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Intermittent Fasting - Is it a good idea?
cheryldumais
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Thought this was well written and wanted to hear others' thoughts on it.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/intermittent-fasting-guide#benefits
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/intermittent-fasting-guide#benefits
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Looks like men should and women shouldn't.
Personally I'm a big fan of anything sustainable. If you like it and you feel healthy and your doctor is cool with it, do it. If it doesn't hit those points its probably a bad idea.11 -
I IF(16:8) I love it ...I do it daily..8
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I'm thinking of trying it as I find I'm hungry all the time. I'm in maintenance but seems like food is all I ever think about. Last night I had a larger than normal dinner and didn't eat anything else. I went to bed without feeling deprived at all. I'm beginning to think all my snacks and little meals are just making it harder to stay on track. We'll see if it makes any difference.14
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I have an issue with it suggesting that IF inherently "causes" weight loss; you still need a caloric deficit. Just because someone skips breakfast doesn't guarantee a deficit.35
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I have an issue with it suggesting that IF inherently "causes" weight loss; you still need a caloric deficit. Just because someone skips breakfast doesn't guarantee a deficit.
The article I suggested made the statement more than once that you still have to take in fewer calories to lose weight I believe. I understand your point though. I'm in maintenance so my goal is more keeping weight off and feeling more satisfied when I do eat.
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I do intermittent fasting because it is helping me break my addiction to food. I have a set time that I can eat, I am now eating for fuel vs taste.
Perhaps one day I will go back to eating normally, but I'm not really a breakfast person anyway.13 -
cheryldumais wrote: »I'm thinking of trying it as I find I'm hungry all the time. I'm in maintenance but seems like food is all I ever think about. Last night I had a larger than normal dinner and didn't eat anything else. I went to bed without feeling deprived at all. I'm beginning to think all my snacks and little meals are just making it harder to stay on track. We'll see if it makes any difference.
I understand what you mean. I recently tested the OMAD waters for 45 consecutive days during Lent 2019, fasting 22 hours each day and then eating during a very small feeding window of 2 hour beginning at sunset. What I discovered is that I enjoy eating big when I eat rather than nibbling all day long with little bitty meals. I went to bed full, slept well and, after a good cup of morning coffee, was good until the following evening when the feeding window opened again.
You'll quickly discover whether it'll work for you.
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pierinifitness wrote: »cheryldumais wrote: »I'm thinking of trying it as I find I'm hungry all the time. I'm in maintenance but seems like food is all I ever think about. Last night I had a larger than normal dinner and didn't eat anything else. I went to bed without feeling deprived at all. I'm beginning to think all my snacks and little meals are just making it harder to stay on track. We'll see if it makes any difference.
I understand what you mean. I recently tested the OMAD waters for 45 consecutive days during Lent 2019, fasting 22 hours each day and then eating during a very small feeding window of 2 hours, until the sun set. What I discovered is that I enjoy eating big when I eat rather than nibbling all day long with little bitty meals. I went to bed full, slept well and, after a good cup of morning coffee, was good until the following evening when the feeding window opened again.
You'll quickly discover whether it'll work for you.
Thanks for sharing that. It's helpful.3 -
I'd much rather have two biggish meals than a bunch of little ones. I do get hungry midday, but I know I'm getting enough food so I have to work through that. Little meals frustrate me.
IF works for me for that reason. I'll have 800 calories in the morning, a couple hundred midday, and 800-1000 a couple hours before bed.6 -
I've had good results in the past with IF and am currently trying it again. For me, it is an easier way to create a calorie deficit as I tend to mindlessly nighttime snack after already hitting my calories and not really even being hungry. Because of having less "feeding times", I get fuller easier with eating bigger meals and am more satisfied and less likely to snack and I do try to make those meals cleaner too. The worst part for me is that I love breakfast, LOVE coffee (with protein shake added to it as a creamer), and I'm an early morning workout person, so those things make it a bit difficult but its got easier over time. I've found that a 16:8 ratio works best for me. I try to stop eating around 6-7 p.m. and fast until 10-11 a.m., so I can technically still have breakfast, just a little later than normal. I also take pre-workout when I do my morning workout routines. I know that technically this probably breaks a fast, but to me the benefits are far more outweighing.6
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cheryldumais wrote: »I have an issue with it suggesting that IF inherently "causes" weight loss; you still need a caloric deficit. Just because someone skips breakfast doesn't guarantee a deficit.
