Keto didn't work
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EggsNSteaks wrote: »I love how everyone is thinking that you're doing keto wrong because you haven't lost weight in 10 days. Well, let me tell you something : the scale lies.
There are several factors that determine the number you see on the scale, such as the time of the day, whether you have eaten prior, and how much water you’ve had. People on keto diet who dramatically cut calories lose a significant amount of muscle, which factors into their significant weight loss. Your weight might not plummet like you expect it to, but you might still be burning body fat. Even if the scale doesn’t move much, you are still getting leaner and losing body fat if you're doing the right things. Take notice of the difference in how your clothes fit, how you look in the mirror and pictures, and most importantly how you feel. Trust me, the scale doesn’t determine your progress. Progress pictures are a much better way of determining and benchmarking your success. A picture tells a thousand words and won't lie to you.
And for those who still believe in the calories in/calories out myth in 2018 and don't understand that it's all about hormonal responses, I have no word to discribe the disappointement I have for everyone of you. Please stop trying to help people if you have no idea what you're talking about
Please forgive me for knowing energy is a thing.22 -
1) keto did not keep me full
2) eating at maintenance is not easy peasy. that's why we have so many people returning-including myself.11 -
EggsNSteaks wrote: »I love how everyone is thinking that you're doing keto wrong because you haven't lost weight in 10 days. Well, let me tell you something : the scale lies.
There are several factors that determine the number you see on the scale, such as the time of the day, whether you have eaten prior, and how much water you’ve had. People on keto diet who dramatically cut calories lose a significant amount of muscle, which factors into their significant weight loss. Your weight might not plummet like you expect it to, but you might still be burning body fat. Even if the scale doesn’t move much, you are still getting leaner and losing body fat if you're doing the right things. Take notice of the difference in how your clothes fit, how you look in the mirror and pictures, and most importantly how you feel. Trust me, the scale doesn’t determine your progress. Progress pictures are a much better way of determining and benchmarking your success. A picture tells a thousand words and won't lie to you.
And for those who still believe in the calories in/calories out myth in 2018 and don't understand that it's all about hormonal responses, I have no word to discribe the disappointement I have for everyone of you. Please stop trying to help people if you have no idea what you're talking about
I must be some kind of magical unicorn then...counted calories...lost 40 Lbs pretty easily.18 -
Was this thread started by a troll, 'cause.... well....sure looks like it.5
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Runaroundafieldx2 wrote: »
I think the previous poster should have said to see a Registered Dietician which is not the same as a nutritionist, though the terms tend to be used interchangeably.2 -
Genetics is possibly the reason the Keto diet is not working for you. The Art of Manliness Podcast, featuring Dr. Rhonda Patrick, has a really good explanation on how genetics effects how our bodies respond to diets. In short, some people respond really well to a Keto diet, giving them more energy and great results, while others will gain weight and become sluggish.
https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/genetics-nutrition-rhonda-patrick/
https://www.foundmyfitness.com/genetics13 -
EggsNSteaks wrote: »I love how everyone is thinking that you're doing keto wrong because you haven't lost weight in 10 days. Well, let me tell you something : the scale lies.
There are several factors that determine the number you see on the scale, such as the time of the day, whether you have eaten prior, and how much water you’ve had. People on keto diet who dramatically cut calories lose a significant amount of muscle, which factors into their significant weight loss. Your weight might not plummet like you expect it to, but you might still be burning body fat. Even if the scale doesn’t move much, you are still getting leaner and losing body fat if you're doing the right things. Take notice of the difference in how your clothes fit, how you look in the mirror and pictures, and most importantly how you feel. Trust me, the scale doesn’t determine your progress. Progress pictures are a much better way of determining and benchmarking your success. A picture tells a thousand words and won't lie to you.
And for those who still believe in the calories in/calories out myth in 2018 and don't understand that it's all about hormonal responses, I have no word to discribe the disappointement I have for everyone of you. Please stop trying to help people if you have no idea what you're talking about
well I guess you better get in line behind everyone else that I have disappointed.its a long line so hope you dont mind the wait.16 -
EggsNSteaks wrote: »I love how everyone is thinking that you're doing keto wrong because you haven't lost weight in 10 days. Well, let me tell you something : the scale lies.
