My December 2018 IF feeding window
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12/4/2018
Start: 3:50 pm
Finish: 5:05 pm
Elapsed time: 1 hour 15 minutes.
So, one meal and no snacks. Didn’t plan this, busy today and no workout. Tomorrow’s window will be longer.3 -
pinggolfer96 wrote: »pierinifitness wrote: »It’s obvious some here have no interest about one person’s IF feeding window but there are others here curious. Tis the nature of discussion forums. Snide posts noted and ignored.
ESP considering there is nothing directly special or advantageous with IF...
I don't get why they need to post their eating window for all to see. I could understand maybe putting how you're doing with your IF, but don't really get the point of posting your eating window everyday.
I don't really do IF, but I have found that trying to push back my first meal/snack to at least 11 (mostly for days I work 7-4) or anywhere from 11-1 (when I take my first break other days) helps me not want to binge from eating way too early in the morning.
Now on my days off I'll usually eat my first snack (usually a protein bar) anywhere from 9-11 in the morning whenever I get hungry.3 -
Seems like there’s sufficient dissatisfaction with my posts so I’ll cease. In my brief time here, I’ve read several posts from others who are IF curious. It was for the curious that I started this topic. My apologies to anyone offended. Now go find something else to be offended about.10
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pierinifitness wrote: »Seems like there’s sufficient dissatisfaction with my posts so I’ll cease. In my brief time here, I’ve read several posts from others who are IF curious. It was for the curious that I started this topic. My apologies to anyone offended. Now go find something else to be offended about.
Not sure why some are compelled to land and comment in a thread that is very clearly labeled. If it was something more mysterious like "My Experiment" I could why some would be offended. Anyway wish you continued success with IF. With an upcoming trip and holidays I may push my journey into IF off until January. Good luck!7 -
To say there is nothing special about IF or that it is no different than calorie restriction is not at face value correct. From what I have read generally speaking there are different ways of doing IF. There is a shortened feeding time window which may mean missing a meal or fitting three meals into a narrow window. Kind of like when a typical eating pattern was three squares with no snacks in between. Then there is IF that moves all feeding into one meal or a 24 hour fast. Lastly there is longer fasts that can go from one to several days. All of these will have some effect on insulin levels and longer fasts can also help reset your insulin level for those who are insulin resistant. It also does not seem to cause a drop metabolizm that caloric restriction does over time. Some of this is hypothesis so there may much to learn about IF. It is another WOE that can be explored if one desires. IF to may offer benefits beyond what I have mentioned here and has seen some success in treating obesity patients.15
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To say there is nothing special about IF or that it is no different than calorie restriction is not at face value correct. From what I have read generally speaking there are different ways of doing IF. There is a shortened feeding time window which may mean missing a meal or fitting three meals into a narrow window. Kind of like when a typical eating pattern was three squares with no snacks in between. Then there is IF that moves all feeding into one meal or a 24 hour fast. Lastly there is longer fasts that can go from one to several days. All of these will have some effect on insulin levels and longer fasts can also help reset your insulin level for those who are insulin resistant. It also does not seem to cause a drop metabolizm that caloric restriction does over time. Some of this is hypothesis so there may much to learn about IF. It is another WOE that can be explored if one desires. IF to may offer benefits beyond what I have mentioned here and has seen some success in treating obesity patients.
People jump on IF because there is, very generally speaking, a strong belief that there is some significant impact beyond basic energy balance (CICO). For the vast majority of the population, that is simply not true. Can it be meaningful for some people in some situations that fall into certain circumstances? Sure. But those conditions and those specifics and that context is rarely discussed here, never mind actually being applicable/relevant to the individual discussing IF.
And that's where the disconnect happens... and that's why people jump on IF. As a basic diet, it is no different than anything else. If you happen to be one of the extreme minority whom may benefit from certain aspects of IF, then that's fine... but you need to be very clear that you are AND very clear about what aspects you're targeting relative to IF.5 -
There is a small but supportive OMAD (one meal a day) MFP group that you may want to check out. An IF group too. They may have advice and better support for you.
I do IF because I like how it makes me feel and it may help with some of my health issues. My feeding window is generally not smaller than 4 hours just because I don't enjoy eating that much at once - I am at maintenance and not trying to create a calorie deficit anymore.
Good luck.0 -
pierinifitness wrote: »Seems like there’s sufficient dissatisfaction with my posts so I’ll cease. In my brief time here, I’ve read several posts from others who are IF curious. It was for the curious that I started this topic. My apologies to anyone offended. Now go find something else to be offended about.
I don't think anyone wanted to stop you from talking about YOUR IF experience, but I know I'm confused how giving a feeding window of x hours and masticating for y minutes gives useful information about IF in general.8 -
To say there is nothing special about IF or that it is no different than calorie restriction is not at face value correct. From what I have read generally speaking there are different ways of doing IF. There is a shortened feeding time window which may mean missing a meal or fitting three meals into a narrow window. Kind of like when a typical eating pattern was three squares with no snacks in between. Then there is IF that moves all feeding into one meal or a 24 hour fast. Lastly there is longer fasts that can go from one to several days. All of these will have some effect on insulin levels and longer fasts can also help reset your insulin level for those who are insulin resistant. It also does not seem to cause a drop metabolizm that caloric restriction does over time. Some of this is hypothesis so there may much to learn about IF. It is another WOE that can be explored if one desires. IF to may offer benefits beyond what I have mentioned here and has seen some success in treating obesity patients.
