Ketogenic Diet
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So I lost 50 pounds originally just by doing CICO on here over a year and a half. I gained almost all of it back and I’m tying to figure out the best way to lose it quickly again.
I know people who have lost very quickly on th ketogenic diet and I was wondering what people’s experience with it was? Like I would obviously still be using CICO in congruence with it.
I know people who have lost very quickly on th ketogenic diet and I was wondering what people’s experience with it was? Like I would obviously still be using CICO in congruence with it.
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They lose it quickly because it's mainly water weight and glycogen that is getting depleted, not fat. Keto can only benefit you in your weight loss journey only if it keeps you satiated enough for you to stick at a caloric deficit.23
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It works for a lot of people but it's not about the type of food or the macro split, it's still about finding a way to eat that you can be happy doing and stay within calories. Regular food works for a lot of people too - without restrictions on types of foods.
I couldn't do without my carbs. I tried and it was miserable.
Only way to know for yourself is to try and see if you enjoy eating that way. It's no faster - still all about the calorie deficit. You still want to eat enough but not too much.
At least you know what worked last time, so you can do that!7 -
So I lost 50 pounds originally just by doing CICO on here over a year and a half. I gained almost all of it back and I’m tying to figure out the best way to lose it quickly again.
I know people who have lost very quickly on th ketogenic diet and I was wondering what people’s experience with it was? Like I would obviously still be using CICO in congruence with it.
Have you considered that losing weight quickly is part of the problem/reason why you gained it all back.... Because you were never able to develop good long term habits since you were more focused on restricting calories aggressively?25 -
I'd suggest you nnecmriverside wrote: »It works for a lot of people but it's not about the type of food or the macro split, it's still about finding a way to eat that you can be happy doing and stay within calories. Regular food works for a lot of people too - without restrictions on types of foods.
I couldn't do without my carbs. I tried and it was miserable.
Only way to know for yourself is to try and see if you enjoy eating that way. It's no faster - still all about the calorie deficit. You still want to eat enough but not too much.
At least you know what worked last time, so you can do that!
I'd suggest you need to change your mentality from "fast" to sustainable. You gained back because you didn't learn that the last time.14 -
So I lost 50 pounds originally just by doing CICO on here over a year and a half. I gained almost all of it back and I’m tying to figure out the best way to lose it quickly again.
I know people who have lost very quickly on th ketogenic diet and I was wondering what people’s experience with it was? Like I would obviously still be using CICO in congruence with it.
Don't look for the "quick fix." I've lost and re-gained also. Getting to goal weight is just step 1.
Would keto (very low carb/high fat).....but still calorie deficit (because it's always calorie deficit) be something that would help you with maintenance? If something doesn't help me with maintenance, I don't bother......this time.
Find forever changes.12 -
The issue is that aggressive deficit. It reminds me about The biggest loser where contestants on the show lost tremendous weight in a short period of time and most of them regained the weight back after the show .8
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I hear all of you and I get why my OP was confusing/miscommunciated but like I said I lost the original 50 pounds over a year and a half and I did that with a 500 cal deficit a week, which I wouldn’t consider aggressive at all.
I believe the reason I gained it mostly back is due to the fact I stopped logging and life got in the way so I started eating poorly and not working out as often.
I know if I just stick to what I did last time I’d be able to do it, i was just wondering peoples experience with th keto diet.6 -
I hear all of you and I get why my OP was confusing/miscommunciated but like I said I lost the original 50 pounds over a year and a half and I did that with a 500 cal deficit a week, which I wouldn’t consider aggressive at all.
I believe the reason I gained it mostly back is due to the fact I stopped logging and life got in the way so I started eating poorly and not working out as often.
I know if I just stick to what I did last time I’d be able to do it, i was just wondering peoples experience with th keto diet.
