Keto and Cholesterol
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My HDL went up from 225 to 258 and my LDL went from 156 to 188. My Dr said at 190, they put you on medication. That’s the last thinking I want is to be on medication. High cholesterol runs on both sides of my family.
How was your HDL this high? That seems astronomical for this particular type of lipoprotein.
I'm guessing they meant total cholesterol went to 258 and LDL to 188, that would make HDL 70, which would make more sense.
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ilovefoodalldamnday wrote: »For what it's worth, my RD at mayo clinic stated very bluntly that KETO is a therapeutic diet only for use in the most extreme circumstances. It definitely can shoot up cholesterol, especially if your genetics are not in your favor. I went on it for a month and my cholesterol was through the roof. Her answer and what worked for me was to eat the rainbow! The classic diet of whole grains, tons of fiber, tons of fruits and veggies was spot on. She also mentioned looking into the Nordic or Mediterranean ways of eating as they are some of the healthiest diets in the world. Don't do a fad diet, it will only bite you in the *kitten* (and the arteries).
Absolutely. Your opinion is worth it. When rigid eating rules your life, get ready for the food explosion that may sneak up on you out of the blue. Might be a year or two down the road but rigid eating, eliminating food groups for months or years can cause a course correction that will not be denied. The brain kicks into overdrive because those old neural pathways don't really die. They just go dormant until you fall asleep at the wheel. If it wasn't true, there would be no such thing as eating it all back with rebound weight gain.
This may be true for some people but there are folks on these boards who have successfully maintained on low-carb/keto for upwards of 5 years or more.
I like Carlos' way of thinking and eating. There are many debate threads for keto advocates but I'm over it. I like the new members opinions, too. Very much so.0 -
My HDL went up from 225 to 258 and my LDL went from 156 to 188. My Dr said at 190, they put you on medication. That’s the last thinking I want is to be on medication. High cholesterol runs on both sides of my family.
How was your HDL this high? That seems astronomical for this particular type of lipoprotein.
I'm guessing they meant total cholesterol went to 258 and LDL to 188, that would make HDL 70, which would make more sense.
I think the triglyceride number is also included in the total cholesterol number, along with LDL and HDL, which would mean that HDL is probably not as high as 70.0 -
OP: How long were you on a keto WOE? I am not a MD but from my research HDL usually goes up and LDL goes down. There is a you tube video by fitterU that explains that in rare cases a person on keto or LCHF diet will see an increase in LDL. You may be one of these people. I myself am waiting for enough time to go by to check my blood cholesterol number to see how I am doing.8
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »My HDL went up from 225 to 258 and my LDL went from 156 to 188. My Dr said at 190, they put you on medication. That’s the last thinking I want is to be on medication. High cholesterol runs on both sides of my family.
How was your HDL this high? That seems astronomical for this particular type of lipoprotein.
I'm guessing they meant total cholesterol went to 258 and LDL to 188, that would make HDL 70, which would make more sense.
I think the triglyceride number is also included in the total cholesterol number, along with LDL and HDL, which would mean that HDL is probably not as high as 70.
It is not. It is HDL + VLDL + LDL
These are my recent numbers:
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My HDL went up from 225 to 258 and my LDL went from 156 to 188. My Dr said at 190, they put you on medication. That’s the last thinking I want is to be on medication. High cholesterol runs on both sides of my family.
Your HDL is 258? Could you have that mixed up with total cholesterol? Total cholesterol is HDL+LDL (approximate). If 258 is your total, and LDL is 188, then your HDL would be upwards of 65-70, which is quite good.
Do you know what your triglycerides did?
The Great Cholesterol Myth, Cholesterol Con or even Cholesterol Clarity are good books on the matter. So is Teicholz's Big Fat Surprise.happytree923 wrote: »What went up? If it was total cholesterol, I would ignore it. Completely.
HDL usually goes up.
LDL reactions will vary. Sometimes up, down or stays the same. For most people though, the particle size and density improves which is a sign of good health.
Triglycerides usually go down with low carb although while losing they may be temporarily elevated. HDL and tri ratio is an okay indicator of CVD risk.
So if HDL goes up, and LDL stays around the same, then total cholesterol does go up.... Its a really poor marker of CVD risk, IMO.
