Anyone NOT on keto?
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I'm not on it. I like food too much to cut things out in life; just want to eat everything in moderation, including my delicious carbs!3
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This topic has on my mind quite a bit. I am currently doing the keto lifestyle since about May 10th. I was pretty overweight, tired, and miserable. My internet wandering had clued me in to diabetes, so I checked my glucose and decided to change something. Now I dislike doctors and pills, and in my analytical mind I knew step A was lose weight. I had lost weight before using MFP, but found the logging to be annoying to my perfectionist flaw. So I started by elimating bread, based on some people's antedotes about gluten, celiac, etc. It was hard as I love bread. So I evolved to a keto lifestyle, and since I love meat, cheese, and eggs, so far so good. One thing I didn't like is the bombardment of "keto haters"... Maybe it is a component of the internet warrior persona that is becoming so prevalent, but I wondered why... Do all diet have this detracting faction, I don't really know as I had never done a "diet" other than eat less. So I watched and read, and read and watched, so now I have an opinion. It is mine, feel free to throw it away, but I would like to share.
Weight management is strictly calorie consumed vs calorie burned. ALL diets, keto, atkins, carnivore, american standard, or even snickers and cocaine. They will all result in change in weight based on which side of the equation is higher. With that said, it comes down to how you feel and how it effects your body.
Back to subject, keto is likely a big change to your body. People tend to jump in with both feet. It is definitely not a try for 3 days and judge, if you want an honest evaluation. Some say 3 weeks, or a month. I think I can look back at my reality and I went lower carb, not strict keto for the first month, even now I am seldom under the 20 carb number. I am usually under 50, never over 100. Maybe that is why I was successful.
I would suggest if aspects of keto appeal to you, first don't try and lose weight, try being even on the calorie equation. I suspect people are asking too much of themselves to do both task (diet change & calorie deficit).
One aspect that I subscribe too, is sugar addiction. I think I was addicted, but not really to traditional "sweets", but to the more insidious carbs. Now I don't feel as hungry, and in my opinion this addiction is why you hear "the weight came back". Compare it to a drug addiction, common knowledge is to stay off drugs, you need to abstain entirely, With that said, I have battled addiction and won, my success was based on this single rule... Not today... Just don't drink today,=alcohol was my drug of choice, and if I failed that day, the sun rose the next day and I started over, pushed regret aside or used it to strengthen my resolve.
Is keto for everyone, is keto for you. Only you know that, some had a underlying, possibly undiagnosed condition that makes keto a bad choice. You are kind of experimented with you body;. Have a great day.10 -
ruffneckred wrote: »This topic has on my mind quite a bit. I am currently doing the keto lifestyle since about May 10th. I was pretty overweight, tired, and miserable. My internet wandering had clued me in to diabetes, so I checked my glucose and decided to change something. Now I dislike doctors and pills, and in my analytical mind I knew step A was lose weight. I had lost weight before using MFP, but found the logging to be annoying to my perfectionist flaw. So I started by elimating bread, based on some people's antedotes about gluten, celiac, etc. It was hard as I love bread. So I evolved to a keto lifestyle, and since I love meat, cheese, and eggs, so far so good. One thing I didn't like is the bombardment of "keto haters"... Maybe it is a component of the internet warrior persona that is becoming so prevalent, but I wondered why... Do all diet have this detracting faction, I don't really know as I had never done a "diet" other than eat less. So I watched and read, and read and watched, so now I have an opinion. It is mine, feel free to throw it away, but I would like to share.
Weight management is strictly calorie consumed vs calorie burned. ALL diets, keto, atkins, carnivore, american standard, or even snickers and cocaine. They will all result in change in weight based on which side of the equation is higher. With that said, it comes down to how you feel and how it effects your body.
Back to subject, keto is likely a big change to your body. People tend to jump in with both feet. It is definitely not a try for 3 days and judge, if you want an honest evaluation. Some say 3 weeks, or a month. I think I can look back at my reality and I went lower carb, not strict keto for the first month, even now I am seldom under the 20 carb number. I am usually under 50, never over 100. Maybe that is why I was successful.
