Is it possible to see results with light weights ?
concetta1123
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I’m totally new to bodybuilding and a bit confused as to what I should be doing. For reference, I’m 5’3, 134lbs, and I’m eating at maintenance but also focusing on consuming enough protein.
I’d love to build some muscle on my legs so I’ve begun to complete routines that target the area. I was doing 20lbs of resistance for my deadlifts, squats, hip raises, etc. yet I felt so much pressure on my back and my form was terrible, so I dropped down to 10lbs resistance. Using 10lbs, I feel the pressure on my glutes and my form is way better, but I always hear people say that lifting heavy is the only way to see results, and 10lbs isn’t heavy at all.
How much did you guys lift at the start of your bodybuilding journey ? Is it normal and productive to lift light and progress to the heavy stuff down the road ? And lastly, will I see results with the light weights or will I have to wait until I’m ready to use something heavier before I see any difference ?
Thanks for the advice ! (:
I’d love to build some muscle on my legs so I’ve begun to complete routines that target the area. I was doing 20lbs of resistance for my deadlifts, squats, hip raises, etc. yet I felt so much pressure on my back and my form was terrible, so I dropped down to 10lbs resistance. Using 10lbs, I feel the pressure on my glutes and my form is way better, but I always hear people say that lifting heavy is the only way to see results, and 10lbs isn’t heavy at all.
How much did you guys lift at the start of your bodybuilding journey ? Is it normal and productive to lift light and progress to the heavy stuff down the road ? And lastly, will I see results with the light weights or will I have to wait until I’m ready to use something heavier before I see any difference ?
Thanks for the advice ! (:
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yes. light weights high repetition count.2
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Initially sure. But what kind of rep range are you working in with the weights you currently have. And even more importantly, What are your long term goals?0
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Initially sure. But what kind of rep range are you working in with the weights you currently have. And even more importantly, What are your long term goals?
I usually do 4x15 with the current weights. My long term goals are to be and look more fit. I already have pretty muscular legs and arms, but my glutes are lacking and I’d like to add some muscle definition there so that overall I look stronger.0 -
Progressive overload is key but once you get to a point where you’re pushing 25+ reps it becomes more endurance training2
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Keep in mind that there is Type 1 Fibers and Type 2 Fibers (keeping that to a generic "2".....).
Type 1 fibers are the so-called "slow twitch" while Type 2 fibers are the so-called "fast twitch".
Low weight | high reps are good for Type 1 Fibers. High weight | low reps are good for Type 2 Fibers.
So, the question needs to be a bit more specific!2 -
pinggolfer96 wrote: »Progressive overload is key but once you get to a point where you’re pushing 25+ reps it becomes more endurance training
What is progressive overload? And how can I tell if I’m completing that while working out?0 -
To get results you will have to incrementally increase the weight. If you just stay at the same weight, you're not going to be doing much.concetta1123 wrote: »Initially sure. But what kind of rep range are you working in with the weights you currently have. And even more importantly, What are your long term goals?
I usually do 4x15 with the current weights. My long term goals are to be and look more fit. I already have pretty muscular legs and arms, but my glutes are lacking and I’d like to add some muscle definition there so that overall I look stronger.
You'd be better off working in the 8-12 rep range...over 12 reps and you're mostly training muscular endurance.1 -
concetta1123 wrote: »pinggolfer96 wrote: »Progressive overload is key but once you get to a point where you’re pushing 25+ reps it becomes more endurance training
What is progressive overload? And how can I tell if I’m completing that while working out?
Progressive overload is a concept by which you "make the training more difficult" (layman's terms). There are lots of ways to achieve this:
1. put more weight on the bar (either each session or each week)
2. do more reps at the same weight
3. decrease the rest period between sets
There is a link in MFP somewhere (as I have said before, I can never find these links) and I am pretty sure that Bret Contreras has a "what is progressive overload" article somewhere. I will find that and post the link. His detail will far surpass mine....
https://bretcontreras.com/progressive-overload/
https://bretcontreras.com/the-pitfalls-of-progressive-overload/3 -
LiftHeavyThings27105 wrote: »concetta1123 wrote: »pinggolfer96 wrote: »Progressive overload is key but once you get to a point where you’re pushing 25+ reps it becomes more endurance training
What is progressive overload? And how can I tell if I’m completing that while working out?
