Anyone NOT on keto?

Lillymoo01 · October 2018

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@wmd1979 I know my 40 years of cravings and HCHF binging stopped after cutting my carbs to 50 grams daily. I know I was addicted to the high that came from binging but the hang over that followed was no fun. It was only when reading about the AA 12 step program that I realized I was in denial about my addiction to carbs. Addictions are brain related and for two hellish weeks my brain was fighting to get more carbs then it gave up the addiction to carbs in my case 4 years ago. My poor health markers have improved each year for these past four years. Keto is saving my life and the people that see me tell me that as well.

The reason I was able to stay on Keto in part was the doctors wanted me to start on Enbrel injections and I just could see knocking down my immune system was going to be a Lose/Lose situation in my case. My reward for ditching my high carb WOE was pain management from my life with arthritis was well underway in the first 30 days. 4 years later pain levels are so low that I can walk relatively pain free and am rebuilding a 1948 Model B Allis Chalmers tractor like the one I played on when I was 3 and started driving when I was 5 years old that had a blown engine and hope to have it ready to drive in an upcoming Veterans Day parade. As I said Keto is not for the masses but it has given me back my hope of living and my family hope as well.

People facing a premature death will try about anything. I wish I had known about Keto at the age of 23 instead of 63 after 40 years of damage to my body. I watched Alpha at the movies a few weeks ago that was a story about life in Europe 20,000 years ago that help me see the power of Keto in our past and how we got dogs.

Just so much nonsense in this post! Especially the whole "addiction" thing.

Truth be told there is so much nonsense in all of his posts. I am sure most of those on keto would shake their heads with his posts. People on these boards don't hate keto, and many will regularly say that keto can work really well for some people, particularly those with certain medical conditions and those that find the fat/protein combination to be most filling. What people dislike is the misformation and pseudoscience that comes with keto by some posters.

Mr_Healthy_Habits · October 2018

Like Bruce Lee says...

"If it helps you in a fight, you should learn to use it."

But I don't think ordering pizza and just eating the cheese and toppings is healthy nor sustainable lol

iamkachelle · October 2018

Right here👋👋👋, keto did not work for me #shrug. Different strokes for different folks😊

nvmomketo · October 2018

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This topic has on my mind quite a bit. I am currently doing the keto lifestyle since about May 10th. I was pretty overweight, tired, and miserable. My internet wandering had clued me in to diabetes, so I checked my glucose and decided to change something. Now I dislike doctors and pills, and in my analytical mind I knew step A was lose weight. I had lost weight before using MFP, but found the logging to be annoying to my perfectionist flaw. So I started by elimating bread, based on some people's antedotes about gluten, celiac, etc. It was hard as I love bread. So I evolved to a keto lifestyle, and since I love meat, cheese, and eggs, so far so good. One thing I didn't like is the bombardment of "keto haters"... Maybe it is a component of the internet warrior persona that is becoming so prevalent, but I wondered why... Do all diet have this detracting faction, I don't really know as I had never done a "diet" other than eat less. So I watched and read, and read and watched, so now I have an opinion. It is mine, feel free to throw it away, but I would like to share.

Weight management is strictly calorie consumed vs calorie burned. ALL diets, keto, atkins, carnivore, american standard, or even snickers and cocaine. They will all result in change in weight based on which side of the equation is higher. With that said, it comes down to how you feel and how it effects your body.

Back to subject, keto is likely a big change to your body. People tend to jump in with both feet. It is definitely not a try for 3 days and judge, if you want an honest evaluation. Some say 3 weeks, or a month. I think I can look back at my reality and I went lower carb, not strict keto for the first month, even now I am seldom under the 20 carb number. I am usually under 50, never over 100. Maybe that is why I was successful.

I would suggest if aspects of keto appeal to you, first don't try and lose weight, try being even on the calorie equation. I suspect people are asking too much of themselves to do both task (diet change & calorie deficit).

