Intermittent Fasting...
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emjay196363 wrote: »What happened to your tat in the second pic?
Removed? Photoshop? Inquiring minds want to know .
OP, it sounds like you feel persecuted about IF for some reason. Most folks recognize IF works for some as a means to control calories. Some of the more outlandish claims for it are not proven as is evidence by psulemon's post above.
I've seen a couple of posts in this thread about people losing large amounts of weight on a short time. That isn't necessarily a good thing (unless you started morbidly obese). Losing 20lbs or more in a 2 month period likely leads to a good amount of lean body mass loss, including muscle mass and bone mass. Ideally. one wants to lose primarily fat and preserve lean body mass. There is a max rate at which the body will oxidize fat before it cannibalizes muscle and other tissue. Thus the argument against high deficits and rapid loss.2 -
emjay196363 wrote: »What happened to your tat in the second pic?
I think one is a mirror image and the other looks like a selfie so they are two different arms. That is my guess anyhow3 -
Hello I am new here and have an IF question. I like to eat breakfast (2 eggs, spinach, black beans) within a hour of getting up, before work. Most of the people I know doing IF fasting skip breakfast and eat 12-8. Has anyone had success eating in the morning and stopping at 4 or 5 PM? (I have a about 40 lbs to lose).0
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gailjankovski wrote: »Hello I am new here and have an IF question. I like to eat breakfast (2 eggs, spinach, black beans) within a hour of getting up, before work. Most of the people I know doing IF fasting skip breakfast and eat 12-8. Has anyone had success eating in the morning and stopping at 4 or 5 PM? (I have a about 40 lbs to lose).
You window timing is not critical. That being said, 12/8 isn't a very long window. If it helps you control calories, it's fine.0 -
I meant they eat from 12 noon - 8pm. So 16 hours fasting. Isn't that standard? I find it easier to not eat in the evening than in the morning so I was thinking of starting my 8 hours at 8 am. I was just wondering about fasting before vs. after sleeping if it made a difference metabolically.0
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gailjankovski wrote: »I meant they eat from 12 noon - 8pm. So 16 hours fasting. Isn't that standard? I find it easier to not eat in the evening than in the morning so I think I was thinking of starting my 8 hours at 8 am. I was just wondering about fasting before vs. after sleeping if it made a difference metabolically.
16 hours is common. There is no real standard. It can be whatever you like that meets your goals. Some days I eat around 10, again around 6 and that's it. Other days I don't eat till 2 or so, then again around 7 or so and that's it. The important thing is not so much the window as it is the calorie control. Before or after sleeping makes no difference.3 -
gailjankovski wrote: »I meant they eat from 12 noon - 8pm. So 16 hours fasting. Isn't that standard? I find it easier to not eat in the evening than in the morning so I think I was thinking of starting my 8 hours at 8 am. I was just wondering about fasting before vs. after sleeping if it made a difference metabolically.
16 hours is common. There is no real standard. It can be whatever you like that meets your goals. Some days I eat around 10, again around 6 and that's it. Other days I don't eat till 2 or so, then again around 7 or so and that's it. The important thing is not so much the window as it is the calorie control. Before or after sleeping makes no difference.
To add, there isn't a metabolic difference in the times that you eat. In fact, it takes roughly 72 hours of not consuming calories at all to have an impact on metabolism. So if you are more compliant with not eating dinner and prefer a big breakfast and lunch, than it will be a good plan.5 -
I was responding directly to somebody else's statement which was on topic for the thread, not talking to you or addressing any of your statements. No reason for you to be so defensive.jonathanthewlis wrote: »So no mention in there of Intermittent Fasting, and because one person who has a disreputable past agreed that means it’s untrue?...
If I was starting to follow somebody on the internet as a source of information, I'd appreciate other people pointing out tangible evidence that he was a quack and not credible. It would keep me from going down the wrong rabbit hole.
I've been doing IF a lot longer than you or any of the others who've suddenly discovered it as the latest trend. It has worked just fine for me in terms of satiety and adherence, through both weight loss and almost a year of maintenance. But I don't believe in all the magick and wizardry that people are trying to attach to it and there's no evidence to substantiate any of it.jonathanthewlis wrote: »If it hasn’t worked for you, then say....I tried it and it didn’t work for me......
I think IF is very helpful, for some people, to control their calorie intake while experiencing minimal hunger and maximal satiety. But I also understand that it doesn't work for everybody. IIRC, I believe @psulemon has tried it in the past and said he was miserable on it, so n=1 really is n=1.5 -
jonathanthewlis wrote: »Sorry, I didn't know u were against it.
I jumped into this thread because I was thinking off starting a tread on intermittent fasting. When I saw it I had to share what I was into. Sorry .
Hope u achive what u are working at.
