Weight gain at 1400 a day
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nutmegoreo wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »I have a a feeling OP wont be back.hope that isnt the issue and he figures this out.
In a way, I hope that he got his answers and doesn't come back. This has turned into a bunch of unhelpful/unsubstantiated/unnecessary stuff being posted that will likely overwhelm him, and lead him to give up.
OP, if you have come back and get to this point... I stand by the recommendation to just start with logging everything accurately. After that, then focus on the next step. You don't need to reduce carbs, you don't need to exercise for 2 hours per day, and for the love of all things holy, ignore anything by Fung.
Nope still here. Had to sleep at some point today. Dig out my food scale this morning and I’m off to play a few rounds of disc golf. And as far as working out for a couple months I was lifting weights and swimming an hour or two a day I just got burnt out on it and am trying to dig up some motivation to get back to it.34 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »I have a a feeling OP wont be back.hope that isnt the issue and he figures this out.
In a way, I hope that he got his answers and doesn't come back. This has turned into a bunch of unhelpful/unsubstantiated/unnecessary stuff being posted that will likely overwhelm him, and lead him to give up.
OP, if you have come back and get to this point... I stand by the recommendation to just start with logging everything accurately. After that, then focus on the next step. You don't need to reduce carbs, you don't need to exercise for 2 hours per day, and for the love of all things holy, ignore anything by Fung.
Nope still here. Had to sleep at some point today. Dig out my food scale this morning and I’m off to play a few rounds of disc golf. And as far as working out for a couple months I was lifting weights and swimming an hour or two a day I just got burnt out on it and am trying to dig up some motivation to get back to it.
Awesome! As for exercise, don't go with an all or nothing approach. It's a recipe for injury and/or burn out. Take at least 2 days off.9 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »I have a a feeling OP wont be back.hope that isnt the issue and he figures this out.
In a way, I hope that he got his answers and doesn't come back. This has turned into a bunch of unhelpful/unsubstantiated/unnecessary stuff being posted that will likely overwhelm him, and lead him to give up.
OP, if you have come back and get to this point... I stand by the recommendation to just start with logging everything accurately. After that, then focus on the next step. You don't need to reduce carbs, you don't need to exercise for 2 hours per day, and for the love of all things holy, ignore anything by Fung.
Nope still here. Had to sleep at some point today. Dig out my food scale this morning and I’m off to play a few rounds of disc golf. And as far as working out for a couple months I was lifting weights and swimming an hour or two a day I just got burnt out on it and am trying to dig up some motivation to get back to it.
Keep in mind - you HAVE lost 30 pounds in the last year... maybe not as much as you had hoped but that's not an insignificant amount. Keep working at getting your diet dialed in and finding sustainable ways to get in some activity. The fact that you have kept at it for this long and the amount you have lost puts you way ahead of most people who attempt this journey.22 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »I have a a feeling OP wont be back.hope that isnt the issue and he figures this out.
In a way, I hope that he got his answers and doesn't come back. This has turned into a bunch of unhelpful/unsubstantiated/unnecessary stuff being posted that will likely overwhelm him, and lead him to give up.
OP, if you have come back and get to this point... I stand by the recommendation to just start with logging everything accurately. After that, then focus on the next step. You don't need to reduce carbs, you don't need to exercise for 2 hours per day, and for the love of all things holy, ignore anything by Fung.
Nope still here. Had to sleep at some point today. Dig out my food scale this morning and I’m off to play a few rounds of disc golf. And as far as working out for a couple months I was lifting weights and swimming an hour or two a day I just got burnt out on it and am trying to dig up some motivation to get back to it.
have you had your thyoid panels done? I will say just start out slow and as for the scale I will tell you about my experience with and without it. when I first started losing weight,I didnt use a scale I used cups and spoons and try to go by what was a portion(size of fist,palm of hand,etc) I lost weight at first and kept it off for about 3-4 months. Then I started gaining the weight back, I could not understand why. I even started working out twice a day because I thought more exercise was the answer. It wasnt.
