Is it possible to see results with light weights ?
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »whats your point that I have never bulked? no not yet I havent and I wont push myself to the point of puking whether its with eating or exercise. I have eaten way over my maintenance many times in the past 5 years(not bulking) and never even came close to puking and one day I had over 5000 calories. thats way past my maintenance of 1900+ could I do it everyday? maybe but not that I would want to either.
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But then Im not looking to be a power lifter,body builder or anything of the sort either. Im just planning on building muscle which Im doing in a recomp for now which is what I want and need to be doing and its working, then bulk later on down the road.I do know how its done and what is required to do so.
if I have to force myself to feel unpleaseant and sick then forget it
Okay. And that's your choice. For those of us who choose to do what we need to do. In regards to bulking, know exactly how hard that push at the end of the day can be just to get those last 500 calories in. It's the hardest part about gaining muscle.
My point was that you made a statement based off of my post that was incorrect and not even regarding the same subject matter. That's all.
you said "Good luck and be prepared to hold back vomit nearly every day for the rest of your body building career" so to me that implies that you need to work hard enough that you feel you might vomit. how was that incorrect you stated it? you should have said it may be hard for you to get your calories in. but then again,what you may need calorie wise to bulk doesnt mean its going to be the same for another. so while for some it may be hard to get that last 500 calories in its not going to be that way for another.
IMO you made a blanket statement. I wont have any issues eating over my maintenance though because my maintenance is low for one. and I can eat big volumes of food and not feel like vomiting. as for the subject matter what you stated was brought up,I was just saying that not everyone has to work that hard to gain muscle,it may be enough for a person wanting to lift weights to not want to lift weights if they think they have to work hard enough or eat enough calories to make them want to puke to accomplish building muscle. when they dont have to.
Why are you taking this personally? I was not directed towards you in anyway. So what if it was a blanket statement. There was no Ill intent behind it or discrimination. Yet here you are taking it into your own hands to feel has though you need to be offended.
I offered sound advice for the OP and all you have done is attempt to tear apart a statement in regard to being so full you feel like you're going to burst. Why dont you trying being constructive and aid the OP? Good for you if you are naturally able to stuff food into your stomach. You say 5000 calories. Tell me what did your intake that day consist of?
And building muscle is not easy for anyone except for the 1% genetically gifted and the drug enhanced. For the general population it is not easy. If it is so easy why haven't you marketed your techniques and become a sponsored athlete?
Seriously get off my back. I honestly feel like its because I'm a white bald Male that you are coming at me so hard.7 -
Chocolate, fruity mixed drinks, and pizza. Obviously thats how you bulk properly. /sarcasm.Tell me what did your intake that day consist of?
Seriously though, you don't expect people that have never bulked (Muscle, not fat) in their life to understand a clean bulk and how much food it really takes to get there, do you?
Lets put this in perspective. If you want to eat 3000 calories a day CLEANLY of rice and chicken (Not even counting low cal, high volume veggies), you would need to eat ~2800 grams of chicken, or 15 Cups of rice, or some combination of the two. Lets say half and half, you need 7.5 cups of rice and 1400 grams (over 3 lbs) of chicken.
Thats a LOT of food to eat in a day. Now consider that some bulks are over 5k calories and the comment about stuffing yourself makes a hell of a lot more sense
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Chocolate, fruity mixed drinks, and pizza. Obviously thats how you bulk properly. /sarcasm.Tell me what did your intake that day consist of?
Seriously though, you don't expect people that have never bulked (Muscle, not fat) in their life to understand a clean bulk and how much food it really takes to get there, do you?
Lets put this in perspective. If you want to eat 3000 calories a day CLEANLY of rice and chicken (Not even counting low cal, high volume veggies), you would need to eat ~2800 grams of chicken, or 15 Cups of rice, or some combination of the two. Lets say half and half, you need 7.5 cups of rice and 1400 grams (over 3 lbs) of chicken.
Thats a LOT of food to eat in a day. Now consider that some bulks are over 5k calories and the comment about stuffing yourself makes a hell of a lot more sense
FWIW, a "clean bulk" has nothing to do with the types of food you eat, it has to do with gaining muscle with while minimizing fat.9 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »whats your point that I have never bulked? no not yet I havent and I wont push myself to the point of puking whether its with eating or exercise. I have eaten way over my maintenance many times in the past 5 years(not bulking) and never even came close to puking and one day I had over 5000 calories. thats way past my maintenance of 1900+ could I do it everyday? maybe but not that I would want to either.