I’m very much for it, you will just see the above comments from others who rubble it, I feel it works for me anyway.
Thank for your clarification.
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I was responding directly to somebody else's statement which was on topic for the thread, not talking to you or addressing any of your statements. No reason for you to be so defensive.jonathanthewlis wrote: »So no mention in there of Intermittent Fasting, and because one person who has a disreputable past agreed that means it’s untrue?...
If I was starting to follow somebody on the internet as a source of information, I'd appreciate other people pointing out tangible evidence that he was a quack and not credible. It would keep me from going down the wrong rabbit hole.
I've been doing IF a lot longer than you or any of the others who've suddenly discovered it as the latest trend. It has worked just fine for me in terms of satiety and adherence, through both weight loss and almost a year of maintenance. But I don't believe in all the magick and wizardry that people are trying to attach to it and there's no evidence to substantiate any of it.jonathanthewlis wrote: »If it hasn’t worked for you, then say....I tried it and it didn’t work for me......
I think IF is very helpful, for some people, to control their calorie intake while experiencing minimal hunger and maximal satiety. But I also understand that it doesn't work for everybody. IIRC, I believe @psulemon has tried it in the past and said he was miserable on it, so n=1 really is n=1.
I tried it for 3 months after reading some of the awesome work from Martin Berkhan (founder of Leangains). What I discovered during that period is I was always hungry, my breath was horrible, and it was causing me to binge. Similarly Paleo did that as well. When I did both of these diets, I already lost 50 lbs and kept it off for about 3 years. At that time, I was about 16% body fat. So I was hoping to use these protocols to get leaner. Unfortunately, neither of them worked for me.
I should note again, just because those diets didn't work for me, doesn't mean they won't work for others. I just didn't line up to my circadian rhythms.4 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »I am a new-grad healthcare practitioner and have maintained IM for about a year now. We actually discussed this in our health/wellness class in school. Some of the science behind it makes sense from a physiological perspective, however we have yet to see high level evidence (RCT's) that supports this to my knowledge. I unintentionally started IM during a clinical rotation (no time for breakfast, early hours leading to me going to bed early (no late night dinners/snacks)). I went from 145 to 128 in about 4 months, and have since maintained this loss. Other contributors to my personal weight loss include cutting processed wheat intake by about 60-80%, and in general eating higher quality, less processed foods. I also only follow IM strictly on weekdays, intermittently on weekends. I've linked an article that runs through some of the theory, it may be useful if you are curious. As a provider, I like IM better than other "diets" because it is flexible to patients' dietary needs and doesn't eliminate specific foods/food groups. Obviously if you are diabetic or need help regulating blood sugar/glycemic index, fasting may be dangerous so you should consult with your RD/MD.
http://burnfatnotsugar.com/assets/if.pdf
weight was lost because you were in a deficit. you mean IF not IM. IF is not a diet per say its just a window of time in which you eat your calories.if you kept the weight off its because you arent eating enough to gain weight. you are eating enough to maintain your weight.
Thank you for teaching us something so mind-blowingly new to us. . The whole purpose of this app is to track calories which every single person doing IF is doing.. your knowledge is so impressive!
actually no not everyone doing IF is counting calories many of us including myself became overweight doing IF. so no not everyone counts calories doing IF many think they can do IF and just lose weight. and as for you being abrasive find someone else to be abrasive to.5 -
I was responding directly to somebody else's statement which was on topic for the thread, not talking to you or addressing any of your statements. No reason for you to be so defensive.jonathanthewlis wrote: »So no mention in there of Intermittent Fasting, and because one person who has a disreputable past agreed that means it’s untrue?...
If I was starting to follow somebody on the internet as a source of information, I'd appreciate other people pointing out tangible evidence that he was a quack and not credible. It would keep me from going down the wrong rabbit hole.
I've been doing IF a lot longer than you or any of the others who've suddenly discovered it as the latest trend. It has worked just fine for me in terms of satiety and adherence, through both weight loss and almost a year of maintenance. But I don't believe in all the magick and wizardry that people are trying to attach to it and there's no evidence to substantiate any of it.jonathanthewlis wrote: »If it hasn’t worked for you, then say....I tried it and it didn’t work for me......
I think IF is very helpful, for some people, to control their calorie intake while experiencing minimal hunger and maximal satiety. But I also understand that it doesn't work for everybody. IIRC, I believe @psulemon has tried it in the past and said he was miserable on it, so n=1 really is n=1.
same here Im 44 and have been doing IF since proably age 9 or 10. my parents would try to make me eat breakfast but I wouldnt eat until lunch. I still gained weight doing IF eating more than I burned at one point. people think with IF they dont have to count calories and they will magically lose weight because "insulin" I have done fasting all my life like I said,and at one point I thought not fasting would "boost my metabolism,because of eating breakfast" it didnt make any difference then either.I still fast and am maintaining my weight BUT I track my calories and weigh everything otherwise I would gain weight again.4 -
gailjankovski wrote: »Hello I am new here and have an IF question. I like to eat breakfast (2 eggs, spinach, black beans) within a hour of getting up, before work. Most of the people I know doing IF fasting skip breakfast and eat 12-8. Has anyone had success eating in the morning and stopping at 4 or 5 PM? (I have a about 40 lbs to lose).