One aspect that I subscribe too, is sugar addiction. I think I was addicted, but not really to traditional "sweets", but to the more insidious carbs. Now I don't feel as hungry, and in my opinion this addiction is why you hear "the weight came back". Compare it to a drug addiction, common knowledge is to stay off drugs, you need to abstain entirely, With that said, I have battled addiction and won, my success was based on this single rule... Not today... Just don't drink today,=alcohol was my drug of choice, and if I failed that day, the sun rose the next day and I started over, pushed regret aside or used it to strengthen my resolve.

Is keto for everyone, is keto for you. Only you know that, some had a underlying, possibly undiagnosed condition that makes keto a bad choice. You are kind of experimented with you body;. Have a great day.

There really isn't "keto-hate" here, there is push back to keto-evangelists who assume that because keto worked for them, it will work for everyone and is the best diet.

One of the many aspects of this is the idea you mention - that if keto didn't work for you, you either didn't try it for long enough or didn't do it right. Why can't it just not work for everyone? Just like your old eating style didn't work for you, why can't keto just not be the right fit for someone else? Why does there have to be a medical condition causing keto not to work?

Keto has helped you lose weight and get control of your diet - that's awesome! No one here is saying it's not. All we are saying is it didn't work for us, and we are totally cool with that because we found the way that works for us. We don't need to experiment anymore with keto.

I just don't think the push back is needed.

In the Getting Started forum there is one keto thread right now, out of twenty-eight possible topics showing up on my screen. In that thread there are 5 responses. This one has 87.

I don't think there are any evangelist keto posts on the entire board right now. Considering the number of posts and posters, it isn't very common on MFP. Although when evangelist posts do show up they are quite active as many people will correct them.

I think this is the biggest keto thread at the moment. The last big keto thread was "What's with this keto craze?"

I would guess that both of our personal biases are showing here in our perception. Because how many keto threads are on the boards "right now" changes depending on when right now is. I often pull up "recent posts" and read down the list on the Introductions and Getting Started boards and see Starting Keto Today, Need Keto Friends, Who's Doing Keto, Keto, Help with Keto, Need Keto Meals, What Can I Eat on Keto, Keto Works, Keto Friends, all over the first page.

But my response was specifically to the poster I quoted. The thread isn't about keto-evangelists. It's about people feeling like everyone is doing keto. I don't think it's misleading to say keto is the popular diet right now. It's all over diet and fitness magazines, blogs, web pages, FB, and tv shows. Obviously OP and the many posters who are thanking them for starting the thread because they felt the same way would disagree that keto threads aren't common on MFP.

Keto really is all over the place right now. It's probably peaking soon.

amusedmonkey · October 2018

It's not for me either. I tried it twice because it would have been beneficial for me when I first started (I had high blood sugar) but it was very unsustainable and my body and brain just didn't do well on it. I chose the alternative route of just eating to my preferences within my calorie. It was sustainable and I lost a lot of weight which lowered my blood sugar without having to eat low carb or keto. So yeah, I'm not on keto.

nancym30 · October 2018

Lillymoo01 wrote: »

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@wmd1979 I know my 40 years of cravings and HCHF binging stopped after cutting my carbs to 50 grams daily. I know I was addicted to the high that came from binging but the hang over that followed was no fun. It was only when reading about the AA 12 step program that I realized I was in denial about my addiction to carbs. Addictions are brain related and for two hellish weeks my brain was fighting to get more carbs then it gave up the addiction to carbs in my case 4 years ago. My poor health markers have improved each year for these past four years. Keto is saving my life and the people that see me tell me that as well.

The reason I was able to stay on Keto in part was the doctors wanted me to start on Enbrel injections and I just could see knocking down my immune system was going to be a Lose/Lose situation in my case. My reward for ditching my high carb WOE was pain management from my life with arthritis was well underway in the first 30 days. 4 years later pain levels are so low that I can walk relatively pain free and am rebuilding a 1948 Model B Allis Chalmers tractor like the one I played on when I was 3 and started driving when I was 5 years old that had a blown engine and hope to have it ready to drive in an upcoming Veterans Day parade. As I said Keto is not for the masses but it has given me back my hope of living and my family hope as well.