so I came here and was told to get a food scale(digital one is best) and weigh EVERYTHING solid and semi solid in grams. I did this for a short time(a few weeks or so) and I started to lose the weight again. I lost what I gained back and then some.I was eating more than I though and didnt realize. I thought the serving sizes on packaging was correct. no,its not it can be off by up to 20% PER serving. I was shocked to see what a serving really was on many things. It will surprise you.
now I do have a metabolic disorder and its hard for me to lose weight. I was 5'6 1/2 age 38 and 209 lbs. 70 lbs overweight.for me that made me obese. my BMR(or RMR) is 1272, I was eating 2000 calories to lose and I was more sedentary(I had stopped the 2 workouts a day before I came here). I maybe worked out twice a week .as for me having asthma and being obese made it hard to do much,even walking I got out of breath.. I gained weight eating too many fruits and veggies believe it or not because I was eating more than my body burned.I didnt think that was even possible because they were fruits and veggies and was told they dont lead to weight gain. I was misinformed. fast forward to now and its 5 years later.
I still have a hard time losing weight I lose at a rate of a half a lb a month if that even if I were to eat 1200 calories(which leaves me starving and I want to eat everything). its just how my body is for some reason. so I gave up trying to lose for now(I did lose 45lbs out of the 70 but it took me 2.5-3 years to do so). I didnt lose the rest but I am maintaining my weight right now and doing a recomp which many will say I should have lost the weight first. I tried and even went down to 1300 calories. for months I lost nothing. I did take diet breaks often over the last 5 years,for me it didnt accomplish much,
I tried more exercise and changing my diet up and so on. still slower than molasses so I decided to go with maintenance for the winter months and lift weights and go from there. for me I have lost fat(no weight),and my clothes all still fit the same even though I gained a little bit of weight. But for me 1900-2200 calories is my maintenance right now and Im lightly active. Im 44 now almost 45. many would have probably given up by now but Im still putting along.I feel better than I did and Im starting to look better body wise. Im stronger and my healt has improved in the last few years. anything worth doing takes time and its a slow process for some of us.
My point is I struggle too and for me it also seemed that the numbers dont work out right, I have blood work every 3 months for my health issues and while there shows no reason why my weight loss is so slow ,its slower than it should be but it is what it is. Ive tried many different ways of eating and none of them made weight loss any faster for me. I now eat what I want but I make it fit into my calories. I dont deprive myself od anything. I eat a low fat.low cholesterol high fiber diet due to a health issue so I eat a lot of carbs(still lost weight when I was losing).Im also a natural intermittent faster. I have been that way ever since I can remember(more than 3 decades) and I too gained weight while fasting, I have lost and maintained as well. it just works for me because I dont eat breakfast.
whatever way of eating you decide is up to you. but the scale and the serving sizes of a lot of foods will shock ya. find something you like to do and do that for exercise. any exercise is better than none and when its something you like to do then chances are you will want to do it more and not see it as exercise. as for weight lifting thats up to you but it does help you to retain the lean mass you do have and it will change how your body looks. I am a smaller size in clothing now than I was 40 lbs lighter. my body looks better too. also for me losing it slower was better (it helps prevent sagging skin and that skinny fat look)1 -
OP: I don't know if you enjoy books but I just finished "The Obesity Code" by Dr. Jason Fung. There are many here that don't appreciate his work however I thoroughly enjoyed it. It goes into great detail how there is an implied blame cast on obese people. I won't try to paraphrase the entire book here. Just a thought I wanted to pass along and wish you well on your journey.
OP doesn’t need Fung’s disingenuous, pseudoscientific fairy tales to lead him further into the weeds. He needs to log accurately and establish a consistent, reasonable calorie deficit.36 -
cpollard26 wrote: »You need to increase your activity levels. Lift heavy toward repairing metabolic function (This will take time and requires guidance) and increase heart rate to maintain inner health for the moment. Exercise 2 hours per day either at once or split into sessions. If your body is unable to reduce or use fat (and it’s not a clear medical reason) then your body it’s not put into the position it requires fat as an energy source. Just my suggestion as a fellow Fitness enthusiast
Exercising two hours a day is not really necessary unless you're a professional/collegiate athlete, Olympian hopeful, or perhaps someone preparing for a triathlon/huge marathon, or you enjoy exercising that long (people who take long hikes/ride a bike for a lot of miles).
