Guidance needed!
katechris65
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Hi!
So ive been on mfp for quite some time and I always find great advice lurking through these forums!
I am in need of advice once again!
So a few months back I upped my workouts a bit to prepare for my wedding in april. Weddings over but Im still going strong! I do a little over an hour of cardio 6 days a week followed by 15 or 20 minutes of weights/circuit training. I also understand that calories burned are estimates but I dont think mine are too outrageous...the eliptical has my stats plugged in and I work out really hard with a high resistance.
So up until a month ago, i was eating about 1200 calories and somedays a few hundred exercise calories, some days not. I was losing at a good pace of .5-1lb a week.
Well these days I am simply a bottomless pit with my eating. I am eating the 1200 plus every single exercise calories (knowing damn well they are innacurate to some extent) which usually amounts to me eating anywhere from 1600 up to 2000 calories a day. I feel good otherwise but of course my weight is no longer going down...i was thrilled to see 129 and today im back up to 132.
My question is, if it were you, would you cut back on the cardio? I find it really helps me mentally but i dont want to take steps backward. Im not sure if I am losing inches but I can tell you my clothes are not fitting looser. Thanks for reading!
Stats:
SW: 165
CW: 132
GW: 125 ish
Height: 5 feet 0 inches
And yes, I weigh/measure everything down to my stupid gummi vitamins!!
So ive been on mfp for quite some time and I always find great advice lurking through these forums!
I am in need of advice once again!
So a few months back I upped my workouts a bit to prepare for my wedding in april. Weddings over but Im still going strong! I do a little over an hour of cardio 6 days a week followed by 15 or 20 minutes of weights/circuit training. I also understand that calories burned are estimates but I dont think mine are too outrageous...the eliptical has my stats plugged in and I work out really hard with a high resistance.
So up until a month ago, i was eating about 1200 calories and somedays a few hundred exercise calories, some days not. I was losing at a good pace of .5-1lb a week.
Well these days I am simply a bottomless pit with my eating. I am eating the 1200 plus every single exercise calories (knowing damn well they are innacurate to some extent) which usually amounts to me eating anywhere from 1600 up to 2000 calories a day. I feel good otherwise but of course my weight is no longer going down...i was thrilled to see 129 and today im back up to 132.
My question is, if it were you, would you cut back on the cardio? I find it really helps me mentally but i dont want to take steps backward. Im not sure if I am losing inches but I can tell you my clothes are not fitting looser. Thanks for reading!
Stats:
SW: 165
CW: 132
GW: 125 ish
Height: 5 feet 0 inches
And yes, I weigh/measure everything down to my stupid gummi vitamins!!
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With seven pounds to go it's going to be slow.
Those 2 pounds you see on the scale may or may not be due to exercise/stress/sleep/hydration/salt/menstrual cycle, whatever it may be.
It takes a long time to lose those last few pounds. You'll get there.7 -
cmriverside wrote: »With seven pounds to go it's going to be slow.
Those 2 pounds you see on the scale may or may not be due to exercise/stress/sleep/hydration/salt/menstrual cycle, whatever it may be.
It takes a long time to lose those last few pounds. You'll get there.
I appreciate the response! It has been over a month since i have seen 129. The scales been up and down from 130 to 132. Scared at how much higher its gonna go!?0 -
Any chance you are pregnant?5
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If it was me, I would reduce my food intake, but only a little and keep the exercise since you like it. Do this for several weeks and see what your weight does then adjust again if needed.
The good news is that you may have stumbled on to a rough estimate of your maintenance calories. That weight change from 129 to 132 is just a normal day to day fluctuation.1 -
I mean honestly it’s no wonder you’re a bottomless pit.... you were eating 1200 and doing 1hr + exercise 6 days a week... you weren’t eating enough to properly fill your workout intensity most likely.
Any upward scale shift by a couple of pounds is likely replenished glycogen and the physical weight of more food in your system.
How have your workouts been since eating more? Are you faster? Stronger? How do you feel physically?
It may be worth taking this as a maintenance break and reevaluatating in a few weeks.9 -
I mean honestly it’s no wonder you’re a bottomless pit.... you were eating 1200 and doing 1hr + exercise 6 days a week... you weren’t eating enough to properly fill your workout intensity most likely.