It has roughly the same success rate as other diets. Ultimately, you want to find a way that you find yourself to be able to sustain long term. If you are ok with eliminating carbs long term, than it might be worth a try.9 -
I hear all of you and I get why my OP was confusing/miscommunciated but like I said I lost the original 50 pounds over a year and a half and I did that with a 500 cal deficit a week, which I wouldn’t consider aggressive at all.
I believe the reason I gained it mostly back is due to the fact I stopped logging and life got in the way so I started eating poorly and not working out as often.
I know if I just stick to what I did last time I’d be able to do it, i was just wondering peoples experience with th keto diet.
The great thing is that you know what you have to do in order to get the results you want. Just that this time you know you can't get lazy once you reach your goals. You can give keto a try and see if that helps with your satiety as this can make it easier to adhere to a calorie deficit. I'd just make sure you do plenty of research first to help minimise potential side effects like keto flu.4 -
Ketogenic diet works. So does CICO. I lost 100 lbs in 6 months in 2011 without Keto. had a couple of injuries and stopped caring. Gained everything back over a period of 5 years. If you think about it, it is much easier to lose weight than gain. I have been Keto since April and have lost 60 lbs. I don’t feel miserable this time. Personally I feel you can lose weight with any diet. I am really liking the Keto lifestyle. I find it satiating, very easy to follow, I have no cravings for food like I had in 2011. Don’t go too high on fat if you try Keto. Probably 70% max will be fine if you are trying to lose fat. No more than 5% carbs. I only count actual carbs, not net carbs.5
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Lillymoo01 wrote: »I hear all of you and I get why my OP was confusing/miscommunciated but like I said I lost the original 50 pounds over a year and a half and I did that with a 500 cal deficit a week, which I wouldn’t consider aggressive at all.
I believe the reason I gained it mostly back is due to the fact I stopped logging and life got in the way so I started eating poorly and not working out as often.
I know if I just stick to what I did last time I’d be able to do it, i was just wondering peoples experience with th keto diet.
The great thing is that you know what you have to do in order to get the results you want. Just that this time you know you can't get lazy once you reach your goals. You can give keto a try and see if that helps with your satiety as this can make it easier to adhere to a calorie deficit. I'd just make sure you do plenty of research first to help minimise potential side effects like keto flu.
Very good info thanks!0 -
rpmkarting wrote: »Ketogenic diet works. So does CICO. I lost 100 lbs in 6 months in 2011 without Keto. had a couple of injuries and stopped caring. Gained everything back over a period of 5 years. If you think about it, it is much easier to lose weight than gain. I have been Keto since April and have lost 60 lbs. I don’t feel miserable this time. Personally I feel you can lose weight with any diet. I am really liking the Keto lifestyle. I find it satiating, very easy to follow, I have no cravings for food like I had in 2011. Don’t go too high on fat if you try Keto. Probably 70% max will be fine if you are trying to lose fat. No more than 5% carbs. I only count actual carbs, not net carbs.
Good to know thanks!
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You cant do keto successfully without CICO. That's where many go wrong. You must follow the 5% 25% 75% rule where carbs are conserved in order to get the max benefit from keto. Keep in mind you will be cooking homemade dinners 90% if not 99% of the time..
As for fast weight loss, yes on keto the first week usually shows a huge drop..yes most of that is water. However once you are fat adapted you burn fat as energy not glucose. At this point your body will naturally stop craving carbs. Even if you still want carbs there are suit as ble alternative that dont spike your blood sugar....as in.lilys chocolate bars..net carbs are amazingly low for chocolate, they even make chocolate chips. You can bake your own bread..cakes muffins and candy (fat bombs) are all good ways to curb your carb habit but remain true to keto...please research, you can watch Dr Berg on you tube free..21 -
Keto is great if you find that particular mix of macros filling. Some people do and some people don't. It's really no different than any other diet in that comes down to how many calories you consume. Of course, if you have a medical condition that keto/low carbing is helpful in addressing, keto might move up the ladder options for you.7
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Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.33
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Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
You can also find some really powerful documentaries on Netflix that will tell you the only way to be healthy is to go vegan, or do a juice fast
Don't make health related decisions based on documentaries. They are entertainment. They are not required to tell you both sides of the story, or even required to tell you the truth at all.28 -
Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
As with most Netflix "documentaries", The Magic Pill is a one-sided propaganda piece of hack journalism which cherry-picks and flat-out misstates actual science. Pete Evans is nothing more than a celebrity chef, with no education or training in medicine and/or nutrition, and the Australian Medical Association has called for The Magic Pill to be removed from circulation, calling it "irresponsible" and saying "the risk of misinformation is too great".