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But then Im not looking to be a power lifter,body builder or anything of the sort either. Im just planning on building muscle which Im doing in a recomp for now which is what I want and need to be doing and its working, then bulk later on down the road.I do know how its done and what is required to do so.
if I have to force myself to feel unpleaseant and sick then forget it
Okay. And that's your choice. For those of us who choose to do what we need to do. In regards to bulking, know exactly how hard that push at the end of the day can be just to get those last 500 calories in. It's the hardest part about gaining muscle.
My point was that you made a statement based off of my post that was incorrect and not even regarding the same subject matter. That's all.
you said "Good luck and be prepared to hold back vomit nearly every day for the rest of your body building career" so to me that implies that you need to work hard enough that you feel you might vomit. how was that incorrect you stated it? you should have said it may be hard for you to get your calories in. but then again,what you may need calorie wise to bulk doesnt mean its going to be the same for another. so while for some it may be hard to get that last 500 calories in its not going to be that way for another.
IMO you made a blanket statement. I wont have any issues eating over my maintenance though because my maintenance is low for one. and I can eat big volumes of food and not feel like vomiting. as for the subject matter what you stated was brought up,I was just saying that not everyone has to work that hard to gain muscle,it may be enough for a person wanting to lift weights to not want to lift weights if they think they have to work hard enough or eat enough calories to make them want to puke to accomplish building muscle. when they dont have to.
Why are you taking this personally? I was not directed towards you in anyway. So what if it was a blanket statement. There was no Ill intent behind it or discrimination. Yet here you are taking it into your own hands to feel has though you need to be offended.
I offered sound advice for the OP and all you have done is attempt to tear apart a statement in regard to being so full you feel like you're going to burst. Why dont you trying being constructive and aid the OP? Good for you if you are naturally able to stuff food into your stomach. You say 5000 calories. Tell me what did your intake that day consist of?
And building muscle is not easy for anyone except for the 1% genetically gifted and the drug enhanced. For the general population it is not easy. If it is so easy why haven't you marketed your techniques and become a sponsored athlete?
Seriously get off my back. I honestly feel like its because I'm a white bald Male that you are coming at me so hard.
actually you are assuming I am taking it personally and I am not. Im also not offended so another assumption. for me to list what I ate that day I would have to go back into my diary several months to see what it was. but I can tell you a lot of it was protein from meat, carbs and some fat as I have to do low fat due to a health issue. There are days I have over 3000 calories. I have logged as well.
yesterday I had like 2500. not counting the items I didnt log after closing my diary so closer to 2800 calories. at 140 lbs before I got fat(im not fat now Im only 35 lbs more than I was back then not that it matters) I could eat a whole medium pizza mself,and still eat would eat off and on the rest of the day and back then I didnt gain weight eating a lot. But thats me.
as for building muscle never once did I say it was easy,if I did please show me where?. you being a bald white dude has nothing to do with anything, you say get off your back because you feel Im coming at you? but youre saying I said this or that when no where it my statements did I say any of those things,
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so I dont know if you are mixing me up with someone else or reading into something thats not there,maybe its a comprehension issue not sure. Im sure as heck not an athlete,never claimed I was. and remember you came at me first just because I stated something you did say and said that it wasnt needed to be done that way.
you are the one that got bent out of shape and now think Im attacking you because of your looks? sorry but Im not racist how you look or the color you are makes no difference to me. if it were anyone else Id say the same thing. I dont discriminate sorry.
I also was construtctive and told the op that it was fine to start out with light weights and to work her weight up because she asked if it would work with light weights. so I did contribute to helping. But whatever bro you go on thinking whatever it is you want to.6 -
concetta1123 wrote: »LiftHeavyThings27105 wrote: »concetta1123 wrote: »pinggolfer96 wrote: »Progressive overload is key but once you get to a point where you’re pushing 25+ reps it becomes more endurance training
What is progressive overload? And how can I tell if I’m completing that while working out?
