Black Coffee vs White,
Slacky68
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Is black coffee better than having white ? I know coffee is probably not the best thing full stop but thought I would ask,
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In the terms of calories? Black coffee has less calories than white coffee. Because milk has more calories than not having milk.12
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Entirely personal taste - just account for the calories.
I have white coffee - which to me means small amount of skim milk, comes to about 20 calories per cup..
Of course if you add sugar, cream or anything else, the calories go up - but still up to you whether it is worth fitting in to your calorie allottment - and if so, how much how often.
I dont think coffee is bad unless you are drinking huge amounts or you have a sensitivity to caffeine.8 -
I'm getting used to it, I've always had milk, but went to the states earlier this month and getting milk was hard in some places so I started having black coffee, its growing in me,4 -
I'm getting used to it, I've always had milk, but went to the states earlier this month and getting milk was hard in some places so I started having black coffee, its growing in me,
What states? The states of the United variety? Milk is practically seeping out of every place that accepts cash check or debit card. Well, granted I haven't been to every corner of the US, but I've never heard of any place where milk is a precious commodity here, in fact the price of milk has fallen so low that many dairy farms are shutting their doors for lack of profit. Out of curiosity, where were you that getting milk was hard?
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Have it however you like it, include the extras in your calories and allow for it.
I don't know where you went in the U.S., but milk is readily available everywhere. I have never been anywhere in this country where milk is hard to find. Just wondering.6 -
Drink what you prefer, just remember to account for the extra calories from the milk/creamer.4
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hippysprout wrote: »
I'm getting used to it, I've always had milk, but went to the states earlier this month and getting milk was hard in some places so I started having black coffee, its growing in me,
What states? The states of the United variety? Milk is practically seeping out of every place that accepts cash check or debit card. Well, granted I haven't been to every corner of the US, but I've never heard of any place where milk is a precious commodity here, in fact the price of milk has fallen so low that many dairy farms are shutting their doors for lack of profit. Out of curiosity, where were you that getting milk was hard?
This is what I was wondering. I can’t imagine a store, cafe, or restaurant in any area: urban, suburban or rural, that has coffee but no milk. Were you looking for a particular type of milk and the offerings were not to your liking?9 -
It’s a bit too bitter for me completely black. I do a splash of cashew or almond milk + a bit of 0 calorie sweetener.2
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@hippysprout @WinoGelato actually I had the same experience when driving to Chicago. Stopped by a few coffee places (McDonald's for example) and when we asked for coffee with milk the servers looked at us like we were crazy... turns out they never have milk, just cream...
When we got to downtown Chicago and grabbed breakfast at a cafe, they had milk though.4 -
These threads confuse me. How can anyone else possible tell you what is best for you and especially with no other data?
Is the cream/milk a high percentage of your daily calories? Is it causing you to go over your daily calories on a regular basis? Are you lactose intolerant? Has a doctor told you to cut down on dairy products for some other reason? Are you allergic somehow to lower calorie cream/milk substitutes?
Assuming your goal is weight loss which we don't even know that for sure making everything fit that you can have without medical complications into your day/week is one of the primary objectives of making this a lifestyle. Everyone has to choose which things to keep, substitute, or eliminate based on their own preferences.11 -
WinoGelato wrote: »hippysprout wrote: »
I'm getting used to it, I've always had milk, but went to the states earlier this month and getting milk was hard in some places so I started having black coffee, its growing in me,
What states? The states of the United variety? Milk is practically seeping out of every place that accepts cash check or debit card. Well, granted I haven't been to every corner of the US, but I've never heard of any place where milk is a precious commodity here, in fact the price of milk has fallen so low that many dairy farms are shutting their doors for lack of profit. Out of curiosity, where were you that getting milk was hard?
This is what I was wondering. I can’t imagine a store, cafe, or restaurant in any area: urban, suburban or rural, that has coffee but no milk. Were you looking for a particular type of milk and the offerings were not to your liking?