https://synapses.co.za/the-magic-pill-pete-evans-does-documentary/
https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/netflix-urged-to-pull-pete-evans-documentary-20180531-p4zim2.html
On the flip side, you could watch Forks Over Knives or What The Health and be equally convinced that veganism is the miracle cure-all for everything and that you're killing yourself (and the rest of the world) by eating meat. Or you could watch Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead and be utterly convinced that you need to buy a juicer and drink all your meals from now on out.25 -
You cant do keto successfully without CICO. That's where many go wrong. You must follow the 5% 25% 75% rule where carbs are conserved in order to get the max benefit from keto. Keep in mind you will be cooking homemade dinners 90% if not 99% of the time..
As for fast weight loss, yes on keto the first week usually shows a huge drop..yes most of that is water. However once you are fat adapted you burn fat as energy not glucose. At this point your body will naturally stop craving carbs. Even if you still want carbs there are suit as ble alternative that dont spike your blood sugar....as in.lilys chocolate bars..net carbs are amazingly low for chocolate, they even make chocolate chips. You can bake your own bread..cakes muffins and candy (fat bombs) are all good ways to curb your carb habit but remain true to keto...please research, you can watch Dr Berg on you tube free..
Awesome info! Thanks2 -
You cant do keto successfully without CICO. That's where many go wrong. You must follow the 5% 25% 75% rule where carbs are conserved in order to get the max benefit from keto. Keep in mind you will be cooking homemade dinners 90% if not 99% of the time..
As for fast weight loss, yes on keto the first week usually shows a huge drop..yes most of that is water. However once you are fat adapted you burn fat as energy not glucose. At this point your body will naturally stop craving carbs. Even if you still want carbs there are suit as ble alternative that dont spike your blood sugar....as in.lilys chocolate bars..net carbs are amazingly low for chocolate, they even make chocolate chips. You can bake your own bread..cakes muffins and candy (fat bombs) are all good ways to curb your carb habit but remain true to keto...please research, you can watch Dr Berg on you tube free..
I'm astonished that "Dr" Berg is touted as a reliable source on any subject when he has been disciplined for pushing treatments including holding homeopathic water (in other words plain old water...) over people and listening to patient's hearts to evaluate nutrition - let's face it that would be bonkers even if Berg was a medical doctor (he isn't but seems to forget to mention that when using the designation) or cardiologist.
Would suggest Lyle McDonald would be a more respected source of information.16 -
You cant do keto successfully without CICO. That's where many go wrong. You must follow the 5% 25% 75% rule where carbs are conserved in order to get the max benefit from keto. Keep in mind you will be cooking homemade dinners 90% if not 99% of the time..
As for fast weight loss, yes on keto the first week usually shows a huge drop..yes most of that is water. However once you are fat adapted you burn fat as energy not glucose. At this point your body will naturally stop craving carbs. Even if you still want carbs there are suit as ble alternative that dont spike your blood sugar....as in.lilys chocolate bars..net carbs are amazingly low for chocolate, they even make chocolate chips. You can bake your own bread..cakes muffins and candy (fat bombs) are all good ways to curb your carb habit but remain true to keto...please research, you can watch Dr Berg on you tube free..
I'm astonished that "Dr" Berg is touted as a reliable source on any subject when he has been disciplined for pushing treatments including holding homeopathic water (in other words plain old water...) over people and listening to patient's hearts to evaluate nutrition - let's face it that would be bonkers even if Berg was a medical doctor (he isn't but seems to forget to mention that when using the designation) or cardiologist.