For someone just starting out who hasn't exercised much if at all or someone at a higher weight/could have possible health conditions that would be a recipe for disaster.
I know for myself at least I burn enough calories at work (work in retail) that when I get home I just don't feel motivated to exercise.9 -
Great advice from a lot of very knowledgeable people.
I would only add that if you like math and statistics you might find a trending app useful in tracking daily fluctuations and your overall weight trend.
I use Libra (android) and have found it very useful. It evens out the ups and downs and stops me from freaking out when my weight goes up a pound or two.4 -
Barring any medical issues, There is no possible way you are not losing if you are indeed eating 1400 cals a day. Top things I’d check are oils used in cooking and your portion sizes.4
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kellyjellybellyjelly wrote: »cpollard26 wrote: »You need to increase your activity levels. Lift heavy toward repairing metabolic function (This will take time and requires guidance) and increase heart rate to maintain inner health for the moment. Exercise 2 hours per day either at once or split into sessions. If your body is unable to reduce or use fat (and it’s not a clear medical reason) then your body it’s not put into the position it requires fat as an energy source. Just my suggestion as a fellow Fitness enthusiast
Exercising two hours a day is not really necessary unless you're a professional/collegiate athlete, Olympian hopeful, or perhaps someone preparing for a triathlon/huge marathon, or you enjoy exercising that long (people who take long hikes/ride a bike for a lot of miles).
For someone just starting out who hasn't exercised much if at all or someone at a higher weight/could have possible health conditions that would be a recipe for disaster.
I know for myself at least I burn enough calories at work (work in retail) that when I get home I just don't feel motivated to exercise.
Seriously, this. I exercise six days a week. I run and do strength training and yoga, and on most weekends I hike. The only days when I get two hours of exercise are when I do my strength routine, yoga, and take a walk all on the same day; when I go on a long hike; or when I have a double digit run. The first two options are not high intensity exercise for my fitness level, plus this level of exercise took me several years to work up to.
I would actually recommend only exercising every other day for newbies, and then only short sessions--"short" being relative to what you're doing and your needs. It's better to start slow and work up rather than to risk doing too much at once.
All you need to do to burn fat is to consistently eat fewer calories than your body burns. You do not need to do a specific type or amount of exercise, or any exercise at all.11 -
Barring any medical issues, There is no possible way you are not losing if you are indeed eating 1400 cals a day. Top things I’d check are oils used in cooking and your portion sizes.
I know at one point I wasnt losing anything eating 1400(and less) and I have been weighing(my food) for the last 3+ years.they cant find any reason why I should not be losing weight. thyroid is fine, hormone levels fine,no deficiencies,. nada. one summer I helped hubby tear down a house and we were active pretty much all day. I weighed and counted all my food and was in a deficit of more than 1000 calories. we did that for a few weeks(its time consuming if you want to do it the right way) not to mention the big hill we had to walk up and down). I lost NO weight what so ever. even if I were to eat in a 1000 calorie deficit now I still would lose about a half lb a month if that. no joking.