From my experience, people here in Australia put milk in their coffee whereas people in the US put "creamer" or some powdered stuff that looks like dried paint powder into their coffee. But small cartons of milk aren't often provided at breakfast places etc.
For me, milk is bad enough but that other stuff is ... strange.11 -
There are upscale-ey places in the US where you can only get cream, and downscale-ey places where you can only get powdered non-dairy creamer. I take cream (and log the calories) in the upscaley places, and take my coffee black in the downscaley places.hippysprout wrote: »
I'm getting used to it, I've always had milk, but went to the states earlier this month and getting milk was hard in some places so I started having black coffee, its growing in me,
What states? The states of the United variety? Milk is practically seeping out of every place that accepts cash check or debit card. Well, granted I haven't been to every corner of the US, but I've never heard of any place where milk is a precious commodity here, in fact the price of milk has fallen so low that many dairy farms are shutting their doors for lack of profit. Out of curiosity, where were you that getting milk was hard?
(BTW, coffee doesn't come in "white" in the US. It comes "with cream/milk/creamer.")
The only way in which I can think of black or white coffee being better or worse for one's health is in the case of very bitter or highly acid coffee: milk can make it a little less hard on the stomach.
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WinoGelato wrote: »hippysprout wrote: »
I'm getting used to it, I've always had milk, but went to the states earlier this month and getting milk was hard in some places so I started having black coffee, its growing in me,
What states? The states of the United variety? Milk is practically seeping out of every place that accepts cash check or debit card. Well, granted I haven't been to every corner of the US, but I've never heard of any place where milk is a precious commodity here, in fact the price of milk has fallen so low that many dairy farms are shutting their doors for lack of profit. Out of curiosity, where were you that getting milk was hard?
This is what I was wondering. I can’t imagine a store, cafe, or restaurant in any area: urban, suburban or rural, that has coffee but no milk. Were you looking for a particular type of milk and the offerings were not to your liking?
In the south, in the winter, if a weather person even hints at snow the milk, eggs, and bread will evaporate from the shelf as if we will be shut in for weeks. Snow seldom stays on the ground for more than 3 days and traffic is hardly ever impeded for more than 24 hours but EVERY SINGLE TIME the sky is falling-ers make a run on the essentials at the store.
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So many options available in the USA at most coffee shops: Cream, whole milk, skim milk, soy milk, almond milk, coconut milk. Each has a different calorie count. Some people have put protein powder in their coffee. And some go black. Whatever you want. Coffee is a wonderful thing2
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WinoGelato wrote: »hippysprout wrote: »
I'm getting used to it, I've always had milk, but went to the states earlier this month and getting milk was hard in some places so I started having black coffee, its growing in me,
What states? The states of the United variety? Milk is practically seeping out of every place that accepts cash check or debit card. Well, granted I haven't been to every corner of the US, but I've never heard of any place where milk is a precious commodity here, in fact the price of milk has fallen so low that many dairy farms are shutting their doors for lack of profit. Out of curiosity, where were you that getting milk was hard?
This is what I was wondering. I can’t imagine a store, cafe, or restaurant in any area: urban, suburban or rural, that has coffee but no milk. Were you looking for a particular type of milk and the offerings were not to your liking?
From my experience, people here in Australia put milk in their coffee whereas people in the US put "creamer" or some powdered stuff that looks like dried paint powder into their coffee. But small cartons of milk aren't often provided at breakfast places etc.
For me, milk is bad enough but that other stuff is ... strange.
Even at places that bring cream (or, worse, give you those tiny 1 teaspoon packages of half and half) I ask for 2% milk for my coffee. I've never been told no yet and, though I wouldn't mind having to pay for it, I've never been charged for it either.
