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Folk can knock keto all they want.some just don't like it when something other than CICO works, I can have bacon, fried eggs etc etc loads of mince with spices and chicken and veg a plenty ...no weighing etc and still the weight comes off you and you get thinner .its magic
No, you misunderstand (perhaps because you're invested in it being "magic"). No one is knocking keto, we're pointing out that losing weight is about CICO. That and that the initial drop in weight people often get when being on a ketogenic diet is all water, not actually fat.9 -
Commander_Keen wrote: »It would be interesting to see if someone was able to eat their maintenance calories and drop the carbs and see what happens ...
Studies and meta analyses have been done on comparing diets. Lot's of 'em and some very long term and high participant ones. After a little water weight loss for this doing keto, nothing. All diets work on the same principle based on the first law of thermodynamics.
Here is one example where calories and protein were controlled:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5568065/
Keto is no better or no worse than any other diet. In the final analysis, the best diet is the one you can stick with for the long haul that will sustain you at a healthy body weight. It's all about preference and compliance.
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I'm glad you found what works for you, and that keto makes calorie deficit easier for you. It makes it harder for me because I overeat on it. What I usually don't understand, though, is people saying "I can eat X and lose weight". I can too, and I don't need to do keto to eat anything I want. I have chocolate, fried eggs, kebab, plenty of vegetables, in addition to pizza, pasta, potatoes, beans, ice cream, and anything else I feel like having. I actually had 80 grams of cheese this morning, something keto followers claim is exclusive to their diet.11
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Commander_Keen wrote: »It would be interesting to see if someone was able to eat their maintenance calories and drop the carbs and see what happens ...
Um, you maintain. I have been keto for a long time. I have carb up days here and there but I eat 1800cal/day and I maintain. If I drop it I lose. I need to lose about 20lbs. I was working on just maintaining for a while but it is time to wrap my head around losing again....
I am sure he poster above stated their “magic” reference in regards to the lowered cravings and hunger. But this forum goes off on a tangent if things are not worded perfectly.
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youngmomtaz wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »It would be interesting to see if someone was able to eat their maintenance calories and drop the carbs and see what happens ...
Um, you maintain. I have been keto for a long time. I have carb up days here and there but I eat 1800cal/day and I maintain. If I drop it I lose. I need to lose about 20lbs. I was working on just maintaining for a while but it is time to wrap my head around losing again....
I am sure he poster above stated their “magic” reference in regards to the lowered cravings and hunger. But this forum goes off on a tangent if things are not worded perfectly.
You worded it perfectly, the reference I made.
I was warned earlier in the thread that folk would be very snooty towards keto and sure enough it materialized in some replies.im off to have my fry up19 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »I'm glad you found what works for you, and that keto makes calorie deficit easier for you. It makes it harder for me because I overeat on it. What I usually don't understand, though, is people saying "I can eat X and lose weight". I can too, and I don't need to do keto to eat anything I want. I have chocolate, fried eggs, kebab, plenty of vegetables, in addition to pizza, pasta, potatoes, beans, ice cream, and anything else I feel like having. I actually had 80 grams of cheese this morning, something keto followers claim is exclusive to their diet.
Same. Fat is delicious, at least to me personally it tastes much better than carbs. I could give bagels up for cheese an so on down the list, and be perfectly happy eating that way. I can also overeat this way, I enjoy it too much.
But when I eat that way, I can't get my HR over 160. I'm a cyclist and that's really a big problem. Without carbs, you can't go anaerobic. That means I lose about 40 watts. And that's a non starter.7 -
youngmomtaz wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »It would be interesting to see if someone was able to eat their maintenance calories and drop the carbs and see what happens ...
I am sure he poster above stated their “magic” reference in regards to the lowered cravings and hunger. But this forum goes off on a tangent if things are not worded perfectly.
That's impressive that you alone are able to read the OP's mind, because his use of the word "magic" immediately followed his assertion that "some just don't seem to like it when something other than CICO works", in other words, that something other than eating fewer calories than a person burns will result in weight loss, which truly would be magic. The only debate about words here is whether the OP is using "CICO" and "calorie counting" interchangeably, as has been mentioned.