I also like to eat within an hour or so of getting up in the morning, so I have an early dinner and stop eating for the day. This 16/8 IF schedule has worked well to help me maintain a small calorie deficit for over two years, allowing me to lose the stubborn final 10 pounds of my original 70 pound loss plus a few extra pounds for good measure. If eating an early dinner works for you, that might be a useful strategy. Good luck!4 -
emjay196363 wrote: »What happened to your tat in the second pic?emjay196363 wrote: »What happened to your tat in the second pic?
Removed? Photoshop? Inquiring minds want to know .
OP, it sounds like you feel persecuted about IF for some reason. Most folks recognize IF works for some as a means to control calories. Some of the more outlandish claims for it are not proven as is evidence by psulemon's post above.
I've seen a couple of posts in this thread about people losing large amounts of weight on a short time. That isn't necessarily a good thing (unless you started morbidly obese). Losing 20lbs or more in a 2 month period likely leads to a good amount of lean body mass loss, including muscle mass and bone mass. Ideally. one wants to lose primarily fat and preserve lean body mass. There is a max rate at which the body will oxidize fat before it cannibalizes muscle and other tissue. Thus the argument against high deficits and rapid loss.
One picture is taken in the mirror the other is a selfie different arms. Sorry to dissapoint your hopes for suggesting my progress Is fake2 -
jonathanthewlis wrote: »emjay196363 wrote: »What happened to your tat in the second pic?emjay196363 wrote: »What happened to your tat in the second pic?
Removed? Photoshop? Inquiring minds want to know .
OP, it sounds like you feel persecuted about IF for some reason. Most folks recognize IF works for some as a means to control calories. Some of the more outlandish claims for it are not proven as is evidence by psulemon's post above.
I've seen a couple of posts in this thread about people losing large amounts of weight on a short time. That isn't necessarily a good thing (unless you started morbidly obese). Losing 20lbs or more in a 2 month period likely leads to a good amount of lean body mass loss, including muscle mass and bone mass. Ideally. one wants to lose primarily fat and preserve lean body mass. There is a max rate at which the body will oxidize fat before it cannibalizes muscle and other tissue. Thus the argument against high deficits and rapid loss.
One picture is taken in the mirror the other is a selfie different arms. Sorry to dissapoint your hopes for suggesting my progress Is fake
Didn't suggest anything. Asked a couple of questions though. Defensive much?2 -
Can I be clear, I haven’t at any point said it is the be all and end all. I haven’t said it’s better than any other form of process to follow. Merely highlight why I’ve chosen to do it and it’s worked for me. I didn’t invent IF nor do I benefit in anyway from promoting it, frankly if others benefit or fail in their efforts it doesn’t impact on my own succes. If it helps someone who has struggled or gives someone a new idea brilliant if not 🤷🏻♂️.4
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Insulin makes you fat - it’s not simply calories in versus calories out.17
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Insulin makes you fat - it’s not simply calories in versus calories out.
No it doesn't. You do realize all the longest living and healthiest nations consume 70-80% carbs right?
Calories, regardless of composition, cause you to get fat. And I know several people who got fat while following keto.6 -
Personally, I do not recommend Intermittent Fasting as a way to loose weight. While there are so many people claiming that it benefitted them. Long term it is a far from ideal way to loose weight. It is better to improve your diet to one that you can maintain once you reach your goal weight. For e.g. increase you fruits and vegetable intake, water intake, cut out processed food and sugar from sodas, and sugary drinks, and reduce carbohydrate and increase protein intake. Also, you want to commit to exercise - start slow and increase exercise time to 45 minutes to 1 hour daily.
I tried intermittent fasting and it elevate my blood sugar levels. I would strongly urge you to not try it as a weight loss tool.9 -
Personally, I do not recommend Intermittent Fasting as a way to loose weight. While there are so many people claiming that it benefitted them. Long term it is a far from ideal way to loose weight. It is better to improve your diet to one that you can maintain once you reach your goal weight. For e.g. increase you fruits and vegetable intake, water intake, cut out processed food and sugar from sodas, and sugary drinks, and reduce carbohydrate and increase protein intake. Also, you want to commit to exercise - start slow and increase exercise time to 45 minutes to 1 hour daily.