I prefer my coffee with milk in it. Quite a bit of milk, actually. At home I probably mix it 1/4 milk and 3/4 coffee. I count on it as part of my protein intake.4 -
anetkastefaniak wrote: »@hippysprout @WinoGelato actually I had the same experience when driving to Chicago. Stopped by a few coffee places (McDonald's for example) and when we asked for coffee with milk the servers looked at us like we were crazy... turns out they never have milk, just cream...
When we got to downtown Chicago and grabbed breakfast at a cafe, they had milk though.
They sell milk at McDonald’s.
The OP said milk was hard to find in some places. I have never had a problem finding milk anywhere?
I'm getting used to it, I've always had milk, but went to the states earlier this month and getting milk was hard in some places so I started having black coffee, its growing in me, [/quote]
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missysippy930 wrote: »anetkastefaniak wrote: »@hippysprout @WinoGelato actually I had the same experience when driving to Chicago. Stopped by a few coffee places (McDonald's for example) and when we asked for coffee with milk the servers looked at us like we were crazy... turns out they never have milk, just cream...
When we got to downtown Chicago and grabbed breakfast at a cafe, they had milk though.
They sell milk at McDonald’s.
The OP said milk was hard to find in some places. I have never had a problem finding milk anywhere?
I'm getting used to it, I've always had milk, but went to the states earlier this month and getting milk was hard in some places so I started having black coffee, its growing in me,
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We're not talking about buying a carton of milk like what you might get with a happy meal ... we're talking about being given a little container of milk with your coffee.0 -
missysippy930 wrote: »anetkastefaniak wrote: »@hippysprout @WinoGelato actually I had the same experience when driving to Chicago. Stopped by a few coffee places (McDonald's for example) and when we asked for coffee with milk the servers looked at us like we were crazy... turns out they never have milk, just cream...
When we got to downtown Chicago and grabbed breakfast at a cafe, they had milk though.
They sell milk at McDonald’s.
The OP said milk was hard to find in some places. I have never had a problem finding milk anywhere?
I'm getting used to it, I've always had milk, but went to the states earlier this month and getting milk was hard in some places so I started having black coffee, its growing in me,
We're not talking about buying a carton of milk like what you might get with a happy meal ... we're talking about being given a little container of milk with your coffee.[/quote]
The OP said milk was hard to find in some places in the US. Where? I have never had a problem finding milk anywhere, ever. If you want it in little containers for coffee, and the restaurant doesn’t serve milk that way, get cream or purchase a glass or small carton of milk for your coffee. Easy solution.
Every state in this country has milk producers and every restaurant or store that serves coffee, that I have been to has milk.
Where can’t you find milk?
It’s a staple.1 -
missysippy930 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »anetkastefaniak wrote: »@hippysprout @WinoGelato actually I had the same experience when driving to Chicago. Stopped by a few coffee places (McDonald's for example) and when we asked for coffee with milk the servers looked at us like we were crazy... turns out they never have milk, just cream...
When we got to downtown Chicago and grabbed breakfast at a cafe, they had milk though.
They sell milk at McDonald’s.
The OP said milk was hard to find in some places. I have never had a problem finding milk anywhere?
I'm getting used to it, I've always had milk, but went to the states earlier this month and getting milk was hard in some places so I started having black coffee, its growing in me,
We're not talking about buying a carton of milk like what you might get with a happy meal ... we're talking about being given a little container of milk with your coffee.
The OP said milk was hard to find in some places in the US. Where? I have never had a problem finding milk anywhere, ever. If you want it in little containers for coffee, and the restaurant doesn’t serve milk that way, get cream or purchase a glass or small carton of milk for your coffee. Easy solution.
Every state in this country has milk producers and every restaurant or store that serves coffee, that I have been to has milk.
Where can’t you find milk?
It’s a staple.
Cream isn't milk.
And in Australia, we're used to being served milk in the coffee, or in little containers on the side. They even want to give me milk in my black coffee or in little containers on the side. I often agree to the little containers on the side because my husband drinks coffee with milk (not cream!!) and will sometimes use more then 2 little containers.