Would suggest Lyle McDonald would be a more respected source of information.
Yes, "Dr." Berg (who sometimes seems to neglect to mention that he's a chiropractor, not an M.D.) was fined and censured by the Virginia Board of Medicine for (among other things) exceeding his scope of practice as a chiropractor, and using methods which have no scientific/medical proof of benefit: https://casewatch.net/board/chiro/berg.shtml
I don't consider him a reliable source for anything.You cant do keto successfully without CICO. That's where many go wrong...
Man, if you had just stopped right there, you would have been golden!12 -
Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
You can also find some really powerful documentaries on Netflix that will tell you the only way to be healthy is to go vegan, or do a juice fast
Don't make health related decisions based on documentaries. They are entertainment. They are not required to tell you both sides of the story, or even required to tell you the truth at all.Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
As with most Netflix "documentaries", The Magic Pill is a one-sided propaganda piece of hack journalism which cherry-picks and flat-out misstates actual science. Pete Evans is nothing more than a celebrity chef, with no education or training in medicine and/or nutrition, and the Australian Medical Association has called for The Magic Pill to be removed from circulation, calling it "irresponsible" and saying "the risk of misinformation is too great".
https://synapses.co.za/the-magic-pill-pete-evans-does-documentary/
https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/netflix-urged-to-pull-pete-evans-documentary-20180531-p4zim2.html
On the flip side, you could watch Forks Over Knives or What The Health and be equally convinced that veganism is the miracle cure-all for everything and that you're killing yourself (and the rest of the world) by eating meat. Or you could watch Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead and be utterly convinced that you need to buy a juicer and drink all your meals from now on out.Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
Don't believe anything you watch in documentaries especially Netflix especially since they will cherry pick their data in order to create their documentary or else there wouldn't be a documentary to begin with.
https://youtube.com/watch?time_continue=85&v=RFijW8A2Prc
You will find all the research showing the flaws of the documentary on the link too.
The thing about all these documentaries, whether they are "true" or not is this, the one thing they have in common is that eating healthy, whole, non-processed foods can help with a number of diseases, including obesity. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with vegan, keto, paleo, etc. As long as it includes healthy foods and takes non-processed foods and sugar out of the equation. I'm all for that!
If any of those help people make healthier choices, then that's great. 27 -
If you are truly interested in Keto. Then research it. I've watched the magic pill and also another about juicing..the difference. I can sustained eating Keto..I can not only have juice or my blood sugar would go crazy and I will be hungry all the time...but that's me.
If you feel like Keto might work or could work please learn how it works that why you aren't surprised when and why things happen..
I know I said Watch Dr Berg and he's a great referance but there are plenty of books and websites too...and you will notice people hating on Keto but stand behind Paleo and they are very similar..
I understand the science behind it, I work in healthcare, and unless your in a keto group you will be "Woo"ed to death on the main boards.
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Pointing out that someone put forward as an information source is a discredited quack isn't hating on keto.25
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Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
You can also find some really powerful documentaries on Netflix that will tell you the only way to be healthy is to go vegan, or do a juice fast
Don't make health related decisions based on documentaries. They are entertainment. They are not required to tell you both sides of the story, or even required to tell you the truth at all.Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
As with most Netflix "documentaries", The Magic Pill is a one-sided propaganda piece of hack journalism which cherry-picks and flat-out misstates actual science. Pete Evans is nothing more than a celebrity chef, with no education or training in medicine and/or nutrition, and the Australian Medical Association has called for The Magic Pill to be removed from circulation, calling it "irresponsible" and saying "the risk of misinformation is too great".
https://synapses.co.za/the-magic-pill-pete-evans-does-documentary/
https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/netflix-urged-to-pull-pete-evans-documentary-20180531-p4zim2.html
On the flip side, you could watch Forks Over Knives or What The Health and be equally convinced that veganism is the miracle cure-all for everything and that you're killing yourself (and the rest of the world) by eating meat. Or you could watch Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead and be utterly convinced that you need to buy a juicer and drink all your meals from now on out.Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
Don't believe anything you watch in documentaries especially Netflix especially since they will cherry pick their data in order to create their documentary or else there wouldn't be a documentary to begin with.
https://youtube.com/watch?time_continue=85&v=RFijW8A2Prc
You will find all the research showing the flaws of the documentary on the link too.