Any upward scale shift by a couple of pounds is likely replenished glycogen and the physical weight of more food in your system.
How have your workouts been since eating more? Are you faster? Stronger? How do you feel physically?
It may be worth taking this as a maintenance break and reevaluatating in a few weeks.
Yes, I feel stronger than ever to be honest! If this routine helped me tone up I'd be ok staying at this weight. Im a few lbs from being 'normal weight' but the way my body is shaped i appear pretty slim.
Thanks for the feedback, very helpful!0 -
Have you considered taking a diet break for 2 weeks? Give yourself a bit of a vacation from the 'going strong' bit you've been doing?2
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ladyreva78 wrote: »Have you considered taking a diet break for 2 weeks? Give yourself a bit of a vacation from the 'going strong' bit you've been doing?
What do you mean by diet break...do you mean counting calories?1 -
katechris65 wrote: »ladyreva78 wrote: »Have you considered taking a diet break for 2 weeks? Give yourself a bit of a vacation from the 'going strong' bit you've been doing?
What do you mean by diet break...do you mean counting calories?
Eating at maintenance for a time period. Giving your body time to adjust to the current weight/size, giving your hormones time to catch up and just plain giving yourself a break from the deficit.
ETA:
This explains some of the reasons:
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10481830/the-diet-break/p1
There's another, longer one, but I can't find it right now.
ETA2:
Found it!
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10604863/of-refeeds-and-diet-breaks/p15 -
katechris65 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »With seven pounds to go it's going to be slow.
Those 2 pounds you see on the scale may or may not be due to exercise/stress/sleep/hydration/salt/menstrual cycle, whatever it may be.
It takes a long time to lose those last few pounds. You'll get there.
I appreciate the response! It has been over a month since i have seen 129. The scales been up and down from 130 to 132. Scared at how much higher its gonna go!?
A few things. I have no idea if any of them apply to you or not, but just some stuff to think about:- I know you said you weigh/measure everything, but just take a sec to do a gut check (I speak from experience!). Do you "forget" to log cheat meals, late night snacks, etc? When you get down to vanity lbs, it can be sneaky little things that get you. Feel free to not even respond to this, just give it some thought.
- Have you considered a diet break? Planning for two weeks of maintenance level calories and higher carbs can help balance out hormones that might be stressed out by long term deficit eating, Check out this post if you're interested: https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10604863/of-refeeds-and-diet-breaks/p1
- Not as structured as a diet break, but it sounds like you are enjoying increasing your fitness right now. There's nothing wrong with deciding to eat at maintenance for now and work on fitness. Then maybe in a few months, get back into a deficit.
- For my last 10 lbs, I saw a full lb come off on the scale just about once per month. When you are looking for 0.5lbs here and there, water weight can easily swing around more than that and make seeing fat loss on the scale frustratingly slow. I posted this some time ago, maybe it can help too: https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10662287/the-goal-is-the-process/p1
Hang in there and congrats at getting to the painfully slow and vague part :drinker:8 -
ladyreva78 wrote: »katechris65 wrote: »ladyreva78 wrote: »Have you considered taking a diet break for 2 weeks? Give yourself a bit of a vacation from the 'going strong' bit you've been doing?
What do you mean by diet break...do you mean counting calories?
Eating at maintenance for a time period. Giving your body time to adjust to the current weight/size, giving your hormones time to catch up and just plain giving yourself a break from the deficit.
ETA:
This explains some of the reasons:
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10481830/the-diet-break/p1
There's another, longer one, but I can't find it right now.
ETA2:
Found it!