Progressive overload is a concept by which you "make the training more difficult" (layman's terms). There are lots of ways to achieve this:
1. put more weight on the bar (either each session or each week)
2. do more reps at the same weight
3. decrease the rest period between sets
There is a link in MFP somewhere (as I have said before, I can never find these links) and I am pretty sure that Bret Contreras has a "what is progressive overload" article somewhere. I will find that and post the link. His detail will far surpass mine....
https://bretcontreras.com/progressive-overload/
https://bretcontreras.com/the-pitfalls-of-progressive-overload/
Thanks so much, this is really helpful and I’m going to look over these links now!
Here are a few "local" links that may also be of interest:
Discussion about quite a few weight programs, most (if not all) of which incorporate some form of progressive overload: https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10332083/which-lifting-program-is-the-best-for-you
Presentation and discussion on changing your body composition while keeping your weight stable (neither gaining nor losing): https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10177803/recomposition-maintaining-weight-while-losing-fat
Also, for my part, I would concur with the folks that are asking about pre-existing injuries and/or insufficient recovery from prior workouts/exertions. As mentioned, starting is a good thing, and weight can come as your body is comfortable working with more (and more) up to the limit of your goals and/or physical limitations. There is nothing wrong with beginning with no additional weight load; your next step is always forward / up from there
Lifting programs and the strategies surrounding them are like religions to some people (as can be seen here), but I believe that most folks can agree that lifting something following proper form in a practiced and planned manner/program will be key to sustainable progress... So, starting is good; continuing is good; watching form will help you profit from your efforts while avoiding undesired injuries.2 -
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »whats your point that I have never bulked? no not yet I havent and I wont push myself to the point of puking whether its with eating or exercise. I have eaten way over my maintenance many times in the past 5 years(not bulking) and never even came close to puking and one day I had over 5000 calories. thats way past my maintenance of 1900+ could I do it everyday? maybe but not that I would want to either.
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But then Im not looking to be a power lifter,body builder or anything of the sort either. Im just planning on building muscle which Im doing in a recomp for now which is what I want and need to be doing and its working, then bulk later on down the road.I do know how its done and what is required to do so.
if I have to force myself to feel unpleaseant and sick then forget it
Okay. And that's your choice. For those of us who choose to do what we need to do. In regards to bulking, know exactly how hard that push at the end of the day can be just to get those last 500 calories in. It's the hardest part about gaining muscle.
My point was that you made a statement based off of my post that was incorrect and not even regarding the same subject matter. That's all.
you said "Good luck and be prepared to hold back vomit nearly every day for the rest of your body building career" so to me that implies that you need to work hard enough that you feel you might vomit. how was that incorrect you stated it? you should have said it may be hard for you to get your calories in. but then again,what you may need calorie wise to bulk doesnt mean its going to be the same for another. so while for some it may be hard to get that last 500 calories in its not going to be that way for another.
IMO you made a blanket statement. I wont have any issues eating over my maintenance though because my maintenance is low for one. and I can eat big volumes of food and not feel like vomiting. as for the subject matter what you stated was brought up,I was just saying that not everyone has to work that hard to gain muscle,it may be enough for a person wanting to lift weights to not want to lift weights if they think they have to work hard enough or eat enough calories to make them want to puke to accomplish building muscle. when they dont have to.
Why are you taking this personally? I was not directed towards you in anyway. So what if it was a blanket statement. There was no Ill intent behind it or discrimination. Yet here you are taking it into your own hands to feel has though you need to be offended.
I offered sound advice for the OP and all you have done is attempt to tear apart a statement in regard to being so full you feel like you're going to burst. Why dont you trying being constructive and aid the OP? Good for you if you are naturally able to stuff food into your stomach. You say 5000 calories. Tell me what did your intake that day consist of?
And building muscle is not easy for anyone except for the 1% genetically gifted and the drug enhanced. For the general population it is not easy. If it is so easy why haven't you marketed your techniques and become a sponsored athlete?
