for crunch. I cannot remember the last time I ate a peanut butter sandwich.0
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justinkimcentral wrote: »
@justinkimcentral You asked whether you would burn the same amount of fat eating mostly "clean" with the occasional "unclean" food as you would eating a totally "clean" diet. The way you worded your question made it seem like you genuinely didn't know and wanted to hear from experienced people who did know the answer.
Now after reading all these well-thought-out responses with sources from knowledgeable members of the community, the completely misinformed post above this response is the one you decided to go with?
If your mind was already made up then why ask in the first place?16 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »@justinkimcentral You asked whether you would burn the same amount of fat eating mostly "clean" with the occasional "unclean" food as you would eating a totally "clean" diet. The way you worded your question made it seem like you genuinely didn't know and wanted to hear from experienced people who did know the answer.
Now after reading all these well-thought-out responses with sources from knowledgeable members of the community, the completely misinformed post above this response is the one you decided to go with?
If your mind was already made up then why ask in the first place?
Almost a troll-ish thing to do.
Regardless of the reasons I enjoyed many of the responses as I am sure others did so it wasn't a complete waste of time.
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »justinkimcentral wrote: »
@justinkimcentral You asked whether you would burn the same amount of fat eating mostly "clean" with the occasional "unclean" food as you would eating a totally "clean" diet. The way you worded your question made it seem like you genuinely didn't know and wanted to hear from experienced people who did know the answer.
Now after reading all these well-thought-out responses with sources from knowledgeable members of the community, the completely misinformed post above this response is the one you decided to go with?
If your mind was already made up then why ask in the first place?
The fact that we need to eat less food, well calories, does not sell books or fit a magic effortless bullet.8 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »@justinkimcentral You asked whether you would burn the same amount of fat eating mostly "clean" with the occasional "unclean" food as you would eating a totally "clean" diet. The way you worded your question made it seem like you genuinely didn't know and wanted to hear from experienced people who did know the answer.
Now after reading all these well-thought-out responses with sources from knowledgeable members of the community, the completely misinformed post above this response is the one you decided to go with?
If your mind was already made up then why ask in the first place?
Almost a troll-ish thing to do.
Regardless of the reasons I enjoyed many of the responses as I am sure others did so it wasn't a complete waste of time.
Agreed. I do enjoy these types of threads because these are what helped me the most in the beginning. I learned so much from discussions like this one when I was just starting out.psychod787 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »justinkimcentral wrote: »
@justinkimcentral You asked whether you would burn the same amount of fat eating mostly "clean" with the occasional "unclean" food as you would eating a totally "clean" diet. The way you worded your question made it seem like you genuinely didn't know and wanted to hear from experienced people who did know the answer.
Now after reading all these well-thought-out responses with sources from knowledgeable members of the community, the completely misinformed post above this response is the one you decided to go with?
If your mind was already made up then why ask in the first place?
The fact that we need to eat less food, well calories, does not sell books or fit a magic effortless bullet.
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »@CharlieBeansmomTracey I don't eat donuts. I don't like cake or $10 individual cupcakes. We don't make our cornbread with sugar because that's cake. But I like homemade sourdough biscuits, cornbread, pan bread, bread bread and other people's bread. Stale bread and bread I was supposed to give to the ducks but I ate it myself because it reminded me of croutons. When I told myself I could no longer eat bread the cravings came roaring back. I have 3 or 4 kinds of bread in my house right now and none of them are calling my name. But it's there and I can have some every single day if I want to.
I no longer have to overthink anything. I celebrate everyone's freedom. Nice job all the way around.
thanks and we all do what we have to do Im not much for cupcakes either,and definitely not a $10 one lol. as I have gotten older many of those things I eat once in a blue moon as I lost my taste for lots of things like that. I love homemade bread but dont eat much bread as too much bread for me means a flare up of eczema so I limit it.
It's amazing how taste buds actually change. I used to be a heavy fried food eater. I honestly don't miss it too much. I do air fry, it's very similar tasting imho.
yep same here. used to love fried foods although with my health issue I cant eat much if any. some fried foods actually cause me stomach issues so I avoid it. I used to eat a lot of chips(or crisps for those in the UK), now adays everything we eat is either baked or grilled. or cooked in the slow cooker(crockpot).
I used to love coca cola and chips as a teenager, these days I don't care for them. Even when I am bulking, I don't even bother to incorporate them into my diet.2 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »@CharlieBeansmomTracey I don't eat donuts. I don't like cake or $10 individual cupcakes. We don't make our cornbread with sugar because that's cake. But I like homemade sourdough biscuits, cornbread, pan bread, bread bread and other people's bread. Stale bread and bread I was supposed to give to the ducks but I ate it myself because it reminded me of croutons. When I told myself I could no longer eat bread the cravings came roaring back. I have 3 or 4 kinds of bread in my house right now and none of them are calling my name. But it's there and I can have some every single day if I want to.