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10604863/of-refeeds-and-diet-breaks/p1
I appreciate ya, thank you! I think I will try that. I'm probably arleady eating at maitinence so we shall see.0 -
Luv my gummy vitamins.1
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Oh nelly,
I would work towards gaining more lean muscle mass and cutting back on cardio. Steady state cardio is also one of the most inefficient ways of burning calories because you do not continue burning After the workout is complete and you have to spend so much time working towards something that could be accomplished in half the time with a little effort. Doing some style of HIIT for your cardio sessions could be a great change for your body. As for weight lifting, it will change your body composition, allow you to eat more without gaining due to its higher caloric needs, increase bone density which is important as we age, among so so many other benefits. Along with this change I would advise to look into your macronutrient ratios to make sure that you are fuelling yourself as an athlete seeing as you are training like one. Making sure you have enough will be so important as you can inadvertently put your body into a famine mode if you don’t get enough calories or nutrients.13 -
Oh nelly,
I would work towards gaining more lean muscle mass and cutting back on cardio. Steady state cardio is also one of the most inefficient ways of burning calories because you do not continue burning After the workout is complete and you have to spend so much time working towards something that could be accomplished in half the time with a little effort. Doing some style of HIIT for your cardio sessions could be a great change for your body. As for weight lifting, it will change your body composition, allow you to eat more without gaining due to its higher caloric needs, increase bone density which is important as we age, among so so many other benefits. Along with this change I would advise to look into your macronutrient ratios to make sure that you are fuelling yourself as an athlete seeing as you are training like one. Making sure you have enough will be so important as you can inadvertently put your body into a famine mode if you don’t get enough calories or nutrients.
Bolded: Inaccurate. LISS cardio does have an afterburn (EPOC). It's a smaller percentage than the percentage for (true) HIIT, but most people do LISS for a longer period of time, so more calories are burned during the workout (vs. HIIT which by definition, if true HIIT, can't be sustained for long); a smaller percent of a bigger number of calories yields a higher number of calories worth of afterburn. The crossover point (where the LISS afterburn calories numerically > HIIT afterburn calories varies by exercise type, but typically isn't a very long duration, often on the order of half an hour to 45 minutes).
See, for example:
https://muscleevo.net/afterburn-effect-interval-training/
https://breakingmuscle.com/fitness/the-myth-of-interval-training-and-epoc
Most of what's called HIIT these days doesn't fit the original definition; often it's regular intervals, or some kind of circuit training (both of which are good, valid, training modalities in themselves). HIIT (so called) is trendy, and over-hyped. Traditional HIIT (like classic Tabata) has fitness value, but mainly for athletes wanting to increase VO2max before an event. It can sub for less intense activities as a time-saver now and then, but regular practice isn't all that useful, and can be counterproductive (via increased fatigue and recovery issues).
Endurance cardio burns the most calories (long LISS run, row, bike, etc.), but by definition takes a long time.
Yes, strength training is worth doing for many reasons, and muscle is metabolically more active than fat, but the difference is believed to be on the order of 2-4 more calories burned per day, per pound (of muscle vs. fat). Useful, but minor. Given how long it takes women to build a pound of muscle, especially when not in a calorie surplus, that's not going to be any kind of short-term solution.
Bottom line: I think this sort of thing would be a blind alley for the OP, especially in the short run, since the problem seems to be that she's ravenously hungry and maybe (not certainly) gaining slowly.
OP, I agree with others above: Calorie-wise, take a break, or wait it out, or cut a little from the exercise eat-back (any of those could work). I'm thinking that sticking to 1200 (not fueling exercise) before the last month might have been a stressor, and some people do find that if they increase calories, they temporarily get hungrier (when you'd expect less hungry), so I'd suggest focusing more on the appetite management and eating side of things.
How's your nutrition? Any change there? Are you eating the foods many people find satiating (protein, fats, and fiber are common ones, but it varies by person)? Have your increased calories recently come from foods that tend to stimulate your appetite? Has there been any change in your daily life (non-exercise) activity level? Are you getting enough sleep? Do you see any patterns in your recent hunger (with respect to when they occur in relation to exercise sessions, stress, reduced-sleep nights, or anything)? Are there particulr times you feel most hungry? If so, would tweaking your timing of meals/snacks help? (You don't need to answer all those questions: Just things to think about).
Since you're enjoying your exercise, I don't think you'd want to cut that back (or change it, unless there's something you'd find more fun). The idea that our bodies "get used to an exercise and burn fewer calories doing the same thing" is mostly nonsense (a popular myth that helps the fitness industry make more money by selling us new programs and equipment).
Best wishes!
