Intermittent fasting ? Does it work for you????
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joe00678mfp wrote: »INTERMITTANT FASTING - It really has to do with reduction of your insulin state (typical American diet eats too many carbs all through the day giving insulin response no break) and instead entering into the opposite catabolic state of growth and repair (human growth hormone vs insulin).
No man. That's nonsense. Insulin is not the debil and nutrient timing is all about preference. It's all about how much (calories) and much less about what (carbs) or when (timing). You can't gain weight because of insulin is a calorie deficit. Additionally insulin is anabolic (grows tissue) not catabolic and is protein sparing. You info is way off.
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I'v done intermittent fasting for a good solid year. I would walk to work be very active at my job once I was out at 1:30-2:30 I would workout. This was a time when I was barely starting out so I had no idea what I was doing but I was doing it. I included cardio on weekends my days off and within a 7month range of working out from 2-5 days added cardio. I went from 230-169!!! I lost a lot of my bodyweight and maintained some decent muscle I became very lean. I enjoyed intermittent fasting because it makes it easier not having to worry about breakfast. I was more focused and honestly you become less hungry. I could go all day without feeling my stomach growling and its pretty great feeling. The less food you consumed the less you had to worry about.7
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Dr Jason Fung is one of the leading experts on therapeutic fasting. He has had excellent results with effectively reversing the progression of Type 2 Diabetes in some of his patients - monitoring their progress, and getting them to reduce their medications, or even getting them to the point where they no longer need to take them. These case studies are evidence of how effective it can be in treating that condition.
I have watched several of Dr. Fung's lectures, and read some articles on the subject by other authors. I have yet to read either of his books, but I am on the wait list at my local lending library.
Here is a link to an interview with him by Mike Mutzel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9Aw0P7GjHE
Here is a link to a lecture he gave at Low Carb Downunder, which I think is excellent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIuj-oMN-Fk
As to myself, I've been following a low carb diet for quite some time. I've taken a good chunk of weight off, and kept it off, almost entirely with diet alone. I am adapted to using fat for fuel and have naturally gravitated towards IF, so doing it intentionally was not a problem for me, and this seems typical of my low carb friends who decide to try IF. Exercising in a fasted state was no problem for me, the exercises in my case being short hikes, walking, and dancing. I did a 24 hour fast just yesterday. I found it EASIER to abstain from food entirely than to do multiple low calorie meals throughout the same time period.
OP, Whether or not YOU should do IF depends on your goals and the condition of your health. I recommend you read up on the subject. Do your homework; get informed so you can make your own decision as to whether this is something you'd like to try.
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I’m usually not hungry in the mornings. This is change over time—I used to be starving when I woke up.
Lunch/brunch is usually my first meal. But if I’m hungry in the morning, I eat. I don’t limit myself to a window, really. I workout after work and get home late and eat dinner late.
IF is a way people can achieve a calorie deficit to lose weight or monitor their intake to maintain. A smaller window often means eating bigger meals, which some people find more satisfying.
Do whatever works for you to achieve a calorie deficit. There are many roads that will get you there and lots of detours where people spin magic crap about the magic of thus and such diet being necessary to lose weight.5 -
joe00678mfp wrote: »INTERMITTANT FASTING - It really has to do with reduction of your insulin state (typical American diet eats too many carbs all through the day giving insulin response no break) and instead entering into the opposite catabolic state of growth and repair (human growth hormone vs insulin).
No it doesn't.
I naturally do IF and have done it for years - before I knew it was a "thing". I drink coffee in the morning and I'm not hungry until late afternoon, and my current schedule doesn't let me eat until supper time generally anyway. Nothing magical about it. I've gained weight doing it, and lost weight.9 -
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FUNG is a 4 letter word around here and NOT a good 4 letter word because he doesnt know half of what he promotes.hes another dr oz. a charlatan
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I'm trying a new (for me) approach to losing weight at the moment which now that I think might classify as an IF somewhat. I alter one week of deficit (with 1lbs a week loss rate) with one or two weeks of maintanance. It is working so far.