The article I suggested made the statement more than once that you still have to take in fewer calories to lose weight I believe. I understand your point though. I'm in maintenance so my goal is more keeping weight off and feeling more satisfied when I do eat.
I was referring to the bullet list at the beginning where it says "intermittent fasting can help you lose weight and belly fat, without having to consciously restrict calories". That could be easily be misconstrued by a casual reader.
I'm also a firm believer that IF can be helpful in managing calories; anytime I've tried it I've had positive results and better adherence to my calorie deficit but I find it doesn't align with my training and lifestyle needs so it's not sustainable for me. Between weight training early in the morning before work during the week and the frequency of breakfast gatherings with my wife's family the possible benefits are outweighed by detractors personally.2 -
I have an issue with it suggesting that IF inherently "causes" weight loss; you still need a caloric deficit. Just because someone skips breakfast doesn't guarantee a deficit.
I fail to see where the article suggested that IF inherently causes weight loss. What is said was "intermittent fasting can help you lose weight and belly fat, without having to consciously restrict calories." I believe this is a true statement for many who have given IF a fair shot. Having fewer hours to eat can effectively result in eating less without the need to count calories. This was my experience during Lent 2009, the first time I tested the IF waters I didn't count calories. I did during my most recent OMAD experience only because I'm now in disciplined calorie counting mode even in maintenance.
Actually, I lost more weight during Lent 2009 not counting calories than I did during my recent experience.
Now some people here will repeatedly say how they gained weight doing IF which I believe takes binging and mindlessly eating excessively. For those people, they have food issues that IF isn't a tool to address.
My two cents.16 -
When it comes to weight loss, everything boils down to caloric deficit. I've tried 16:8 along with my regular MFP tracking and it has helped me limit my calories, but here is my theory why: breakfast and late night snacks in the typical American diet. Doughnuts, bagels, pancakes at breakfast. Ice cream, cookies, pies at night. For some reason, we typically eat or are tempted by the least healthy, most calorie dense foods at these times.
My worst issue is that even if I eat a healthy breakfast, the carb cravings start back up around 10AM. I think its part of working at a computer all day. So pushing off breakfast helps eliminate the mid morning snack or urge to hit the vending machine before lunch.5 -
16:8 is my natural and preferred way to eat; it's how I ate while gaining and losing weight, and still how I eat while maintaining (going on 7 years). In my case, I still had/have to consciously restrict calories. If I were to eat the portions I actually want to, I would absolutely gain weight regardless of IF.4
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The only way I have found that I lose weight and keep it off is to weigh/measure my food, track my calories and exercise, drink lots of water, and eat a diet that is high in protein and low in sugar. I know I like to eat at night, I also know this is not ideal for weight loss. So, I try to keep my day calories low BUT I also know when I am overly hungry, I over eat. I now sip my coffee until about 9am, then I eat a low sugar yogurt (Two Good™ Greek lowfat Yogurt | Light & Fit®) or 1 ounce of mixed nuts. At 12:30 (my lunch break) I eat a turkey burger patty, fish, or chicken with some veggies ( I use butter on the veggies). Then at 5:30 I eat a big salad (no cheese) with chicken and any dressing (measured) I want. If I'm still hungry, a low sugar protein bar (https://thinkproducts.com/en-us/). I measure and weigh everything so I know what my actual caloric intake is. In between all this I drink water or cold brewed tea I've made with no sweetener (https://www.amazon.com/Stash-Herbal-Decaf-Tea-Sampler/dp/B06XHD8PXD/ref=pd_cp_325_3?pd_rd_w=7pq53&pf_rd_p=ef4dc990-a9ca-4945-ae0b-f8d549198ed6&pf_rd_r=FH836YNZNQCAZPPP44MS&pd_rd_r=cfa6f735-8302-11e9-89d0-b7902472ba38&pd_rd_wg=QAzTb&pd_rd_i=B06XHD8PXD&psc=1&refRID=FH836YNZNQCAZPPP44MS).
