Maximized Living Advanced Plan - Super Strict Diet

skyblueusa · March 2019

BattyKnitter wrote: »

You don't need to follow a diet to lose weight. Input your data into MyFitnessPal and stick to the amount of calories they give you. Eat what YOU want to eat. I know I could never stick to my calorie allowance without a good amount of carbs.

I agree with you.. I'm happiest when I'm eating a lot of brown rice and potatos as the base of the meal and the other veggies around it. These "carbs are demons" people cause me a lot of anxst.. but they seem to be everywhere.

10 years ago everyone was educated enough to acknowledge that (whether you like it or not) vegan eating high carb is the healthiest.. - I grew up with 2 chinese drs who were both very pro plant based natural eating.

I've never had trouble hitting protein targets with plant based foods, and most of the vegan milks have a LOT more calcium and protein than the animal varieties.

What's more upsetting is that the midwife (who had just met me) told me to avoid carbs

I had my appointment at the OB office yesterday and she told me to avoid carbs..
I didn't ask why as I'm already trying to follow the 'Maximized Living" guidelines which as you can read, are pretty anti carb

FYI the chiros wife has 2 children.. they're around 3 and 5.. she was absolutely morbidly obese after her 2nd child.. I'm talking like twice the size of Rosanne Barr in the 90s.. and apparently due to following Maximized Living Advanced Plan.. she is now thinner than Kate Moss..

I really don't like any of the foods on the list. They say if you love potato, to buy Jicamas and or Khol Rabi and do them in an air fryer the way you would do potato.. Well guess what? I went to 5 grocery stores including Ingles, Kroger, Publix, and none of them had Khol Rabi, and only ONE of them had 2 Jicamas.. 2 only...

I really don't enjoy smoothies without bananas
I don't enjoy life without raw oats
and I like the base of lunch and dinner to be either potato, or brown rice, or wheat grain bread... (all of which are forbidden)

what's more upsetting is when I say this to the chiro his reply is 'if you want those foods, it means you have serious deficits or something is wrong wtih your body'

I'm like 'um no.. they're tasty and eating them is enjoyable.. eating the approved foods is not'

let me see if I can find the approved food list (it's in the link in my first post)

here it is

Vegetables
Arugula, Asparagus, Bamboo Shoots, Bean Sprouts, Bell Peppers (red, yellow, green), Broad beans, Broccoli, Brussel Sprouts, Cabbage, Cassava, Cauliflower, Chives, Celery, Chayote Fruit, Chicory, Coriander, Collard greens, Cucumber, Eggplant, Endive, Fennel, Garlic, Ginger Root, Green Beans, Hearts of Palm, Jicama (raw), Jalapeno Peppers, Kale, Kohlrabi, Lettuce, Mushrooms, Parsley, Mustard Greens, Onions, Radishes, Radicchio, Snap Beans, Snow Peas, Shallots, Spinach, Spaghetti Squash, Summer Squash, Swiss Chard, Tomatoes, Turnip Greens, Watcress, Zucchini

Plant-based Fats & Proteins
Nuts & seeds
Almonds, Cashews, Flaxseeds, Hemp Seeds, Pecans, Pine Nuts, Macadamia, Sesame Seeds, Sunflower, Walnuts

Animal Products (must be organic)
Grass Fed Beef
Fish
Cold water fish: salmon, mahi-mahi, mackerel, halibut
Smaller fish: sardines, anchovies
Eggs

so you can have zhucini pasta, or baked cauli flower.. but there's no dairy so you can't use butter or cheese to flavor if you wanted to (which keto people do)

skyblueusa · March 2019

nutmegoreo wrote: »

If you're wanting a healthy baby, perhaps focus on a nutritionally balanced diet for the duration of the pregnancy. Enough protein, healthy fats, vitamins and minerals. Asking for a referral to a Registered Dietician is a great start. The more common advice I've read regarding weight and pregnancy is to focus on maintaining your weight throughout, rather than losing. Do this only in coordination with your medical team. They are the ones who know your medical history as well as having the training in best practices to support healthy pregnancy.

Yes I have a sister who is 15 years older than me who has been vegan pretty much her entire life
and she had 2 healthy pregnancies..

