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Carnivore Diet, Depression, and Autoimmune Disease -- Jordan Peterson
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If the problem is caused, or partially caused, by a person's current diet then it makes sense that altering the diet may help.
In situations where a problem is acute and caused externally (like depression from bad situations rather than a chronic problem, or a joint injury from an accident rather than inflammatory arthritis) then I think many will agree that diet will not play as large of a role during treatment or recovery.
For example, I've had a lot of arthritis, in multiple joints for over half my life (since my 20s). When I went gluten free to treat celiac disease I had a huge improvement in my upper body arthritis. Sometimes diet can help when diet is partially the problem. It is not usually a quick fix though. I've seen intensive diet therapy work but it can take months or years, and if the patient goes back to the way they ate when the problem developed, the problem will often return.
If you stub your toe, twist your ankle, or become depressed after losing a job or a bad breakup, I don't think diet will help as much, although it can still have some impact.
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As Dr. Peterson states repeatedly - he is largely ignorant of the science behind this (he is a clinical psychologist), but it works for him and his family. He is one of the greatest thinkers on the planet, but also has a large base of professionals to help him whenever he has a question or needs support.
I would not recommend attempting this without professional support.
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As Dr. Peterson states repeatedly - he is largely ignorant of the science behind this (he is a clinical psychologist), but it works for him and his family. He is one of the greatest thinkers on the planet, but also has a large base of professionals to help him whenever he has a question or needs support.
I would not recommend attempting this without professional support.
I think at least some of his guidance on this is coming from his daughter, who isn't a medical/nutritional professional. She charges $120 an hour for video chat guidance on how to become a carnivore.8 -
janejellyroll wrote: »As Dr. Peterson states repeatedly - he is largely ignorant of the science behind this (he is a clinical psychologist), but it works for him and his family. He is one of the greatest thinkers on the planet, but also has a large base of professionals to help him whenever he has a question or needs support.
I would not recommend attempting this without professional support.
I think at least some of his guidance on this is coming from his daughter, who isn't a medical/nutritional professional. She charges $120 an hour for video chat guidance on how to become a carnivore.
It only takes two seconds to say "Eat meat". Even if you say it slowly.
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janejellyroll wrote: »As Dr. Peterson states repeatedly - he is largely ignorant of the science behind this (he is a clinical psychologist), but it works for him and his family. He is one of the greatest thinkers on the planet, but also has a large base of professionals to help him whenever he has a question or needs support.
I would not recommend attempting this without professional support.
I think at least some of his guidance on this is coming from his daughter, who isn't a medical/nutritional professional. She charges $120 an hour for video chat guidance on how to become a carnivore.
It only takes two seconds to say "Eat meat". Even if you say it slowly.
Yeah, I'll admit that I have no idea what specific content is being offered during these consultations, but I can't imagine what on earth she could be providing that is worth that much money.6 -
janejellyroll wrote: »As Dr. Peterson states repeatedly - he is largely ignorant of the science behind this (he is a clinical psychologist), but it works for him and his family. He is one of the greatest thinkers on the planet, but also has a large base of professionals to help him whenever he has a question or needs support.
I would not recommend attempting this without professional support.
I think at least some of his guidance on this is coming from his daughter, who isn't a medical/nutritional professional. She charges $120 an hour for video chat guidance on how to become a carnivore.
It only takes two seconds to say "Eat meat". Even if you say it slowly.
Think you just priced her out of the market. You should start up on Patreon
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I haven't seen the video, but had discovered the carnivore diet as a way to further reduce carbs from the keto diet. It seems to work very well for me and I feel better than I have in a long time. I eat mostly beef, but add some other animal foods on occasion - usually when traveling or with meetings in a restaurant where options are more limited. I do not feel as good on those occasions when eating those other animal foods such as low carb dairy (cheese) and eggs. Something that really screwed me up badly once when traveling was pork rinds. I had not expected it to be so bad, but the label showed them as being very low carb. The only explanation I can think of is that they may have been fried in safflower oil.
ETA: The carnivore diet helped towards the tail end of losing fat, but I've continued as I've switched to maintenance for now. At some point, I want to lose a bit more body fat (those last 15 lbs.), but am staying at maintenance calories as I increase running mileage.2 -
While I think Peterson makes some interesting points, and have some interesting thought experiments on other topics, this isn't his area of expertise and is by definition an anecdotal story.6
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As Dr. Peterson states repeatedly - he is largely ignorant of the science behind this (he is a clinical psychologist), but it works for him and his family. He is one of the greatest thinkers on the planet, but also has a large base of professionals to help him whenever he has a question or needs support.
I would not recommend attempting this without professional support.