I dont binge,when I do have a day of going over I still should be in a deficit. I stopped eating in a deficit and am losing fat. havent lost weight but have gained a little yet my clothes still fit the same.one pair of my jeans are falling down as I have to keep pulling them up.I dont understand it at all but whatever it is is finally working for me. when I was in a deficit(250 calories) I was still hungry and had no energy.I took diet breaks too.so Im going to just keep doing what Im doing and go from there.its like my body doesnt like deficits.weird I know.6 -
I absolutely agree with starting slow. And I was not specific on the level of intensity given it is personal for everyone. BUT, I disagree that being calorie deficient is “all you need to do to burn fat”. That is straight up *kitten*. It is far more complex then that in many cases and why there is a lack of success behind many weight loss stories. Not to even going start on the quality of intake of calories, macro and micro nutrient levels variant on genetic disposition, insulin control, metabolic efficiency, stress, etc. 2 hours a day. Walking. Therabands. Sitting and standing for reps. Medicine ball instead of a couch. Stair walking. Keep it simple, keep it light but move out of your comfort zone that has not worked in the past. Sedentary lifestyles are a result of evolution and technology, not the way in which the human body is designed.27
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cpollard26 wrote: »I absolutely agree with starting slow. And I was not specific on the level of intensity given it is personal for everyone. BUT, I disagree that being calorie deficient is “all you need to do to burn fat”. That is straight up *kitten*. It is far more complex then that in many cases and why there is a lack of success behind many weight loss stories. Not to even going start on the quality of intake of calories, macro and micro nutrient levels variant on genetic disposition, insulin control, metabolic efficiency, stress, etc. 2 hours a day. Walking. Therabands. Sitting and standing for reps. Medicine ball instead of a couch. Stair walking. Keep it simple, keep it light but move out of your comfort zone that has not worked in the past. Sedentary lifestyles are a result of evolution and technology, not the way in which the human body is designed.
I don't think anybody is going to argue that exercise isn't a good idea for a lot of reasons. But if you're not in a calorie deficit (by whatever means one attains that), you won't lose weight. Period. That's not an opinion, that is a scientifically known/verified fact.20 -
It is thermodynamically impossible to gain fat while eating at a deficit. As a good number of people have already told you, you are probably not calculating things correctly. Another possibility that I thought of is that medication could be slowing your metabolism down or it could be making you put on water weight. I'm on several medications which cause both of these side effects. I noticed you mentioned you are depressed. I'm guessing you're taking meds for that. Many antidepressants can cause these side effects.5
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To the OP - based on what others have written about your diary, I echo the other poster who suggested you cook your own meals from scratch.
Do you have access to a fridge, freezer and a basic cooker? That’s really the main precondition. Everyone can find time to prepare meals, and everyone can learn how to cook. Everyone can learn how to count calories (and there’s a lots of posts in this forum to help you with that). If you were fully in control of your meals, you would be able to identify a meal plan that is enabling you to feel more satisfied and still lose weight.
I’m a 5’5 relatively light woman who went from 185 to 139-ish lbs by eating about 1800 calories a day. If you were really eating 1400 calories on average per day, you’d be melting fast. Some of your effort to succeed at this needs to go towards understanding - and managing- your calories in better.
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OP, assuming you are still reading, do you have any thoughts or a plan?
I think some people are way over-complicating it, so I hope that's not making things more stressful.3 -
OP, assuming you are still reading, do you have any thoughts or a plan?
I think some people are way over-complicating it, so I hope that's not making things more stressful.
Agreed! OP doesn't need to cook from scratch, exercise for 2 hours a day, cut out food groups, or anything like that. There's nothing wrong with any of that, but it's not realistic to tell someone who's struggling to do a complete 180 and change everything, nor is it necessary.
OP seriously, just get a food scale and commit to logging accurately and consistently for a couple of months. I do think it might be easier to get accurate data if you replace some of the fast food with items you can control portion sizes of better, but that too can be something you work up to bit by bit. Move more, whenever you can. Baby steps are still progress. Again, best of luck!12 -
cpollard26 wrote: »I absolutely agree with starting slow. And I was not specific on the level of intensity given it is personal for everyone. BUT, I disagree that being calorie deficient is “all you need to do to burn fat”. That is straight up *kitten*. It is far more complex then that in many cases and why there is a lack of success behind many weight loss stories. Not to even going start on the quality of intake of calories, macro and micro nutrient levels variant on genetic disposition, insulin control, metabolic efficiency, stress, etc. 2 hours a day. Walking. Therabands. Sitting and standing for reps. Medicine ball instead of a couch. Stair walking. Keep it simple, keep it light but move out of your comfort zone that has not worked in the past. Sedentary lifestyles are a result of evolution and technology, not the way in which the human body is designed.