I prefer vegan protein powders like rice protein or pea proteins..
I do want to see a dietician, but I want one who has good reviews and that's hard to find.
I don't like any diet where people are trying to push meat onto me (Keto.. and this Maximized Living Advanced Plan)

it's odd to me that they demonize high carb health foods like brown rice, quinoa, raw oats
- I don't care if you like meat and cheese.. BUT meat is not a health food. Cheese is not a health food. Chicken is not a health food...

apullum · March 2019

skyblueusa wrote: »

nutmegoreo wrote: »

If you're wanting a healthy baby, perhaps focus on a nutritionally balanced diet for the duration of the pregnancy. Enough protein, healthy fats, vitamins and minerals. Asking for a referral to a Registered Dietician is a great start. The more common advice I've read regarding weight and pregnancy is to focus on maintaining your weight throughout, rather than losing. Do this only in coordination with your medical team. They are the ones who know your medical history as well as having the training in best practices to support healthy pregnancy.

Yes I have a sister who is 15 years older than me who has been vegan pretty much her entire life
and she had 2 healthy pregnancies..

I prefer vegan protein powders like rice protein or pea proteins..
I do want to see a dietician, but I want one who has good reviews and that's hard to find.
I don't like any diet where people are trying to push meat onto me (Keto.. and this Maximized Living Advanced Plan)

it's odd to me that they demonize high carb health foods like brown rice, quinoa, raw oats
- I don't care if you like meat and cheese.. BUT meat is not a health food. Cheese is not a health food. Chicken is not a health food...

Ask your obstetrician for a referral to a registered dietician who specializes in pregnancy nutrition. A "nutritionist" may or may not have any formal training in human nutrition.

MikePTY · March 2019

skyblueusa wrote: »

nutmegoreo wrote: »

If you're wanting a healthy baby, perhaps focus on a nutritionally balanced diet for the duration of the pregnancy. Enough protein, healthy fats, vitamins and minerals. Asking for a referral to a Registered Dietician is a great start. The more common advice I've read regarding weight and pregnancy is to focus on maintaining your weight throughout, rather than losing. Do this only in coordination with your medical team. They are the ones who know your medical history as well as having the training in best practices to support healthy pregnancy.

Yes I have a sister who is 15 years older than me who has been vegan pretty much her entire life
and she had 2 healthy pregnancies..

I prefer vegan protein powders like rice protein or pea proteins..
I do want to see a dietician, but I want one who has good reviews and that's hard to find.
I don't like any diet where people are trying to push meat onto me (Keto.. and this Maximized Living Advanced Plan)

it's odd to me that they demonize high carb health foods like brown rice, quinoa, raw oats
- I don't care if you like meat and cheese.. BUT meat is not a health food. Cheese is not a health food. Chicken is not a health food...

I don't think anyone is doubting that vegans can have healthy pregnancies. They certainly can. But trying to lose weight, especially aggressively, while pregnant is very dangerous. You can maintain or gain and still be vegan.

Veganism is not some special cure all. You can be a healthy vegan or an unhealthy vegan. It all depends on what you eat. Just like you can be a healthy meat eater. I generally don't like dividing foods up into "healthy" or "unhealthy" but meat and fish can absolutely be what is traditionally considered as healthy food. Besides the high protein amount, different meats and seafoods have a whole host of beneficial nutrients.

nutmegoreo · March 2019

skyblueusa wrote: »

nutmegoreo wrote: »

If you're wanting a healthy baby, perhaps focus on a nutritionally balanced diet for the duration of the pregnancy. Enough protein, healthy fats, vitamins and minerals. Asking for a referral to a Registered Dietician is a great start. The more common advice I've read regarding weight and pregnancy is to focus on maintaining your weight throughout, rather than losing. Do this only in coordination with your medical team. They are the ones who know your medical history as well as having the training in best practices to support healthy pregnancy.

Yes I have a sister who is 15 years older than me who has been vegan pretty much her entire life
and she had 2 healthy pregnancies..

I prefer vegan protein powders like rice protein or pea proteins..
I do want to see a dietician, but I want one who has good reviews and that's hard to find.
I don't like any diet where people are trying to push meat onto me (Keto.. and this Maximized Living Advanced Plan)

it's odd to me that they demonize high carb health foods like brown rice, quinoa, raw oats
- I don't care if you like meat and cheese.. BUT meat is not a health food. Cheese is not a health food. Chicken is not a health food...