Progressive overload is a concept by which you "make the training more difficult" (layman's terms). There are lots of ways to achieve this:
1. put more weight on the bar (either each session or each week)
2. do more reps at the same weight
3. decrease the rest period between sets
There is a link in MFP somewhere (as I have said before, I can never find these links) and I am pretty sure that Bret Contreras has a "what is progressive overload" article somewhere. I will find that and post the link. His detail will far surpass mine....
https://bretcontreras.com/progressive-overload/
https://bretcontreras.com/the-pitfalls-of-progressive-overload/
Thanks so much, this is really helpful and I’m going to look over these links now!1 -
Yes, you can build muscle with lighter weights, you just have to be consistent about working out, and do higher repetitions using the lighter weights. I have a spinal cord injury which limits me to lifting no more than 10 pounds with my upper body. Most of time, I work out with 3 to 4 pound weights for each arm, and no more than 10 pounds when using machines. Usually 3 sets of 30 reps each per exercise twice per week. For lower body, I do a combination of body weight exercises like squats and lunges or use machines in the gym which don't require me to hold heavy dumbbells as I work my legs. You won't get big muscles, but you will get toned and stronger even using light weights.
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kristingjertsen wrote: »Yes, you can build muscle with lighter weights, you just have to be consistent about working out, and do higher repetitions using the lighter weights. I have a spinal cord injury which limits me to lifting no more than 10 pounds with my upper body. Most of time, I work out with 3 to 4 pound weights for each arm, and no more than 10 pounds when using machines. Usually 3 sets of 30 reps each per exercise twice per week. For lower body, I do a combination of body weight exercises like squats and lunges or use machines in the gym which don't require me to hold heavy dumbbells as I work my legs. You won't get big muscles, but you will get toned and stronger even using light weights.
you will get stronger to a point. but toned means losing the fat over the muscle to get a "toned" look. you cant tone muscle.eventually though you will have to keep doing more reps because it will get easier to lift that amount of weight and like cwolfman13 says that would be more muscular endurance traning.0 -
well everyone has to start out somewhere so start out at 10lbs and then work your way up, eventually you will get to heavier weights.3
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »well everyone has to start out somewhere so start out at 10lbs and then work your way up, eventually you will get to heavier weights.
+1 on this. Muscle can’t see or count weight, only push it. Stress the muscle with whatever weight and focus on your successes4 -
Light weight is fine to begin with; learn proper form, then increase reps ("perfect practice" > "practice makes perfect"). Build those motor patterns with the higher repetition.
If you are into bodybuilding/improving body composition (Hypertrophy/fatloss cycles), there is no real need to risk injury with heavy weight (generally < 4-5 reps max effort). There is no need to always go to failure either with high reps - going to failure excessively in a workout session can be counter productive for progressive overload (generally ok to end a workout with 1 set to failure for a particular muscle group).
Hard part is determining what you are really capable of lifting heavy with good form (might want to check out Relative Perceived Exertion "RPE"). If you find yourself struggling to consistantly hit the same volume with a high reps/set scheme (not being able to recover properly), it's probably a good time to incorporate some lower rep heavier sets as a goal for progression or take more rest days (rearrange split if you are into that type of training)0 -
This is a very complicated topic mostly because different muscle groups have different fiber % compositions. Why you might see some respond with calves, rear delts, etc. with 25 rep sets, chest, triceps, etc. with 5 rep sets...a mix of both rep range schemes is generally good.LiftHeavyThings27105 wrote: »Keep in mind that there is Type 1 Fibers and Type 2 Fibers (keeping that to a generic "2".....).
Type 1 fibers are the so-called "slow twitch" while Type 2 fibers are the so-called "fast twitch".
Low weight | high reps are good for Type 1 Fibers. High weight | low reps are good for Type 2 Fibers.
So, the question needs to be a bit more specific!
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Hypertrophy can occur with little as 30% of your 1RM if your volume is correct and makes the weight a useful intensity.
Lifting heavy or light is subjective to th goals and strength of individual.
Someone who has goal of strength who can squat 200lb for a 1rm could work 140-160lbs at a useful rep set and achieve their goal, but might not drive strength optimally if their 1RM was 425. Though it might drive hypertrophy if the volume was correct for that individual.