Seriously get off my back. I honestly feel like its because I'm a white bald Male that you are coming at me so hard.
actually you are assuming I am taking it personally and I am not. Im also not offended so another assumption. for me to list what I ate that day I would have to go back into my diary several months to see what it was. but I can tell you a lot of it was protein from meat, carbs and some fat as I have to do low fat due to a health issue. There are days I have over 3000 calories. I have logged as well.
yesterday I had like 2500. not counting the items I didnt log after closing my diary so closer to 2800 calories. at 140 lbs before I got fat(im not fat now Im only 35 lbs more than I was back then not that it matters) I could eat a whole medium pizza mself,and still eat would eat off and on the rest of the day and back then I didnt gain weight eating a lot. But thats me.
as for building muscle never once did I say it was easy,if I did please show me where?. you being a bald white dude has nothing to do with anything, you say get off your back because you feel Im coming at you? but youre saying I said this or that when no where it my statements did I say any of those things,
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so I dont know if you are mixing me up with someone else or reading into something thats not there,maybe its a comprehension issue not sure. Im sure as heck not an athlete,never claimed I was. and remember you came at me first just because I stated something you did say and said that it wasnt needed to be done that way.
you are the one that got bent out of shape and now think Im attacking you because of your looks? sorry but Im not racist how you look or the color you are makes no difference to me. if it were anyone else Id say the same thing. I dont discriminate sorry.
I also was construtctive and told the op that it was fine to start out with light weights and to work her weight up because she asked if it would work with light weights. so I did contribute to helping. But whatever bro you go on thinking whatever it is you want to.
"Not everyone has to work that hard to gain muscle" right there.
And I went at you after you assumed my comment about wanting to puke had anything to do with training and even after correcting you. You're still under the impression that's what I meant.
It is 100% okay to start out with light weights. At no point did I say it wasnt. Buuut if you reread my original post it stated. That in order to force adaptation you need to subject your body to a stimulus that it is not already adapted to. My comparison being lifting 10lbs opposed to the OPs legs carrying their full weight daily. Meaning it would be unlikely that such a light weight would be a sufficient stimulus for any real changes.
Also what about your dig about me starting at higher weights and saying the OP had to do the same. Or did you retract that statement after realizing it was in response to the OP asking what weights we started at? You made a dig. And were wrong. Accept it. And I don't care how much food you can eat. Just because one person can survive a bullet to the head doesn't mean we all can. I provide fact based information. You are going off of personal anecdotal experience, which is great. But when being applied to the vast majority. Its rarely the most optimal.4 -
For me putting on muscle mass is simple. Lift weights, eat steak, drink beer. Eat all the food. If you want to cut weight, continue to work your *kitten* off but go mostly vegetarian with a protein supplement because you have eat tons of food to get a couple hundred calories plus the extra carbs for energy.
LOL
That worked when I was a young buck, now I have to watch what I eat otherwise I have problems with the poop shoot. Still tho that general premise works. There is no reason to make things so complicated you end up with anger issues. Clean Bulk is dumb. Just build muscle and take it easy man.4 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »whats your point that I have never bulked? no not yet I havent and I wont push myself to the point of puking whether its with eating or exercise. I have eaten way over my maintenance many times in the past 5 years(not bulking) and never even came close to puking and one day I had over 5000 calories. thats way past my maintenance of 1900+ could I do it everyday? maybe but not that I would want to either.
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But then Im not looking to be a power lifter,body builder or anything of the sort either. Im just planning on building muscle which Im doing in a recomp for now which is what I want and need to be doing and its working, then bulk later on down the road.I do know how its done and what is required to do so.
if I have to force myself to feel unpleaseant and sick then forget it
Okay. And that's your choice. For those of us who choose to do what we need to do. In regards to bulking, know exactly how hard that push at the end of the day can be just to get those last 500 calories in. It's the hardest part about gaining muscle.
My point was that you made a statement based off of my post that was incorrect and not even regarding the same subject matter. That's all.
you said "Good luck and be prepared to hold back vomit nearly every day for the rest of your body building career" so to me that implies that you need to work hard enough that you feel you might vomit. how was that incorrect you stated it? you should have said it may be hard for you to get your calories in. but then again,what you may need calorie wise to bulk doesnt mean its going to be the same for another. so while for some it may be hard to get that last 500 calories in its not going to be that way for another.