I no longer have to overthink anything. I celebrate everyone's freedom. Nice job all the way around.
thanks and we all do what we have to do Im not much for cupcakes either,and definitely not a $10 one lol. as I have gotten older many of those things I eat once in a blue moon as I lost my taste for lots of things like that. I love homemade bread but dont eat much bread as too much bread for me means a flare up of eczema so I limit it.
It's amazing how taste buds actually change. I used to be a heavy fried food eater. I honestly don't miss it too much. I do air fry, it's very similar tasting imho.
yep same here. used to love fried foods although with my health issue I cant eat much if any. some fried foods actually cause me stomach issues so I avoid it. I used to eat a lot of chips(or crisps for those in the UK), now adays everything we eat is either baked or grilled. or cooked in the slow cooker(crockpot).
I used to love coca cola and chips as a teenager, these days I don't care for them. Even when I am bulking, I don't even bother to incorporate them into my diet.
I still have coca cola just diet now Id rather save calories and carbs for something else.even diet soda I have one once in awhile2 -
psychod787 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »justinkimcentral wrote: »
@justinkimcentral You asked whether you would burn the same amount of fat eating mostly "clean" with the occasional "unclean" food as you would eating a totally "clean" diet. The way you worded your question made it seem like you genuinely didn't know and wanted to hear from experienced people who did know the answer.
Now after reading all these well-thought-out responses with sources from knowledgeable members of the community, the completely misinformed post above this response is the one you decided to go with?
If your mind was already made up then why ask in the first place?
The fact that we need to eat less food, well calories, does not sell books or fit a magic effortless bullet.
Funnily enough, I like diet books. Not the specific food type kind, but more the strategy kind. I usually find some valuable ideas even if I don't agree with the premise of the book as an absolute system. The dieting industry still makes money off of me. If one is creative enough, the book would sell without having to go full woo. The problem is that less fantastical ideas are harder to write convincingly and require more effort. Using cheap tactics like blaming and disputing diets, fearmongering, magic beans, and "what they don't want you to know" sounds like a more appealing option.3 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »justinkimcentral wrote: »
@justinkimcentral You asked whether you would burn the same amount of fat eating mostly "clean" with the occasional "unclean" food as you would eating a totally "clean" diet. The way you worded your question made it seem like you genuinely didn't know and wanted to hear from experienced people who did know the answer.
Now after reading all these well-thought-out responses with sources from knowledgeable members of the community, the completely misinformed post above this response is the one you decided to go with?
If your mind was already made up then why ask in the first place?
The fact that we need to eat less food, well calories, does not sell books or fit a magic effortless bullet.
Funnily enough, I like diet books. Not the specific food type kind, but more the strategy kind. I usually find some valuable ideas even if I don't agree with the premise of the book as an absolute system. The dieting industry still makes money off of me. If one is creative enough, the book would sell without having to go full woo. The problem is that less fantastical ideas are harder to write convincingly and require more effort. Using cheap tactics like blaming and disputing diets, fearmongering, magic beans, and "what they don't want you to know" sounds like a more appealing option.
Nothing wrong with taking many ideas and forming your own. I personally am not opposed to "clean" eating, as long as people track or at the least are very mindful. I know that calories drive weight loss or gain, but people tend to forget about micro nutrients. Something that most processed foods are lacking. Could I balloon the kitten back up by eating clean and not tracking? Hell yes! Avacado and almonds are amazing! I tend to follow the 80-90% suggestion. Most of our diet should be from nutrient dense minimally processed sources. I tend to flex a little these days. I love my halo top and enlightened icecream. If that little bit keeps be from going on a bender so be it. This used to be me when I would super restrict......
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amusedmonkey wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »justinkimcentral wrote: »
@justinkimcentral You asked whether you would burn the same amount of fat eating mostly "clean" with the occasional "unclean" food as you would eating a totally "clean" diet. The way you worded your question made it seem like you genuinely didn't know and wanted to hear from experienced people who did know the answer.
Now after reading all these well-thought-out responses with sources from knowledgeable members of the community, the completely misinformed post above this response is the one you decided to go with?
If your mind was already made up then why ask in the first place?
The fact that we need to eat less food, well calories, does not sell books or fit a magic effortless bullet.