I tried intermittent fasting and it elevate my blood sugar levels. I would strongly urge you to not try it as a weight loss tool.
I don't fully agree. My wife follows intermittent fasting naturally. She feels sick in the morning if she tries to eat and how much greater compliance when she only eats lunch a small afternoon snack and dinner. When she tried to eat more frequent meals, it just caused her to be more hungry and she gained weight. I definitely agree that one should increase consumption of whole foods and reduce processed foods, as well as, exercise. Cutting carbs is not needs outside of personal preference.1 -
Personally, I do not recommend Intermittent Fasting as a way to loose weight. While there are so many people claiming that it benefitted them. Long term it is a far from ideal way to loose weight. It is better to improve your diet to one that you can maintain once you reach your goal weight. For e.g. increase you fruits and vegetable intake, water intake, cut out processed food and sugar from sodas, and sugary drinks, and reduce carbohydrate and increase protein intake. Also, you want to commit to exercise - start slow and increase exercise time to 45 minutes to 1 hour daily.
I tried intermittent fasting and it elevate my blood sugar levels. I would strongly urge you to not try it as a weight loss tool.
I didn’t suggest using it as a weight loss tool....and highlighted I lost weight through a caloric deficit and exercise, it has however worked for a lot of people as it hasn’t for others.2 -
Personally, I do not recommend Intermittent Fasting as a way to loose weight. While there are so many people claiming that it benefitted them. Long term it is a far from ideal way to loose weight. It is better to improve your diet to one that you can maintain once you reach your goal weight. For e.g. increase you fruits and vegetable intake, water intake, cut out processed food and sugar from sodas, and sugary drinks, and reduce carbohydrate and increase protein intake. Also, you want to commit to exercise - start slow and increase exercise time to 45 minutes to 1 hour daily.
I tried intermittent fasting and it elevate my blood sugar levels. I would strongly urge you to not try it as a weight loss tool.
I don't fully agree. My wife follows intermittent fasting naturally. She feels sick in the morning if she tries to eat and how much greater compliance when she only eats lunch a small afternoon snack and dinner. When she tried to eat more frequent meals, it just caused her to be more hungry and she gained weight. I definitely agree that one should increase consumption of whole foods and reduce processed foods, as well as, exercise. Cutting carbs is not needs outside of personal preference.
Im like your wife I feel sick in the am if I eat too. and yes for me the greater the amount of meals the hungrier I am. I have had no health issues doing it the last 34 years.I didnt do it then for weight loss and I dont do it now for weight loss.I think the person saying not to use it for weight loss doesnt get what IF really entails as for blood sugar levels elevating I have never heard of that happening with fasting. not saying it might not cause an issue but .0 -
jonathanthewlis wrote: »Personally, I do not recommend Intermittent Fasting as a way to loose weight. While there are so many people claiming that it benefitted them. Long term it is a far from ideal way to loose weight. It is better to improve your diet to one that you can maintain once you reach your goal weight. For e.g. increase you fruits and vegetable intake, water intake, cut out processed food and sugar from sodas, and sugary drinks, and reduce carbohydrate and increase protein intake. Also, you want to commit to exercise - start slow and increase exercise time to 45 minutes to 1 hour daily.
I tried intermittent fasting and it elevate my blood sugar levels. I would strongly urge you to not try it as a weight loss tool.
I didn’t suggest using it as a weight loss tool....and highlighted I lost weight through a caloric deficit and exercise, it has however worked for a lot of people as it hasn’t for others.
I think the interesting thing to note, is we spend so much time discussing all of these strategies, but at the end of the day, they all have 80-90% failure rates/regain rates. Ultimately, it all comes down to sustainability.5 -
I like IF because it prevents me from snacking. But for weight loss I haven't seen results. What am I doing wrong? I'm 5 ft 4" and weigh 125 lbs. After 8 weeks of IF, no weight loss. I weigh myself at the same time on the same scale every 10 days. I bike 4 days a week for 25 to 35 mins. My food is mainly vegie and protein with beans or rice. Any tips are appreciated to help me reach my goal of 119 lbs.0
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It works! In two months I've lost 7 lbs but also gained muscle. That a with me being a small person with not a lot to lose. I started out 16/8 now I do 20/4 almost every day and that's just because my body is happy with that time.2
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Starting 16/8 today! I've counted macros for a long time, but I find it very difficult to do when I can't control my surroundings and meal prep (traveling, celebrations, etc.). Starting with IF today along with counting macros, then IF solely when I can't be in total control. Wish me luck!1
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Good luck :drinker:1
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I struggled to lose 30 lbs for years and with IF I am only 10 lbs away from reaching my goal. I couldn't be happier and it works for me. I fast during the week as best I can and feed on the weekends. Don't feel deprived when I go out with friends on weekends1
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IF works for me.0
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