I would suggest if aspects of keto appeal to you, first don't try and lose weight, try being even on the calorie equation. I suspect people are asking too much of themselves to do both task (diet change & calorie deficit).
One aspect that I subscribe too, is sugar addiction. I think I was addicted, but not really to traditional "sweets", but to the more insidious carbs. Now I don't feel as hungry, and in my opinion this addiction is why you hear "the weight came back". Compare it to a drug addiction, common knowledge is to stay off drugs, you need to abstain entirely, With that said, I have battled addiction and won, my success was based on this single rule... Not today... Just don't drink today,=alcohol was my drug of choice, and if I failed that day, the sun rose the next day and I started over, pushed regret aside or used it to strengthen my resolve.
Is keto for everyone, is keto for you. Only you know that, some had a underlying, possibly undiagnosed condition that makes keto a bad choice. You are kind of experimented with you body;. Have a great day.
There really isn't "keto-hate" here, there is push back to keto-evangelists who assume that because keto worked for them, it will work for everyone and is the best diet.
One of the many aspects of this is the idea you mention - that if keto didn't work for you, you either didn't try it for long enough or didn't do it right. Why can't it just not work for everyone? Just like your old eating style didn't work for you, why can't keto just not be the right fit for someone else? Why does there have to be a medical condition causing keto not to work?
Keto has helped you lose weight and get control of your diet - that's awesome! No one here is saying it's not. All we are saying is it didn't work for us, and we are totally cool with that because we found the way that works for us. We don't need to experiment anymore with keto.16 -
I could never do keto. If my meals don't have at least a little bit of grains, I am starving. I need a well balanced meal that incorporates protein, fat and carbs.6
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Idk what they hype is about Keto either. You need carbs if you want to lose fat and gain muscle and have energy. Everyone I know who has been on Keto says they don’t have energy, and they have a headache. To each their own but I try educating them on muscle glycogen3
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Glad to hear this! I am just starting but not interested in totally cutting out my carbs!!!0
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ruffneckred wrote: »This topic has on my mind quite a bit. I am currently doing the keto lifestyle since about May 10th. I was pretty overweight, tired, and miserable. My internet wandering had clued me in to diabetes, so I checked my glucose and decided to change something. Now I dislike doctors and pills, and in my analytical mind I knew step A was lose weight. I had lost weight before using MFP, but found the logging to be annoying to my perfectionist flaw. So I started by elimating bread, based on some people's antedotes about gluten, celiac, etc. It was hard as I love bread. So I evolved to a keto lifestyle, and since I love meat, cheese, and eggs, so far so good. One thing I didn't like is the bombardment of "keto haters"... Maybe it is a component of the internet warrior persona that is becoming so prevalent, but I wondered why... Do all diet have this detracting faction, I don't really know as I had never done a "diet" other than eat less. So I watched and read, and read and watched, so now I have an opinion. It is mine, feel free to throw it away, but I would like to share.
Weight management is strictly calorie consumed vs calorie burned. ALL diets, keto, atkins, carnivore, american standard, or even snickers and cocaine. They will all result in change in weight based on which side of the equation is higher. With that said, it comes down to how you feel and how it effects your body.
Back to subject, keto is likely a big change to your body. People tend to jump in with both feet. It is definitely not a try for 3 days and judge, if you want an honest evaluation. Some say 3 weeks, or a month. I think I can look back at my reality and I went lower carb, not strict keto for the first month, even now I am seldom under the 20 carb number. I am usually under 50, never over 100. Maybe that is why I was successful.
I would suggest if aspects of keto appeal to you, first don't try and lose weight, try being even on the calorie equation. I suspect people are asking too much of themselves to do both task (diet change & calorie deficit).
