The average person doesn't know what healthy is
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Ok. Maybe hamburger helper was a bad example. And it is delicious.
Neither of my parents had time to cook and I was left to my own devices. Typically frozen pizza, TV dinners, spaghetti-o’s (my fave). So I never learned about cooking or nutrition.
College thru my 40’s because of time or money I lived on fast food. Literally:
McDonald’s Monday
Taco Bell Tuesday
Wendy’s Wednesday
Thurs - Sun - a case of beer and peppermint patties
I wish I had learned the importance of nutrition when I was in my teens, rather than 50’s. I’d like to see today’s kids learn what I did not. That is all.
I love hamburger helper lol.. this recipe for homemade hamburger helper is even better than the box stuff believe it or not
http://www.farmgirlgourmet.com/2012/12/homemade-hamburger-helper.html
I still get the box if I don’t have time though!
PS sorry this has turned into the hamburger helper recipe thread 😂2 -
Chrystalanne90 wrote: »I get frustrated when people try to FORCE me to eat chemicals. I used to eat only chemicals... I can't believe it honestly. I have lost 1/3 my body weight and am healthy but still wanting to lose more. People keep telling me "you need to eat" "you need to treat yourself" "You need to have something naughty now and then". How is having chemicals in my body "treating myself". I'm sorry but I find this world so messed up right now. People don't realize just how addicted to processed sugar they are. They feel attacked if you even suggest they give up sweets. But ultimately, what does processed sugar do for you? Gives you energy? Is that really it... there is nothing good about it. You're much better off having an apple. I get so up in arms about this kind of topic actually. And people think I take it too far.... I think more people need to do their research on what they're putting in their bodies everyday.
Glad you have found something that has worked for you. I would never force anyone to eat something they didn't want to.
That being said... I have candy almost every day (before my lifting sessions) what does it do for me? Yes it gives me energy. I find it improves my workout performance, it is fun to eat, I would not be better off having an apple which would make my stomach hurt. Without good workout performance, I wouldn't have built and retained the muscle I have and have the body you see in my profile. So ... it has done a lot for me. But that doesn't mean you need to eat it... you do you. I will keep doing me.18 -
Chrystalanne90 wrote: »I get frustrated when people try to FORCE me to eat chemicals. I used to eat only chemicals... I can't believe it honestly. I have lost 1/3 my body weight and am healthy but still wanting to lose more. People keep telling me "you need to eat" "you need to treat yourself" "You need to have something naughty now and then". How is having chemicals in my body "treating myself". I'm sorry but I find this world so messed up right now. People don't realize just how addicted to processed sugar they are. They feel attacked if you even suggest they give up sweets. But ultimately, what does processed sugar do for you? Gives you energy? Is that really it... there is nothing good about it. You're much better off having an apple. I get so up in arms about this kind of topic actually. And people think I take it too far.... I think more people need to do their research on what they're putting in their bodies everyday.
Well, yes, I would feel attacked if someone even suggested I give up sweets.
Just like you don't like people trying to force you to eat chemicals ( whatever foods you mean by that) I don't like anyone trying to force me not to eat sweets - or 'suggesting' or in any other way nosey parker self-righteous interfering.
If I want any suggestions on my diet ( I don't) I will ask for them.
And what you see as treating yourself is subjective - obviously something you don't want and don't enjoy is not doing so.
I quite like treating myself with chocolate,cake, ice cream ( in appropriate portion size and within context of overall diet)
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A lot of people simply don't care.3
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These days I think it is less a matter of not knowing what is healthy and more a matter of either not caring or not knowing HOW to achieve healthy meals. Fewer and fewer people cook and the food industry is not helping. I am not talking about Hamburger helper here, I am talking heat and eat dinners, Lunchables, cereal and milk in one convenient package, frozen peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, and take out.
There is nothing wrong with any of those as a separate item. The problem is when that is all people eat. They don't know how to grill a piece of meat or cook a stew because they never have.1 -
youcantflexcardio wrote: »I've had people ask me why I think I need to lose wieght when I'm at like 27% bf. I've heard people who would medically classify as obese say they are fairly healthy and a little overweight. I've had people tell me I'm weird for weighing out a steak, and call it obsessive to track what you put into your body, or be weirded out by things like almond milk, natural peanut butter, Himalayan pink salt, or calling my choice to 93% lean ground beef ridiculous etc etc., the list goes on.
This got me thinking - is the average American person really so unhealthy that anything remotely healthy seems foreign and weird?
You couldn’t pay me to drink almond milk, and I’d say I am pretty healthy.