There are several factors that determine the number you see on the scale, such as the time of the day, whether you have eaten prior, and how much water you’ve had. People on keto diet who dramatically cut calories lose a significant amount of muscle, which factors into their significant weight loss. Your weight might not plummet like you expect it to, but you might still be burning body fat. Even if the scale doesn’t move much, you are still getting leaner and losing body fat if you're doing the right things. Take notice of the difference in how your clothes fit, how you look in the mirror and pictures, and most importantly how you feel. Trust me, the scale doesn’t determine your progress. Progress pictures are a much better way of determining and benchmarking your success. A picture tells a thousand words and won't lie to you.
And for those who still believe in the calories in/calories out myth in 2018 and don't understand that it's all about hormonal responses, I have no word to discribe the disappointement I have for everyone of you. Please stop trying to help people if you have no idea what you're talking about
Curious - do you believe that people can maintain their current weight while consistently eating in a calorie surplus or deficit?
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EggsNSteaks wrote: »I love how everyone is thinking that you're doing keto wrong because you haven't lost weight in 10 days. Well, let me tell you something : the scale lies.
There are several factors that determine the number you see on the scale, such as the time of the day, whether you have eaten prior, and how much water you’ve had. People on keto diet who dramatically cut calories lose a significant amount of muscle, which factors into their significant weight loss. Your weight might not plummet like you expect it to, but you might still be burning body fat. Even if the scale doesn’t move much, you are still getting leaner and losing body fat if you're doing the right things. Take notice of the difference in how your clothes fit, how you look in the mirror and pictures, and most importantly how you feel. Trust me, the scale doesn’t determine your progress. Progress pictures are a much better way of determining and benchmarking your success. A picture tells a thousand words and won't lie to you.
And for those who still believe in the calories in/calories out myth in 2018 and don't understand that it's all about hormonal responses, I have no word to discribe the disappointement I have for everyone of you. Please stop trying to help people if you have no idea what you're talking about
I would ask you
1) how long have you done keto?
2) what is your net weight loss?
3) can you open your diary so we can see what you are doing to get an idea how it's working for you?
4) what medical condition do you have that caused you to be directed to use the Keto method?
As I said earlier, Keto was designed for people with certain medical conditions. If not directed by a professional to use it, I still have reservations.
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dowhatrightis wrote: »SchrodingersOtherCat wrote: »Keto is just another means to keep in calorific deficit. This has been proved by metabolic ward studies where everything is completely monitored including all calories, sleep & exercise. They show that there is no long term difference between keto & any other calorie deficit system regards weight loss. People do usually have a larger loss in the 1st few weeks but it's water. If it's not working for you then maybe try a different system. Plain calorie counting works fine.
Except that you forget the human aspect: None of us here are in a metabolic ward having our meals handed to us and controlled by someone else. Keto keeps you full and reduces hunger hormones over the long term. Calorie restriction becomes far easier. But you have to eat enough dietary fat to feel satiated, too. For me, I can eat the same number of calories, like 400-500 calories per meal, but I have to hit 70% fat to get the benefit of long lasting saiety. While it is the calorie restriction alone that causes weight loss, any diet that makes restriction of calories over long term easier for a person, seems like a great method. My calories are varying widely- I'm counting without restricting much right now- but I haven't gone over 2400. And that was a day when I did an hour of murder cardio. I went over my maintenance by less than 100 cals. Of course, I'm really heavy, but I know from experience that my appetite shrinks with my body. Been doing keto a few weeks now and I'm 5 lbs from my lowest adult weight. Some of it is water, but not all, because I fit into clothing that I fit into the last time I was at this weight, not doing keto, just regular calorie restriction. I have FAILED at keto before, because I wasn't eating enough fat. You have to be at a calorie deficit, and you have to not be scared of the fat. I know it's hard after being told fat is the devil for years, but it's been worth it to me. And I'm not even saying this is a forever diet. But I am saying this is a diet I'm going to maintain until I'm out of the overweight BMI's. Eating maintenance calories when you're already at a healthy weight no sweat. That's just simple mindfulness and tracking would be more than enough to keep food choices on track. But most of us are gonna need to be in a deficit for MONTHS if not YEARS, and not being hungry when you're constantly getting less food than your body wants you to eat (body always drives you to maintain or gain) is a pretty powerful tool in that.