Funnily enough, I like diet books. Not the specific food type kind, but more the strategy kind. I usually find some valuable ideas even if I don't agree with the premise of the book as an absolute system. The dieting industry still makes money off of me. If one is creative enough, the book would sell without having to go full woo. The problem is that less fantastical ideas are harder to write convincingly and require more effort. Using cheap tactics like blaming and disputing diets, fearmongering, magic beans, and "what they don't want you to know" sounds like a more appealing option.
I've read a lot of food related books that were mentioned here - but I get them all from the library
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As long as my cookie didn't fall on the floor - it's clean.
If you eat a fairly healthy diet, eating extra doesn't earn you bonus points.
I've done best at eating ~75% healthy (fresh fruit & veggies, lean protiens, complex carbs/whole grains), the rest - snacks and less than "clean" foods. Doing this I have never felt deprived or ended up with severe cravings that lead to binging on stuff.
Look up Olympic athletes eating on YouTube - they have interviews showing what they eat, and guess what, it's NOT "clean eating", and these are the best athletes in the world that need to be at thier best for competition.
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kshama2001 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »justinkimcentral wrote: »
@justinkimcentral You asked whether you would burn the same amount of fat eating mostly "clean" with the occasional "unclean" food as you would eating a totally "clean" diet. The way you worded your question made it seem like you genuinely didn't know and wanted to hear from experienced people who did know the answer.
Now after reading all these well-thought-out responses with sources from knowledgeable members of the community, the completely misinformed post above this response is the one you decided to go with?
If your mind was already made up then why ask in the first place?
The fact that we need to eat less food, well calories, does not sell books or fit a magic effortless bullet.
Funnily enough, I like diet books. Not the specific food type kind, but more the strategy kind. I usually find some valuable ideas even if I don't agree with the premise of the book as an absolute system. The dieting industry still makes money off of me. If one is creative enough, the book would sell without having to go full woo. The problem is that less fantastical ideas are harder to write convincingly and require more effort. Using cheap tactics like blaming and disputing diets, fearmongering, magic beans, and "what they don't want you to know" sounds like a more appealing option.
I've read a lot of food related books that were mentioned here - but I get them all from the library
Lucky. I don't have that option.0 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Freedom comes from being aware of what truly makes you happy and taking full responsibility for this. There's imaginary food freedom with rigid rules and regulations. Compartmentalized eating. A corresponding rule for every situation while you're out on the town or over at grandma's house. If you should come across a donut, take two bites and quickly throw the rest in the trash. It's sooo not worth it to throw giant month hunks of that rigid eating protocol down the drain with a donut. If you should eat more than 12 potato chips that will require a food reset and more rigid dialed down eating to compensate, get yourself back in line.
That is a food prison. I'm not going out like that. I refuse to define food through the bias of someone's else's disordered thoughts about food. Calling it freedom when it's a food prison is another disconnect for the brain. Rephrasing old dieting terms with new words = still a diet. That's just slick marketing.
Im going to eat the whole donut and go on with life. but thats me lol
Seriously. Eating the whole donut is a heck of a lot more normalized and less disordered than eating two bites and tossing the rest.5 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »justinkimcentral wrote: »
@justinkimcentral You asked whether you would burn the same amount of fat eating mostly "clean" with the occasional "unclean" food as you would eating a totally "clean" diet. The way you worded your question made it seem like you genuinely didn't know and wanted to hear from experienced people who did know the answer.
Now after reading all these well-thought-out responses with sources from knowledgeable members of the community, the completely misinformed post above this response is the one you decided to go with?
If your mind was already made up then why ask in the first place?
The fact that we need to eat less food, well calories, does not sell books or fit a magic effortless bullet.
Funnily enough, I like diet books. Not the specific food type kind, but more the strategy kind. I usually find some valuable ideas even if I don't agree with the premise of the book as an absolute system. The dieting industry still makes money off of me. If one is creative enough, the book would sell without having to go full woo. The problem is that less fantastical ideas are harder to write convincingly and require more effort. Using cheap tactics like blaming and disputing diets, fearmongering, magic beans, and "what they don't want you to know" sounds like a more appealing option.
There are books that talk about simply eating less calories than you burn, you just need to find them. I for example learned everything I had to know about bulking and cutting with Mike Matthews books and the digital books I purchased on www.aworkoutroutine.com (the building muscles book aka how to bulk book and the fat loss books aka the how to cut book) . They don't promote any diets out there other than you need to eat less calories than you burn for cutting and the opposite for bulking. Of course the books go more into depth. My point is just that there are books out there who don't promote any fancy diets, just simple stuff.2 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »justinkimcentral wrote: »
@justinkimcentral You asked whether you would burn the same amount of fat eating mostly "clean" with the occasional "unclean" food as you would eating a totally "clean" diet. The way you worded your question made it seem like you genuinely didn't know and wanted to hear from experienced people who did know the answer.