I'll say, "I'll have a long black please" and they'll say, would you like that with milk and sugar? I'll say, "No, just black, thanks". I think I'm the only person in Australia who drinks her long black, black. But they mean real milk ... whole milk, not 2%.
Like this ... or sometimes the milk is in little plastic containers.
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I mean, I think we all know that cream isn't milk. I'm just saying that even at McDonald's you can buy a small carton of milk for pocket change. Not that it's the best option, just that it's readily available if you really want milk for your coffee.
I've also been to upscale restaurants and I've never once had an issue getting some milk. As has been said, it's a staple. It would be like asking for salt at an eatery and getting denied.
Anyway I think we digress lol, I prefer flavored creamers in moderation with my coffee. As far as what's "best", that's a personal decision based on your tastes, and your calorie needs for the day.2 -
@Mahcka9
I understood what you were saying.
I must have missed where OP was referring to the States of Australia 🇦🇺🤭
I assumed the United States of America.
Must have missed that part. Apologies.💐
Milk is available everywhere in the USA and cream is a part of unhomogenized milk. Just saying.2 -
I have never been anywhere in the US where all they had was powdered creamer, maybe there is somewhere regionally that I haven't been yet. Some places will give you cream rather than milk unless you specify. I always use that as an excuse to indulge in a little cream, because unless you are putting a little coffee in your cream, the calorie difference is negligible. If it's a sit down place, they give you a bowl with the little sealed plastic cups of milk or cream, or a little pitcher.
There seems to be this idea internationally that Americans typically put powdered creamer in their coffee. I literally have never met anyone who did, and have never been anywhere it is the preferred choice. Some workplaces that have a coffee maker provide powdered creamer because they can't keep fresh milk available, and I'm sure there are gas stations or something where you can get a warm cup of sludgey coffee and have to use powdered creamer, but it really isn't even remotely popular.
Fast food places usually use whole milk, and you can ask for skim.
OP, unless you are really loading up your coffee with milk or cream, it probably doesn't matter, but you want to log it as it does have calories. At home, measure out how much milk you like in your coffee and log it. If you can handle the calorie hit, get used to what that looks like so when you are out, you can estimate and log appropriately. I believe black coffee has just less than 10 calories per cup? My coffee with milk (a quarter cup of 2% Fairlife) comes to @ 50 calories per cup.9 -
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anetkastefaniak wrote: »@hippysprout @WinoGelato actually I had the same experience when driving to Chicago. Stopped by a few coffee places (McDonald's for example) and when we asked for coffee with milk the servers looked at us like we were crazy... turns out they never have milk, just cream...
When we got to downtown Chicago and grabbed breakfast at a cafe, they had milk though.
Fast food restaurants are a different animal. Soda and coffee are the only things dispensed and everything else is in packages. Milk does not come in the little pods for adding to coffee. Flavored creamers and Half & Half (which isn't cream BTW, it is a mix of cream and milk) are the only things packaged that way. If you want milk, you need to purchase a bottle which (I think) is 8 oz. It is a food safety thing. The people behind the counter cannot even add the white stuff for you. Regular restaurants and especially cafe's will have milk on hand.4 -
WinoGelato wrote: »hippysprout wrote: »
I'm getting used to it, I've always had milk, but went to the states earlier this month and getting milk was hard in some places so I started having black coffee, its growing in me,
What states? The states of the United variety? Milk is practically seeping out of every place that accepts cash check or debit card. Well, granted I haven't been to every corner of the US, but I've never heard of any place where milk is a precious commodity here, in fact the price of milk has fallen so low that many dairy farms are shutting their doors for lack of profit. Out of curiosity, where were you that getting milk was hard?
This is what I was wondering. I can’t imagine a store, cafe, or restaurant in any area: urban, suburban or rural, that has coffee but no milk. Were you looking for a particular type of milk and the offerings were not to your liking?