Psychologicaly I've gotten a bit tired of trying (and not succeeding) to sustain a small (200cal) deficit for what it seems forever (I've been counting for 3 years). I think that it is better for me now to be more restrictive for a limited time and then take a week or two a break at maintanance. This way I might be able to afford eating every-so-often the deserts and treats that I think of all the time. I normally can't afford them while eating at a deficit without having to trade them for lunch or another meal. And I can't skip meals without a great discomfort. So a constant deficit makes me feel deprived and I can't sustain it for a long time.
I only have 10ish pounds to lose now so the calorie budget is small. My sedentiary maintanance is about 1500 and I exercise for around 300 more. So tdee gets to about 1800. I eat 1300 for a week and then 1800 for a week and so on.9 -
MistressPi wrote: »Dr Jason Fung is one of the leading experts on therapeutic fasting WOO
Fixed your comment for you.16 -
Lillymoo01 wrote: »MistressPi wrote: »Dr Jason Fung is one of the leading experts on therapeutic fasting WOO
Fixed your comment for you.
Actually, I find his arguments compelling. He is educated on the subject, and employs his knowledge to produce impressive results in his patients, the proof of their efficacy with the patients' results. His work is contributing to the body of scientific knowledge in autophagy. However, if you have a different expert on the subject whose work you admire, I would enjoy learning about him or her.20 -
MistressPi wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »MistressPi wrote: »Dr Jason Fung is one of the leading experts on therapeutic fasting WOO
Fixed your comment for you.
Actually, I find his arguments compelling. He is educated on the subject, and employs his knowledge to produce impressive results in his patients, the proof of their efficacy with the patients' results. His work is contributing to the body of scientific knowledge in autophagy. However, if you have a different expert on the subject whose work you admire, I would enjoy learning about him or her.
You may find his arguments compelling but experts in the field that have studied and research in this area certainly don't. In the field, he has zero credibility.13 -
Lillymoo01 wrote: »MistressPi wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »MistressPi wrote: »Dr Jason Fung is one of the leading experts on therapeutic fasting WOO
Fixed your comment for you.
Actually, I find his arguments compelling. He is educated on the subject, and employs his knowledge to produce impressive results in his patients, the proof of their efficacy with the patients' results. His work is contributing to the body of scientific knowledge in autophagy. However, if you have a different expert on the subject whose work you admire, I would enjoy learning about him or her.
You may find his arguments compelling but experts in the field that have studied and research in this area certainly don't. In the field, he has zero credibility.
Again, if you know of a different expert in the field, I would appreciate reading what s/he has to say.6 -
I usually intermittent fast, as I don’t really eat dinner so I do a 18:6 fast (or the other way round sorry) but it really works, cause it causes your body to go into starvation mode to burn more fat, but if you want to start, start with a low fats so like 12:12 or 14:10 (or the other way round again sorry) as then you can increase as your hunger stops!14
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MistressPi wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »MistressPi wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »MistressPi wrote: »Dr Jason Fung is one of the leading experts on therapeutic fasting WOO
Fixed your comment for you.
Actually, I find his arguments compelling. He is educated on the subject, and employs his knowledge to produce impressive results in his patients, the proof of their efficacy with the patients' results. His work is contributing to the body of scientific knowledge in autophagy. However, if you have a different expert on the subject whose work you admire, I would enjoy learning about him or her.
You may find his arguments compelling but experts in the field that have studied and research in this area certainly don't. In the field, he has zero credibility.
Again, if you know of a different expert in the field, I would appreciate reading what s/he has to say.
Look up Lyle McDonald. He is highly regarded and what he has to say is all evidence-based.10 -
Lillymoo01 wrote: »MistressPi wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »MistressPi wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »MistressPi wrote: »Dr Jason Fung is one of the leading experts on therapeutic fasting WOO
Fixed your comment for you.
Actually, I find his arguments compelling. He is educated on the subject, and employs his knowledge to produce impressive results in his patients, the proof of their efficacy with the patients' results. His work is contributing to the body of scientific knowledge in autophagy. However, if you have a different expert on the subject whose work you admire, I would enjoy learning about him or her.
You may find his arguments compelling but experts in the field that have studied and research in this area certainly don't. In the field, he has zero credibility.