Fasting ends to raise cholesterol too. If you fasted over 12 hours or ate very little in the days prior to testing, that could raise cholesterol too.
If familial hypercholesterolemia runs in your family, then you may need to change your diet. If there is not a chance of FH, I would keep going. IMO.
Do you have a medical degree? What training do you have to say that something is or isn't a marker of CVD risk?
Some people react poorly to a keto diet. OP should listen to her DOCTOR and not keto dieters with Google U degrees. God it pisses me off when people deny each and every negative experience strangers have with their WOE because it challenges their magical thinking.
I denied her negative experience?
Hardly. You'll note the use of the word "usually" over and over? The use of IMO? The use of the word "vary"? I think you have greatly overreacted.
No, I am not a medical doctor but I am widely read on cholesterol and diets. I've read many books and journal articles and everything reputable says the same thing that I wrote.
I know keto is not for everyone, but the vast majority of low carbers have their cholesterol respond in a certain way. Having a HDL go down, triglycerides go up, and LDL turn into a less favorable particle size is not typical. That's just the way it is. It isn't magic. Just what modern science has shown.Carlos_421 wrote: »What went up? If it was total cholesterol, I would ignore it. Completely.
HDL usually goes up.
LDL reactions will vary. Sometimes up, down or stays the same. For most people though, the particle size and density improves which is a sign of good health.
Triglycerides usually go down with low carb although while losing they may be temporarily elevated. HDL and tri ratio is an okay indicator of CVD risk.
So if HDL goes up, and LDL stays around the same, then total cholesterol does go up.... Its a really poor marker of CVD risk, IMO.
Fasting ends to raise cholesterol too. If you fasted over 12 hours or ate very little in the days prior to testing, that could raise cholesterol too.
If familial hypercholesterolemia runs in your family, then you may need to change your diet. If there is not a chance of FH, I would keep going. IMO.
No. Just no.
Please don't tell someone to ignore the results of their blood work just because the recommended course of action is to abandon your favorite diet. It's grossly irresponsible.
Recommending that they consult with their doctor about the results is fine. Telling them to wholly disregard them is not.
Besides, you're wrong. Total cholesterol is not something to completely ignore.
That's not what I said to do.
And no, I disagree. Total cholesterol is pretty weak as an indicator of CVD and can be often ignored - especially in women. HDL and triglycerides and LDL particle size are better indicators of health.
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I denied her negative experience? Hardly. You'll note the use of the word "usually" over and over? The use of IMO? The use of the word "vary"? I think you have greatly overreacted.
No, I am not a medical doctor but I am widely read on cholesterol and diets. I've read many books and journal articles and everything reputable says the same thing that I wrote.
I know keto is not for everyone, but the vast majority of low carbers have their cholesterol respond in a certain way. Having a HDL go down, triglycerides go up, and LDL turn into a less favorable particle size is not typical. That's just the way it is. It isn't magic. Just what modern science has shown.
Ok, so Google U degree as suspected. Regardless of your qualifiers you clearly were trying to defend extreme low carb diets as healthy even if someone's blood work does not reflect that. Adding "IMO" does not make it ok to tell OP to disregard medical advice as you did in your last sentence. Bye.
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Those books are all cherry picked one-sided hack jobs by cholesterol denialists. None of them remotely resemble reality. Teicholz book is probably the worst of the bunch. She has no formal education in science, research or medicine but somehow is a self proclaimed expert. She completely misrepresents the actual science.The Great Cholesterol Myth, Cholesterol Con or even Cholesterol Clarity are good books on the matter. So is Teicholz's Big Fat Surprise.
You are a perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect, if you don't know what it is, look it up. The problem is that you get your misinformation from cherry-picked books, keto propaganda websites and youtube videos that confirm your fixed ideology. Science is hard, books and videos are easy, that's why you choose books and videos.No, I am not a medical doctor but I am widely read on cholesterol and diets. I've read many books and journal articles
No, no it doesn't. Not even close. I'm not sure if you realize this but cholesterol denialist books and youtube videos are not reputable.and everything reputable says the same thing that I wrote.
No matter how many times you deny it, total cholesterol is a risk factor for cvd in both men and women.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27016614
Yes, it is. You said this:That's not what I said to do.