The thing about all these documentaries, whether they are "true" or not is this, the one thing they have in common is that eating healthy, whole, non-processed foods can help with a number of diseases, including obesity. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with vegan, keto, paleo, etc. As long as it includes healthy foods and takes non-processed foods and sugar out of the equation. I'm all for that! If any of those help people make healthier choices, then that's great.
It would probably be most beneficial for the average person to start by understanding the first step they could take to "cure" their obesity is . . . eat less than they burn. That's it. It would take care of the obesity, and as they lose weight if there are other health issues those would likely improve as well.
While the average person would also, on all probability, be better off health wise focusing more of their diet on whole foods, that's not necessary for weight loss. For a lot of people, one step at a time is more likely to lead to success than overhauling everything at once. I've seen lots of stories on MFP about individuals who started by losing weight by only tracking their food. As they lost weight and felt better, they started exercising. Then, they started eating a more well-rounded diet. But, taking "non-processed" foods and sugar out of the equation aren't necessary.
And on a more specific note, veganism is a lifestyle choice based on ethics. It is not the same as plant-based and does not in and of itself denote a whole foods diet. It's pretty easy to be a junk food vegan. The average person in the U.S. likely eats junk food that's "accidentally" vegan, without knowing it at all. And while I think my diet is fairly well-rounded, I eat plenty of junk food. (This is not mean to start a debate about the term "junk food." Of course adding treats to a diet is fine, it all depends on context, etc., etc. I'm using it for ease-of-use to refer to what I would consider treat foods.)
For dinner today I may have a Gardein Ultimate Burger (totally "processed") on Dave's Killer Bread (also "processed") with avocado and mixed greens and pickles ("processed") and "Bacon-Habanero" corn chips ("processed"), along with some zucchini and tomatoes left over from my weekly lunch prep. Today I've already had a banana, acai (because I like it), pineapple and blueberry smoothie bowl with cereal ("processed"), some watermelon, blackberries, almond milk ("processed"), coffee ("processed").
During the week I have oatmeal loaded with lots of good stuff every morning, a big salad of mixed veggies with lettuce along with, typically, potato, sweet potato (sometimes mix in beets or carrots or fennel or squash; wintertime is often a variety of roasted veggies), avocado and some type of tofu/seitan/tempeh or bean for lunch, and dinner varies, but nearly always has some greens. Does my weekend "junk food" make my diet poor? No.
The point of all of that is that context matters (and that veganism does not mean no junk food). It's not necessary to eat a diet of only whole, "non-processed" foods and no sugar.9 -
You cant do keto successfully without CICO. That's where many go wrong. You must follow the 5% 25% 75% rule where carbs are conserved in order to get the max benefit from keto. Keep in mind you will be cooking homemade dinners 90% if not 99% of the time..
As for fast weight loss, yes on keto the first week usually shows a huge drop..yes most of that is water. However once you are fat adapted you burn fat as energy not glucose. At this point your body will naturally stop craving carbs. Even if you still want carbs there are suit as ble alternative that dont spike your blood sugar....as in.lilys chocolate bars..net carbs are amazingly low for chocolate, they even make chocolate chips. You can bake your own bread..cakes muffins and candy (fat bombs) are all good ways to curb your carb habit but remain true to keto...please research, you can watch Dr Berg on you tube free..