So OP, maybe you could clarify- is it your intention to say that something other than eating fewer calories than a person burns works for losing weight, or that something other than counting calories works for losing weight? One statement is factually true, one is not.
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youngmomtaz wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »It would be interesting to see if someone was able to eat their maintenance calories and drop the carbs and see what happens ...
I am sure he poster above stated their “magic” reference in regards to the lowered cravings and hunger. But this forum goes off on a tangent if things are not worded perfectly.
That's impressive that you alone are able to read the OP's mind, because his use of the word "magic" immediately followed his assertion that "some just don't seem to like it when something other than CICO works", in other words, that something other than eating fewer calories than a person burns will result in weight loss, which truly would be magic. The only debate about words here is whether the OP is using "CICO" and "calorie counting" interchangeably, as has been mentioned.
So OP, maybe you could clarify- is it your intention to say that something other than eating fewer calories than a person burns works for losing weight, or that something other than counting calories works for losing weight? One statement is factually true, one is not.
No idea what you are on about to be honest.counting calories had me bumbling around 12st 12 for weeks , I go on keto and then boom I'm now at my lowest recorded adult weight within 6 weeks , that to me is impressive. Whether folk like it or not keto for me has had an incredible effect as a "diet" that helps.Keto all the way from now.ive a goal for one more stone to come off and I will be at my BMI target and I'm sure Keto will help get me there and I agree watching calories would eventually do the same.i never count calories on keto, I eat as much as I want and find I'm losing weight faster than ever.great.16 -
youngmomtaz wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »It would be interesting to see if someone was able to eat their maintenance calories and drop the carbs and see what happens ...
I am sure he poster above stated their “magic” reference in regards to the lowered cravings and hunger. But this forum goes off on a tangent if things are not worded perfectly.
That's impressive that you alone are able to read the OP's mind, because his use of the word "magic" immediately followed his assertion that "some just don't seem to like it when something other than CICO works", in other words, that something other than eating fewer calories than a person burns will result in weight loss, which truly would be magic. The only debate about words here is whether the OP is using "CICO" and "calorie counting" interchangeably, as has been mentioned.
So OP, maybe you could clarify- is it your intention to say that something other than eating fewer calories than a person burns works for losing weight, or that something other than counting calories works for losing weight? One statement is factually true, one is not.
No idea what you are on about to be honest.counting calories had me bumbling around 12st 12 for weeks , I go on keto and then boom I'm now at my lowest recorded adult weight within 6 weeks , that to me is impressive. Whether folk like it or not keto for me has had an incredible effect as a "diet" that helps.Keto all the way from now.ive a goal for one more stone to come off and I will be at my BMI target and I'm sure Keto will help get me there and I agree watching calories would eventually do the same.i never count calories on keto, I eat as much as I want and find I'm losing weight faster than ever.great.
I like it fine.
But one more time, for all the kids out there:
CICO is an equation of energy balance. Calories in < calories out = weight loss. Calories in > calories out = weight gain. Calories in = calories out = weight maintenance. It always holds true, regardless of diet.
"Calorie counting" is a practice to ensure one's calories in < calories out. A person doesn't have to count calories to lose weight, as long as they are eating in such a way so as to limit calories. In this case, eating a keto diet is causing the OP to effortlessly take in fewer calories than his body is burning. It may not for others.
OP, congratulations on your success! Do be aware that just as one drops a fair amount of water weight when initially cutting carbs out of their diet, any time you reintroduce those carbs, whether a one time thing or permanently, there will be a corresponding spike on the scale, and there may be some associated bloating. The scientific explanation for this is that each gram of carbs holds roughly 3 grams of water. You cut carbs, you lose all of that water. You increase carbs, you significantly increase your water retention. Don't be discouraged or worry when this happens... it's not fat, it's just your body doing it's job. 24 -
youngmomtaz wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »It would be interesting to see if someone was able to eat their maintenance calories and drop the carbs and see what happens ...
I am sure he poster above stated their “magic” reference in regards to the lowered cravings and hunger. But this forum goes off on a tangent if things are not worded perfectly.
That's impressive that you alone are able to read the OP's mind, because his use of the word "magic" immediately followed his assertion that "some just don't seem to like it when something other than CICO works", in other words, that something other than eating fewer calories than a person burns will result in weight loss, which truly would be magic. The only debate about words here is whether the OP is using "CICO" and "calorie counting" interchangeably, as has been mentioned.