You have no knowledge of OP's clinical condition. To give advice like this is potentially dangerous. You have no idea what you are talking about.What went up? If it was total cholesterol, I would ignore it. Completely.
Disagree all you want, you are still wrong, very wrong. Please stop giving this advice. You have no formal education in science, research, or medicine. It is a very complex topic of which you have a very limited and grossly wrong understanding of. Just stop.And no, I disagree. Total cholesterol is pretty weak as an indicator of CVD and can be often ignored - especially in women.
I don't why I'm asking this, but here goes:HDL and triglycerides and LDL particle size are better indicators of health.
Do you have any proof to back up this assertion? like a peer-reviewed journal article?26 -
My HDL went up from 225 to 258 and my LDL went from 156 to 188. My Dr said at 190, they put you on medication. That’s the last thinking I want is to be on medication. High cholesterol runs on both sides of my family.
How was your HDL this high? That seems astronomical for this particular type of lipoprotein.
I’m sorry, you’re right, that was my total cholesterol, not my HDL. Diet is very irritating to me because when I was younger I could eat anything. Everyone here has been amazing and I think that going the traditional way of eating is the better way of eating for me after all.
More fruits and veggies, less red meat, less fats, more legumes, everything in moderation ❤️20 -
My HDL went up from 225 to 258 and my LDL went from 156 to 188. My Dr said at 190, they put you on medication. That’s the last thinking I want is to be on medication. High cholesterol runs on both sides of my family.
How was your HDL this high? That seems astronomical for this particular type of lipoprotein.
I’m sorry, you’re right, that was my total cholesterol, not my HDL. Diet is very irritating to me because when I was younger I could eat anything. Everyone here has been amazing and I think that going the traditional way of eating is the better way of eating for me after all.
More fruits and veggies, less red meat, less fats, more legumes, everything in moderation ❤️
I wholeheartedly agree with this. If in doubt then you can always see a registered dietician for some sound advice. Good luck with reducing your cholesterol.1 -
My HDL went up from 225 to 258 and my LDL went from 156 to 188. My Dr said at 190, they put you on medication. That’s the last thinking I want is to be on medication. High cholesterol runs on both sides of my family.
Your HDL is 258? Could you have that mixed up with total cholesterol? Total cholesterol is HDL+LDL (approximate). If 258 is your total, and LDL is 188, then your HDL would be upwards of 65-70, which is quite good.
Do you know what your triglycerides did?
The Great Cholesterol Myth, Cholesterol Con or even Cholesterol Clarity are good books on the matter. So is Teicholz's Big Fat Surprise.happytree923 wrote: »What went up? If it was total cholesterol, I would ignore it. Completely.
HDL usually goes up.
LDL reactions will vary. Sometimes up, down or stays the same. For most people though, the particle size and density improves which is a sign of good health.
Triglycerides usually go down with low carb although while losing they may be temporarily elevated. HDL and tri ratio is an okay indicator of CVD risk.
So if HDL goes up, and LDL stays around the same, then total cholesterol does go up.... Its a really poor marker of CVD risk, IMO.
Fasting ends to raise cholesterol too. If you fasted over 12 hours or ate very little in the days prior to testing, that could raise cholesterol too.
If familial hypercholesterolemia runs in your family, then you may need to change your diet. If there is not a chance of FH, I would keep going. IMO.
Do you have a medical degree? What training do you have to say that something is or isn't a marker of CVD risk?
Some people react poorly to a keto diet. OP should listen to her DOCTOR and not keto dieters with Google U degrees. God it pisses me off when people deny each and every negative experience strangers have with their WOE because it challenges their magical thinking.
I denied her negative experience? Hardly. You'll note the use of the word "usually" over and over? The use of IMO? The use of the word "vary"? I think you have greatly overreacted.
No, I am not a medical doctor but I am widely read on cholesterol and diets. I've read many books and journal articles and everything reputable says the same thing that I wrote.
I know keto is not for everyone, but the vast majority of low carbers have their cholesterol respond in a certain way. Having a HDL go down, triglycerides go up, and LDL turn into a less favorable particle size is not typical. That's just the way it is. It isn't magic. Just what modern science has shown.Carlos_421 wrote: »What went up? If it was total cholesterol, I would ignore it. Completely.