I'm astonished that "Dr" Berg is touted as a reliable source on any subject when he has been disciplined for pushing treatments including holding homeopathic water (in other words plain old water...) over people and listening to patient's hearts to evaluate nutrition - let's face it that would be bonkers even if Berg was a medical doctor (he isn't but seems to forget to mention that when using the designation) or cardiologist.
Would suggest Lyle McDonald would be a more respected source of information.
Yes, "Dr." Berg (who sometimes seems to neglect to mention that he's a chiropractor, not an M.D.) was fined and censured by the Virginia Board of Medicine for (among other things) exceeding his scope of practice as a chiropractor, and using methods which have no scientific/medical proof of benefit: https://casewatch.net/board/chiro/berg.shtml
I don't consider him a reliable source for anything.You cant do keto successfully without CICO. That's where many go wrong...
Man, if you had just stopped right there, you would have been golden!
There is nothing wrong with the information he gives in his videos about intermittent fasting or Keto dieting..you seam to think no one is allowed to learn anything past thier given profession.25 -
Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
You can also find some really powerful documentaries on Netflix that will tell you the only way to be healthy is to go vegan, or do a juice fast
Don't make health related decisions based on documentaries. They are entertainment. They are not required to tell you both sides of the story, or even required to tell you the truth at all.Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
As with most Netflix "documentaries", The Magic Pill is a one-sided propaganda piece of hack journalism which cherry-picks and flat-out misstates actual science. Pete Evans is nothing more than a celebrity chef, with no education or training in medicine and/or nutrition, and the Australian Medical Association has called for The Magic Pill to be removed from circulation, calling it "irresponsible" and saying "the risk of misinformation is too great".
https://synapses.co.za/the-magic-pill-pete-evans-does-documentary/
https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/netflix-urged-to-pull-pete-evans-documentary-20180531-p4zim2.html
On the flip side, you could watch Forks Over Knives or What The Health and be equally convinced that veganism is the miracle cure-all for everything and that you're killing yourself (and the rest of the world) by eating meat. Or you could watch Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead and be utterly convinced that you need to buy a juicer and drink all your meals from now on out.Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
Don't believe anything you watch in documentaries especially Netflix especially since they will cherry pick their data in order to create their documentary or else there wouldn't be a documentary to begin with.
https://youtube.com/watch?time_continue=85&v=RFijW8A2Prc
You will find all the research showing the flaws of the documentary on the link too.
The thing about all these documentaries, whether they are "true" or not is this, the one thing they have in common is that eating healthy, whole, non-processed foods can help with a number of diseases, including obesity. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with vegan, keto, paleo, etc. As long as it includes healthy foods and takes non-processed foods and sugar out of the equation. I'm all for that! If any of those help people make healthier choices, then that's great.
It would probably be most beneficial for the average person to start by understanding the first step they could take to "cure" their obesity is . . . eat less than they burn. That's it. It would take care of the obesity, and as they lose weight if there are other health issues those would likely improve as well.
While the average person would also, on all probability, be better off health wise focusing more of their diet on whole foods, that's not necessary for weight loss. For a lot of people, one step at a time is more likely to lead to success than overhauling everything at once. I've seen lots of stories on MFP about individuals who started by losing weight by only tracking their food. As they lost weight and felt better, they started exercising. Then, they started eating a more well-rounded diet. But, taking "non-processed" foods and sugar out of the equation aren't necessary.
And on a more specific note, veganism is a lifestyle choice based on ethics. It is not the same as plant-based and does not in and of itself denote a whole foods diet. It's pretty easy to be a junk food vegan. The average person in the U.S. likely eats junk food that's "accidentally" vegan, without knowing it at all. And while I think my diet is fairly well-rounded, I eat plenty of junk food. (This is not mean to start a debate about the term "junk food." Of course adding treats to a diet is fine, it all depends on context, etc., etc. I'm using it for ease-of-use to refer to what I would consider treat foods.)