People facing a premature death will try about anything. I wish I had known about Keto at the age of 23 instead of 63 after 40 years of damage to my body. I watched Alpha at the movies a few weeks ago that was a story about life in Europe 20,000 years ago that help me see the power of Keto in our past and how we got dogs.

Just so much nonsense in this post! Especially the whole "addiction" thing.

Truth be told there is so much nonsense in all of his posts. I am sure most of those on keto would shake their heads with his posts. People on these boards don't hate keto, and many will regularly say that keto can work really well for some people, particularly those with certain medical conditions and those that find the fat/protein combination to be most filling. What people dislike is the misformation and pseudoscience that comes with keto by some posters.

These "nonsense" comments seem mean. I don't shake my head at his post, at all. I liked it. I think he's talking about his own experience, why not? others do. And I believe one can be addicted to carbs. I certainlly was.

mmapags · October 2018

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Lillymoo01 wrote: »

mmapags wrote: »

GaleHawkins wrote: »

@wmd1979 I know my 40 years of cravings and HCHF binging stopped after cutting my carbs to 50 grams daily. I know I was addicted to the high that came from binging but the hang over that followed was no fun. It was only when reading about the AA 12 step program that I realized I was in denial about my addiction to carbs. Addictions are brain related and for two hellish weeks my brain was fighting to get more carbs then it gave up the addiction to carbs in my case 4 years ago. My poor health markers have improved each year for these past four years. Keto is saving my life and the people that see me tell me that as well.

The reason I was able to stay on Keto in part was the doctors wanted me to start on Enbrel injections and I just could see knocking down my immune system was going to be a Lose/Lose situation in my case. My reward for ditching my high carb WOE was pain management from my life with arthritis was well underway in the first 30 days. 4 years later pain levels are so low that I can walk relatively pain free and am rebuilding a 1948 Model B Allis Chalmers tractor like the one I played on when I was 3 and started driving when I was 5 years old that had a blown engine and hope to have it ready to drive in an upcoming Veterans Day parade. As I said Keto is not for the masses but it has given me back my hope of living and my family hope as well.

People facing a premature death will try about anything. I wish I had known about Keto at the age of 23 instead of 63 after 40 years of damage to my body. I watched Alpha at the movies a few weeks ago that was a story about life in Europe 20,000 years ago that help me see the power of Keto in our past and how we got dogs.

Just so much nonsense in this post! Especially the whole "addiction" thing.

Truth be told there is so much nonsense in all of his posts. I am sure most of those on keto would shake their heads with his posts. People on these boards don't hate keto, and many will regularly say that keto can work really well for some people, particularly those with certain medical conditions and those that find the fat/protein combination to be most filling. What people dislike is the misformation and pseudoscience that comes with keto by some posters.

These "nonsense" comments seem mean. I don't shake my head at his post, at all. I liked it. I think he's talking about his own experience, why not? others do. And I believe one can be addicted to carbs.I certainlly was.

You can have whatever beliefs you like. But you can't have whatever facts you like. There is no evidence for sugar addiction in the way of studies or meta analyses.

This had been debated here to death. If you have something evidence based that you think proves there is, please do post it.

johnslater461 · October 2018

GaleHawkins wrote: »

@wmd1979 I know my 40 years of cravings and HCHF binging stopped after cutting my carbs to 50 grams daily. I know I was addicted to the high that came from binging but the hang over that followed was no fun. It was only when reading about the AA 12 step program that I realized I was in denial about my addiction to carbs. Addictions are brain related and for two hellish weeks my brain was fighting to get more carbs then it gave up the addiction to carbs in my case 4 years ago. My poor health markers have improved each year for these past four years. Keto is saving my life and the people that see me tell me that as well.