HDL usually goes up.
LDL reactions will vary. Sometimes up, down or stays the same. For most people though, the particle size and density improves which is a sign of good health.
Triglycerides usually go down with low carb although while losing they may be temporarily elevated. HDL and tri ratio is an okay indicator of CVD risk.
So if HDL goes up, and LDL stays around the same, then total cholesterol does go up.... Its a really poor marker of CVD risk, IMO.
Fasting ends to raise cholesterol too. If you fasted over 12 hours or ate very little in the days prior to testing, that could raise cholesterol too.
If familial hypercholesterolemia runs in your family, then you may need to change your diet. If there is not a chance of FH, I would keep going. IMO.
No. Just no.
Please don't tell someone to ignore the results of their blood work just because the recommended course of action is to abandon your favorite diet. It's grossly irresponsible.
Recommending that they consult with their doctor about the results is fine. Telling them to wholly disregard them is not.
Besides, you're wrong. Total cholesterol is not something to completely ignore.
That's not what I said to do.
And no, I disagree. Total cholesterol is pretty weak as an indicator of CVD and can be often ignored - especially in women. HDL and triglycerides and LDL particle size are better indicators of health.
Yes, yes you did.What went up? If it was total cholesterol, I would ignore it. Completely.10 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »My HDL went up from 225 to 258 and my LDL went from 156 to 188. My Dr said at 190, they put you on medication. That’s the last thinking I want is to be on medication. High cholesterol runs on both sides of my family.
Your HDL is 258? Could you have that mixed up with total cholesterol? Total cholesterol is HDL+LDL (approximate). If 258 is your total, and LDL is 188, then your HDL would be upwards of 65-70, which is quite good.
Do you know what your triglycerides did?
The Great Cholesterol Myth, Cholesterol Con or even Cholesterol Clarity are good books on the matter. So is Teicholz's Big Fat Surprise.happytree923 wrote: »What went up? If it was total cholesterol, I would ignore it. Completely.
HDL usually goes up.
LDL reactions will vary. Sometimes up, down or stays the same. For most people though, the particle size and density improves which is a sign of good health.
Triglycerides usually go down with low carb although while losing they may be temporarily elevated. HDL and tri ratio is an okay indicator of CVD risk.
So if HDL goes up, and LDL stays around the same, then total cholesterol does go up.... Its a really poor marker of CVD risk, IMO.
Fasting ends to raise cholesterol too. If you fasted over 12 hours or ate very little in the days prior to testing, that could raise cholesterol too.
If familial hypercholesterolemia runs in your family, then you may need to change your diet. If there is not a chance of FH, I would keep going. IMO.
Do you have a medical degree? What training do you have to say that something is or isn't a marker of CVD risk?
Some people react poorly to a keto diet. OP should listen to her DOCTOR and not keto dieters with Google U degrees. God it pisses me off when people deny each and every negative experience strangers have with their WOE because it challenges their magical thinking.
I denied her negative experience? Hardly. You'll note the use of the word "usually" over and over? The use of IMO? The use of the word "vary"? I think you have greatly overreacted.
No, I am not a medical doctor but I am widely read on cholesterol and diets. I've read many books and journal articles and everything reputable says the same thing that I wrote.
I know keto is not for everyone, but the vast majority of low carbers have their cholesterol respond in a certain way. Having a HDL go down, triglycerides go up, and LDL turn into a less favorable particle size is not typical. That's just the way it is. It isn't magic. Just what modern science has shown.Carlos_421 wrote: »What went up? If it was total cholesterol, I would ignore it. Completely.
HDL usually goes up.
LDL reactions will vary. Sometimes up, down or stays the same. For most people though, the particle size and density improves which is a sign of good health.
Triglycerides usually go down with low carb although while losing they may be temporarily elevated. HDL and tri ratio is an okay indicator of CVD risk.
So if HDL goes up, and LDL stays around the same, then total cholesterol does go up.... Its a really poor marker of CVD risk, IMO.
Fasting ends to raise cholesterol too. If you fasted over 12 hours or ate very little in the days prior to testing, that could raise cholesterol too.