Again, if you know of a different expert in the field, I would appreciate reading what s/he has to say.
Look up Lyle McDonald. He is highly regarded and what he has to say is all evidence-based.
Lyle just came out with his "Women's Book" on weight loss, which is excellent.
Actually IF has been used in the weight lifting community for some time, but without all the woo that Fung has attached to it.
McDonald, Martin Beckman have written about it years ago, but as a tool in the weight loss process, not a miracle cure the woo peddlers make it out to be.11 -
gebeziseva wrote: »I'm trying a new (for me) approach to losing weight at the moment which now that I think might classify as an IF somewhat. I alter one week of deficit (with 1lbs a week loss rate) with one or two weeks of maintanance. It is working so far.
Psychologicaly I've gotten a bit tired of trying (and not succeeding) to sustain a small (200cal) deficit for what it seems forever (I've been counting for 3 years). I think that it is better for me now to be more restrictive for a limited time and then take a week or two a break at maintanance. This way I might be able to afford eating every-so-often the deserts and treats that I think of all the time. I normally can't afford them while eating at a deficit without having to trade them for lunch or another meal. And I can't skip meals without a great discomfort. So a constant deficit makes me feel deprived and I can't sustain it for a long time.
I only have 10ish pounds to lose now so the calorie budget is small. My sedentiary maintanance is about 1500 and I exercise for around 300 more. So tdee gets to about 1800. I eat 1300 for a week and then 1800 for a week and so on.
This isn't IF, but a diet break. It's highly recommended by Lyle McDonald, esp. if you've been dieting for a long time.
good thread about it here....
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10604863/of-refeeds-and-diet-breaks/p14 -
MistressPi wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »MistressPi wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »MistressPi wrote: »Dr Jason Fung is one of the leading experts on therapeutic fasting WOO
Fixed your comment for you.
Actually, I find his arguments compelling. He is educated on the subject, and employs his knowledge to produce impressive results in his patients, the proof of their efficacy with the patients' results. His work is contributing to the body of scientific knowledge in autophagy. However, if you have a different expert on the subject whose work you admire, I would enjoy learning about him or her.
You may find his arguments compelling but experts in the field that have studied and research in this area certainly don't. In the field, he has zero credibility.
Again, if you know of a different expert in the field, I would appreciate reading what s/he has to say.
@MistressPi
Try Layne Norton and/or Alan Aragon.
Two experts who are actually qualified in the subject (PhD & MSc respectively) but manage to convey information very clearly.
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Third time is a charm trying to post..maybe this time I'll actually hit the Submit button (D'oh!)
I haven't really ever tried IF until recently. I've been experimenting with it some because I've been going out with colleagues at lunchtime, so my lunches are much heavier than they used to be. I've been skipping dinner. For the most part, it isn't as big of a deal since I'm usually not hungry other than feeling 'snacky'. However, I wake up the next day ready to gnaw my arm off, and it's causing me to eat bigger breakfasts. This week I'm switching up and trying to skip breakfast instead. This is day 3 and it's working for me pretty well so far. I think I've been so conditioned to three meals a day that I never paid attention to whether or not I was actually hungry at mealtime...I was more worried about the habit/obligation to eat. The last two days I have really done well with keeping right at my calorie goal, so I'm going to see if I can continue this. I don't expect it to do anything magical for weight loss outside of controlling calorie intake better, but every once in awhile it isn't a bad idea to challenge what my brain thinks should be mealtime.6 -
I usually intermittent fast, as I don’t really eat dinner so I do a 18:6 fast (or the other way round sorry) but it really works, cause it causes your body to go into starvation mode to burn more fat, but if you want to start, start with a low fats so like 12:12 or 14:10 (or the other way round again sorry) as then you can increase as your hunger stops!
NO,IF does NOT cause your body to go into starvation mode to burn more fat. you only burn so much body fat at a time as it is, and if you were truly starving your body would burn more than just fat it would be burning lean mass/muscle as well just to create energy to function. starvation mode when dieting doesnt exist. starvation does exist.12 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »I usually intermittent fast, as I don’t really eat dinner so I do a 18:6 fast (or the other way round sorry) but it really works, cause it causes your body to go into starvation mode to burn more fat, but if you want to start, start with a low fats so like 12:12 or 14:10 (or the other way round again sorry) as then you can increase as your hunger stops!