Is he one of the greatest thinkers on the planet? How do you quantify (or qualify) that claim? Also while he may have a large base of professionals to help him whenever he has a question or needs support, whose to say that he's actually going to ask them for help in situations outside of collaborating on papers? It is fairly common knowledge that there are plenty of doctors and mental health care professionals who don't want to ask their colleagues for help. Nevermind the stigma surrounding mental health is in academia (and he is in academia) regardless of discipline. I would be pleasantly shocked if he talked to his colleagues about how to improve his mental health issues.7 -
Has anyone come across the web site - eat meat/drink water. been around for ages, very interesting.4
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As Dr. Peterson states repeatedly - he is largely ignorant of the science behind this (he is a clinical psychologist), but it works for him and his family. He is one of the greatest thinkers on the planet, but also has a large base of professionals to help him whenever he has a question or needs support.
I would not recommend attempting this without professional support.
Is he one of the greatest thinkers on the planet? How do you quantify (or qualify) that claim? Also while he may have a large base of professionals to help him whenever he has a question or needs support, whose to say that he's actually going to ask them for help in situations outside of collaborating on papers? It is fairly common knowledge that there are plenty of doctors and mental health care professionals who don't want to ask their colleagues for help. Nevermind the stigma surrounding mental health is in academia (and he is in academia) regardless of discipline. I would be pleasantly shocked if he talked to his colleagues about how to improve his mental health issues.
Purely subjective as I'm not sure how one would quantify or qualify this. He certainly has the respect of his peers - other great thinkers.
Personally what puts him over the top is the mere fact that if I credited him as such he would deny it.9 -
As Dr. Peterson states repeatedly - he is largely ignorant of the science behind this (he is a clinical psychologist), but it works for him and his family. He is one of the greatest thinkers on the planet, but also has a large base of professionals to help him whenever he has a question or needs support.
I would not recommend attempting this without professional support.
Is he one of the greatest thinkers on the planet? How do you quantify (or qualify) that claim? Also while he may have a large base of professionals to help him whenever he has a question or needs support, whose to say that he's actually going to ask them for help in situations outside of collaborating on papers? It is fairly common knowledge that there are plenty of doctors and mental health care professionals who don't want to ask their colleagues for help. Nevermind the stigma surrounding mental health is in academia (and he is in academia) regardless of discipline. I would be pleasantly shocked if he talked to his colleagues about how to improve his mental health issues.
Purely subjective as I'm not sure how one would quantify or qualify this. He certainly has the respect of his peers - other great thinkers.
Personally what puts him over the top is the mere fact that if I credited him as such he would deny it.
Arguably that's just him being humble. One of the reasons I question whether or not he's "one of the great thinkers on the planet" is that I know a number of people who are well published, well cited, and very well respected in their fields and have been around countless more. I don't know if I'd call any of them "the greatest thinkers on the planet".2 -
I'm a huge admirer of Dr. Peterson, and knew of his daughter's experience with carnivore before I saw him on Rogan (of whom I am also a fan). Throughout the interview he states that he's not an expert in nutrition and also that the only reason he tried it in the first place was because of the incredible results experienced by Mikhaila. I also have multiple AI issues, and am severely obese. I researched it for about a month before I tried it at the end of July. I lasted 3 days. My experience included severe diarrhea, complete boredom and difficulty tolerating the monotony of texture. I ate rib eye, striploin, bacon, ground beef, eggs and chicken thighs. I couldn't do it. I give major props to anyone who can follow this plan. I love meat. I'm an Albertan. Beef is in my blood. The grilled edges of beef fat on a steak are one of life's pleasures. I couldn't do it. Too much chewing, no variety of texture, nothing to contrast the meat-ness. Just...meat. Sounds like a dream, but it's not. I just started paleo a couple of days ago and feeling better in terms of variety, but I'm still struggling to stick with it. I think in the end the most important thing about a diet or WOE is finding something you can sustain long term. That's the struggle for me.14
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Hello! I follow a Paleo diet and am currently making a Paleo Recipes book of all the meals I've tried and like. Would love to see and share recipes to find something we haven't tried yet and vice versa!0
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Hmm... weird. If you look into it it actually seems like a low meat diet provides the best chance of combating depression. High meat intakes have been linked to chronic inflammation (among many other health problems) and chronic inflammation has been directly linked to depression.12
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romanicholas1997 wrote: »Hmm... weird. If you look into it it actually seems like a low meat diet provides the best chance of combating depression. High meat intakes have been linked to chronic inflammation (among many other health problems) and chronic inflammation has been directly linked to depression.
Do you have any links to support these assertions?3 -
Sounds horrible...and I like and eat my fair share of meat.3
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I am on carnivore and I can say it does improve my mood, I feel contented no moody or depressed. Also I am clinically depressed I take sertaline (could be spelled incorrectly).2
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If his completely anti-science views within his field, his support of sketchy conspiracy theories and his boundless ignorance of history and economics are any indication, I would take his diet advice with a big grain of salt.16
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So this woman hating, white men first guy says he has a cure for depression?
Honestly I don't believe any word he says
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