I'm with you on the almond milk: Has calories (even unsweetened), not much protein, not much fat, a little potassium and calcium, and doesn't (to me) even taste good. It's a "but why?" food to me - others are welcome to all of it.
Yeah see I find cow's milk vile - I always have. For a very short period of time I was able to drink it ice cold, but I think I probably stopped being willing to do that when I was 6. The same is true for most dairy products - I'm very averse to them. I also, conveniently, have a very mild lactose intolerance which only helped to cement my displeasure with dairy. That said, while I don't drink non-dairy milk on a regular basis, I do like chocolate almond milk and chocolate hazelnut milk and I'll drink almond, hazelnut, or hemp milk in coffee.0 -
I like almond milk. I use so little milk, usually 3 oz on cereal and not even every day, that I could use the 2% we always have in the fridge without crowding out much at all. But at some point I tried it and found I like the taste of it in cereal (except hot cereal where it is added; not sure why that's different, but it is).
It's hard for me to point fingers as I spent most of my adult life overweight and out of shape with a few brief attempts at changing. This most recent time is by far the most successful, getting to a BMI of below 25 and maintaining it for about 8 months so far. I was a problem drinker; now almost 500 days sober. I always believed that I needed to be healthier but I had time. Before I knew it, I was in my late 50s, still drinking too much, still overweight and out of shape. I didn't want to turn 60 in the same shape; it would reduce the odds of a long and healthy retirement substantially. This is especially true with problem drinking. I figured the decline was coming if I didn't make it happen this time. I turn 60 in about 2 months and will be 18 months sober, 10 months with a BMI below 25 and with muscle definition I am still not used to; it's hard to believe that's actually me in the mirror.
I could still backslide and fail this time also. A lot of people understand they should be healthier and are trying but not willing to try hard enough and they fail and accept it. It's very difficult to break through that. Even fear of dying before their time doesn't work for most people.15 -
CarvedTones wrote: »I like almond milk. I use so little milk, usually 3 oz on cereal and not even every day, that I could use the 2% we always have in the fridge without crowding out much at all. But at some point I tried it and found I like the taste of it in cereal (except hot cereal where it is added; not sure why that's different, but it is).
It's hard for me to point fingers as I spent most of my adult life overweight and out of shape with a few brief attempts at changing. This most recent time is by far the most successful, getting to a BMI of below 25 and maintaining it for about 8 months so far. I was a problem drinker; now almost 500 days sober. I always believed that I needed to be healthier but I had time. Before I knew it, I was in my late 50s, still drinking too much, still overweight and out of shape. I didn't want to turn 60 in the same shape; it would reduce the odds of a long and healthy retirement substantially. This is especially true with problem drinking. I figured the decline was coming if I didn't make it happen this time. I turn 60 in about 2 months and will be 18 months sober, 10 months with a BMI below 25 and with muscle definition I am still not used to; it's hard to believe that's actually me in the mirror.
I could still backslide and fail this time also. A lot of people understand they should be healthier and are trying but not willing to try hard enough and they fail and accept it. It's very difficult to break through that. Even fear of dying before their time doesn't work for most people.
Brother, we could both backslide. It is what it is. Us Southern Gents have to stick together. I an guessing you are southern that is. Lol2 -
It's pretty clear that our reference points have changed. If you watch an old movie from the 1960s or earlier the men are mostly much thinner than the average man today. Not sure if they were any healthier since they are typically chain smoking and pounding Scotch- but definitely thinner.4
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Movies/television do not accurately reflect society in general. If I were to judge today's society by the soap operas my wife watches, all women are slender and exceedingly hot and all men are fit, rich and impeccably dressed.disasterman wrote: »It's pretty clear that our reference points have changed. If you watch an old movie from the 1960s or earlier the men are mostly much thinner than the average man today. Not sure if they were any healthier since they are typically chain smoking and pounding Scotch- but definitely thinner.14 -
I am in no position to judge or make claims that "the average person doesn't know what healthy is"...
The definition of what is healthy can be defined differently by person depending on medical conditions (or not), lifestyle choices / beliefs and perspective.
I am certainly NOT as healthy as an endurance athlete and perhaps even in comparison to many here. That said, I have maintained my 45 lb weight loss and exercise (almost) daily. I do not eat healthy as many though. I enjoy snacks, alcohol and desserts. I eat red meat and all other sorts of food that many would claim as a no-no.
Am I unhealthy???? Am I healthy???? Who determines it... my doctor? Is it measured by the medical issues I may have (or not) or the number of meds I may be on to control BP or something else???
