Protein serious mass waste of time
Bobthedog3232
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Due to wanting to build bulk up I decided to give the powered vanilla protein at 1250 calories per 50 grams a go only having 25 g at a time
However it’s post workout so all those calories have sat there and like most high calories went to gut not helping because it’s taken before bed as well helping sore muscles overnight etc
Now it’s been left as have lost some belly fat aren’t sure if should just take it prior not post will change things
However it’s post workout so all those calories have sat there and like most high calories went to gut not helping because it’s taken before bed as well helping sore muscles overnight etc
Now it’s been left as have lost some belly fat aren’t sure if should just take it prior not post will change things
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when you consume your calories does not matter.
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callsitlikeiseeit wrote: »when you consume your calories does not matter.
This. It doesn't make any difference to weight loss/gain if you eat before or after your workout.10 -
you maybe need to look at your overall surplus instead of blaming one particular product on gaining too much fat?15
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forget the protein shakes. Most of them contain a serious amount of crap that your body just doesn't need. If your goal is to build muscle stick with natural sources, fish, chicken, pumpkin seeds, greek yogurt, eggs, beans etc. If you need to get a quick protein intake right after a workout, try fortified milk. Some leading fortified milks have up to 26 grams in one serving. https://organicvalley.coop/products/protein-shakes/organic-fuel/chocolate-organic-fuel-protein-shake/27
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TavistockToad wrote: »you maybe need to look at your overall surplus instead of blaming one particular product on gaining too much fat?
Not to mention what protein is gonna be 1250 cal per 50g. I'm assuming he's actually taking a weight gainer and then wondering why he's packing on unwanted bodyfat.
Dude. Even if you take only half a serving, you're still putting 625 cals into your body on a daily basis that obviously are putting you in a surplus. No one product, regardless of when it is consumed, is going to magically cause you to gain belly fat if your calorie balance is squared away. Similarly, no food/product is going to magically make you gain belly fat simply due to you consuming it at a certain time of day.18 -
I took vitamins the other day... put me 15 cals over maintenance. Damn those vitamins for making me fat...28
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It took me a while to get to the bottom of that sentence. The pic helped clarify my question about where the other 1k calories came from if it only had 50g protein. Carbs, mostly.
I'd rather eat some chicken and then have a milkshake. And not lose my will to live. But I'm not trying to bulk, so it's moot.13 -
Firstly, your ON product is a mass gainer, while your OP is a word salad. What are you trying to achieve?
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what did you think a "serious mass calorie rich" product was going to do ??9
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Muscleflex79 wrote: »what did you think a "serious mass calorie rich" product was going to do ??
you mean protein powder doesn't make muscles?! :grumble:11 -
Lol, to "bulk" up means to add fat along with muscle. The issue isn't your protein powder. It's your surplus calories. And the broscience (taking it for repair) is overkill IF you're getting in enough protein to support growth anyway.
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Old school bro... eggs and peanut butter... the fat in that will definitely put you in. Surplus if you eat enough. Cheaper too. Lol3
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As mentioned, it won't matter when you consume the mass gainer in terms of fat gain.
Take a look at your overall surplus... how much are you gaining per week? What kind of training are you doing? That will determine your overall muslce to fat gain more than anything.1 -
I use that product to fill in gaps when I bulk all the time. I’m 3 months into this current bulk and 210 pounds. I still have abs... it’s not the mass gainer.
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forget the protein shakes. Most of them contain a serious amount of crap that your body just doesn't need. If your goal is to build muscle stick with natural sources, fish, chicken, pumpkin seeds, greek yogurt, eggs, beans etc. If you need to get a quick protein intake right after a workout, try fortified milk. Some leading fortified milks have up to 26 grams in one serving. https://organicvalley.coop/products/protein-shakes/organic-fuel/chocolate-organic-fuel-protein-shake/
"Forget the protein shakes."