If familial hypercholesterolemia runs in your family, then you may need to change your diet. If there is not a chance of FH, I would keep going. IMO.
No. Just no.
Please don't tell someone to ignore the results of their blood work just because the recommended course of action is to abandon your favorite diet. It's grossly irresponsible.
Recommending that they consult with their doctor about the results is fine. Telling them to wholly disregard them is not.
Besides, you're wrong. Total cholesterol is not something to completely ignore.
That's not what I said to do.
And no, I disagree. Total cholesterol is pretty weak as an indicator of CVD and can be often ignored - especially in women. HDL and triglycerides and LDL particle size are better indicators of health.
Yes, yes you did.What went up? If it was total cholesterol, I would ignore it. Completely.
I was disagreeing with what you wrote which was:Please don't tell someone to ignore the results of their blood work just because the recommended course of action is to abandon your favorite diet. It's grossly irresponsible.
That's not what I was saying. Holy over reaction Batman.
I believe I also wroteIf familial hypercholesterolemia runs in your family, then you may need to change your diet. If there is not a chance of FH, I would keep going. IMO.
It's a moot point anyways since the OP prefers to pursue a diet of moderation of all things. I always assume that people can think for themselves, and then all you can do is respect their decision.
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happytree923 wrote: »I denied her negative experience? Hardly. You'll note the use of the word "usually" over and over? The use of IMO? The use of the word "vary"? I think you have greatly overreacted.
No, I am not a medical doctor but I am widely read on cholesterol and diets. I've read many books and journal articles and everything reputable says the same thing that I wrote.
I know keto is not for everyone, but the vast majority of low carbers have their cholesterol respond in a certain way. Having a HDL go down, triglycerides go up, and LDL turn into a less favorable particle size is not typical. That's just the way it is. It isn't magic. Just what modern science has shown.
Ok, so Google U degree as suspected. Regardless of your qualifiers you clearly were trying to defend extreme low carb diets as healthy even if someone's blood work does not reflect that. Adding "IMO" does not make it ok to tell OP to disregard medical advice as you did in your last sentence. Bye.
So, what do you believe slightly elevated LDL will do to you? Do you think that is a risk factor for women?
If you think slightly elevated LDL is bad, that is your opinion. Unless you have evidence that slightly elevated LDL is dangerous for women with good HDL readings. Nothing definitive.11 -
happytree923 wrote: »I denied her negative experience? Hardly. You'll note the use of the word "usually" over and over? The use of IMO? The use of the word "vary"? I think you have greatly overreacted.
No, I am not a medical doctor but I am widely read on cholesterol and diets. I've read many books and journal articles and everything reputable says the same thing that I wrote.
I know keto is not for everyone, but the vast majority of low carbers have their cholesterol respond in a certain way. Having a HDL go down, triglycerides go up, and LDL turn into a less favorable particle size is not typical. That's just the way it is. It isn't magic. Just what modern science has shown.
Ok, so Google U degree as suspected. Regardless of your qualifiers you clearly were trying to defend extreme low carb diets as healthy even if someone's blood work does not reflect that. Adding "IMO" does not make it ok to tell OP to disregard medical advice as you did in your last sentence. Bye.
So, what do you believe slightly elevated LDL will do to you? Do you think that is a risk factor for women?
If you think slightly elevated LDL is bad, that is your opinion. Unless you have evidence that slightly elevated LDL is dangerous for women with good HDL readings. Nothing definitive.
I can't answer that question for four reasons.