In reality - people may know what it IS - just may not select the lifestyle choice to live it. Or they do - but not according to someone else..
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Hey Anvil! I totally agree and certainly wouldn't argue that they are an accurate reflection of society in general. I'd say more that they are a reflection of our "ideals" which, in film at least, it seems have trended larger for men and smaller for women over the past half century.
Movies/television do not accurately reflect society in general. If I were to judge today's society by the soap operas my wife watches, all women are slender and exceedingly hot and all men are fit, rich and impeccably dressed.disasterman wrote: »It's pretty clear that our reference points have changed. If you watch an old movie from the 1960s or earlier the men are mostly much thinner than the average man today. Not sure if they were any healthier since they are typically chain smoking and pounding Scotch- but definitely thinner.
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psychod787 wrote: »CarvedTones wrote: »I like almond milk. I use so little milk, usually 3 oz on cereal and not even every day, that I could use the 2% we always have in the fridge without crowding out much at all. But at some point I tried it and found I like the taste of it in cereal (except hot cereal where it is added; not sure why that's different, but it is).
It's hard for me to point fingers as I spent most of my adult life overweight and out of shape with a few brief attempts at changing. This most recent time is by far the most successful, getting to a BMI of below 25 and maintaining it for about 8 months so far. I was a problem drinker; now almost 500 days sober. I always believed that I needed to be healthier but I had time. Before I knew it, I was in my late 50s, still drinking too much, still overweight and out of shape. I didn't want to turn 60 in the same shape; it would reduce the odds of a long and healthy retirement substantially. This is especially true with problem drinking. I figured the decline was coming if I didn't make it happen this time. I turn 60 in about 2 months and will be 18 months sober, 10 months with a BMI below 25 and with muscle definition I am still not used to; it's hard to believe that's actually me in the mirror.
I could still backslide and fail this time also. A lot of people understand they should be healthier and are trying but not willing to try hard enough and they fail and accept it. It's very difficult to break through that. Even fear of dying before their time doesn't work for most people.
Brother, we could both backslide. It is what it is. Us Southern Gents have to stick together. I an guessing you are southern that is. Lol
You guessed correctly. I like to think I am the second best thing that ever came out of Alabama. The best thing that ever came out of Alabama is I-20...
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youcantflexcardio wrote: »I've had people ask me why I think I need to lose wieght when I'm at like 27% bf. I've heard people who would medically classify as obese say they are fairly healthy and a little overweight. I've had people tell me I'm weird for weighing out a steak, and call it obsessive to track what you put into your body, or be weirded out by things like almond milk, natural peanut butter, Himalayan pink salt, or calling my choice to 93% lean ground beef ridiculous etc etc., the list goes on.
This got me thinking - is the average American person really so unhealthy that anything remotely healthy seems foreign and weird?youcantflexcardio wrote: »I've had people ask me why I think I need to lose wieght when I'm at like 27% bf. I've heard people who would medically classify as obese say they are fairly healthy and a little overweight. I've had people tell me I'm weird for weighing out a steak, and call it obsessive to track what you put into your body, or be weirded out by things like almond milk, natural peanut butter, Himalayan pink salt, or calling my choice to 93% lean ground beef ridiculous etc etc., the list goes on.
This got me thinking - is the average American person really so unhealthy that anything remotely healthy seems foreign and weird?
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What hit me hard- “call it obsessive”
I come from a family where I was never taught nutrition, and am often called overly obsessive by my (morbidly obese and pained joints) mom. I just know I feel better and I can fill out run now. Could barely walk a few years ago when I started my journey. Learning more every day and loving it tho!
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I have a friend who is 100kg 153cm who frequently claims it's pure muscle. I have a loved one over 120kg 163cm who doesn't want to get too skinny so never goes below 115kg. All the adults in my family (including in laws) are obese by any measure. But, at 60kg 163cm 29% body fat, I'm supposedly too skinny to be healthy and need to eat a large cheeseburger combo.3
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The topic its really interesting and the discussion could go on forever... I'm not American, but the nation I am from is pretty overweight. People don't seems to know what beeing healthy is or care enough about what goes in their body. A simple example is my mum. She took a journey toward more healthier lifestyle and reducing her blood pressure through sport and nutrition. After four years she is healthier and energetic than ever. No medication needed. Here comes the comments from friends and colleagues : you are too slim, you are to skinny, are you sure you are not anorexic!?!? We are talking about a healthy weight lady with sufficient muscles mass... Anyways if one is ready to make change good on them. If you think you are healthy but you have 1001 health issues with your body don't try to bring other people down.
I hope you are all well and wish you good health xxx5
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