Looks like you have stepped on the third rail and your "woo" meter is pegging out. I do agree it is more complex than that but that view is not well tolerated here.15 -
cpollard26 wrote: »I absolutely agree with starting slow. And I was not specific on the level of intensity given it is personal for everyone. BUT, I disagree that being calorie deficient is “all you need to do to burn fat”. That is straight up *kitten*. It is far more complex then that in many cases and why there is a lack of success behind many weight loss stories. Not to even going start on the quality of intake of calories, macro and micro nutrient levels variant on genetic disposition, insulin control, metabolic efficiency, stress, etc. 2 hours a day. Walking. Therabands. Sitting and standing for reps. Medicine ball instead of a couch. Stair walking. Keep it simple, keep it light but move out of your comfort zone that has not worked in the past. Sedentary lifestyles are a result of evolution and technology, not the way in which the human body is designed.
Looks like you have stepped on the third rail and your "woo" meter is pegging out. I do agree it is more complex than that but that view is not well tolerated here.
It's because the posters here tend to be evidence-based. OP isn't in a deficit, that's why he isn't seeing the results he expects. There's absolutely no reason to make it more complicated than that.16 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »I have a a feeling OP wont be back.hope that isnt the issue and he figures this out.
In a way, I hope that he got his answers and doesn't come back. This has turned into a bunch of unhelpful/unsubstantiated/unnecessary stuff being posted that will likely overwhelm him, and lead him to give up.
OP, if you have come back and get to this point... I stand by the recommendation to just start with logging everything accurately. After that, then focus on the next step. You don't need to reduce carbs, you don't need to exercise for 2 hours per day, and for the love of all things holy, ignore anything by Fung.
Nope still here. Had to sleep at some point today. Dig out my food scale this morning and I’m off to play a few rounds of disc golf. And as far as working out for a couple months I was lifting weights and swimming an hour or two a day I just got burnt out on it and am trying to dig up some motivation to get back to it.
I rarely have motivation, especially if the sun isn't out. I rely on creating habits instead. I often have to force myself to start exercising, but am always glad I did. I struggle with depression and anxiety, and regular exercise is crucial for me to manage this.
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Barring any medical issues, There is no possible way you are not losing if you are indeed eating 1400 cals a day. Top things I’d check are oils used in cooking and your portion sizes.
I know at one point I wasnt losing anything eating 1400(and less) and I have been weighing(my food) for the last 3+ years.they cant find any reason why I should not be losing weight. thyroid is fine, hormone levels fine,no deficiencies,. nada. one summer I helped hubby tear down a house and we were active pretty much all day. I weighed and counted all my food and was in a deficit of more than 1000 calories. we did that for a few weeks(its time consuming if you want to do it the right way) not to mention the big hill we had to walk up and down). I lost NO weight what so ever. even if I were to eat in a 1000 calorie deficit now I still would lose about a half lb a month if that. no joking.
I dont binge,when I do have a day of going over I still should be in a deficit. I stopped eating in a deficit and am losing fat. havent lost weight but have gained a little yet my clothes still fit the same.one pair of my jeans are falling down as I have to keep pulling them up.I dont understand it at all but whatever it is is finally working for me. when I was in a deficit(250 calories) I was still hungry and had no energy.I took diet breaks too.so Im going to just keep doing what Im doing and go from there.its like my body doesnt like deficits.weird I know.
I love how I got woos(im sure they are negative woos) when this is what happened to me. I weigh everything and have weighed everything for more than 3 years. I know its supposed to be CICO but for me something is off and yet none of my tests show anything is wrong. no matter who or what blood tests they do. even on days I was getting more than 13000 steps and working out for 30-60 min. nothing was happening.
you all can say I ate more than I thought I was,or it was me eating more exercise calories back(nope at one point I was eating 1500 calories and not eating any of those exercise calories back at all). still didnt see a budge. and I give it time too. more than a month. my weight loss is so slow even with a big deficit its hard to understand why this is. so if drs or scientist or whatever want to come pay me for studying me they can contact meI would be willing to prove that Im an oddball for sure.12 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Barring any medical issues, There is no possible way you are not losing if you are indeed eating 1400 cals a day. Top things I’d check are oils used in cooking and your portion sizes.