...but heres a protein shake with the word organic plastered on it, which must make it way more healthy.
Only a certain percentage of ingredients actually need to be organic for a company to say it is, and some natural pesticides have been shown to be more harmful than synthetic ones. Just some food for thought.10 -
Teabythesea_ wrote: »forget the protein shakes. Most of them contain a serious amount of crap that your body just doesn't need. If your goal is to build muscle stick with natural sources, fish, chicken, pumpkin seeds, greek yogurt, eggs, beans etc. If you need to get a quick protein intake right after a workout, try fortified milk. Some leading fortified milks have up to 26 grams in one serving. https://organicvalley.coop/products/protein-shakes/organic-fuel/chocolate-organic-fuel-protein-shake/
"Forget the protein shakes."
...but heres a protein shake with the word organic plastered on it, which must make it way more healthy.
Only a certain percentage of ingredients actually need to be organic for a company to say it is, and some natural pesticides have been shown to be more harmful than synthetic ones. Just some food for thought.
Truth. Organic is nothing more than a buzzword to get the uninformed to pay more $$$.10 -
Teabythesea_ wrote: »forget the protein shakes. Most of them contain a serious amount of crap that your body just doesn't need. If your goal is to build muscle stick with natural sources, fish, chicken, pumpkin seeds, greek yogurt, eggs, beans etc. If you need to get a quick protein intake right after a workout, try fortified milk. Some leading fortified milks have up to 26 grams in one serving. https://organicvalley.coop/products/protein-shakes/organic-fuel/chocolate-organic-fuel-protein-shake/
"Forget the protein shakes."
...but heres a protein shake with the word organic plastered on it, which must make it way more healthy.
Only a certain percentage of ingredients actually need to be organic for a company to say it is, and some natural pesticides have been shown to be more harmful than synthetic ones. Just some food for thought.
Which natural pesticides (that are approved for organic gardening) have been shown to be more harmful than synthetic ones?6 -
Bobthedog3232 wrote: »Due to wanting to build bulk up I decided to give the powered vanilla protein at 1250 calories per 50 grams a go only having 25 g at a time
However it’s post workout so all those calories have sat there and like most high calories went to gut not helping because it’s taken before bed as well helping sore muscles overnight etc
Now it’s been left as have lost some belly fat aren’t sure if should just take it prior not post will change things
Timing isn't going to affect where in your body fat goes, or how energy you've consumed is used. If you are bulking, some of the weight you gain will be muscle and some fat. Many folks do find they get a little "fluffy" when bulking, that's why they do bulk & cut cycles - first you gain muscle and fat in a bulk, then you cut the excess fat you gained by eating at a deficit.
If you feel like you aren't building muscle as expected, the culprit is either your expectations or your program. Are you following a workout program? How are you tracking your success?2 -
Well three full body workouts kettlebell and barbells Home only no fancy machines
3 x a week
Chin ups pull ups core work in between
Think will stick with powder and just be wary not to exceed 3000 calories a day0 -
Realise this kinda new at this bulking thing spending over a year slimming down so getting fat again in the belly jowl neck face isn’t something appealing
To the wise cracks it’s simply that cannot figure out why it’s post workout not pre surely all those calories are for working out not post2 -
It’s all sitting there then overkill calories1
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Bobthedog3232 wrote: »Realise this kinda new at this bulking thing spending over a year slimming down so getting fat again in the belly jowl neck face isn’t something appealing
To the wise cracks it’s simply that cannot figure out why it’s post workout not pre surely all those calories are for working out not post
You can take it whenever you want. Using it after is fine you are burning calories all day.
You can take it pre-workout although it might be a bit filling and could negatively affect your workout performance. Try it out and see.4 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Teabythesea_ wrote: »forget the protein shakes. Most of them contain a serious amount of crap that your body just doesn't need. If your goal is to build muscle stick with natural sources, fish, chicken, pumpkin seeds, greek yogurt, eggs, beans etc. If you need to get a quick protein intake right after a workout, try fortified milk. Some leading fortified milks have up to 26 grams in one serving. https://organicvalley.coop/products/protein-shakes/organic-fuel/chocolate-organic-fuel-protein-shake/
"Forget the protein shakes."