I'm not clear on what you are wanting from people here. If you don't like the diet the chiro has you on (I have never had a chiro talk diet to me and would stop seeing any one who tried), then stop following it. Follow the diet you will eat, aim for nutritional balance (have you looked at what levels of nutrients are appropriate during pregnancy?). Stop worrying about weight loss while you are trying to grow a healthy human. Insufficient calorie intake while baby is developing is possibly harmful.

No one is saying vegan is unhealthy, it's not inherently healthy or unhealthy, it depends on whether or not nutritional balance is found with whatever diet one chooses (you could theoretically eat all of your calories in Oreos everyday, and while that's still vegan, I'm fairly certain it wouldn't be nutritionally well rounded). I'm not sure where you are finding the RD reviews, but I tend to take those with a grain of salt. It's more common for people who are angry to post a review than for people who are happy to post them.

SueSueDio · March 2019

skyblueusa wrote: »

I really don't enjoy smoothies without bananas
I don't enjoy life without raw oats
and I like the base of lunch and dinner to be either potato, or brown rice, or wheat grain bread... (all of which are forbidden)

what's more upsetting is when I say this to the chiro his reply is 'if you want those foods, it means you have serious deficits or something is wrong wtih your body'

Don't go back to that chiro. I have nothing against them (I love mine!) and a good one can certainly help with a number of complaints - not all of them, at first glance, obviously linked to something being out of place in your spine - but this is just dumb. Stay far away from him, and maybe look into finding another OB as well if the nurse there is equally dumb.

Mslmesq · March 2019

Your only goal right now should be growing a healthy human being. That’s it.

You want a diet? Buy the book ‘What to eat when you are expecting’. That was pretty good. In general, take your prenatal vitamins. Make sure you get enough folic acid and dha. You need extra protein. And follow your doctor’s (meaning your ob) advice on what to eat and what not to eat.

After you’re done growing another human being inside of your body, and hopefully after you’re done breast feeding if you are planning on doing that, then you can try out whatever fukocta crazy crap you want on your poor body. (Albeit, it will probably also be better for the long term health of your child to witness you eating a healthy diet. Like if you simply follow the government’s food guide recommendations, also a pretty good and sensilble diet. 🤷‍♀️

nutmegoreo · March 2019

I just found this linked in another thread. I haven't read through the whole thing, but it looks like a pretty comprehensive discussion on pregnancy and nutrition:

https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10176233/gaining-weight-during-pregnancy-and-losing-it-post-partum/p1

daniwilford · March 2019

[/quote]
seafoods have a whole host of beneficial nutrients.[/quote]

It is advisable to abstain from shell fish while pregnant as mercury levels can be high.
Every medical professional I have ever spoken to, warns against dieting for weight loss during pregnancy. As a diabetic I limit carbs to 60 grams per meal. That is considered healthy for me. If you are worried about gestational diabetes you could limit your carbs to a reasonable amount for diabetics. As your pregnancy progresses your metabolism can speed up. My doctor chewed my butt when I lost weight during pregnancy.

Panini911 · March 2019

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skyblueusa · March 2019

JUST TO BE CLEAR - this "lifestyle eating plan" (they call it) is not restrictive in volume.. its just restrictive in the list of very low carb, very hard to access vegetables.. and almost no fruits (lemons berries and apples are allowed)

My normal diet consists of a lot of high sugar fruits like bananas, rambutans, and lychees, and longans... and grapes

life without lychees is hard enough in the US because you have to track down asian markets, whereas in Australia lychees are at EVERY supermarket..

so yeah.. they don't restrict how much you can eat AT ALL

they tell you just keep eating mroe more more of food on the list

but for example.. i LOVE brocoli with rice.. but I dono't like brocoli on it's own.. i find it bland alone
I love b.sprouts with potato, but I don't like them alone

skyblueusa · March 2019

I like egg and tomato ON TOAST>. not on their own

L1zardQueen · March 2019

So what are you asking exactly?

Panini911 · March 2019

L1zardQueen wrote: »

So what are you asking exactly?

I am also wondering this. tips to magically like this diet of foods she does not like?

magnusthenerd · March 2019

skyblueusa wrote: »

BattyKnitter wrote: »

You don't need to follow a diet to lose weight. Input your data into MyFitnessPal and stick to the amount of calories they give you. Eat what YOU want to eat. I know I could never stick to my calorie allowance without a good amount of carbs.

I've never had trouble hitting protein targets with plant based foods, and most of the vegan milks have a LOT more calcium and protein than the animal varieties.

