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@quiksylver296 Yes. It was great. I marked it as "insightful" thank you.
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@kshama2001 Let's be honest. If you measured yourself in a Dexa and then again 5 minutes later it would produce different results.5
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stryker520 wrote: »@garystrickland357 - as it compares to Dexa and BodPod as well as caliper measurements it is right on the money. I'm certain you are going to argue that they also are not accurate. But how do you know those are not accurate? What tool is accurate then and how do you know it is accurate? Is it just because it reports back what you want it to report back?
Dissection and burning. That's accurate - the platinum standard. All other methods' accuracy is determined in comparison to that.17 -
stryker520 wrote: »@kshama2001 Let's be honest. If you measured yourself in a Dexa and then again 5 minutes later it would produce different results.
Which is what I mentioned in my comment. All devices have a MOE. They will never produce two identical scans. That is why it is for long term trending and not measuring yourself every single day.
But since you admit that the devices all have margins of error, what exactly do scientists and fitness experts need to explain and prove themselves to you about in great detail?19 -
RelCanonical wrote: »MelanieCN77 wrote: »Yes science is wrong but that $60 scale is infallible?
Surely weight scales are tired of being stepped on and shall be the the ones that rise up to lead the robots against the human race in a revolution.
So few people understand how the robot uprising will go down. Most people want to think a robot will resent things based on general human drives - nevermind there are people out there with interesting hobbies. If one was building a robot, it would have a drive to do what it is designed for. If the scales have a robot revolution, it will be not us killed for stepping on them, but crushed under each other as scales pile human after human on themselves, looking to be the one measuring the most people's weight at a time.22 -
@MikePTY The variance. Big difference between margin of error and vast fluctuations.
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magnusthenerd wrote: »RelCanonical wrote: »MelanieCN77 wrote: »Yes science is wrong but that $60 scale is infallible?
Surely weight scales are tired of being stepped on and shall be the the ones that rise up to lead the robots against the human race in a revolution.
So few people understand how the robot uprising will go down. Most people want to think a robot will resent things based on general human drives - nevermind there are people out there with interesting hobbies. If one was building a robot, it would have a drive to do what it is designed for. If the scales have a robot revolution, it will be not us killed for stepping on them, but crushed under each other as scales pile human after human on themselves, looking to be the one measuring the most people's weight at a time.
MARGIN OF ERROR TOO HIGH MUST RE-WEIGH. NO YOU CANNOT LEAVE. FOREVER FOREVER FOREVER.
Yes, that would be dystopically amazing.12 -
stryker520 wrote: »@MikePTY The variance. Big difference between margin of error and vast fluctuations.
Do you genuinely want someone to explain to you the methodology behind what bioimpedance is assessing so you can understand most of the potential sources of variance?20 -
So what brand is this scale?5
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stryker520 wrote: »Until scientists, physicians, and fitness experts can explain this phenomenon in great detail then I will continue to say that they don't have a clue about the human body.
I have a sophisticated scale at home. It measures weight, muscle mass, body fat, water weight and organ weight. It is reliably accurate.
Yesterday I knew I was going out with a friend for dinner and a few cocktails so I "saved" many of my calories until the evening. I didn't over indulge or gorge myself in the least. Split a salad with my friend and half of a small flatbread pizza and 3 drinks over the course of 5 hours.
If it takes 3500 calories to gain 1 pound and alcohol dehydrates you. How is it possible to gain 6 (SIX!!) pounds overnight when muscle mass remained constant and water weight decreased by 2%. This means that I gained 2% body fat and ate over 21,000 of EXTRA calories yesterday. Neither which is possible.
So what we do know is that it is physically impossible to gain 6 lbs of fat overnight. So you know those 6 lbs are not fat, they must be something else. Just thinking about it, it makes sense they could be excess food in your digestive system and water retention.
Those scales measure by sending electricity through your body. I believe it's fairly well established that the pulse tends to only make it through your bottom half, and their accuracy can also depend on where you carry fat, where you tend to retain water, how you stand, your height, etc.
I suspect over the next several days you'll see your weight settle back down. Regardless, the measurement of bf% is really difficult to get an accurate measurement of, barring autopsy I guess. I wouldn't say any method is reliably accurate imho.14 -
stryker520 wrote: »@garystrickland357 - as it compares to Dexa and BodPod as well as caliper measurements it is right on the money. I'm certain you are going to argue that they also are not accurate. But how do you know those are not accurate? What tool is accurate then and how do you know it is accurate? Is it just because it reports back what you want it to report back?
Did you do all three tests same day back to back, day over day for a few weeks to determine this? Not to mention, food in your system and hydration levels do skew the results from those 2 methods as well. Both tell a great story about progress, assuming you track progress at the same time of the day, month, clothing, hydration levels, food out of your system (fasted and have gone #2).6 -
stryker520 wrote: »@MikePTY The variance. Big difference between margin of error and vast fluctuations.
So what do YOU think happened?7 -
RelCanonical wrote: »MelanieCN77 wrote: »Yes science is wrong but that $60 scale is infallible?
Surely weight scales are tired of being stepped on and shall be the the ones that rise up to lead the robots against the human race in a revolution.
No... I think vacume cleaners will rise up first.. their lifes really suck!😅 besides the 3500 calorie "rule" is just a guideline anyways. Reality is that it varies from human to human how many calories it takes to gain a pound. Though, alcohol as we know impedes carb burning. Which as stated above will cause more of the carbs you eat to be stores as glycogen, If my learning is correct. Glycogen storage takes water into the muscles. Add in high salt... and BAM! WATER RETENTION! LOL
Edit*** water can show up as lean mass on bio scales as well as dexa.10 -
stryker520 wrote: »@quiksylver296 Yes. It was great. I marked it as "insightful" thank you.
I'm glad you read it. It is great.
I am confused, if you read the article, that you can't understand now what happened after your night out eating and drinking.
Did the article not answer your question? Never mind. I re-read your OP. The answer is: your scale is not accurate in measuring water weight, muscle mass and organ mass. The only thing a scale can read is your relation to Earth's gravity. Think about it. How can standing on a bit of plastic and metal tell you the muscle mass, organ mass, and water weight in your body? It makes no sense. Bioimpedence scales are woo.24 -
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stryker520 wrote: »@MelanieCN77 Nice try at being sarcastic and unhelpful. For the record the scale was way more than $60.
I think this explains things.12 -
stryker520 wrote: »@MelanieCN77 Nice try at being sarcastic and unhelpful. For the record the scale was way more than $60.
You can't always assume that spending "way more" money is buying you an advantage. Sometimes that is very true. Other times may be buying features that you may not even need and still others you are just paying a larger mark-up.
These scales cannot handle large weight fluctuations and getting the deluxe model doesn't change it. At best they are good for trending.
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My experience, aside from water retention and high sodium in restaurant food is this: even a fairly new scale can go out of whack after working perfectly for some time. It's out of adjustment, losing its battery or whatever. That's my wild guess.4
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Oh and OP,
I think I speak for many people here when I say that the first time your scale does a 5+ pound leap overnight it can be very unsettling. Actually it is always somewhat unsettling but as a person who has been through it about 3 times over the last year it always goes back down.12 -
The lies were printed on the box that the costly scale came in.24
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