There isn't one scheme that works for or all goals or individuals. There are general guidelines, but humans respond differently.1 -
concetta1123 wrote: »I’m totally new to bodybuilding and a bit confused as to what I should be doing. For reference, I’m 5’3, 134lbs, and I’m eating at maintenance but also focusing on consuming enough protein.
I’d love to build some muscle on my legs so I’ve begun to complete routines that target the area. I was doing 20lbs of resistance for my deadlifts, squats, hip raises, etc. yet I felt so much pressure on my back and my form was terrible, so I dropped down to 10lbs resistance. Using 10lbs, I feel the pressure on my glutes and my form is way better, but I always hear people say that lifting heavy is the only way to see results, and 10lbs isn’t heavy at all.
How much did you guys lift at the start of your bodybuilding journey ? Is it normal and productive to lift light and progress to the heavy stuff down the road ? And lastly, will I see results with the light weights or will I have to wait until I’m ready to use something heavier before I see any difference ?
Thanks for the advice ! (:
Yes! Technique, Form, Tempo, # of Sets, # of Reps are all variables you can control at your will. Even with 10lb weights, doing 3 sets of 15 counting 1 up, 1 down, is going to be vastly different from 3 sets of 12 counting 3 up. 3 down....or there are some who'll go up to 10 seconds at any side of the rep. Slower, controlled reps, with proper form and focus on the muscles you're working WILL not only give you results, but you'll gain a better foundation than if you try do to more with poor form and technique.
No shame in starting small. Constant, measured progress is all that matters and if the 10's become too easy, then find yourself some 15's and keep going!
No limits on whatever you want to do.
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Building muscle is through progressive overload and forced adaptation.
When your body builds muscle it is it's way of adapting to a stimulus. *repetitions causing micro tears.* to prevent those tears your body repairs and builds more muscle to combat that stimulus. Which is why you progressively add more weight to prevent your body from fully adapting.
Yes light weights will work *if they provide sufficient stimulus to cause damage and result in cellular regrowth and repair*
You will always feel pressure when using a loaded movement. Its part of the game. You have to learn to go through the movement properly and at the right speed. Were you trying to perform the movement fast and jerky?
For 10lbs question. You said you are 134lbs. How many times a day do your legs move that 134lbs from point A to point B? Hundreds if not thousands of times. So it will be unlikely to see any results from such a light weight. I would suggest getting a trainer to teach you the movements and follow a true hypertrophy program. Not something you threw together with some crayons and glue.
I am new to powerlifting but I trained to compete in physique for several years. You are going to need volume, intensity, overload, and calories if you want to see results and continue to make progress.
To answer your question about just starting weights
Bench 95lb max now 245lb
Squat 115 now 345
Deadlift 195 now 441
Overhead press 75 now 155
Just cause bicep curl 15lbsx8 now 40lbsx8
I started at 153 and am now 183. My numbers are crap for weight due to chasing the volume game for so long when I was going for ascetics. And recently made the switch to powerlifting.
Good luck and be prepared to hold back vomit nearly every day for the rest of your body building career.1 -
Building muscle is through progressive overload and forced adaptation.
When your body builds muscle it is it's way of adapting to a stimulus. *repetitions causing micro tears.* to prevent those tears your body repairs and builds more muscle to combat that stimulus. Which is why you progressively add more weight to prevent your body from fully adapting.
Yes light weights will work *if they provide sufficient stimulus to cause damage and result in cellular regrowth and repair*
You will always feel pressure when using a loaded movement. Its part of the game. You have to learn to go through the movement properly and at the right speed. Were you trying to perform the movement fast and jerky?
For 10lbs question. You said you are 134lbs. How many times a day do your legs move that 134lbs from point A to point B? Hundreds if not thousands of times. So it will be unlikely to see any results from such a light weight. I would suggest getting a trainer to teach you the movements and follow a true hypertrophy program. Not something you threw together with some crayons and glue.
I am new to powerlifting but I trained to compete in physique for several years. You are going to need volume, intensity, overload, and calories if you want to see results and continue to make progress.
To answer your question about just starting weights
Bench 95lb max now 245lb
Squat 115 now 345
Deadlift 195 now 441
Overhead press 75 now 155
Just cause bicep curl 15lbsx8 now 40lbsx8
I started at 153 and am now 183. My numbers are crap for weight due to chasing the volume game for so long when I was going for ascetics. And recently made the switch to powerlifting.