1. I have no information about OP's medical history (and neither do you).
2. I have no information about OP's family history (and neither do you).
3. I have no information about any other risk factors OP might have (and neither do you).
4. I'm not a doctor and neither are you.
You're also moving the goal posts, 'slightly elevated' is not what we're talking about. One-off slightly elevated lab results of any test are usually not cause for concern. Since OP came here to make this post, I am sure her doctor did not tell her that the results were insignificant. I'm not arguing whether or not xyz cholesterol level is good or bad. I have no idea because I have no training to assess an individual's heart disease risk. I'm telling you that the advice you are giving to ignore medical advice is irresponsible and heavily biased by your belief in completely unproven benefits of the keto diet. Stop.21 -
@Anikib LDL is not a blood measurement, but rather a calculation. If your triglycerides dropped, then your LDL will go up. There has been some research into this for folks eating low carb. The few studies I've seen showed all cholesterol measurements went up, except triglycerides, in the 6 month window and then progressed downward. I have been doing keto for 5 months and just had my cholesterol checked. My triglycerides dropped 30% and my husband's went down 40%, but our LDL went up (as expected with the markedly lower trig). Here's the formula for LDL level:
LDL cholesterol =
[Total cholesterol]/1.19 +TG/1.9 – [HDL cholesterol]/1.1 – 38
It's good to have it monitored by docs and I plan to have mine rechecked in another 6 months to year to look at how it's progressing.1 -
My HDL went up from 225 to 258 and my LDL went from 156 to 188. My Dr said at 190, they put you on medication. That’s the last thinking I want is to be on medication. High cholesterol runs on both sides of my family.
How was your HDL this high? That seems astronomical for this particular type of lipoprotein.
I’m sorry, you’re right, that was my total cholesterol, not my HDL. Diet is very irritating to me because when I was younger I could eat anything. Everyone here has been amazing and I think that going the traditional way of eating is the better way of eating for me after all.
More fruits and veggies, less red meat, less fats, more legumes, everything in moderation ❤️
^^sounds good to me
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Hi everyone! I have been doing Keto for quite awhile and really liked it because I thought it was really easy to follow since haven’t eaten gluten in 4 years anyways. But, I just got my annual blood work done and my cholesterol was through the roof! I mean really super high!! It went up over 30 points!
High cholesterol runs in my family anyways and I’ve struggled with it in the past so I can’t have it being this high, so no more Keto for me. My question is, is this common with Keto? And, since I’m going back to regular dieting, what should my percentages be to get my cholesterol down.
Thanks a bunch ❤️
It happened to me four years ago and has worked down from 400 to 300 and last month the doctor said no issue since my HDL is 69 Triglycerides was 88 and to keep doing everything and see her in a year. I am a 67 year old male by the way so higher cholesterol can be protective.
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Carlos_421 wrote: »My HDL went up from 225 to 258 and my LDL went from 156 to 188. My Dr said at 190, they put you on medication. That’s the last thinking I want is to be on medication. High cholesterol runs on both sides of my family.
Your HDL is 258? Could you have that mixed up with total cholesterol? Total cholesterol is HDL+LDL (approximate). If 258 is your total, and LDL is 188, then your HDL would be upwards of 65-70, which is quite good.
Do you know what your triglycerides did?
The Great Cholesterol Myth, Cholesterol Con or even Cholesterol Clarity are good books on the matter. So is Teicholz's Big Fat Surprise.happytree923 wrote: »What went up? If it was total cholesterol, I would ignore it. Completely.
HDL usually goes up.
LDL reactions will vary. Sometimes up, down or stays the same. For most people though, the particle size and density improves which is a sign of good health.
Triglycerides usually go down with low carb although while losing they may be temporarily elevated. HDL and tri ratio is an okay indicator of CVD risk.
So if HDL goes up, and LDL stays around the same, then total cholesterol does go up.... Its a really poor marker of CVD risk, IMO.
Fasting ends to raise cholesterol too. If you fasted over 12 hours or ate very little in the days prior to testing, that could raise cholesterol too.
If familial hypercholesterolemia runs in your family, then you may need to change your diet. If there is not a chance of FH, I would keep going. IMO.
Do you have a medical degree? What training do you have to say that something is or isn't a marker of CVD risk?
Some people react poorly to a keto diet. OP should listen to her DOCTOR and not keto dieters with Google U degrees. God it pisses me off when people deny each and every negative experience strangers have with their WOE because it challenges their magical thinking.
I denied her negative experience? Hardly. You'll note the use of the word "usually" over and over? The use of IMO? The use of the word "vary"? I think you have greatly overreacted.
No, I am not a medical doctor but I am widely read on cholesterol and diets. I've read many books and journal articles and everything reputable says the same thing that I wrote.
I know keto is not for everyone, but the vast majority of low carbers have their cholesterol respond in a certain way. Having a HDL go down, triglycerides go up, and LDL turn into a less favorable particle size is not typical. That's just the way it is. It isn't magic. Just what modern science has shown.Carlos_421 wrote: »What went up? If it was total cholesterol, I would ignore it. Completely.