You missed my point, it was that when you keep all things equal, keto is no more effective for long term weight loss. Metabolic ward studies are one of the few ways to absolutely prove the relative effectiveness of different nutrition styles, I wasn't suggesting anyone actually try to lose weight that way. If keto works to keep your calorie equation in deficit then it's fine to use as a tool but it is not a more effective system in itself, it still only works if it keeps your calorie intake below your expenditure.8 -
EggsNSteaks wrote: »I love how everyone is thinking that you're doing keto wrong because you haven't lost weight in 10 days. Well, let me tell you something : the scale lies.
There are several factors that determine the number you see on the scale, such as the time of the day, whether you have eaten prior, and how much water you’ve had. People on keto diet who dramatically cut calories lose a significant amount of muscle, which factors into their significant weight loss. Your weight might not plummet like you expect it to, but you might still be burning body fat. Even if the scale doesn’t move much, you are still getting leaner and losing body fat if you're doing the right things. Take notice of the difference in how your clothes fit, how you look in the mirror and pictures, and most importantly how you feel. Trust me, the scale doesn’t determine your progress. Progress pictures are a much better way of determining and benchmarking your success. A picture tells a thousand words and won't lie to you.
And for those who still believe in the calories in/calories out myth in 2018 and don't understand that it's all about hormonal responses, I have no word to discribe the disappointement I have for everyone of you. Please stop trying to help people if you have no idea what you're talking about
Nevermind. So not worth it.10 -
Keto worked great for me with ketomist spray that kept my hunger in check. I lost massive amounts in no time flat, about 40 pounds in two months, but as soon as I finished the diet the weight came back on over the next four months. So frustrating. This week I signed up to work with a naturopath who will look at many factors, my gut health, my dna with insulin resistance, etc. to help me find a permanent solution. I don't want to be on a diet for my whole life like my Mom. I want to understand my body better and know what patterns of eating and exercising are right for me to live long and healthy. I wish the same for you.19
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EggsNSteaks wrote: »I love how everyone is thinking that you're doing keto wrong because you haven't lost weight in 10 days. Well, let me tell you something : the scale lies.
There are several factors that determine the number you see on the scale, such as the time of the day, whether you have eaten prior, and how much water you’ve had. People on keto diet who dramatically cut calories lose a significant amount of muscle, which factors into their significant weight loss. Your weight might not plummet like you expect it to, but you might still be burning body fat. Even if the scale doesn’t move much, you are still getting leaner and losing body fat if you're doing the right things. Take notice of the difference in how your clothes fit, how you look in the mirror and pictures, and most importantly how you feel. Trust me, the scale doesn’t determine your progress. Progress pictures are a much better way of determining and benchmarking your success. A picture tells a thousand words and won't lie to you.
And for those who still believe in the calories in/calories out myth in 2018 and don't understand that it's all about hormonal responses, I have no word to discribe the disappointement I have for everyone of you. Please stop trying to help people if you have no idea what you're talking about
You're right, I only lost 130 pounds following the myth of calories in<calories out. Silly me.25 -
allisonhamaker wrote: »Keto worked great for me with ketomist spray that kept my hunger in check. I lost massive amounts in no time flat, about 40 pounds in two months, but as soon as I finished the diet the weight came back on over the next four months. So frustrating. This week I signed up to work with a naturopath who will look at many factors, my gut health, my dna with insulin resistance, etc. to help me find a permanent solution. I don't want to be on a diet for my whole life like my Mom. I want to understand my body better and know what patterns of eating and exercising are right for me to live long and healthy. I wish the same for you.
Have you considered just counting calories? It is the easiest plan of all and it is free here. With the money you save, you can buy a whole new wardrobe.21 -
allisonhamaker wrote: »Keto worked great for me with ketomist spray that kept my hunger in check. I lost massive amounts in no time flat, about 40 pounds in two months, but as soon as I finished the diet the weight came back on over the next four months. So frustrating. This week I signed up to work with a naturopath who will look at many factors, my gut health, my dna with insulin resistance, etc. to help me find a permanent solution. I don't want to be on a diet for my whole life like my Mom. I want to understand my body better and know what patterns of eating and exercising are right for me to live long and healthy. I wish the same for you.