IMO you made a blanket statement. I wont have any issues eating over my maintenance though because my maintenance is low for one. and I can eat big volumes of food and not feel like vomiting. as for the subject matter what you stated was brought up,I was just saying that not everyone has to work that hard to gain muscle,it may be enough for a person wanting to lift weights to not want to lift weights if they think they have to work hard enough or eat enough calories to make them want to puke to accomplish building muscle. when they dont have to.
Why are you taking this personally? I was not directed towards you in anyway. So what if it was a blanket statement. There was no Ill intent behind it or discrimination. Yet here you are taking it into your own hands to feel has though you need to be offended.
I offered sound advice for the OP and all you have done is attempt to tear apart a statement in regard to being so full you feel like you're going to burst. Why dont you trying being constructive and aid the OP? Good for you if you are naturally able to stuff food into your stomach. You say 5000 calories. Tell me what did your intake that day consist of?
And building muscle is not easy for anyone except for the 1% genetically gifted and the drug enhanced. For the general population it is not easy. If it is so easy why haven't you marketed your techniques and become a sponsored athlete?
Seriously get off my back. I honestly feel like its because I'm a white bald Male that you are coming at me so hard.
actually you are assuming I am taking it personally and I am not. Im also not offended so another assumption. for me to list what I ate that day I would have to go back into my diary several months to see what it was. but I can tell you a lot of it was protein from meat, carbs and some fat as I have to do low fat due to a health issue. There are days I have over 3000 calories. I have logged as well.
yesterday I had like 2500. not counting the items I didnt log after closing my diary so closer to 2800 calories. at 140 lbs before I got fat(im not fat now Im only 35 lbs more than I was back then not that it matters) I could eat a whole medium pizza mself,and still eat would eat off and on the rest of the day and back then I didnt gain weight eating a lot. But thats me.
as for building muscle never once did I say it was easy,if I did please show me where?. you being a bald white dude has nothing to do with anything, you say get off your back because you feel Im coming at you? but youre saying I said this or that when no where it my statements did I say any of those things,
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so I dont know if you are mixing me up with someone else or reading into something thats not there,maybe its a comprehension issue not sure. Im sure as heck not an athlete,never claimed I was. and remember you came at me first just because I stated something you did say and said that it wasnt needed to be done that way.
you are the one that got bent out of shape and now think Im attacking you because of your looks? sorry but Im not racist how you look or the color you are makes no difference to me. if it were anyone else Id say the same thing. I dont discriminate sorry.
I also was construtctive and told the op that it was fine to start out with light weights and to work her weight up because she asked if it would work with light weights. so I did contribute to helping. But whatever bro you go on thinking whatever it is you want to.
"Not everyone has to work that hard to gain muscle" right there.
And I went at you after you assumed my comment about wanting to puke had anything to do with training and even after correcting you. You're still under the impression that's what I meant.
It is 100% okay to start out with light weights. At no point did I say it wasnt. Buuut if you reread my original post it stated. That in order to force adaptation you need to subject your body to a stimulus that it is not already adapted to. My comparison being lifting 10lbs opposed to the OPs legs carrying their full weight daily. Meaning it would be unlikely that such a light weight would be a sufficient stimulus for any real changes.
Also what about your dig about me starting at higher weights and saying the OP had to do the same. Or did you retract that statement after realizing it was in response to the OP asking what weights we started at? You made a dig. And were wrong. Accept it. And I don't care how much food you can eat. Just because one person can survive a bullet to the head doesn't mean we all can. I provide fact based information. You are going off of personal anecdotal experience, which is great. But when being applied to the vast majority. Its rarely the most optimal.
Which is why I think we addressed you initially. Now you’re just being hypocritical cause what you stated is subjective....just sayin....
And fact based info? Where were your references/ citations to those “facts”?4 -
What on earth does clean bulking on thousands of calories have to do with this post? This poster does not need to eat thousands of calories to fuel her current lifting.
Take it to your own thread if you want to fight!8 -
rheddmobile wrote: »What on earth does clean bulking on thousands of calories have to do with this post? This poster does not need to eat thousands of calories to fuel her current lifting.
Take it to your own thread if you want to fight!
It has to do with this post completely. Avoiding misinformation given to the OP3 -
rheddmobile wrote: »What on earth does clean bulking on thousands of calories have to do with this post? This poster does not need to eat thousands of calories to fuel her current lifting.
Take it to your own thread if you want to fight!