On Friday's I eat a donut (work brings them in) and on Saturday's I eat a large portion of whatever I want for dinner (usually takeout). I have lost 30+ lbs in 2 years with not much back sliding. May seem like slow progress to some but again, I have kept it off and it is a lifestyle I can maintain.7 -
cheryldumais wrote: »I'm thinking of trying it as I find I'm hungry all the time. I'm in maintenance but seems like food is all I ever think about. Last night I had a larger than normal dinner and didn't eat anything else. I went to bed without feeling deprived at all. I'm beginning to think all my snacks and little meals are just making it harder to stay on track. We'll see if it makes any difference.
Hungry ALL the time may be a problem - daily time restricted windows often work best when someone is hungrier part of the day and less hungry at other times of the day.
e.g.
Someone like me that can easily skip breakfast without being any more (or less) hungry until later in the day so that I can eat more of my daily allowance at my preferred time of day (big dinner + snack).
I like breakfast but most of the time I don't actually need it.
Personally though I disliked the rigidity of strict 16:8 fasting and it made me less satiated for the same calorie allowance compared to my more natural breakfast optional style of eating.
Worth a try though. As would simply be worth trying different numbers, sizes and timing of your meals. (My wife can save a load of calories by skipping or having a very small lunch.)3 -
I naturally do IF, as the thought of eating food shortly after waking up is personally revolting. I eat around noon and then again in the evening, with an occasional snack in the afternoon. I find this also allows me to have larger meals which keeps me satisfied longer.5
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I eat at 10/2/6. That gives me 16 hours of no food for my gut to rest. Works for me.10
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I think IF is great. But not for me. I get really hungry in the mornings and headachey if I don't eat and it throws off my day. Also I am usually pregnant or breastfeeding so not going to risk it during that time.6
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I like it, been doing for a couple years now. It makes the morning easier. And dont think of it as skipping breakfast, your just breakfasting later 😊9
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I like IF but it just doesn't work for me when I work out in the mornings. I'm not going to get up at 5am, work out, and have nothing to eat until noonish. Just isn't going to happen. If I don't work out in the mornings, skipping breakfast is wonderful. Interesting to read about the adverse effects it can have on women though. (Well, female rats anyway) Never had any issues with fertility or my cycles though.4
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I read that IF can help guys better regulate hormones and also that it can help guys retain muscle mass while losing weight, assuming all else stays the same. I'm a 28 year old athletic 285 pound guy looking to loose some excess fat around my stomach. I'm experimenting with a low carb, restricted calorie, natural foods diet, with IF during the week, but allowing myself a cheat day on the weekend.
I was encouraged today to see that while I typically hover around 285 pounds, today I weighed about 274 pounds. I was shocked because I've been hovering around 285 pounds for awhile now, and that means I technically lost about 11 pounds in about a week. I can't say its IF alone causing this, and personally don't think its the main driver. I did low carb last week and calorie restriction, had three days of cheat meals this past weekend, and then did IF for two days this week with low carb and calorie restriction, and I've had some intense workouts over the past few days. I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing, but the hunger might force me to break the IF routine. If I give up IF, I definitely won't give up low carb, natural eating and trying to restrict calories, except for cheat days.5 -
I like IF but it just doesn't work for me when I work out in the mornings. I'm not going to get up at 5am, work out, and have nothing to eat until noonish. Just isn't going to happen. If I don't work out in the mornings, skipping breakfast is wonderful. Interesting to read about the adverse effects it can have on women though. (Well, female rats anyway) Never had any issues with fertility or my cycles though.