Had never heard of it, so I looked it up. It's HCG. No bueno.
Please, Allison, reconsider going to that naturopath. I see a lot more scams in your future if you go this route. Like unnecessary, bogus and expensive 'lab tests' with 'results' that will 'prove' you have all sorts of imaginary and non-medical 'gut health' issues/allergies for which only the naturopath knows the cure.
Please run. Fast and far away.
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allisonhamaker wrote: »Keto worked great for me with ketomist spray that kept my hunger in check. I lost massive amounts in no time flat, about 40 pounds in two months, but as soon as I finished the diet the weight came back on over the next four months. So frustrating. This week I signed up to work with a naturopath who will look at many factors, my gut health, my dna with insulin resistance, etc. to help me find a permanent solution. I don't want to be on a diet for my whole life like my Mom. I want to understand my body better and know what patterns of eating and exercising are right for me to live long and healthy. I wish the same for you.
I'd consider going to a dietitian. I would never trust a naturopath.
How did they even test your gut health or your DNA?
Either way, if you are insulin resistant (like confirmed via blood test), than controllijg carbs will be your ideal situation. It doesn't have to be a starvation style diet or even keto, but low carb is ideal.17 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »EggsNSteaks wrote: »I love how everyone is thinking that you're doing keto wrong because you haven't lost weight in 10 days. Well, let me tell you something : the scale lies.
There are several factors that determine the number you see on the scale, such as the time of the day, whether you have eaten prior, and how much water you’ve had. People on keto diet who dramatically cut calories lose a significant amount of muscle, which factors into their significant weight loss. Your weight might not plummet like you expect it to, but you might still be burning body fat. Even if the scale doesn’t move much, you are still getting leaner and losing body fat if you're doing the right things. Take notice of the difference in how your clothes fit, how you look in the mirror and pictures, and most importantly how you feel. Trust me, the scale doesn’t determine your progress. Progress pictures are a much better way of determining and benchmarking your success. A picture tells a thousand words and won't lie to you.
And for those who still believe in the calories in/calories out myth in 2018 and don't understand that it's all about hormonal responses, I have no word to discribe the disappointement I have for everyone of you. Please stop trying to help people if you have no idea what you're talking about
I must be some kind of magical unicorn then...counted calories...lost 40 Lbs pretty easily.
Same here. I must've done it wrong.11 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »EggsNSteaks wrote: »I love how everyone is thinking that you're doing keto wrong because you haven't lost weight in 10 days. Well, let me tell you something : the scale lies.
There are several factors that determine the number you see on the scale, such as the time of the day, whether you have eaten prior, and how much water you’ve had. People on keto diet who dramatically cut calories lose a significant amount of muscle, which factors into their significant weight loss. Your weight might not plummet like you expect it to, but you might still be burning body fat. Even if the scale doesn’t move much, you are still getting leaner and losing body fat if you're doing the right things. Take notice of the difference in how your clothes fit, how you look in the mirror and pictures, and most importantly how you feel. Trust me, the scale doesn’t determine your progress. Progress pictures are a much better way of determining and benchmarking your success. A picture tells a thousand words and won't lie to you.
And for those who still believe in the calories in/calories out myth in 2018 and don't understand that it's all about hormonal responses, I have no word to discribe the disappointement I have for everyone of you. Please stop trying to help people if you have no idea what you're talking about
Nevermind. So not worth it.