NO,IF does NOT cause your body to go into starvation mode to burn more fat. you only burn so much body fat at a time as it is, and if you were truly starving your body would burn more than just fat it would be burning lean mass/muscle as well just to create energy to function. starvation mode when dieting doesnt exist. starvation does exist.
I kinda wondered about this. The old definition of starvation mode was that your body holds onto all of the fat...but now it causes you to burn fat faster?
I must have been away too long. I can't keep my woo straight anymore.
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ive dropped probably 10 or so lbs in the past month doing so. there may be other factors at play here
for example
intermittent fasting for me is 16 hours no food 8 hours to eat 2000cals (usually ends up at 2150 or so)
have been doing a new workout program called Mass2 and it has really been busting my tail
i do 2.5 mile jog/walk at lunch during work
shoot hoops for 30-45 minutes after work just to clear my head and not think for a bit
find out what works for you. take advice from people who do it and do not be afraid to adjust
people who say they like breakfast too much believe breakfast as a meal should happen no later than 8am. by definition breakfast means to break fast. so whether you eat breakfast at 3am, 8am or 10am its still breakfast1 -
dragon_girl26 wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »I usually intermittent fast, as I don’t really eat dinner so I do a 18:6 fast (or the other way round sorry) but it really works, cause it causes your body to go into starvation mode to burn more fat, but if you want to start, start with a low fats so like 12:12 or 14:10 (or the other way round again sorry) as then you can increase as your hunger stops!
NO,IF does NOT cause your body to go into starvation mode to burn more fat. you only burn so much body fat at a time as it is, and if you were truly starving your body would burn more than just fat it would be burning lean mass/muscle as well just to create energy to function. starvation mode when dieting doesnt exist. starvation does exist.
I kinda wondered about this. The old definition of starvation mode was that your body holds onto all of the fat...but now it causes you to burn fat faster?
I must have been away too long. I can't keep my woo straight anymore.
starvation mode is believed to be when your body thinks its starving so it hold on to everything,but of course thats wrong.your body doesnt hold on to anything if starving of course.3 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »dragon_girl26 wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »I usually intermittent fast, as I don’t really eat dinner so I do a 18:6 fast (or the other way round sorry) but it really works, cause it causes your body to go into starvation mode to burn more fat, but if you want to start, start with a low fats so like 12:12 or 14:10 (or the other way round again sorry) as then you can increase as your hunger stops!
NO,IF does NOT cause your body to go into starvation mode to burn more fat. you only burn so much body fat at a time as it is, and if you were truly starving your body would burn more than just fat it would be burning lean mass/muscle as well just to create energy to function. starvation mode when dieting doesnt exist. starvation does exist.
I kinda wondered about this. The old definition of starvation mode was that your body holds onto all of the fat...but now it causes you to burn fat faster?
I must have been away too long. I can't keep my woo straight anymore.
starvation mode is believed to be when your body thinks its starving so it hold on to everything,but of course thats wrong.your body doesnt hold on to anything if starving of course.
I'm a good example of "starvation mode" not being a thing thanks to gastroparesis
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I usually intermittent fast, as I don’t really eat dinner so I do a 18:6 fast (or the other way round sorry) but it really works, cause it causes your body to go into starvation mode to burn more fat, but if you want to start, start with a low fats so like 12:12 or 14:10 (or the other way round again sorry) as then you can increase as your hunger stops!
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it's all about finding what works for you. IF works for me, because I just don't have time in to eat in the mornings. I am too busy trying to get everyone out the door with all of their things...and then I get to work and become so absorbed with the task on hand that I don't even think about food until I come up for air, usually around 12, but sometimes not until 2 or 3. But that works for me. Other people eating 5 small meals a day works. Ultimately it's all about how much and what you are eating, not really about the time of day, or how many times. This is the first time, I've found something that fits with my life, and that I can stick with long term. Try to find that balance, and go from there.5
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singingflutelady wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »dragon_girl26 wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »I usually intermittent fast, as I don’t really eat dinner so I do a 18:6 fast (or the other way round sorry) but it really works, cause it causes your body to go into starvation mode to burn more fat, but if you want to start, start with a low fats so like 12:12 or 14:10 (or the other way round again sorry) as then you can increase as your hunger stops!