Yeah, I caught that part about women but since I'm old (62). I don't care about infertility, lol. I'm going to try it. Skipped breakfast this morning and had a bit larger lunch and was fine. In fact I'm not running to the kitchen at work looking for a snack today so that's a step in the right direction. Hard to tell just from a day. I'll definately check back in a couple weeks with my progress for anyone who's curious. Sounds to me like lots of folks have already been doing this for a while and I'm just slow getting out of the gate.9 -
cmriverside wrote: »I'd much rather have two biggish meals than a bunch of little ones. I do get hungry midday, but I know I'm getting enough food so I have to work through that. Little meals frustrate me.
IF works for me for that reason. I'll have 800 calories in the morning, a couple hundred midday, and 800-1000 a couple hours before bed.
I'd much rather have 3 decent-sized meals than a bunch of little ones (grazing would make me miserable and I dislike snacking), which is why I tend to break meals up into 3 generally similarly-sized ones (breakfast is a bit smaller than dinner when I'm not on a deficit).
On days when I plan to have a larger dinner (restaurant plans), I commonly skip breakfast and have an early lunch instead, so 2 meals.
I think this gives me benefits pretty similar to the ones people who like IF experience from IF even though quite often I am far from an IF schedule (I eat before I go to work, so before 7, and I cook dinner after I come home, which means I often eat dinner around 9).
I think meal schedules tend to be personal and about what works for people, so especially for those who don't feel hungry in the morning IF can be a great plan. Since I like breakfast and like cooking and eating dinner at home, it doesn't work for me, but I get the appeal as I think it's not that different from my preference for not snacking.4 -
cheryldumais wrote: »I like IF but it just doesn't work for me when I work out in the mornings. I'm not going to get up at 5am, work out, and have nothing to eat until noonish. Just isn't going to happen. If I don't work out in the mornings, skipping breakfast is wonderful. Interesting to read about the adverse effects it can have on women though. (Well, female rats anyway) Never had any issues with fertility or my cycles though.
Yeah, I caught that part about women but since I'm old (62). I don't care about infertility, lol. I'm going to try it. Skipped breakfast this morning and had a bit larger lunch and was fine. In fact I'm not running to the kitchen at work looking for a snack today so that's a step in the right direction. Hard to tell just from a day. I'll definately check back in a couple weeks with my progress for anyone who's curious. Sounds to me like lots of folks have already been doing this for a while and I'm just slow getting out of the gate.
62 IS NOT OLD llol....Ok that's out of my system but I would think @snickerscharlie may have a good word or two.
My personal perspective is that if any WoE is not going to negatively impact you for medical reasons, there's no real reason to not try it if you're curious. If you don't like it, change back.5 -
IF has a lot of benefits aside from weight loss. Well that’s what I’ve read anyway. Personally I just find it easier to eat in an 8 hour window. I’m never hungry in the morning so skipping breakfast is easy for me. But IF is not magic. You still have to maintain a deficit to get results.3
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I find it interesting that for a lot of people IF=skipping breakfast. Breakfast is my favorite meal of the day so when I IF I stop eating by 4, so I skip dinner and the eat-all-the-sweet-snacks-before-bed danger zone. Fasting between 4pm and 7ish the next morning works best for me. I love that I can feel very full midday, make sure I get all my nutrition and cals in, and then forget about food for the rest of the day. I have more time too now that I'm only prepping and cleaning basically 2 meals a day.7
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Hungry_Shopgirl wrote: »I find it interesting that for a lot of people IF=skipping breakfast. Breakfast is my favorite meal of the day so when I IF I stop eating by 4, so I skip dinner and the eat-all-the-sweet-snacks-before-bed danger zone. Fasting between 4pm and 7ish the next morning works best for me. I love that I can feel very full midday, make sure I get all my nutrition and cals in, and then forget about food for the rest of the day. I have more time too now that I'm only prepping and cleaning basically 2 meals a day.
I often skip dinner. You are good.0 -
I think it works for some, but not all. It might work for me, but I know it isn’t sustainable because I’m a food addict and being that hungry just doesn’t work well for me.3
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@Hungry_Shopgirl I work out in the evenings so skipping dinner is not an option for me.0
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