Now after reading all these well-thought-out responses with sources from knowledgeable members of the community, the completely misinformed post above this response is the one you decided to go with?
If your mind was already made up then why ask in the first place?
The fact that we need to eat less food, well calories, does not sell books or fit a magic effortless bullet.
Funnily enough, I like diet books. Not the specific food type kind, but more the strategy kind. I usually find some valuable ideas even if I don't agree with the premise of the book as an absolute system. The dieting industry still makes money off of me. If one is creative enough, the book would sell without having to go full woo. The problem is that less fantastical ideas are harder to write convincingly and require more effort. Using cheap tactics like blaming and disputing diets, fearmongering, magic beans, and "what they don't want you to know" sounds like a more appealing option.
There are books that talk about simply eating less calories than you burn, you just need to find them. I for example learned everything I had to know about bulking and cutting with Mike Matthews books and the digital books I purchased on www.aworkoutroutine.com (the building muscles book aka how to bulk book and the fat loss books aka the how to cut book) . They don't promote any diets out there other than you need to eat less calories than you burn for cutting and the opposite for bulking. Of course the books go more into depth. My point is just that there are books out there who don't promote any fancy diets, just simple stuff.
Eric Helms' Muscle and Strength Pyramids is another excellent one. He goes into great depth about both nutrition and training, with no woo or silliness. Tom Venuto's Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle is pretty good as well.5 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Funnily enough, I like diet books. Not the specific food type kind, but more the strategy kind. I usually find some valuable ideas even if I don't agree with the premise of the book as an absolute system. The dieting industry still makes money off of me. If one is creative enough, the book would sell without having to go full woo. The problem is that less fantastical ideas are harder to write convincingly and require more effort. Using cheap tactics like blaming and disputing diets, fearmongering, magic beans, and "what they don't want you to know" sounds like a more appealing option.
I think if you have the common sense to study other somewhat reasonable diets without being taken in there are things to learn. I fully admit that I have incorporated things from the Mediterranean/South Beach diets into my system. I might only do it 3 or 4 times a month now but I still do liquid meal replacements too because sometimes they are handy which is something I learned from doing SlimFast all those years ago. From Atkins I took a look at low carb but realized I didn't need it but I found a benefit in making sure I had a certain ratio of protein to carbs when eating them.
What I pretty much disregard is any specific rules other than the calorie limit. I make my own rules.5 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »psychod787 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »justinkimcentral wrote: »
@justinkimcentral You asked whether you would burn the same amount of fat eating mostly "clean" with the occasional "unclean" food as you would eating a totally "clean" diet. The way you worded your question made it seem like you genuinely didn't know and wanted to hear from experienced people who did know the answer.
Now after reading all these well-thought-out responses with sources from knowledgeable members of the community, the completely misinformed post above this response is the one you decided to go with?
If your mind was already made up then why ask in the first place?
The fact that we need to eat less food, well calories, does not sell books or fit a magic effortless bullet.
Funnily enough, I like diet books. Not the specific food type kind, but more the strategy kind. I usually find some valuable ideas even if I don't agree with the premise of the book as an absolute system. The dieting industry still makes money off of me. If one is creative enough, the book would sell without having to go full woo. The problem is that less fantastical ideas are harder to write convincingly and require more effort. Using cheap tactics like blaming and disputing diets, fearmongering, magic beans, and "what they don't want you to know" sounds like a more appealing option.
There are books that talk about simply eating less calories than you burn, you just need to find them. I for example learned everything I had to know about bulking and cutting with Mike Matthews books and the digital books I purchased on www.aworkoutroutine.com (the building muscles book aka how to bulk book and the fat loss books aka the how to cut book) . They don't promote any diets out there other than you need to eat less calories than you burn for cutting and the opposite for bulking. Of course the books go more into depth. My point is just that there are books out there who don't promote any fancy diets, just simple stuff.
Eric Helms' Muscle and Strength Pyramids is another excellent one. He goes into great depth about both nutrition and training, with no woo or silliness. Tom Venuto's Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle is pretty good as well.
Yes anvil, but they are scientifically based. Who believes that in the media? Lol2 -
I eat a bit of everything....it keeps.me sane!!! I knew today was going to be a stressful day so I budgeted 10 chicken mcnuggets, 1 bbq sauce and a sugar free vanilla iced coffee at the end of my day ...didn't go over any macros and it tasted glorious. Didn't end up snacking and eating other food because I wasn't satisfied like I would have done if I had a healthy dinner lol (Ate 'clean' all day prior to the nugs)5
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