Good luck and be prepared to hold back vomit nearly every day for the rest of your body building career.
why would someone have to hold back vomit? no one should be working hard enough to vomit. as for starting weights not everyone can start out at a high number like you did. especially if form isnt correct and you dont have the strentght to lift that heavy. some of us have to start lower and work our way up which is the safe thing to do.12 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Building muscle is through progressive overload and forced adaptation.
When your body builds muscle it is it's way of adapting to a stimulus. *repetitions causing micro tears.* to prevent those tears your body repairs and builds more muscle to combat that stimulus. Which is why you progressively add more weight to prevent your body from fully adapting.
Yes light weights will work *if they provide sufficient stimulus to cause damage and result in cellular regrowth and repair*
You will always feel pressure when using a loaded movement. Its part of the game. You have to learn to go through the movement properly and at the right speed. Were you trying to perform the movement fast and jerky?
For 10lbs question. You said you are 134lbs. How many times a day do your legs move that 134lbs from point A to point B? Hundreds if not thousands of times. So it will be unlikely to see any results from such a light weight. I would suggest getting a trainer to teach you the movements and follow a true hypertrophy program. Not something you threw together with some crayons and glue.
I am new to powerlifting but I trained to compete in physique for several years. You are going to need volume, intensity, overload, and calories if you want to see results and continue to make progress.
To answer your question about just starting weights
Bench 95lb max now 245lb
Squat 115 now 345
Deadlift 195 now 441
Overhead press 75 now 155
Just cause bicep curl 15lbsx8 now 40lbsx8
I started at 153 and am now 183. My numbers are crap for weight due to chasing the volume game for so long when I was going for ascetics. And recently made the switch to powerlifting.
Good luck and be prepared to hold back vomit nearly every day for the rest of your body building career.
why would someone have to hold back vomit? no one should be working hard enough to vomit. as for starting weights not everyone can start out at a high number like you did. especially if form isnt correct and you dont have the strentght to lift that heavy. some of us have to start lower and work our way up which is the safe thing to do.
You've clearly never bulked. I'm referring to meeting sufficient energy intake in order to fuel muscle growth. Buuuut good try.10 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Building muscle is through progressive overload and forced adaptation.
When your body builds muscle it is it's way of adapting to a stimulus. *repetitions causing micro tears.* to prevent those tears your body repairs and builds more muscle to combat that stimulus. Which is why you progressively add more weight to prevent your body from fully adapting.
Yes light weights will work *if they provide sufficient stimulus to cause damage and result in cellular regrowth and repair*
You will always feel pressure when using a loaded movement. Its part of the game. You have to learn to go through the movement properly and at the right speed. Were you trying to perform the movement fast and jerky?
For 10lbs question. You said you are 134lbs. How many times a day do your legs move that 134lbs from point A to point B? Hundreds if not thousands of times. So it will be unlikely to see any results from such a light weight. I would suggest getting a trainer to teach you the movements and follow a true hypertrophy program. Not something you threw together with some crayons and glue.
I am new to powerlifting but I trained to compete in physique for several years. You are going to need volume, intensity, overload, and calories if you want to see results and continue to make progress.
To answer your question about just starting weights
Bench 95lb max now 245lb
Squat 115 now 345
Deadlift 195 now 441
Overhead press 75 now 155
Just cause bicep curl 15lbsx8 now 40lbsx8
I started at 153 and am now 183. My numbers are crap for weight due to chasing the volume game for so long when I was going for ascetics. And recently made the switch to powerlifting.
Good luck and be prepared to hold back vomit nearly every day for the rest of your body building career.
why would someone have to hold back vomit? no one should be working hard enough to vomit. as for starting weights not everyone can start out at a high number like you did. especially if form isnt correct and you dont have the strentght to lift that heavy. some of us have to start lower and work our way up which is the safe thing to do.
You've clearly never bulked. I'm referring to meeting sufficient energy intake in order to fuel muscle growth. Buuuut good try.
this is subjective. you're clearly an a**. she's right and just trying to help.14 -
pinggolfer96 wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Building muscle is through progressive overload and forced adaptation.
When your body builds muscle it is it's way of adapting to a stimulus. *repetitions causing micro tears.* to prevent those tears your body repairs and builds more muscle to combat that stimulus. Which is why you progressively add more weight to prevent your body from fully adapting.