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emmamcgarity wrote: »
It was mostly tongue and cheek because the OP was recently married.2 -
Oh nelly,
I would work towards gaining more lean muscle mass and cutting back on cardio. Steady state cardio is also one of the most inefficient ways of burning calories because you do not continue burning After the workout is complete and you have to spend so much time working towards something that could be accomplished in half the time with a little effort. Doing some style of HIIT for your cardio sessions could be a great change for your body. As for weight lifting, it will change your body composition, allow you to eat more without gaining due to its higher caloric needs, increase bone density which is important as we age, among so so many other benefits. Along with this change I would advise to look into your macronutrient ratios to make sure that you are fuelling yourself as an athlete seeing as you are training like one. Making sure you have enough will be so important as you can inadvertently put your body into a famine mode if you don’t get enough calories or nutrients.
Bolded: Inaccurate. LISS cardio does have an afterburn (EPOC). It's a smaller percentage than the percentage for (true) HIIT, but most people do LISS for a longer period of time, so more calories are burned during the workout (vs. HIIT which by definition, if true HIIT, can't be sustained for long); a smaller percent of a bigger number of calories yields a higher number of calories worth of afterburn. The crossover point (where the LISS afterburn calories numerically > HIIT afterburn calories varies by exercise type, but typically isn't a very long duration, often on the order of half an hour to 45 minutes).
See, for example:
https://muscleevo.net/afterburn-effect-interval-training/
https://breakingmuscle.com/fitness/the-myth-of-interval-training-and-epoc
Most of what's called HIIT these days doesn't fit the original definition; often it's regular intervals, or some kind of circuit training (both of which are good, valid, training modalities in themselves). HIIT (so called) is trendy, and over-hyped. Traditional HIIT (like classic Tabata) has fitness value, but mainly for athletes wanting to increase VO2max before an event. It can sub for less intense activities as a time-saver now and then, but regular practice isn't all that useful, and can be counterproductive (via increased fatigue and recovery issues).
Endurance cardio burns the most calories (long LISS run, row, bike, etc.), but by definition takes a long time.
Yes, strength training is worth doing for many reasons, and muscle is metabolically more active than fat, but the difference is believed to be on the order of 2-4 more calories burned per day, per pound (of muscle vs. fat). Useful, but minor. Given how long it takes women to build a pound of muscle, especially when not in a calorie surplus, that's not going to be any kind of short-term solution.
Bottom line: I think this sort of thing would be a blind alley for the OP, especially in the short run, since the problem seems to be that she's ravenously hungry and maybe (not certainly) gaining slowly.
OP, I agree with others above: Calorie-wise, take a break, or wait it out, or cut a little from the exercise eat-back (any of those could work). I'm thinking that sticking to 1200 (not fueling exercise) before the last month might have been a stressor, and some people do find that if they increase calories, they temporarily get hungrier (when you'd expect less hungry), so I'd suggest focusing more on the appetite management and eating side of things.
How's your nutrition? Any change there? Are you eating the foods many people find satiating (protein, fats, and fiber are common ones, but it varies by person)? Have your increased calories recently come from foods that tend to stimulate your appetite? Has there been any change in your daily life (non-exercise) activity level? Are you getting enough sleep? Do you see any patterns in your recent hunger (with respect to when they occur in relation to exercise sessions, stress, reduced-sleep nights, or anything)? Are there particulr times you feel most hungry? If so, would tweaking your timing of meals/snacks help? (You don't need to answer all those questions: Just things to think about).
Since you're enjoying your exercise, I don't think you'd want to cut that back (or change it, unless there's something you'd find more fun). The idea that our bodies "get used to an exercise and burn fewer calories doing the same thing" is mostly nonsense (a popular myth that helps the fitness industry make more money by selling us new programs and equipment).
Best wishes!
Thanks for this!!
As far as a change in my eating habits, nothing has changed other than the quantity. I eat small meals and snacks throughout the day (snacks are usually oatmeal, yogurt, kashi /cliff bars, fruit). I have tried eating more fat but still not satisfied so will try upping my protein (i eat too many carbs as it is).
Its so frustrating that im so consistently logging and doing intense work outs just to feel like I'm spinning my wheels. As much as I loved seeing 129 on the scale, I realize I was truly under eating for months.
I appreciate all the helpful insights!
And no, not pregnant. My tubes were tied after the last one (shes 2) and my TOM came and went since I began ripping the door off the fridge. 👍❤5
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