One aspect that I subscribe too, is sugar addiction. I think I was addicted, but not really to traditional "sweets", but to the more insidious carbs. Now I don't feel as hungry, and in my opinion this addiction is why you hear "the weight came back". Compare it to a drug addiction, common knowledge is to stay off drugs, you need to abstain entirely, With that said, I have battled addiction and won, my success was based on this single rule... Not today... Just don't drink today,=alcohol was my drug of choice, and if I failed that day, the sun rose the next day and I started over, pushed regret aside or used it to strengthen my resolve.
Is keto for everyone, is keto for you. Only you know that, some had a underlying, possibly undiagnosed condition that makes keto a bad choice. You are kind of experimented with you body;. Have a great day.
There really isn't "keto-hate" here, there is push back to keto-evangelists who assume that because keto worked for them, it will work for everyone and is the best diet.
One of the many aspects of this is the idea you mention - that if keto didn't work for you, you either didn't try it for long enough or didn't do it right. Why can't it just not work for everyone? Just like your old eating style didn't work for you, why can't keto just not be the right fit for someone else? Why does there have to be a medical condition causing keto not to work?
Keto has helped you lose weight and get control of your diet - that's awesome! No one here is saying it's not. All we are saying is it didn't work for us, and we are totally cool with that because we found the way that works for us. We don't need to experiment anymore with keto.
I just don't think the push back is needed.
In the Getting Started forum there is one keto thread right now, out of twenty-eight possible topics showing up on my screen. In that thread there are 5 responses. This one has 87.
I don't think there are any evangelist keto posts on the entire board right now. Considering the number of posts and posters, it isn't very common on MFP.
Although when evangelist posts do show up they are quite active as many people will correct them.
I think this is the biggest keto thread at the moment. The last big keto thread was "What's with this keto craze?"
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I'm not on Keto and I've lost 111 pounds so far. Anyone can add me if they want to be friends with someone who is Keto free I do eat healthy and fairly clean, but I just count calories.6
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amyjsparkles wrote: »I'm not on Keto and I've lost 111 pounds so far. Anyone can add me if they want to be friends with someone who is Keto free I do eat healthy and fairly clean, but I just count calories.
111 pounds is something to be damn proud of I'd say!3 -
ruffneckred wrote: »This topic has on my mind quite a bit. I am currently doing the keto lifestyle since about May 10th. I was pretty overweight, tired, and miserable. My internet wandering had clued me in to diabetes, so I checked my glucose and decided to change something. Now I dislike doctors and pills, and in my analytical mind I knew step A was lose weight. I had lost weight before using MFP, but found the logging to be annoying to my perfectionist flaw. So I started by elimating bread, based on some people's antedotes about gluten, celiac, etc. It was hard as I love bread. So I evolved to a keto lifestyle, and since I love meat, cheese, and eggs, so far so good. One thing I didn't like is the bombardment of "keto haters"... Maybe it is a component of the internet warrior persona that is becoming so prevalent, but I wondered why... Do all diet have this detracting faction, I don't really know as I had never done a "diet" other than eat less. So I watched and read, and read and watched, so now I have an opinion. It is mine, feel free to throw it away, but I would like to share.
Weight management is strictly calorie consumed vs calorie burned. ALL diets, keto, atkins, carnivore, american standard, or even snickers and cocaine. They will all result in change in weight based on which side of the equation is higher. With that said, it comes down to how you feel and how it effects your body.
Back to subject, keto is likely a big change to your body. People tend to jump in with both feet. It is definitely not a try for 3 days and judge, if you want an honest evaluation. Some say 3 weeks, or a month. I think I can look back at my reality and I went lower carb, not strict keto for the first month, even now I am seldom under the 20 carb number. I am usually under 50, never over 100. Maybe that is why I was successful.
I would suggest if aspects of keto appeal to you, first don't try and lose weight, try being even on the calorie equation. I suspect people are asking too much of themselves to do both task (diet change & calorie deficit).