I know at one point I wasnt losing anything eating 1400(and less) and I have been weighing(my food) for the last 3+ years.they cant find any reason why I should not be losing weight. thyroid is fine, hormone levels fine,no deficiencies,. nada. one summer I helped hubby tear down a house and we were active pretty much all day. I weighed and counted all my food and was in a deficit of more than 1000 calories. we did that for a few weeks(its time consuming if you want to do it the right way) not to mention the big hill we had to walk up and down). I lost NO weight what so ever. even if I were to eat in a 1000 calorie deficit now I still would lose about a half lb a month if that. no joking.
I dont binge,when I do have a day of going over I still should be in a deficit. I stopped eating in a deficit and am losing fat. havent lost weight but have gained a little yet my clothes still fit the same.one pair of my jeans are falling down as I have to keep pulling them up.I dont understand it at all but whatever it is is finally working for me. when I was in a deficit(250 calories) I was still hungry and had no energy.I took diet breaks too.so Im going to just keep doing what Im doing and go from there.its like my body doesnt like deficits.weird I know.
I love how I got woos(im sure they are negative woos) when this is what happened to me. I weigh everything and have weighed everything for more than 3 years. I know its supposed to be CICO but for me something is off and yet none of my tests show anything is wrong. no matter who or what blood tests they do. even on days I was getting more than 13000 steps and working out for 30-60 min. nothing was happening.
you all can say I ate more than I thought I was,or it was me eating more exercise calories back(nope at one point I was eating 1500 calories and not eating any of those exercise calories back at all). still didnt see a budge. and I give it time too. more than a month. my weight loss is so slow even with a big deficit its hard to understand why this is. so if drs or scientist or whatever want to come pay me for studying me they can contact meI would be willing to prove that Im an oddball for sure.
There seem to be quite a few people around here whose bodies inexplicably defy the laws of thermodynamics. I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting to get contacted by a scientist to study you though, because anyone who is fact based knows that weight loss requires a calorie deficit. If you weren't losing weight over a three year span, then you weren't in a calorie deficit. It really is as simple as that whether you choose to believe it or not.9 -
Get your hormones checked to see if there's a health issue. An AVERAGE male should easily eat 1400 calories and lose weight. Even if he only weighed 180lbs.
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Barring any medical issues, There is no possible way you are not losing if you are indeed eating 1400 cals a day. Top things I’d check are oils used in cooking and your portion sizes.
I know at one point I wasnt losing anything eating 1400(and less) and I have been weighing(my food) for the last 3+ years.they cant find any reason why I should not be losing weight. thyroid is fine, hormone levels fine,no deficiencies,. nada. one summer I helped hubby tear down a house and we were active pretty much all day. I weighed and counted all my food and was in a deficit of more than 1000 calories. we did that for a few weeks(its time consuming if you want to do it the right way) not to mention the big hill we had to walk up and down). I lost NO weight what so ever. even if I were to eat in a 1000 calorie deficit now I still would lose about a half lb a month if that. no joking.
I dont binge,when I do have a day of going over I still should be in a deficit. I stopped eating in a deficit and am losing fat. havent lost weight but have gained a little yet my clothes still fit the same.one pair of my jeans are falling down as I have to keep pulling them up.I dont understand it at all but whatever it is is finally working for me. when I was in a deficit(250 calories) I was still hungry and had no energy.I took diet breaks too.so Im going to just keep doing what Im doing and go from there.its like my body doesnt like deficits.weird I know.
I love how I got woos(im sure they are negative woos) when this is what happened to me. I weigh everything and have weighed everything for more than 3 years. I know its supposed to be CICO but for me something is off and yet none of my tests show anything is wrong. no matter who or what blood tests they do. even on days I was getting more than 13000 steps and working out for 30-60 min. nothing was happening.
you all can say I ate more than I thought I was,or it was me eating more exercise calories back(nope at one point I was eating 1500 calories and not eating any of those exercise calories back at all). still didnt see a budge. and I give it time too. more than a month. my weight loss is so slow even with a big deficit its hard to understand why this is. so if drs or scientist or whatever want to come pay me for studying me they can contact meI would be willing to prove that Im an oddball for sure.
But OP isn't eating as little as he claims, so CICO applies to him....7 -
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