...but heres a protein shake with the word organic plastered on it, which must make it way more healthy.
Only a certain percentage of ingredients actually need to be organic for a company to say it is, and some natural pesticides have been shown to be more harmful than synthetic ones. Just some food for thought.
Which natural pesticides (that are approved for organic gardening) have been shown to be more harmful than synthetic ones?
Well, I don't think there are approved for organic gardening pesticides, but the FDA has pesticides approved for organic farming. Last I knew Rotenone was still on the organic allowed list - might be off now. If I had to take shots of it or shots of glyphosate, I'd down the glyphosate while wondering what weird situation has me forced to drink pesticides. Not sure of the status of cuprics either at this point, but they were allowed in organic at one point.2 -
Bobthedog3232 wrote: »Realise this kinda new at this bulking thing spending over a year slimming down so getting fat again in the belly jowl neck face isn’t something appealing
To the wise cracks it’s simply that cannot figure out why it’s post workout not pre surely all those calories are for working out not post
Those calories are meant to contribute to your overall calorie surplus for the day. When you take them is irrelevant.9 -
Bobthedog3232 wrote: »It’s all sitting there then overkill calories
It's NOT all sitting there. Your body is constantly digesting food, extracting energy and nutrients, repairing and building muscle and other tissues, burning fat, storing fat, etc - 24 hours a day, even when you sleep.11 -
I hate to do this... but can we please get some punctuation in your posts? It's really hard to follow what you're saying.
But to your post, at least what I think it's saying... your body is always burning calories, not only when you're working out. So the calories most definitely ARE getting used. Your body is in a constant state of repair/use/rest. You're making waaay to big of a deal about timing.10 -
Sorry it’s done via phone app
Get that the body is constantly in repair and that surplus is needed
Thanks for advice0 -
magnusthenerd wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Teabythesea_ wrote: »forget the protein shakes. Most of them contain a serious amount of crap that your body just doesn't need. If your goal is to build muscle stick with natural sources, fish, chicken, pumpkin seeds, greek yogurt, eggs, beans etc. If you need to get a quick protein intake right after a workout, try fortified milk. Some leading fortified milks have up to 26 grams in one serving. https://organicvalley.coop/products/protein-shakes/organic-fuel/chocolate-organic-fuel-protein-shake/
"Forget the protein shakes."
...but heres a protein shake with the word organic plastered on it, which must make it way more healthy.
Only a certain percentage of ingredients actually need to be organic for a company to say it is, and some natural pesticides have been shown to be more harmful than synthetic ones. Just some food for thought.
Which natural pesticides (that are approved for organic gardening) have been shown to be more harmful than synthetic ones?
Well, I don't think there are approved for organic gardening pesticides, but the FDA has pesticides approved for organic farming. Last I knew Rotenone was still on the organic allowed list - might be off now. If I had to take shots of it or shots of glyphosate, I'd down the glyphosate while wondering what weird situation has me forced to drink pesticides. Not sure of the status of cuprics either at this point, but they were allowed in organic at one point.
If you want to discuss further, let's do it in Debate.
https://www.ecowatch.com/pesticides-organic-farming-2292594453.html
...One of the most widely spread myths about organic-approved pesticides is that organic farmers use Rotenone, a broad-spectrum insecticide known for its toxicity. While it has been used in the past, the current reality is that the EPA has banned Rotenone for (farming) use in the U.S, though Lewis says it is still used in some countries that grow organic bananas. "The NOSB [National Organic Standards Board] has passed a recommendation to prohibit it outright. We are awaiting NOP [National Organic Program] action on that."2
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