One aspect that I subscribe too, is sugar addiction. I think I was addicted, but not really to traditional "sweets", but to the more insidious carbs. Now I don't feel as hungry, and in my opinion this addiction is why you hear "the weight came back". Compare it to a drug addiction, common knowledge is to stay off drugs, you need to abstain entirely, With that said, I have battled addiction and won, my success was based on this single rule... Not today... Just don't drink today,=alcohol was my drug of choice, and if I failed that day, the sun rose the next day and I started over, pushed regret aside or used it to strengthen my resolve.
Is keto for everyone, is keto for you. Only you know that, some had a underlying, possibly undiagnosed condition that makes keto a bad choice. You are kind of experimented with you body;. Have a great day.
There really isn't "keto-hate" here, there is push back to keto-evangelists who assume that because keto worked for them, it will work for everyone and is the best diet.
One of the many aspects of this is the idea you mention - that if keto didn't work for you, you either didn't try it for long enough or didn't do it right. Why can't it just not work for everyone? Just like your old eating style didn't work for you, why can't keto just not be the right fit for someone else? Why does there have to be a medical condition causing keto not to work?
Keto has helped you lose weight and get control of your diet - that's awesome! No one here is saying it's not. All we are saying is it didn't work for us, and we are totally cool with that because we found the way that works for us. We don't need to experiment anymore with keto.
I just don't think the push back is needed.
In the Getting Started forum there is one keto thread right now, out of twenty-eight possible topics showing up on my screen. In that thread there are 5 responses. This one has 87.
I don't think there are any evangelist keto posts on the entire board right now. Considering the number of posts and posters, it isn't very common on MFP. Although when evangelist posts do show up they are quite active as many people will correct them.
I think this is the biggest keto thread at the moment. The last big keto thread was "What's with this keto craze?"
I would guess that both of our personal biases are showing here in our perception. Because how many keto threads are on the boards "right now" changes depending on when right now is. I often pull up "recent posts" and read down the list on the Introductions and Getting Started boards and see Starting Keto Today, Need Keto Friends, Who's Doing Keto, Keto, Help with Keto, Need Keto Meals, What Can I Eat on Keto, Keto Works, Keto Friends, all over the first page.
But my response was specifically to the poster I quoted. The thread isn't about keto-evangelists. It's about people feeling like everyone is doing keto. I don't think it's misleading to say keto is the popular diet right now. It's all over diet and fitness magazines, blogs, web pages, FB, and tv shows. Obviously OP and the many posters who are thanking them for starting the thread because they felt the same way would disagree that keto threads aren't common on MFP.11 -
There is definitely a lot of "keto-hate" on MFP. Like you said, it's all in your perspective. We're all sensitive to those posts that we perceive to be negative about our own lifestyles. Keto/low-carb isn't for everyone. There is no universal way to eat. I blame the "hate" on those who preach about the keto/low-carb lifestyle and demonize carbs. Carbs aren't bad. For certain people, limiting carb intake is necessary to meet overall health goals.
I eat low-carb (NOT keto) and enjoy grains, pasta, bread, and vegetables. Low-carb/keto is not a fad diet for those of us who need to limit carb intake to avoid complications of diabetes. For others, perhaps it is. I eat like lots of normal people do, but my meals include much smaller portions of carbohydrates. I eat at restaurants. I eat pizza but limit it to one slice and have a salad with it. I switched out sweet potatoes for regular potatoes because they don't have as much impact on my blood sugar. Last night I had a quarter pounder WITH the bun, but skipped the fries. Last weekend I had a cheeseburger at Red Robin but had it wrapped in lettuce so that I could enjoy some fries. I still drink wine too. Sometimes people perceive low-carb diets as being overly restrictive. It doesn't have to be that way. There are still plenty of options to enjoy!!!
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myluvzs6629 wrote: »Ive noticed that everyone seems to be on keto and doing well. Ive done it and its not for me. I can't live with my occasional piece of toast or glass of wine. I guess what im look for are people who are have success with weightloss by just counting calories. ☺
@myluvzs6629 Keto is just a very old way of eating that has been around forever especially before the event of processed food diets for the last 100 years and especially following WWII. Very few people do Keto today actually and most often they will have health issues like Type 2 Diabetes, pain, etc that they are looking to resolve by diet. Living mainly on ketones vs. glucose may take one a year to fully become a natural Way Of Eating.