Yes light weights will work *if they provide sufficient stimulus to cause damage and result in cellular regrowth and repair*
You will always feel pressure when using a loaded movement. Its part of the game. You have to learn to go through the movement properly and at the right speed. Were you trying to perform the movement fast and jerky?
For 10lbs question. You said you are 134lbs. How many times a day do your legs move that 134lbs from point A to point B? Hundreds if not thousands of times. So it will be unlikely to see any results from such a light weight. I would suggest getting a trainer to teach you the movements and follow a true hypertrophy program. Not something you threw together with some crayons and glue.
I am new to powerlifting but I trained to compete in physique for several years. You are going to need volume, intensity, overload, and calories if you want to see results and continue to make progress.
To answer your question about just starting weights
Bench 95lb max now 245lb
Squat 115 now 345
Deadlift 195 now 441
Overhead press 75 now 155
Just cause bicep curl 15lbsx8 now 40lbsx8
I started at 153 and am now 183. My numbers are crap for weight due to chasing the volume game for so long when I was going for ascetics. And recently made the switch to powerlifting.
Good luck and be prepared to hold back vomit nearly every day for the rest of your body building career.
why would someone have to hold back vomit? no one should be working hard enough to vomit. as for starting weights not everyone can start out at a high number like you did. especially if form isnt correct and you dont have the strentght to lift that heavy. some of us have to start lower and work our way up which is the safe thing to do.
You've clearly never bulked. I'm referring to meeting sufficient energy intake in order to fuel muscle growth. Buuuut good try.
this is subjective. you're clearly an a**. she's right and just trying to help.
That may be so but she also made an assumption. So is it not fair that I in turn make an assumption or is that subjective as well?
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Building muscle is through progressive overload and forced adaptation.
When your body builds muscle it is it's way of adapting to a stimulus. *repetitions causing micro tears.* to prevent those tears your body repairs and builds more muscle to combat that stimulus. Which is why you progressively add more weight to prevent your body from fully adapting.
Yes light weights will work *if they provide sufficient stimulus to cause damage and result in cellular regrowth and repair*
You will always feel pressure when using a loaded movement. Its part of the game. You have to learn to go through the movement properly and at the right speed. Were you trying to perform the movement fast and jerky?
For 10lbs question. You said you are 134lbs. How many times a day do your legs move that 134lbs from point A to point B? Hundreds if not thousands of times. So it will be unlikely to see any results from such a light weight. I would suggest getting a trainer to teach you the movements and follow a true hypertrophy program. Not something you threw together with some crayons and glue.
I am new to powerlifting but I trained to compete in physique for several years. You are going to need volume, intensity, overload, and calories if you want to see results and continue to make progress.
To answer your question about just starting weights
Bench 95lb max now 245lb
Squat 115 now 345
Deadlift 195 now 441
Overhead press 75 now 155
Just cause bicep curl 15lbsx8 now 40lbsx8
I started at 153 and am now 183. My numbers are crap for weight due to chasing the volume game for so long when I was going for ascetics. And recently made the switch to powerlifting.
Good luck and be prepared to hold back vomit nearly every day for the rest of your body building career.
why would someone have to hold back vomit? no one should be working hard enough to vomit. as for starting weights not everyone can start out at a high number like you did. especially if form isnt correct and you dont have the strentght to lift that heavy. some of us have to start lower and work our way up which is the safe thing to do.
And also. If you read the entire post by the OP. They ASKED what our starting weights were. So I gave them followed by my current. It was not a "nut up or shut up post." It was meant to be informative. Same with putting her current weight lifted into context compared to what her body already does every day. You took it as a dig. But it wasn't. It was a straight forward post backed by years of work and scientifically backed information. Refer to doctor Brad schoenfelds research if you doubt me.
I apologize if my post was taken out of context. The vomit part was meant to be a joke. But yes. At the end of the day when you hzvdnt reached your calorie goal it does feel like you're stuffing bricks into an already full box.
I once again apologize if it was received different than intended2 -
I’ll vouch for how freaking gross and nauseous a real bulk makes me feel. If it wasn’t for calorie dense liquid help I’d want to vomit on a daily basis... nah, I usually feel that way anyways. For some folks forcing more than maintenance every single day becomes very unpleasant.