The reason I was able to stay on Keto in part was the doctors wanted me to start on Enbrel injections and I just could see knocking down my immune system was going to be a Lose/Lose situation in my case. My reward for ditching my high carb WOE was pain management from my life with arthritis was well underway in the first 30 days. 4 years later pain levels are so low that I can walk relatively pain free and am rebuilding a 1948 Model B Allis Chalmers tractor like the one I played on when I was 3 and started driving when I was 5 years old that had a blown engine and hope to have it ready to drive in an upcoming Veterans Day parade. As I said Keto is not for the masses but it has given me back my hope of living and my family hope as well.

People facing a premature death will try about anything. I wish I had known about Keto at the age of 23 instead of 63 after 40 years of damage to my body. I watched Alpha at the movies a few weeks ago that was a story about life in Europe 20,000 years ago that help me see the power of Keto in our past and how we got dogs.

The OP specifically stated that they were looking for options that were NOT keto.

So not only is this post utter nonsensical word salad, it's derailing

TonyB0588 · October 2018

myluvzs6629 wrote: »

Ive noticed that everyone seems to be on keto and doing well. Ive done it and its not for me. I can't live with my occasional piece of toast or glass of wine. I guess what im look for are people who are have success with weightloss by just counting calories. ☺

I'm not on Keto. Hardly even understand what it is. Just calorie counting and portion control, and I'm within my acceptable weight range now.

amusedmonkey · October 2018

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GaleHawkins wrote: »

@wmd1979 I know my 40 years of cravings and HCHF binging stopped after cutting my carbs to 50 grams daily. I know I was addicted to the high that came from binging but the hang over that followed was no fun. It was only when reading about the AA 12 step program that I realized I was in denial about my addiction to carbs. Addictions are brain related and for two hellish weeks my brain was fighting to get more carbs then it gave up the addiction to carbs in my case 4 years ago. My poor health markers have improved each year for these past four years. Keto is saving my life and the people that see me tell me that as well.

The reason I was able to stay on Keto in part was the doctors wanted me to start on Enbrel injections and I just could see knocking down my immune system was going to be a Lose/Lose situation in my case. My reward for ditching my high carb WOE was pain management from my life with arthritis was well underway in the first 30 days. 4 years later pain levels are so low that I can walk relatively pain free and am rebuilding a 1948 Model B Allis Chalmers tractor like the one I played on when I was 3 and started driving when I was 5 years old that had a blown engine and hope to have it ready to drive in an upcoming Veterans Day parade. As I said Keto is not for the masses but it has given me back my hope of living and my family hope as well.

People facing a premature death will try about anything. I wish I had known about Keto at the age of 23 instead of 63 after 40 years of damage to my body. I watched Alpha at the movies a few weeks ago that was a story about life in Europe 20,000 years ago that help me see the power of Keto in our past and how we got dogs.

The OP specifically stated that they were looking for options that were NOT keto.

So not only is this post utter nonsensical word salad, it's derailing

Derailing is his specialty. If only people would stop replying to his derailing posts.

ksmarie55 · October 2018

Good morning!! Happy Saturday!! I'm not on keto or any special diet.
My heaviest weight was 400 lbs, and my current is 290.8 lbs. (109.2 lbs lost)

When I first started losing weight years ago, I didn't do anything special, I didn't even count calories. I ate in moderation and I walked a lot and I mean lot. (Can't walk as much anymore, because of some physical limitations. Still try to get in some exercise in one form or another) However, I found for me that how I eat and what I put in my mouth, is what helps me to keep losing the weight more than the actual exercise.

GaleHawkins · October 2018

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The OP specifically stated that they were looking for options that were NOT keto.

So not only is this post utter nonsensical word salad, it's derailing [/quote]

My bad. John thanks for pointing out that I cross posted to the wrong name/thread. I still contend that Keto is not for the masses and that it is no short term solution for weight loss because dieting to lose weight long term fails more often than not. Now changing one's WOE (Way Of Eating) for life to the WOE that let them lose weight whatever it may be is a different story.

kgeyser · October 2018

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