HDL usually goes up.
LDL reactions will vary. Sometimes up, down or stays the same. For most people though, the particle size and density improves which is a sign of good health.
Triglycerides usually go down with low carb although while losing they may be temporarily elevated. HDL and tri ratio is an okay indicator of CVD risk.
So if HDL goes up, and LDL stays around the same, then total cholesterol does go up.... Its a really poor marker of CVD risk, IMO.
Fasting ends to raise cholesterol too. If you fasted over 12 hours or ate very little in the days prior to testing, that could raise cholesterol too.
If familial hypercholesterolemia runs in your family, then you may need to change your diet. If there is not a chance of FH, I would keep going. IMO.
No. Just no.
Please don't tell someone to ignore the results of their blood work just because the recommended course of action is to abandon your favorite diet. It's grossly irresponsible.
Recommending that they consult with their doctor about the results is fine. Telling them to wholly disregard them is not.
Besides, you're wrong. Total cholesterol is not something to completely ignore.
That's not what I said to do.
And no, I disagree. Total cholesterol is pretty weak as an indicator of CVD and can be often ignored - especially in women. HDL and triglycerides and LDL particle size are better indicators of health.
Yes, yes you did.What went up? If it was total cholesterol, I would ignore it. Completely.
I was disagreeing with what you wrote which was:Please don't tell someone to ignore the results of their blood work just because the recommended course of action is to abandon your favorite diet. It's grossly irresponsible.
That's not what I was saying. Holy over reaction Batman.
I believe I also wroteIf familial hypercholesterolemia runs in your family, then you may need to change your diet. If there is not a chance of FH, I would keep going. IMO.
It's a moot point anyways since the OP prefers to pursue a diet of moderation of all things. I always assume that people can think for themselves, and then all you can do is respect their decision.
So you don't deny that you told someone to ignore the results of their blood work (which is grossly irresponsible). You only deny that defense of keto was your motivation?
Got it.
All my statements stand.14 -
My HDL went up from 225 to 258 and my LDL went from 156 to 188. My Dr said at 190, they put you on medication. That’s the last thinking I want is to be on medication. High cholesterol runs on both sides of my family.
How was your HDL this high? That seems astronomical for this particular type of lipoprotein.
I’m sorry, you’re right, that was my total cholesterol, not my HDL. Diet is very irritating to me because when I was younger I could eat anything. Everyone here has been amazing and I think that going the traditional way of eating is the better way of eating for me after all.
More fruits and veggies, less red meat, less fats, more legumes, everything in moderation ❤️
It's funny, I am reading a book that is suggesting that everything in your last sentence is a problem. Not saying it's right but I am just getting into it. "Big Fat Lie" is the title. So much conflicting information and so little time. Lots of ways to eat and I hope you find one that works well for you.17 -
My HDL went up from 225 to 258 and my LDL went from 156 to 188. My Dr said at 190, they put you on medication. That’s the last thinking I want is to be on medication. High cholesterol runs on both sides of my family.
How was your HDL this high? That seems astronomical for this particular type of lipoprotein.
I’m sorry, you’re right, that was my total cholesterol, not my HDL. Diet is very irritating to me because when I was younger I could eat anything. Everyone here has been amazing and I think that going the traditional way of eating is the better way of eating for me after all.
More fruits and veggies, less red meat, less fats, more legumes, everything in moderation ❤️
It's funny, I am reading a book that is suggesting that everything in your last sentence is a problem. Not saying it's right but I am just getting into it. "Big Fat Lie" is the title. So much conflicting information and so little time. Lots of ways to eat and I hope you find one that works well for you.
You're correct that there is a lot of conflicting information. For a balanced (and evidence-based) viewpoint, you may also want to read this review of Big Fat Surprise: https://thescienceofnutrition.wordpress.com/2014/08/10/the-big-fat-surprise-a-critical-review-part-1/
It's also worth nothing that Teicholz (like Taubes) is not a dietitian/nutritionist or researcher, and has no formal education in the health/nutrition field - nor in physiology, human biology or medicine of any type. She's a journalist (like Taubes), her degrees are in American Studies and Latin American Studies.19
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