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Yes ..it can .0
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whats your point that I have never bulked? no not yet I havent and I wont push myself to the point of puking whether its with eating or exercise. I have eaten way over my maintenance many times in the past 5 years(not bulking) and never even came close to puking and one day I had over 5000 calories. thats way past my maintenance of 1900+ could I do it everyday? maybe but not that I would want to either.
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But then Im not looking to be a power lifter,body builder or anything of the sort either. Im just planning on building muscle which Im doing in a recomp for now which is what I want and need to be doing and its working, then bulk later on down the road.I do know how its done and what is required to do so.
if I have to force myself to feel unpleaseant and sick then forget it7 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »whats your point that I have never bulked? no not yet I havent and I wont push myself to the point of puking whether its with eating or exercise. I have eaten way over my maintenance many times in the past 5 years(not bulking) and never even came close to puking and one day I had over 5000 calories. thats way past my maintenance of 1900+ could I do it everyday? maybe but not that I would want to either.
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But then Im not looking to be a power lifter,body builder or anything of the sort either. Im just planning on building muscle which Im doing in a recomp for now which is what I want and need to be doing and its working, then bulk later on down the road.I do know how its done and what is required to do so.
if I have to force myself to feel unpleaseant and sick then forget it
Okay. And that's your choice. For those of us who choose to do what we need to do. In regards to bulking, know exactly how hard that push at the end of the day can be just to get those last 500 calories in. It's the hardest part about gaining muscle.
My point was that you made a statement based off of my post that was incorrect and not even regarding the same subject matter. That's all.2 -
If 20lb is causing you back pain on a variety of exercises then might it be possible you have a pre existing injury or condition?
If you're completely new to training, the squat and deadlift can be a challenging technical movement. They are not magical lifts, so there is nothing wrong with replacing them with the leg press and seated rows.3 -
10 lbs is what my husband uses for his wrist strengthening exercises... and he has a wrist injury. I'm going to second @pbryd and ask, if you feel pressure in your back with that little weight, do you have a pre existing injury? Have you had someone look at your back?
I started completely out of shape and very obese, and at first I did the 100 squat challenge, until I was able to do 100 bodyweight squats, before adding any weight at all. My initial test for the challenge I was able to do fewer than 10 bodyweight squats. Doing bodyweight for a period of time might be a good idea for you, to get a starting foundation for strength. When I started adding weight, I started with 60 lbs.
Properly executed squats you shouldn't primarily feel as a back exercise. If you are "tacoing" or folding forward when you lift, there are different ways of holding the bar which may be helpful. Or try dumbbell squats with a weight held in each hand.1 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »whats your point that I have never bulked? no not yet I havent and I wont push myself to the point of puking whether its with eating or exercise. I have eaten way over my maintenance many times in the past 5 years(not bulking) and never even came close to puking and one day I had over 5000 calories. thats way past my maintenance of 1900+ could I do it everyday? maybe but not that I would want to either.
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But then Im not looking to be a power lifter,body builder or anything of the sort either. Im just planning on building muscle which Im doing in a recomp for now which is what I want and need to be doing and its working, then bulk later on down the road.I do know how its done and what is required to do so.
if I have to force myself to feel unpleaseant and sick then forget it
Okay. And that's your choice. For those of us who choose to do what we need to do. In regards to bulking, know exactly how hard that push at the end of the day can be just to get those last 500 calories in. It's the hardest part about gaining muscle.
My point was that you made a statement based off of my post that was incorrect and not even regarding the same subject matter. That's all.
you said "Good luck and be prepared to hold back vomit nearly every day for the rest of your body building career" so to me that implies that you need to work hard enough that you feel you might vomit. how was that incorrect you stated it? you should have said it may be hard for you to get your calories in. but then again,what you may need calorie wise to bulk doesnt mean its going to be the same for another. so while for some it may be hard to get that last 500 calories in its not going to be that way for another.
IMO you made a blanket statement. I wont have any issues eating over my maintenance though because my maintenance is low for one. and I can eat big volumes of food and not feel like vomiting. as for the subject matter what you stated was brought up,I was just saying that not everyone has to work that hard to gain muscle,it may be enough for a person wanting to lift weights to not want to lift weights if they think they have to work hard enough or eat enough calories to make them want to puke to accomplish building muscle. when they dont have to.4
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