So OP, maybe you could clarify- is it your intention to say that something other than eating fewer calories than a person burns works for losing weight, or that something other than counting calories works for losing weight? One statement is factually true, one is not.
No idea what you are on about to be honest.counting calories had me bumbling around 12st 12 for weeks
And BTW, this statement indicates that you were simply not counting your calories accurately and/or consistently or simply weren't in a deficit at that particular calorie level. There's no shame in that- most of us struggle with that at some point- but it doesn't mean CICO is invalid or that calorie counting isn't an effective tool.19 -
I fully understand the water weight and spikes etc I've been here long enough.10
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youngmomtaz wrote: »Commander_Keen wrote: »It would be interesting to see if someone was able to eat their maintenance calories and drop the carbs and see what happens ...
I am sure he poster above stated their “magic” reference in regards to the lowered cravings and hunger. But this forum goes off on a tangent if things are not worded perfectly.
That's impressive that you alone are able to read the OP's mind, because his use of the word "magic" immediately followed his assertion that "some just don't seem to like it when something other than CICO works", in other words, that something other than eating fewer calories than a person burns will result in weight loss, which truly would be magic. The only debate about words here is whether the OP is using "CICO" and "calorie counting" interchangeably, as has been mentioned.
So OP, maybe you could clarify- is it your intention to say that something other than eating fewer calories than a person burns works for losing weight, or that something other than counting calories works for losing weight? One statement is factually true, one is not.
i never count calories on keto, I eat as much as I want and find I'm losing weight faster than ever.great.
One last point here. I don't know if you said how long exactly you have been on keto. As has been mentioned, you may be
"eating as much as you want" and that just isn't resulting in you eating as many calories as it does when you are eating other kinds of foods. However, if you are new to keto, you could well be taking in too many calories and still show a significant loss on the scale due to the explanation I gave above. Time will tell. If the loss continues over many weeks, great! If not, it's likely you only lost water weight due to the initial cut in carbs and you will still need to establish how many calories you are taking in.8 -
I fully understand the water weight and spikes etc I've been here long enough.
I did keto, weight dropped. And I’ve managed to maintain going off keto. Idk why people are so “ what’s going to happen when
what what happens when ” it’s not that hard or complicated as people want to make it seem to be.
I’ve lost over 15lbs so far without counting calories. And I never experienced the water weight or weight gain come back due to introducing carbs back into my diet.10 -
I don't think people here are snooty toward keto at all.
I think most non keto eaters feel the same as me - keto is great for those who like it
The pushback only comes when people make unrealistic claims of the " I can eat all I want and still lose" ilk or keto evangelists who seem to think keto is best for everyone.
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I eat kebabs, chocolate, bread, and pies to lose weight. What's your point?13
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Keto is great and I’ve studied the WOE for a year before starting last July!
The problem is most really just do not understand the BENEFITS and that’s totally fine. Whatever works for one person doesn’t mean it’ll work for everyone!
When someone finds something that works for THEM there is absolutely NO harm in posting that! Why not be happy that it works for them instead of bashing that person or complaining? Or pointing out YOUR WOE and telling them how great yours is?
Its about that poster not you. You should more say Glad it’s working!20 -
verybusymomto4 wrote: »Keto is great and I’ve studied the WOE for a year before starting last July!
The problem is most really just do not understand the BENEFITS and that’s totally fine. Whatever works for one person doesn’t mean it’ll work for everyone!
When someone finds something that works for THEM there is absolutely NO harm in posting that! Why not be happy that it works for them instead of bashing that person or complaining? Or pointing out YOUR WOE and telling them how great yours is?
Its about that poster not you. You should more say Glad it’s working!
Exactly.thank you.it was intended as you took it, then out the woodwork come those who cant accept it.
I'm loving Keto.
In answer to previous question...7th week now, I'm not a hardened keto dieter as I do like a vodka , my point was I was stuck for weeks at nearly 13st till I tried keto .I now weigh 12'3 and have lost all my belly fat, 11 lbs of water weight though so the "experts " tell me 😂12
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