This exactly, talk about vomiting and eating thousands of calories is just an attempt to appear hardcore.
If you don't agree with me, read this part of the original post again..For reference, I’m 5’3, 134lbs, and I’m eating at maintenance6 -
@concetta1123 OP there are a couple of things I'd say to you.
1. Forums are not really a great place to learn the basics as conversations can quickly go off track/get bogged down in irrelevant details/or turn into arguments.
To get a handle on the basics of things (actually it's a bit detailed but you can dip in and out if you're not a big reader).
https://www.strongerbyscience.com/complete-strength-training-guide/
2. When people say "lift heavy" they mean heavy for that particular person! What's heavy for me is different to you or to the next guy in the gym.
Also you don't have to (and probably shouldn't) lift the same weight for each of the exercises you listed (o:
3. You are almost certainly lifting more than 5lbs. The barbell will weigh way more than that (o:
If you are in a commercial gym with Oly bars it'll be 44lbs even a home barbell will probably weigh half of that.
4. Where you start doesn't matter. The journey matters. You've started the journey by starting to lift. Educate yourself and work hard and you WILL see results.6 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »whats your point that I have never bulked? no not yet I havent and I wont push myself to the point of puking whether its with eating or exercise. I have eaten way over my maintenance many times in the past 5 years(not bulking) and never even came close to puking and one day I had over 5000 calories. thats way past my maintenance of 1900+ could I do it everyday? maybe but not that I would want to either.
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But then Im not looking to be a power lifter,body builder or anything of the sort either. Im just planning on building muscle which Im doing in a recomp for now which is what I want and need to be doing and its working, then bulk later on down the road.I do know how its done and what is required to do so.
if I have to force myself to feel unpleaseant and sick then forget it
Okay. And that's your choice. For those of us who choose to do what we need to do. In regards to bulking, know exactly how hard that push at the end of the day can be just to get those last 500 calories in. It's the hardest part about gaining muscle.
My point was that you made a statement based off of my post that was incorrect and not even regarding the same subject matter. That's all.
you said "Good luck and be prepared to hold back vomit nearly every day for the rest of your body building career" so to me that implies that you need to work hard enough that you feel you might vomit. how was that incorrect you stated it? you should have said it may be hard for you to get your calories in. but then again,what you may need calorie wise to bulk doesnt mean its going to be the same for another. so while for some it may be hard to get that last 500 calories in its not going to be that way for another.
IMO you made a blanket statement. I wont have any issues eating over my maintenance though because my maintenance is low for one. and I can eat big volumes of food and not feel like vomiting. as for the subject matter what you stated was brought up,I was just saying that not everyone has to work that hard to gain muscle,it may be enough for a person wanting to lift weights to not want to lift weights if they think they have to work hard enough or eat enough calories to make them want to puke to accomplish building muscle. when they dont have to.
Why are you taking this personally? I was not directed towards you in anyway. So what if it was a blanket statement. There was no Ill intent behind it or discrimination. Yet here you are taking it into your own hands to feel has though you need to be offended.
I offered sound advice for the OP and all you have done is attempt to tear apart a statement in regard to being so full you feel like you're going to burst. Why dont you trying being constructive and aid the OP? Good for you if you are naturally able to stuff food into your stomach. You say 5000 calories. Tell me what did your intake that day consist of?
And building muscle is not easy for anyone except for the 1% genetically gifted and the drug enhanced. For the general population it is not easy. If it is so easy why haven't you marketed your techniques and become a sponsored athlete?
Seriously get off my back. I honestly feel like its because I'm a white bald Male that you are coming at me so hard.
actually you are assuming I am taking it personally and I am not. Im also not offended so another assumption. for me to list what I ate that day I would have to go back into my diary several months to see what it was. but I can tell you a lot of it was protein from meat, carbs and some fat as I have to do low fat due to a health issue. There are days I have over 3000 calories. I have logged as well.
yesterday I had like 2500. not counting the items I didnt log after closing my diary so closer to 2800 calories. at 140 lbs before I got fat(im not fat now Im only 35 lbs more than I was back then not that it matters) I could eat a whole medium pizza mself,and still eat would eat off and on the rest of the day and back then I didnt gain weight eating a lot. But thats me.