NO,IF does NOT cause your body to go into starvation mode to burn more fat. you only burn so much body fat at a time as it is, and if you were truly starving your body would burn more than just fat it would be burning lean mass/muscle as well just to create energy to function. starvation mode when dieting doesnt exist. starvation does exist.
I kinda wondered about this. The old definition of starvation mode was that your body holds onto all of the fat...but now it causes you to burn fat faster?
I must have been away too long. I can't keep my woo straight anymore.
starvation mode is believed to be when your body thinks its starving so it hold on to everything,but of course thats wrong.your body doesnt hold on to anything if starving of course.
I'm a good example of "starvation mode" not being a thing thanks to gastroparesis
I'm 5'8
5/8 124
5/12 123.2
5/15 122.5
5/18 122
5/24 122.5
5/25 121.7
5/27 120.9
5/30 119.7
6/1 118.9
6/3 117.9
6/7 118. 7
6/23 118.1
6/24 117.5
6/27 117.1
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7/3 115.7
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7/13 112.5
7/15 111.9
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starvation mode would mean you wouldnt lose weight if it were a thing. and sorry you have to deal with having that health issue.1 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »dragon_girl26 wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »I usually intermittent fast, as I don’t really eat dinner so I do a 18:6 fast (or the other way round sorry) but it really works, cause it causes your body to go into starvation mode to burn more fat, but if you want to start, start with a low fats so like 12:12 or 14:10 (or the other way round again sorry) as then you can increase as your hunger stops!
NO,IF does NOT cause your body to go into starvation mode to burn more fat. you only burn so much body fat at a time as it is, and if you were truly starving your body would burn more than just fat it would be burning lean mass/muscle as well just to create energy to function. starvation mode when dieting doesnt exist. starvation does exist.
I kinda wondered about this. The old definition of starvation mode was that your body holds onto all of the fat...but now it causes you to burn fat faster?
I must have been away too long. I can't keep my woo straight anymore.
starvation mode is believed to be when your body thinks its starving so it hold on to everything,but of course thats wrong.your body doesnt hold on to anything if starving of course.
I'm a good example of "starvation mode" not being a thing thanks to gastroparesis
I'm 5'8
5/8 124
5/12 123.2
5/15 122.5
5/18 122
5/24 122.5
5/25 121.7
5/27 120.9
5/30 119.7
6/1 118.9
6/3 117.9
6/7 118. 7
6/23 118.1
6/24 117.5
6/27 117.1
7/2 116.3
7/3 115.7
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7/7 113.3
7/10 112.9
7/13 112.5
7/15 111.9
7/20 110.9
7/26 109.7
8/7 109.7
8/10 108.9
8/13 107.9
8/27 106.7
starvation mode would mean you wouldnt lose weight if it were a thing. and sorry you have to deal with having that health issue.
Thanks and yup I know.1 -
I've been doing IF for about 4 1/2 weeks, and I've lost 23 lbs (probably about 3-5 lbs of water weight) and 3 inches off my waist. I've dieted on and off throughout the years, and this has been the easiest plan to stick to for me personally.
It's not for everyone, but the narrow eating window makes it easy for me to stick closer to my calorie goal of 1200-1600, and not eating throughout the day gives me tons of time to focus on other things as well as having the side benefit of saving tons of money on not eating out since my eating window starts at 10 pm.
The reason I've lost so much weight on IF is that I've been doing a combination of a lot of suggested eating habits along with the fasting. Keto, OMAD, and 30 minutes to an hour of cardio a day averaging 150 bpm.
I think my favorite part about it overall is that the flexibility. Some days I don't eat all that great, but I can just pick it up the next day and not feel like I've ruined my diet. I've had about two weight loss plateaus so far due to letting loose and eating whatever, but I broke through them both in about 3 days of sticking to it.
Before and after.
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