While Keto is as good as it gets for some people but it is not the only way or perhaps not even the best way for many to lose weight. Keto needs at least a 90 days of eating under 50 grams of carbs daily and that stopped me for many years. Actually the Keto WOE may take about 365 days non stop to learn if it is going to be key in help resolve any long term health issues related to being carb intolerant.
Peer pressure to not do Keto is stronger than most any WOE out there I expect and often can be the showstopper.
Not being Keto makes you in the mainstream for sure.
Best of success in the finding your own WOE that works for you. That is all that counts in the end.
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I'm not on Keto. I have a blog and am eating healthier and tracking my calories! Following this guy's example (and so far it's working)... what an inspiration! https://www.reddit.com/r/loseit/comments/9mycxs/100_lbs_lost_100_positive_notes_the_gift_i/?st=JN34T5CZ&sh=dadb9e260
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def not on keto, its harmful long term5
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this thread has made me so happy. I have a friend who has done so well on keto and raves about it but I love my carbs so much. I've been doing intermittent fasting while still keeping my carbs (just lowering the amount to 50g daily) and I have lost 4 lbs already. I'm loving it - and I'm happy - and isn't that all that matters? Do what works for you!5
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Say no to keto. Friends don't let friends eat keto. I mean, most of us know by now that there are healthy fats and that it's good for us to eat them, but I hardly think we should "eat ALL the fats." Seriously, how is a super high fat diet suddenly healthy? Or is it all just done in the name of weight loss? I love carbs. Your body and your brain love carbs. We all love carbs.3
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GaleHawkins wrote: »myluvzs6629 wrote: »Ive noticed that everyone seems to be on keto and doing well. Ive done it and its not for me. I can't live with my occasional piece of toast or glass of wine. I guess what im look for are people who are have success with weightloss by just counting calories. ☺
@myluvzs6629 Keto is just a very old way of eating that has been around forever especially before the event of processed food diets for the last 100 years and especially following WWII. Very few people do Keto today actually and most often they will have health issues like Type 2 Diabetes, pain, etc that they are looking to resolve by diet. Living mainly on ketones vs. glucose may take one a year to fully become a natural Way Of Eating.
While Keto is as good as it gets for some people but it is not the only way or perhaps not even the best way for many to lose weight. Keto needs at least a 90 days of eating under 50 grams of carbs daily and that stopped me for many years. Actually the Keto WOE may take about 365 days non stop to learn if it is going to be key in help resolve any long term health issues related to being carb intolerant.
Peer pressure to not do Keto is stronger than most any WOE out there I expect and often can be the showstopper.
Not being Keto makes you in the mainstream for sure.
Best of success in the finding your own WOE that works for you. That is all that counts in the end.
I don't see any peer pressure not to do Keto, what I do see is people asking educated questions of others considering Keto. You say that Keto needs at least 90 days of eating under 50 grams and realistically a full year to see if it is actually going to provide any health benefits. Why would anyone want to waste a complete year on a WOE that is so restrictive when they could simply eat all the foods they enjoy, but in moderation? You constantly point to the health benefits you have experienced from your WOE but the fact of the matter is, weight loss alone can provide those same health benefits. Do some people overeat carbs? Sure. Are these people addicted to carbs? No. It irritates the ever living *kitten* out of me when people use the term addiction when it comes to carbs or sugar. You aren't addicted, you have self control issues, and I think it is a slap in the face to people who suffer from real addictions to talk about carbs and sugar as addictive substances.12 -
No keto for me.1
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I just started 5 days ago with this myfitnesspal and I'm just counting calories. so far it has worked for me, I've already lost 5 pounds. I don't know but im a bit iffy about doing Keto. I havent really tried it, but I just having really been like wanting to do research over it. Just me though! I need to find time to do exercise though.2
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