as for building muscle never once did I say it was easy,if I did please show me where?. you being a bald white dude has nothing to do with anything, you say get off your back because you feel Im coming at you? but youre saying I said this or that when no where it my statements did I say any of those things,
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so I dont know if you are mixing me up with someone else or reading into something thats not there,maybe its a comprehension issue not sure. Im sure as heck not an athlete,never claimed I was. and remember you came at me first just because I stated something you did say and said that it wasnt needed to be done that way.
you are the one that got bent out of shape and now think Im attacking you because of your looks? sorry but Im not racist how you look or the color you are makes no difference to me. if it were anyone else Id say the same thing. I dont discriminate sorry.
I also was construtctive and told the op that it was fine to start out with light weights and to work her weight up because she asked if it would work with light weights. so I did contribute to helping. But whatever bro you go on thinking whatever it is you want to.
"Not everyone has to work that hard to gain muscle" right there.
And I went at you after you assumed my comment about wanting to puke had anything to do with training and even after correcting you. You're still under the impression that's what I meant.
It is 100% okay to start out with light weights. At no point did I say it wasnt. Buuut if you reread my original post it stated. That in order to force adaptation you need to subject your body to a stimulus that it is not already adapted to. My comparison being lifting 10lbs opposed to the OPs legs carrying their full weight daily. Meaning it would be unlikely that such a light weight would be a sufficient stimulus for any real changes.
Also what about your dig about me starting at higher weights and saying the OP had to do the same. Or did you retract that statement after realizing it was in response to the OP asking what weights we started at? You made a dig. And were wrong. Accept it. And I don't care how much food you can eat. Just because one person can survive a bullet to the head doesn't mean we all can. I provide fact based information. You are going off of personal anecdotal experience, which is great. But when being applied to the vast majority. Its rarely the most optimal.
dude you just want to argue and it aint happening at least not with me. I said what I had to say. so ta-ta2 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »whats your point that I have never bulked? no not yet I havent and I wont push myself to the point of puking whether its with eating or exercise. I have eaten way over my maintenance many times in the past 5 years(not bulking) and never even came close to puking and one day I had over 5000 calories. thats way past my maintenance of 1900+ could I do it everyday? maybe but not that I would want to either.
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But then Im not looking to be a power lifter,body builder or anything of the sort either. Im just planning on building muscle which Im doing in a recomp for now which is what I want and need to be doing and its working, then bulk later on down the road.I do know how its done and what is required to do so.
if I have to force myself to feel unpleaseant and sick then forget it
Okay. And that's your choice. For those of us who choose to do what we need to do. In regards to bulking, know exactly how hard that push at the end of the day can be just to get those last 500 calories in. It's the hardest part about gaining muscle.
My point was that you made a statement based off of my post that was incorrect and not even regarding the same subject matter. That's all.
you said "Good luck and be prepared to hold back vomit nearly every day for the rest of your body building career" so to me that implies that you need to work hard enough that you feel you might vomit. how was that incorrect you stated it? you should have said it may be hard for you to get your calories in. but then again,what you may need calorie wise to bulk doesnt mean its going to be the same for another. so while for some it may be hard to get that last 500 calories in its not going to be that way for another.
IMO you made a blanket statement. I wont have any issues eating over my maintenance though because my maintenance is low for one. and I can eat big volumes of food and not feel like vomiting. as for the subject matter what you stated was brought up,I was just saying that not everyone has to work that hard to gain muscle,it may be enough for a person wanting to lift weights to not want to lift weights if they think they have to work hard enough or eat enough calories to make them want to puke to accomplish building muscle. when they dont have to.
Why are you taking this personally? I was not directed towards you in anyway. So what if it was a blanket statement. There was no Ill intent behind it or discrimination. Yet here you are taking it into your own hands to feel has though you need to be offended.
I offered sound advice for the OP and all you have done is attempt to tear apart a statement in regard to being so full you feel like you're going to burst. Why dont you trying being constructive and aid the OP? Good for you if you are naturally able to stuff food into your stomach. You say 5000 calories. Tell me what did your intake that day consist of?
And building muscle is not easy for anyone except for the 1% genetically gifted and the drug enhanced. For the general population it is not easy. If it is so easy why haven't you marketed your techniques and become a sponsored athlete?