IF itself does not directly promote and body composition or physiological changes. its due to a caloric deficit where people see "results" from IF....not IF. you can gain or lose weight practicing it. its a preference / scheduled way of eating.6 -
pinggolfer96 wrote: »To say there is nothing special about IF or that it is no different than calorie restriction is not at face value correct. From what I have read generally speaking there are different ways of doing IF. There is a shortened feeding time window which may mean missing a meal or fitting three meals into a narrow window. Kind of like when a typical eating pattern was three squares with no snacks in between. Then there is IF that moves all feeding into one meal or a 24 hour fast. Lastly there is longer fasts that can go from one to several days. All of these will have some effect on insulin levels and longer fasts can also help reset your insulin level for those who are insulin resistant. It also does not seem to cause a drop metabolizm that caloric restriction does over time. Some of this is hypothesis so there may much to learn about IF. It is another WOE that can be explored if one desires. IF to may offer benefits beyond what I have mentioned here and has seen some success in treating obesity patients.
IF itself does not directly promote and body composition or physiological changes. its due to a caloric deficit where people see "results" from IF....not IF. you can gain or lose weight practicing it. its a preference / scheduled way of eating.
We get it... You don't like IF.
We also get that IF is just a tool, one of many tools, a person might choose to use/follow to help manage their intake.
We also also get that the degree to which they are able to manage their intake over time determines success.
Can we move on now?6 -
pinggolfer96 wrote: »To say there is nothing special about IF or that it is no different than calorie restriction is not at face value correct. From what I have read generally speaking there are different ways of doing IF. There is a shortened feeding time window which may mean missing a meal or fitting three meals into a narrow window. Kind of like when a typical eating pattern was three squares with no snacks in between. Then there is IF that moves all feeding into one meal or a 24 hour fast. Lastly there is longer fasts that can go from one to several days. All of these will have some effect on insulin levels and longer fasts can also help reset your insulin level for those who are insulin resistant. It also does not seem to cause a drop metabolizm that caloric restriction does over time. Some of this is hypothesis so there may much to learn about IF. It is another WOE that can be explored if one desires. IF to may offer benefits beyond what I have mentioned here and has seen some success in treating obesity patients.
IF itself does not directly promote and body composition or physiological changes. its due to a caloric deficit where people see "results" from IF....not IF. you can gain or lose weight practicing it. its a preference / scheduled way of eating.
We get it... You don't like IF.
We also get that IF is just a tool, one of many tools, a person might choose to use/follow to help manage their intake.
We also also get that the degree to which they are able to manage their intake over time determines success.
Can we move on now?
I never said I don’t like IF....how do you know I don’t skip breakfast...? YOU may move on if you’d like....I’ll comment as I wish being that it’s a forum open to opinion where you have no control over what I want to and what I don’t want to write on.....thanks for making that a question and not a statement😊👌🏻5 -
To say there is nothing special about IF or that it is no different than calorie restriction is not at face value correct. From what I have read generally speaking there are different ways of doing IF. There is a shortened feeding time window which may mean missing a meal or fitting three meals into a narrow window. Kind of like when a typical eating pattern was three squares with no snacks in between. Then there is IF that moves all feeding into one meal or a 24 hour fast. Lastly there is longer fasts that can go from one to several days. All of these will have some effect on insulin levels and longer fasts can also help reset your insulin level for those who are insulin resistant. It also does not seem to cause a drop metabolizm that caloric restriction does over time. Some of this is hypothesis so there may much to learn about IF. It is another WOE that can be explored if one desires. IF to may offer benefits beyond what I have mentioned here and has seen some success in treating obesity patients.
Unfortunately part of this is pay-windowed, but the author has a bunch of stuff on IF and has followed all the studies, I recommend:
http://caloriesproper.com/intermittent-fasting-is-homeopathy-level-nothingsauce/
(He believes that there may be something to resetting the circadian clock, so morning focused calories can be helpful (I'm skeptical), but that the idea that a small feeding window is better for you (unless it causes you to restrict calories) is totally unsupported and can be actually problematic.)
Read or not, whatever.3 -
If you assume the only purpose of IF is to regulate weight then that is all you will ever see.5
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If you assume the only purpose of IF is to regulate weight then that is all you will ever see.
Is that to me? That's not at all the limit of what the blogger I linked to (who has "a Ph.D. in Nutritional Biochemistry and Physiology with a focus on obesity, insulin resistance, and circadian biology" and who discusses specific studies and explains why he thinks what he does) is talking about. He's written quite a bit about the various studies and his views.
I don't agree with everything he says -- one reason I read him and linked him is that he challenges my views on some things, like nutrition timing and keto -- but I think he's got interesting and worthwhile things to say. And the claim that IF in and of itself is better for health or does this major things is not supported.3
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