For dinner today I may have a Gardein Ultimate Burger (totally "processed") on Dave's Killer Bread (also "processed") with avocado and mixed greens and pickles ("processed") and "Bacon-Habanero" corn chips ("processed"), along with some zucchini and tomatoes left over from my weekly lunch prep. Today I've already had a banana, acai (because I like it), pineapple and blueberry smoothie bowl with cereal ("processed"), some watermelon, blackberries, almond milk ("processed"), coffee ("processed").
During the week I have oatmeal loaded with lots of good stuff every morning, a big salad of mixed veggies with lettuce along with, typically, potato, sweet potato (sometimes mix in beets or carrots or fennel or squash; wintertime is often a variety of roasted veggies), avocado and some type of tofu/seitan/tempeh or bean for lunch, and dinner varies, but nearly always has some greens. Does my weekend "junk food" make my diet poor? No.
The point of all of that is that context matters (and that veganism does not mean no junk food). It's not necessary to eat a diet of only whole, "non-processed" foods and no sugar.
Very good point! And so true. I was once a "junk food" vegan. Mine though wasn't based on 'ethics', it was primarily because I was allergic (not lactose intolerant) to dairy, eggs and most shellfish. I remember being the vegan that learned not to eat any veggies. A fact that I'm not proud of now, although others laugh when I tell them this. I've since gone back to eating eggs and most dairy, although I stay away from shrimp, milk and ice cream.2 -
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Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
If you want oatmeal, than maybe low carb is a better choice.. or even a zone diet.
And if anyone wants the legit science behind keto, go to the godfather of the diet Lyle McDonald. He is an actual researcher who isnt looking to get clicks. And he was one of the original people discussing ketogenic diets outaide atkins and medical intervention.5 -
Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
You can also find some really powerful documentaries on Netflix that will tell you the only way to be healthy is to go vegan, or do a juice fast
Don't make health related decisions based on documentaries. They are entertainment. They are not required to tell you both sides of the story, or even required to tell you the truth at all.Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
As with most Netflix "documentaries", The Magic Pill is a one-sided propaganda piece of hack journalism which cherry-picks and flat-out misstates actual science. Pete Evans is nothing more than a celebrity chef, with no education or training in medicine and/or nutrition, and the Australian Medical Association has called for The Magic Pill to be removed from circulation, calling it "irresponsible" and saying "the risk of misinformation is too great".
https://synapses.co.za/the-magic-pill-pete-evans-does-documentary/
https://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/netflix-urged-to-pull-pete-evans-documentary-20180531-p4zim2.html
On the flip side, you could watch Forks Over Knives or What The Health and be equally convinced that veganism is the miracle cure-all for everything and that you're killing yourself (and the rest of the world) by eating meat. Or you could watch Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead and be utterly convinced that you need to buy a juicer and drink all your meals from now on out.Has anyone seen The Magic Pill? It's on Netflix. I just watched it and WOW, eye opening! I'm not sure if I'm ready to give up carbs, per se, because I want to start having oatmeal in the morning, but the rest of my food I think I can do keto. Hmm...we'll see.
Don't believe anything you watch in documentaries especially Netflix especially since they will cherry pick their data in order to create their documentary or else there wouldn't be a documentary to begin with.
https://youtube.com/watch?time_continue=85&v=RFijW8A2Prc
You will find all the research showing the flaws of the documentary on the link too.
The thing about all these documentaries, whether they are "true" or not is this, the one thing they have in common is that eating healthy, whole, non-processed foods can help with a number of diseases, including obesity. Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with vegan, keto, paleo, etc. As long as it includes healthy foods and takes non-processed foods and sugar out of the equation. I'm all for that! If any of those help people make healthier choices, then that's great.
It would probably be most beneficial for the average person to start by understanding the first step they could take to "cure" their obesity is . . . eat less than they burn. That's it. It would take care of the obesity, and as they lose weight if there are other health issues those would likely improve as well.