Yeah, I keep asking about weight maintenance in a surplus or deficient, so far nobody has ever come back with an answer. So I suppose there's my answer.7 -
Different things for different people. What ever drives compliance and satiety will work. According to this study that I posted in another thread, all macro breakdowns are equally effective for weight/fat loss with energy restriction. No one has an advantage over another.This is a 2 year study of over 800 participants.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2763382/?fbclid=IwAR1DFikPeiksul4Px_xeejVyrzqg-fyxUC-BlOm7GpJdlvj04JCl4fiJXo8
CONCLUSIONS
Reduced-calorie diets result in clinically meaningful weight loss regardless of which macronutrients they emphasize.10 -
I do a lower fat version of keto (30-70 grams of fat/day; carbs at less than 20 grams) and have lost 87 pounds in 14 months. It's all about CICO in the end (calories in vs. calories out), but keto helps me with hunger (I am almost never hungry, even at an aggressive calorie deficit) and also with sugar cravings (which have disappeared almost entirely). I was a terrible carb addict. I do track my foods religiously - but that only takes 10 minutes a day. I also exercise 4-5 times per week (cardio + strength training). If keto fits your lifestyle, it is a good option....but in the end it comes down to calories.9
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Without knowing exactly what your circumstances and what your approach has been, it's almost impossible to suggest why it may not be working for you. For example, how much weight you have to lose, whether you've tested to see if you're in ketosis, if you're eating at a calorie deficit, whether you have health problems, etc, etc. All these are relevant.
However, as many others have said, the simple advice is track your macros, and make sure you're eating at a moderate calorie deficit. So long as you're doing these things - don't pay too much attention to the scale. (I don't weigh myself more than once per month as the water fluctuations on keto can be significant.)
Finally, if you're unsure of what your macros should be, try Googling for the Ruled.me Keto Calculator.0 -
if you've been doing keto and your not losing weight, your doing it wrong.
Ket is all about extreme diet, ive done it before and if you do it right it gives amazing results. I've noticed however when you do not follow it strictly, it tends to lose a lot of it's effectiveness.
If you can post here what you ate during that time (honestly), and how much people can give advice19 -
ThierryVerhaegen wrote: »if you've been doing keto and your not losing weight, your doing it wrong.
Ket is all about extreme diet, ive done it before and if you do it right it gives amazing results. I've noticed however when you do not follow it strictly, it tends to lose a lot of it's effectiveness.
If you can post here what you ate during that time (honestly), and how much people can give advice
This doesn't make sense, as we know it is possible for people to maintain their weight or even gain weight on a ketogenic diet. Weight loss is created by a calorie deficit and not everyone doing keto is in one.
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ThierryVerhaegen wrote: »if you've been doing keto and your not losing weight, your doing it wrong.
Ket is all about extreme diet, ive done it before and if you do it right it gives amazing results. I've noticed however when you do not follow it strictly, it tends to lose a lot of it's effectiveness.
If you can post here what you ate during that time (honestly), and how much people can give advice
Along with what @janejellyroll said, if a person doesn't "follow it strictly" by going over on their carbs some days, they are likely to experience large water weight swings that can give the impression that it's not working. Actually, if a person is in a calorie deficit, they are still losing fat, but it is being masked by big shifts in water weight. Each gram of carbs holds something like 3g of water, so when you slash your carbs, you lose a lot of extra water, and when you have a sudden spike in carbs, you have a sudden spike in water. This is why many on a low-carb diet are under the impression that carbs make them fat- because the scale responds rather aggressively when they increase their carbs.11 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »allisonhamaker wrote: »Keto worked great for me with ketomist spray that kept my hunger in check. I lost massive amounts in no time flat, about 40 pounds in two months, but as soon as I finished the diet the weight came back on over the next four months. So frustrating. This week I signed up to work with a naturopath who will look at many factors, my gut health, my dna with insulin resistance, etc. to help me find a permanent solution. I don't want to be on a diet for my whole life like my Mom. I want to understand my body better and know what patterns of eating and exercising are right for me to live long and healthy. I wish the same for you.
Had never heard of it, so I looked it up. It's HCG. No bueno.
Please, Allison, reconsider going to that naturopath. I see a lot more scams in your future if you go this route. Like unnecessary, bogus and expensive 'lab tests' with 'results' that will 'prove' you have all sorts of imaginary and non-medical 'gut health' issues/allergies for which only the naturopath knows sells the cure.
Please run. Fast and far away.
FIFY
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ThierryVerhaegen wrote: »if you've been doing keto and your not losing weight, your doing it wrong.
Ket is all about extreme diet, ive done it before and if you do it right it gives amazing results. I've noticed however when you do not follow it strictly, it tends to lose a lot of it's effectiveness.