FYI the chiros wife has 2 children.. they're around 3 and 5.. she was absolutely morbidly obese after her 2nd child.. I'm talking like twice the size of Rosanne Barr in the 90s.. and apparently due to following Maximized Living Advanced Plan.. she is now thinner than Kate Moss..

First, there is a difference to the absorption of plant based calcium, and I don't know about protein in any plant milk being higher. That's relatively minor though, people can certainly be fine on a normal vegan diet.

The chiro's wife example is specious reasoning though. I was morbidly obese almost my entire life. I got under 10% body fat while still eating Snickers, amongst other things. Does it follow that eating Snickers is a necessary or sufficient condition for weight loss?
Plus being thinner than Kate Moss sounds like a problem with her current diet as I imagine Kate Moss has an underweight BMI.

MikePTY · March 2019

skyblueusa wrote: »

JUST TO BE CLEAR - this "lifestyle eating plan" (they call it) is not restrictive in volume.. its just restrictive in the list of very low carb, very hard to access vegetables.. and almost no fruits (lemons berries and apples are allowed)

My normal diet consists of a lot of high sugar fruits like bananas, rambutans, and lychees, and longans... and grapes

life without lychees is hard enough in the US because you have to track down asian markets, whereas in Australia lychees are at EVERY supermarket..

so yeah.. they don't restrict how much you can eat AT ALL

they tell you just keep eating mroe more more of food on the list
but for example.. i LOVE brocoli with rice.. but I dono't like brocoli on it's own.. i find it bland alone
I love b.sprouts with potato, but I don't like them alone

Then what is the point of it exactly?? If anyone loses weight on it, it is because the diet is restrictive in calories. That's how anyone loses weight. Whether eating vegetables or twinkies. They may not set specific volume targets because most people who eat a standard volume of food eat less calories than they burn, but the laws of physics apply to this diet as much as anything else.

rheddmobile · March 2019

daniwilford wrote: »

seafoods have a whole host of beneficial nutrients.[/quote]

It is advisable to abstain from shell fish while pregnant as mercury levels can be high.
Every medical professional I have ever spoken to, warns against dieting for weight loss during pregnancy. As a diabetic I limit carbs to 60 grams per meal. That is considered healthy for me. If you are worried about gestational diabetes you could limit your carbs to a reasonable amount for diabetics. As your pregnancy progresses your metabolism can speed up. My doctor chewed my butt when I lost weight during pregnancy.[/quote]

Just an FYI for any diabetics who might be reading - every diabetic is at a different place in their disease and has a different ability to tolerate carbs. 60g per meal would put my sugars at dangerous levels, the most I can manage with exercise is 45g. And there are some who couldn't handle 45g. The only way to determine individual carb tolerance as a diabetic is through blood sugar testing after meals.

However, the OP hasn't given any explanation as to why her doctors and midwife think she needs to be on a carb restricted diet. OP, do you have family members with a history of diabetes? Any blood work which indicates this may be a problem for you in particular? Or is this just the same advice your team gives to everyone? I would definitely push for an explanation as to why they want you to restrict carbs so severely. I am a full fledged diabetic and I eat quinoa, potatoes, bananas, and rice, although I have to limit the amounts. What you are being advised to do sounds like very low carb dieting, which is certainly not standard advice for a healthy pregnancy.

snickerscharlie · March 2019

OP, I'm unclear as to why, exactly, you want to follow this 'plan' that this chiro is foisting on you if you hate most of the foods on it? If I understand correctly, he's not even your chiropractor, but is somehow connected to a friend of yours?

Please don't get me wrong - I owe my current level of mobility to my amazing chiropractor. But if he ever stepped outside of his area of expertise and tried to talk me into this kind of malarkey while pregnant, I would move heaven and earth to get his licence revoked.

And as well, consider ditching the 'friend' who talked you into joining. He/she does not have your baby's best interests at heart.

peggy_polenta · March 2019

i have no idea what you are looking for here. you continuously bash this diet and are acting like you are in prison or something and have no choice or way out of eating this terrible horrible diet that makes you unhappy that you are following while you are pregnant. every post you make about this diet is negative. you must have also know people's comments towards this diet on this website would be negative. what exactly are you getting at here? i suspect you have a of hidden agenda by posting all this. something seems very off to me.

skyblueusa · March 2019

Savithny, are you talking about the other post I linked? I'm not going to comment on every line in her post, but that's clearly not what the actual plan (which I linked) says

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