While the average person would also, on all probability, be better off health wise focusing more of their diet on whole foods, that's not necessary for weight loss. For a lot of people, one step at a time is more likely to lead to success than overhauling everything at once. I've seen lots of stories on MFP about individuals who started by losing weight by only tracking their food. As they lost weight and felt better, they started exercising. Then, they started eating a more well-rounded diet. But, taking "non-processed" foods and sugar out of the equation aren't necessary.
And on a more specific note, veganism is a lifestyle choice based on ethics. It is not the same as plant-based and does not in and of itself denote a whole foods diet. It's pretty easy to be a junk food vegan. The average person in the U.S. likely eats junk food that's "accidentally" vegan, without knowing it at all. And while I think my diet is fairly well-rounded, I eat plenty of junk food. (This is not mean to start a debate about the term "junk food." Of course adding treats to a diet is fine, it all depends on context, etc., etc. I'm using it for ease-of-use to refer to what I would consider treat foods.)
For dinner today I may have a Gardein Ultimate Burger (totally "processed") on Dave's Killer Bread (also "processed") with avocado and mixed greens and pickles ("processed") and "Bacon-Habanero" corn chips ("processed"), along with some zucchini and tomatoes left over from my weekly lunch prep. Today I've already had a banana, acai (because I like it), pineapple and blueberry smoothie bowl with cereal ("processed"), some watermelon, blackberries, almond milk ("processed"), coffee ("processed").
During the week I have oatmeal loaded with lots of good stuff every morning, a big salad of mixed veggies with lettuce along with, typically, potato, sweet potato (sometimes mix in beets or carrots or fennel or squash; wintertime is often a variety of roasted veggies), avocado and some type of tofu/seitan/tempeh or bean for lunch, and dinner varies, but nearly always has some greens. Does my weekend "junk food" make my diet poor? No.
The point of all of that is that context matters (and that veganism does not mean no junk food). It's not necessary to eat a diet of only whole, "non-processed" foods and no sugar.
Very good point! And so true. I was once a "junk food" vegan. Mine though wasn't based on 'ethics', it was primarily because I was allergic (not lactose intolerant) to dairy, eggs and most shellfish. I remember being the vegan that learned not to eat any veggies. A fact that I'm not proud of now, although others laugh when I tell them this. I've since gone back to eating eggs and most dairy, although I stay away from shrimp, milk and ice cream.
I don't want to sidetrack the thread, so I'll just clarify one of my points. The point I was trying to make in response to yours is that veganism actually is ethics-based. The term was coined to mean a way of living based on ethics. So, if it's ethics-based, it's easy to be a junk food vegan. Whereas plant-based usually means a diet based around plant foods for health.
While most vegans I've met are health-focused as well, that's not the point - it's not a vegan "diet," it's a vegan lifestyle, and thus does not automatically exclude junk food like a lot of people seem to think. The premise of plant-based is that those who follow it believe that a diet centered around plants is healthiest. Plant-based could also mean one eats some animal products, as it's not an ethical stance. So veganism is out of place in a list of paleo, keto, etc.5 -
If you are truly interested in Keto. Then research it. I've watched the magic pill and also another about juicing..the difference. I can sustained eating Keto..I can not only have juice or my blood sugar would go crazy and I will be hungry all the time...but that's me.
If you feel like Keto might work or could work please learn how it works that why you aren't surprised when and why things happen..
I know I said Watch Dr Berg and he's a great referance but there are plenty of books and websites too...and you will notice people hating on Keto but stand behind Paleo and they are very similar..
I understand the science behind it, I work in healthcare, and unless your in a keto group you will be "Woo"ed to death on the main boards.
Nobody in this thread is "hating" on keto. We are criticizing some of the "pop" experts and filmmakers who have glommed onto its popularity and ascribe magic powers to the diet to get clicks.
OP, if it sounds like a way you would like eating, by all means try Keto, or perhaps a slightly less extreme low carb eating plan. If you find fats satiating and enjoy eating them enough to make them the majority of your calories, some people find it does the trick to keep them easily at their calorie goal. Good luck whatever you go with!12
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