If you can post here what you ate during that time (honestly), and how much people can give advice
Along with what @janejellyroll said, if a person doesn't "follow it strictly" by going over on their carbs some days, they are likely to experience large water weight swings that can give the impression that it's not working. Actually, if a person is in a calorie deficit, they are still losing fat, but it is being masked by big shifts in water weight. Each gram of carbs holds something like 3g of water, so when you slash your carbs, you lose a lot of extra water, and when you have a sudden spike in carbs, you have a sudden spike in water. This is why many on a low-carb diet are under the impression that carbs make them fat- because the scale responds rather aggressively when they increase their carbs.
Yup! Water weight fluctuations =/= fat weight fluctuations.3 -
I thought Keto was this miracle diet, and every time I would yo-yo diet I would go back to it. Then I decided to figure out WHY it worked, so I went through all my old MyFitnessPal diaries from early 2017 when I did it for about 2-3 months I guess.
Surprise surprise, 80% of the time I had 1,000-1,200 calorie days. The occasional 1,300-1,500 calorie day, and maybe one over 1,600 calories. I started at over 250 pounds and was working out a little, so this was an insane deficit.
I ate less, and lost more. What a concept.
*I do understand all the benefits of Keto, don't get me wrong. I totally get why people want to do it. And I would never judge someone for doing it, if it is something you can sustain.. I just couldn't personally. This was just for my own personal curiosity.
Moral of the story, don't listen to people who tell you that you don't have to count calories on Keto.
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ThierryVerhaegen wrote: »if you've been doing keto and your not losing weight, your doing it wrong.
Ket is all about extreme diet, ive done it before and if you do it right it gives amazing results. I've noticed however when you do not follow it strictly, it tends to lose a lot of it's effectiveness.
If you can post here what you ate during that time (honestly), and how much people can give advice
This is part of what I find so objectional about the rhetoric that's used to promote so many named diets. If you achieve the results we promise, we'll take credit for any positive outcomes. If you don't get the results we promise, it's your fault, you're doing it wrong.
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ThierryVerhaegen wrote: »if you've been doing keto and your not losing weight, your doing it wrong.
Ket is all about extreme diet, ive done it before and if you do it right it gives amazing results. I've noticed however when you do not follow it strictly, it tends to lose a lot of it's effectiveness.
If you can post here what you ate during that time (honestly), and how much people can give advice
This is part of what I find so objectional about the rhetoric that's used to promote so many named diets. If you achieve the results we promise, we'll take credit for any positive outcomes. If you don't get the results we promise, it's your fault, you're doing it wrong.
So much this!
What everyone needs to keep in mind *always* is that weight loss is determined solely by eating less calories than you burn in a day, regardless of the method anyone chooses to accomplish that.
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I see many are asking you questions about if you're getting the right nutrition and if you count your calories etc...
I feel your insecurity in Keto, and I used to be where you are. But today I am still following keto, while following these 2 MAJOR important rules.- While on keto -- ONLY eat when you are hungry
- Try to stay below 50g of carbs per day and let those carbs come from healthy foods (e.g. veggies and fruits)
I put point number 1 in bold and italic because... I ate even when I wasn't hungry!
My problem was mental. I thought I was hungry cause "Hey, it's 1pm and I haven't had lunch yet."
Because it was a time when I'm used to eat, I thought I was hungry, cause I'm used to get food that time of day. My "hunger" was not hunger, it was a habit. It was very hard to unlearn this habit. You can PM me if you want details, but the short story is:
If I felt hungry or like chewing on something, I had a cup of broth/bouillon and a bottle of water. If I still felt hungry 30min later, I had a keto friendly meal, where I ate as much as I could. I always had some extra fat (cheese, cream, sauce, butter, etc) to help with the satiety. But NO SNACKS
If I wasn't hungry around regular meal times, I just skipped the meal. I sometimes ended up having weird meal times because I wasn't hungry during regular lunch hour, instead I got hungry at 4 or so. So I had a large meal then instead, and that acted like a late lunch/early dinner.
One of the first things they say when they introduce you to keto (I got introduced via dietdoctor.com) is to only eat when you are hungry.
After being in your situation, but now successfully lose weight with keto, I can't stress that enough. In my case I've ended up doing IF without thinking about it. This probably don't go for most people. But honestly, don't snack, and only eat if you are hungry.12
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