Seriously get off my back. I honestly feel like its because I'm a white bald Male that you are coming at me so hard.
actually you are assuming I am taking it personally and I am not. Im also not offended so another assumption. for me to list what I ate that day I would have to go back into my diary several months to see what it was. but I can tell you a lot of it was protein from meat, carbs and some fat as I have to do low fat due to a health issue. There are days I have over 3000 calories. I have logged as well.
yesterday I had like 2500. not counting the items I didnt log after closing my diary so closer to 2800 calories. at 140 lbs before I got fat(im not fat now Im only 35 lbs more than I was back then not that it matters) I could eat a whole medium pizza mself,and still eat would eat off and on the rest of the day and back then I didnt gain weight eating a lot. But thats me.
as for building muscle never once did I say it was easy,if I did please show me where?. you being a bald white dude has nothing to do with anything, you say get off your back because you feel Im coming at you? but youre saying I said this or that when no where it my statements did I say any of those things,
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so I dont know if you are mixing me up with someone else or reading into something thats not there,maybe its a comprehension issue not sure. Im sure as heck not an athlete,never claimed I was. and remember you came at me first just because I stated something you did say and said that it wasnt needed to be done that way.
you are the one that got bent out of shape and now think Im attacking you because of your looks? sorry but Im not racist how you look or the color you are makes no difference to me. if it were anyone else Id say the same thing. I dont discriminate sorry.
I also was construtctive and told the op that it was fine to start out with light weights and to work her weight up because she asked if it would work with light weights. so I did contribute to helping. But whatever bro you go on thinking whatever it is you want to.
"Not everyone has to work that hard to gain muscle" right there.
And I went at you after you assumed my comment about wanting to puke had anything to do with training and even after correcting you. You're still under the impression that's what I meant.
It is 100% okay to start out with light weights. At no point did I say it wasnt. Buuut if you reread my original post it stated. That in order to force adaptation you need to subject your body to a stimulus that it is not already adapted to. My comparison being lifting 10lbs opposed to the OPs legs carrying their full weight daily. Meaning it would be unlikely that such a light weight would be a sufficient stimulus for any real changes.
Also what about your dig about me starting at higher weights and saying the OP had to do the same. Or did you retract that statement after realizing it was in response to the OP asking what weights we started at? You made a dig. And were wrong. Accept it. And I don't care how much food you can eat. Just because one person can survive a bullet to the head doesn't mean we all can. I provide fact based information. You are going off of personal anecdotal experience, which is great. But when being applied to the vast majority. Its rarely the most optimal.
dude you just want to argue and it aint happening at least not with me. I said what I had to say. so ta-ta
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High rep, low weight works but after a while the amount of reps you have to do to keep progressing becomes ridiculous. Start low and do progressive overload, each workout session you increase the weight by 2,5-5lbs. Since you struggle with 10lbs I reccomend starting at 5lbs. Do 3x10 with perfect form and then increase to 7,5lbs next time, keep going until your form becomes bad. Then you lower by 25-30% and keep working your way upwards.
Higher weights will show better results, if you get up there in terms of weight you can switch to 5x5. And personally I find lifting heavy more fun and rewarding.0 -
Stockholm_Andy wrote: »@concetta1123 OP there are a couple of things I'd say to you.
1. Forums are not really a great place to learn the basics as conversations can quickly go off track/get bogged down in irrelevant details/or turn into arguments.
To get a handle on the basics of things (actually it's a bit detailed but you can dip in and out if you're not a big reader).
https://www.strongerbyscience.com/complete-strength-training-guide/
2. When people say "lift heavy" they mean heavy for that particular person! What's heavy for me is different to you or to the next guy in the gym.
Also you don't have to (and probably shouldn't) lift the same weight for each of the exercises you listed (o:
3. You are almost certainly lifting more than 5lbs. The barbell will weigh way more than that (o:
If you are in a commercial gym with Oly bars it'll be 44lbs even a home barbell will probably weigh half of that.
4. Where you start doesn't matter. The journey matters. You've started the journey by starting to lift. Educate yourself and work hard and you WILL see results.
You know it never occurred to me she might not be counting the weight of the bar. Ten pounds plus the bar is 55 lbs, which is about where I started squatting.0
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