From my experience, people here in Australia put milk in their coffee whereas people in the US put "creamer" or some powdered stuff that looks like dried paint powder into their coffee. But small cartons of milk aren't often provided at breakfast places etc.
For me, milk is bad enough but that other stuff is ... strange.
Of course small cartons of milk aren't provided, unless you're in a really crappy place where "breakfast" consists of one-serving cardboard boxes of cereal, sealed plastic containers of orange juice, really bad coffee, and the aforementioned small cartons of milk.
That would be a really uneconomic way for a restaurant to provide milk for people to put in their coffee. Maybe in Australia you have a cup of milk with a splash of coffee, but in the U.S. most people get a cup of coffee and put a splash of milk or cream in it. Health and safety rules would prevent the restaurant from collecting an opened but unfinished carton of milk and using the remainder in the kitchen or putting it on the table of another guest. So they buy milk and cream in large containers, in bulk, and portion it out in small amounts.
If you were in a breakfast place that had table service in the US, upon request (and usually they'll ask you if you want it) they would either bring you a small container of "cream" (usually half and half or light cream -- half and half is a mix of whole milk and cream, while light/table/coffee cream is somewhere between half and half and heavy/whipping cream in fat content), or they might bring you a small bowl or plate with shelf-stable (ultra-pasteurized) mini containers of half and half and, possibly, flavored "creamers," or they might actually have that sitting on the table already with the salt and pepper. Half and half is a real dairy product, not the fake stuff historically provided as either powdered or liquid "creamer." These days, the liquid flavored "creamers" may or may not contain dairy.
If it was a breakfast place (or pretty much any place in the U.S. that you could buy brewed coffee or espresso-based drinks) that didn't have table service, there would be someplace in the establishment (usually away from the cash register) with either pitchers or insulated carafes of milk, cream, non-dairy "milk," sugar, sugar substitutes, etc., or the aforementioned shelf-stable mini containers or half and half and flavored creamers.
Some places where you order coffee at the counter (like Dunkin' Donuts) ask you how you want it, and they add the milk/cream/sugar/artificial sweetener to your coffee before they give it to you.
I have been drinking coffee all over the U.S. in a wide variety of venues for close to 40 years, and I don't think I have ever encountered an exception to these practices, other than the odd occasion where they had forgotten to refill the milk or creamer containers, or maybe had run out of one specific type (i.e., "I'm sorry, we're out of whole milk -- would you rather have skim milk or cream?")8 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »hippysprout wrote: »
I'm getting used to it, I've always had milk, but went to the states earlier this month and getting milk was hard in some places so I started having black coffee, its growing in me,
What states? The states of the United variety? Milk is practically seeping out of every place that accepts cash check or debit card. Well, granted I haven't been to every corner of the US, but I've never heard of any place where milk is a precious commodity here, in fact the price of milk has fallen so low that many dairy farms are shutting their doors for lack of profit. Out of curiosity, where were you that getting milk was hard?
This is what I was wondering. I can’t imagine a store, cafe, or restaurant in any area: urban, suburban or rural, that has coffee but no milk. Were you looking for a particular type of milk and the offerings were not to your liking?
From my experience, people here in Australia put milk in their coffee whereas people in the US put "creamer" or some powdered stuff that looks like dried paint powder into their coffee. But small cartons of milk aren't often provided at breakfast places etc.
For me, milk is bad enough but that other stuff is ... strange.
Of course small cartons of milk aren't provided, unless you're in a really crappy place where "breakfast" consists of one-serving cardboard boxes of cereal, sealed plastic containers of orange juice, really bad coffee, and the aforementioned small cartons of milk.
What you're thinking of as a carton of milk and what I'm thinking of are two different things.
Carton is probably not the right word for it. Another word might be pod. It's a little plastic "cup" with a foil top.
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Who's going through and Woo-ing everyone here.
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